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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: LEDPIG on June 02, 2006, 11:10:59 AM
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What are you guys setting your convergences for on your 38 guns and cannons, also any ideas tips on any other planes Thanks Ledpig:D
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Meh, when I fly something with nose-mounted (or nearly so, 190s) I go a little longer than normal, becuase it doesn't scatter as badly. On a 110 or a 38 I might go out to 400, but most I'm 275-325 or so.
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I use 200 in 109K and 300 worked really nice in FM2. Have not flown 38 since AH1, 300 there. I am bad shot, so i need to go lot closer than 300 to hit anything, mostly d40-100 against fighters, 200 against buffs if in 109K.(not using that Z feature, just default view) Have made few runs in Spit16, default seems to work.
puujiikoo
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Wing-mounted .50 cal I'm usually between 275 and 300.
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Originally posted by LEDPIG
What are you guys setting your convergences for on your 38 guns and cannons, also any ideas tips on any other planes Thanks Ledpig:D
P-38 i'm at 650 since convergence is infinity. The P-47, i'm between 425 and 450.
I'm like Peter North shooting for distance and accuracy.
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Since people are usually running away from me, I use max for cannons and only shorter for .303's :D
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Wolf, the guns in the 38 are not parallel. They DO converge. Just not so badly as wing-mounted guns.
Also, the range you set is where the bullets "fall" to on your gunsight. So if you're shooting at a plane at 250 and your convergence is set to 650, there's a chance your rounds could fly OVER the target on their way to 650 yards' convergence.
That happens more with cannon rounds than 50cal, though. But it does happen.
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Yes, but the convergence is more or less negligable. All hits will still be within a 4 foot cone of dispersion even if u shoot 300 past yr convergence.
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FWIW I set all guns on all planes no matter what type they are or where they are mounted at 300. Set your guns at the range you normally shoot at, not for where they are mounted. I usually shoot at 300ish, and when I get a guy at 300 I want the guns to hit him HARD no matter what I'm flying.
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They may converge in here, but the boresight instructions I had for a P-38 said they do not converge, but instead offer a constant 30 inch circle of fire.
In any event, I set them for 650 in most planes. And certainly in the P-38.
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Savage and Wolfala are correct. There is no real need to adjust the convergence on the P-38 since they are nose mounted guns. And as Savage pointed out, there were no convergence issues with the P-38 in real life.
ack-ack
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There is a problem in AH. When you change the distance for convergence it also changes the verticle "lob" the projectile has to take so it crosses the set convergence distance as it passes horizontal. What that means is, if you have your convergence set for 650 and you aim at a target that is 250 you could shoot above[/b] the target. Try it offline with the .target command and see what I mean.
I still say its pointless to set your convergence past the distance you most often pull the trigger no matter what plane you are in. Set your convergence for killing that immediate threat, not plinking at runners.
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Wing mounts - 250 yards.
Nose mounts - 500 yards.
Works for me.
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I normally set my wing mounted guns around 225-250... in the 38 I have them set for 300... one interesting thing that I did by accident was set the 20mm a little further than the .50's... I'm not sure if this is a good idea or not but I was flying like that for months probably and people seemed to die enough when I actually did hit them.. so I'm just gonna leave it, unless someone can give me a reason not to. :)
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I have everything set to 400 but I believe I have my 262 and 163 set to 300.
What I have seen closer the convergence the less you have to lead on a turn shot. But on a wingmount the closer you have the guns, after that distance the bullets split/crossing then scattering.
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Originally posted by Grits
FWIW I set all guns on all planes no matter what type they are or where they are mounted at 300. Set your guns at the range you normally shoot at, not for where they are mounted. I usually shoot at 300ish, and when I get a guy at 300 I want the guns to hit him HARD no matter what I'm flying.
same here, except set everything to 350 mostly......
Originally posted by Grits
There is a problem in AH. When you change the distance for convergence it also changes the verticle "lob" the projectile has to take so it crosses the set convergence distance as it passes horizontal. What that means is, if you have your convergence set for 650 and you aim at a target that is 250 you could shoot above the target. Try it offline with the .target command and see what I mean.
I still say its pointless to set your convergence past the distance you most often pull the trigger no matter what plane you are in. Set your convergence for killing that immediate threat, not plinking at runners.
agreed as well, one can "in certian planes" learn the mental picture of hitting targets at a longer distance for plinking them and causing them to break or maneuver out of fear;) just takes some gunnery practicing to get accustomed too..
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In the 109s (not including gondies and 109E), Mossie and P-38, I set convergence to 650.
Has a negligible effect on close-in shooting (rounds a little high, but no by much) and lets you really surprise peopel with those 800 yard sniper shots. :t
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Originally posted by Saxman
Wing-mounted .50 cal I'm usually between 275 and 300.
:confused: There is nothing in between :rofl
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am i right in thinking, that setting convergence also sets the vertical convergence on guns... so that setting it to 650 will make you shoot high at close ranges?
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Originally posted by Furball
am i right in thinking, that setting convergence also sets the vertical convergence on guns... so that setting it to 650 will make you shoot high at close ranges?
Yeah, read 7 posts above you Pommie.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Wolf, the guns in the 38 are not parallel. They DO converge. Just not so badly as wing-mounted guns.
Krusty,
The 38's guns are boresighted not to converge, but like Virgil said, all concentrate into a 30" circle, they actually also used to set for dispersion which the manual describes in some detail too for those pliots with "less than" gunnery skills.
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here's my convergencecs
nose mounted gun: 400
wing mounted guns: 175-225
262: 300
163: 300
-68slayr-
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650 yards in the P-38s, and I'm getting about 20% hit rate.
Can't affect close-in shots too awful much. :D
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Krusty,
The 38's guns are boresighted not to converge, but like Virgil said, all concentrate into a 30" circle, they actually also used to set for dispersion which the manual describes in some detail too for those pliots with "less than" gunnery skills.
If you had read the original post you would realize I was talking about inside AH. Inside AH they converge. As do the cowl guns on Fw190s, which in real life were parallel.
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Originally posted by Krusty
If you had read the original post you would realize I was talking about inside AH. Inside AH they converge. As do the cowl guns on Fw190s, which in real life were parallel.
No they do not converge in AH.
ack-ack
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Are you so sure?
I set the convergence to 150 (minimum it would go) then fired a burst at a target 150 yards away. Then set it to 650 yards away and fired another burst.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/858_1149972300_1.jpg)
Red = 150d Green = 640d
EDIT: aside from the random high ones, the green looks to spread out horizontally more than vertically.
EDIT: Hrm.. that might just be "spread".... I didn't try it set to 650 fired at 650....
Never mind, doesn't prove much.
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Okay well I tested it at 150d, 300d, and 650d at both 150d convergence and 650d convergence (even made a graphic, but it's not really needed).
The scattering seems to be the same.
What I THOUGHT was convergence was the random scattering of the bullets when they are fired. When you have tracers on it appears that the rounds cross each other, but for the most part that's the random out-of-whack rounds, not the basic direction the gun is pointing.
So, guess I was wrong on that. The tracers are misleading. Good thing I don't use 'em that often.
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Originally posted by Krusty
If you had read the original post you would realize I was talking about inside AH. Inside AH they converge. As do the cowl guns on Fw190s, which in real life were parallel.
Wolf, the guns in the 38 are not parallel. They DO converge. Just not so badly as wing-mounted guns.
Tell me where that says AH.... All it states is a blanket statement with regards to 38's. You do not state anything with regards to "in AH". As usual, you are playing "all knowing", and are wrong yet again.
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The first post, bodhi, says:
What are you guys setting your convergences for on your 38 guns and cannons, also any ideas tips on any other planes Thanks Ledpi
What the hell do you think he's talking about? I don't care if you are trying to pick a fight with me. This is the last post I'm making on the subject.
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Krusty,
I am not picking anything with you, just tired of your "know-it-all" attitude.
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I set all my US .50s to d600 for all the planes that have them. They have good ballistics and can easily reach out there. This gives me a good distance shot, and a nice spread pattern to chew through multiple sections of a plane at closer ranges. I would get more punch close in if I didn't do this, but it does make it easier to land hits. I set my guns on my P38 to the same, if nothing else to keep my vertical aim point constant. Still, with the guns packed together it will rip a gorge out of targeted aircraft.
I use the .50s for pecking, harrassing and splattering, and I use the cannon mostly only when I get close in with a good shot. Saves the ammo and gives you that added punch up and personal like. I still set the cannon to d600 as well to make sure that this verticle alignment is the same as the machineguns (which if I'm firing the cannon are already blazing happily). At closer ranges there really is no spread anyway, so the pattern for the .50s is tight and the cannon will not differ much till you get out past at least d400. The US cannons do fly well though (or are those british hispano or whatever?). I wouldnt be afraid to take a cannon shot out to d600 at something large and or slow&low.
All that being said, I should still probably experiment with the convergence in non nose armed ships and pull it in a little. 68Slayer gets a hell of a lot of kills, and I would highly reccomend taking his settings under close advisement. Settle on whatever is most comfortable to you, or most apropriate for your mission.