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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Swager on May 10, 2001, 11:32:00 AM
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So, who's going??
I understand it covers from the Battle of Britain, Pearl Harbor and up to the Dolittle Raid!
Cool (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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I fully expect it to be politically infused with things such as a romance, where guy falls in love with a guy, and a girl is a fighter pilot. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I'll probably go check it out just for the special effects to see all those purty planes flying around. But as for the story, plot those kinda things I'm really scared to see what they might have done to history hehe (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Although I hated the way they "Hollywoodized" Saving Private Ryan, I think this is the only way they can afford to do war movies these days and still hope to make a profit. I guess that I can put up with them taking historical liberties and putting in a love sub-plot if it means that I see real aircraft/armor/ships and not little models (a la old Godzilla movies).
Thank God Ben Affleck is in it, or else I would never be able to get the girlfriend to go with me. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I don't care if it's historically accurate or not it still looks cool.
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I really want to see the Battle of Britain sequence.
Will it have hoards of P-51's saving Blighty? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Absolutely no disrespect to the 240 pilots of the real Eagle Squadron (what they did was truly monumental), but I think it should somehow reflect how small in number they were compared to Commonwealth and British pilots.
Or will it be another Saving Private Ryan Saving Europe Singlehandledly? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Anyway I'll be going to see it - it's a film with planes in - and it can't be worse than Iron Eagle III, can it? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Or will it be another Saving Private Ryan Saving Europe Singlehandledly?
I saw that movie twice... I'm really failing to see the "Saving Europe singlehadedly" aspect of it.
Wew... you Brits sure have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to the US in WW2 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
AKDejaVu
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I was wondering the same thing AKDejaVu.
I have SPR on DVD and watch it all the time and I don't see how it in anyway says anything about saving Europe.
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Originally posted by Dowding:
Anyway I'll be going to see it - it's a film with planes in - and it can't be worse than Iron Eagle III, can it? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
you mean there won't be an 15 yr olds shooting down dirty evil arabs to a great rock n roll score? awwwwww
i at least hope they will punctuate the 21 second fight scenes with some terrific 45 minute girl crying and swooning in love scenes. otherwise i'll be disappointed. also i hope they portray the enemy as bumbling and the brave americans they way they are with wind in their hair and teeth gleeming.
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Err... AKDejaVu, Mighty1, I might just have been joking, hence the ' (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)'. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Frankly, I can't see how SPR shows the Americans liberating France single-handedly, either.
Iron Eagle was good. It had a great soundtrack and if you ignore the anti-arab rubbish, it had a great story. BTW, I was 8 y/o when I first saw it, so it was at my level. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Iron Eagle II? Hmmm... not great. You knew what you were in for when you got this sequence:
[Pilot in barracks] What's that?
[Second Pilot] Sounds big. Sounds like two engines.
You then got a shot of an apparently Soviet fighter landing and it turned out to be...
... a F4 Phantom. Nice. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Iron Eagle III: Who came up with that idea? What was he on, and what did he have on the production company to even get the idea considered? I mean come on! WW2 warbirds fighting against sleazy drug barons?!?
Nice planes, shame about just about everything else. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Dowding (edited 05-10-2001).]
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Err... AKDejaVu, Mighty1, I might just have been joking, hence the ' (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)'. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Frankly, I can't see how SPR shows the Americans liberating France single-handedly, either.
Ah.. the irony of picking one of the first really good US made WW2 movies where the US is not portrayed as saving any country's bellybutton to use in this "joke". Its one of the things I liked about the movie... the simplicity of the storyline and the real way they followed it.
You then got a shot of an apparently Soviet fighter landing and it turned out to be...
... a F4 Phantom. Nice.
LOL! I remember seeing that too. I was in the Air Force at the time and we all left shortly thereafter.
I actually liked Iron Eagle when it first came out.. though I get kinda embarassed when I see it these days (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
AKDejaVu
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I was really looking forward to Pearl Harbor coming out, then I saw that it was directed by Michael Bay (Armageddon, the Rock, etc.). I completely hate his style of directing... heroes constantly walking slow-motion out of the smoke toward the camera, all shots are 5-second-panning MTV/car commercial angles, overused blatantly intentional camera shaking for that "hand-held action" feeling, not to mention his complete lack of concern or understanding of physics, aerodynamics, etc.
Of course I'll still see the movie... he may even surprise me. (hoping)
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Except for the eloquence in wich the US soldiers talked in SPR (most of the language of real soldiers consisted of inventive variations of the word diddly), I dont see how you can believe it was "Hollywoodized".
It was a great movie, very in your face, and very realistic technically (except for the P-51 as tank busters, wich was because they coudnt find enough Jugs and P-38)
I dont think Pearl Harbor will come close to it technically, however I still believe it will be a good MOVIE.
If you are expecting 100% realism when you go see a movie, you are better off reading a book, buddy.
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I fully expect it to be politically infused with things such as a romance, where guy falls in love with a guy, and a girl is a fighter pilot.
And a black man (http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq57-4.htm) who was only allowed to be a mess attendant will probably man a machine gun and shoot down several planes, too!
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The black man is real, the other stuff is garbage.
The best Pearl harbor movie is Tora, Tora, Toro. Close to 100% historical accuracy, no stupid love scenes- "Oh I love so much. I don't care if they just blew up the Arizona. Kiss me again."-, and an honest but unbiased portrayol of both sides (i.e., it deals more with the military than the political/moral issues of the attack). I will see this new Pear Harbor monstrosity, but I am already dissappointed by it. An missile cruiser looks nothing like a WW2 battleship.
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The black guy is real, but I believe there's no evidence at all he shot anything down in reality. I'm led to believe in the movie he shoots down Japanese planes left and right.
I don't see how SPR was "Hollywoodized" AT ALL. NO romance, Upham ISN'T a hero in the end, he freezes and his comrade was killed; if it really was "Hollywoodized" Upham would have been a hero.
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Yeah, I know he's real. I think it was the common case of a soldier believing and claiming to have shot down a plane, but there being no confirmation from other sources that they did so. It will be interesting to see how he's portrayed.
Gordo
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Newsweek has a decent story on PH in its latest issue.
If I remember correctly, there was a black guy who made somewhat of a name for himself. Although I think he worked in the laundry, not as a mess steward.
He did get to shoot a gun at the Vals, but, according to the article, someone said they made him stop because he was more of a danger to other sailors than the Japanese (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Sometime during the attack he did help save a wounded officer's life.
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"The Blue Nosed Bastards of Bodney"
"Credo quia absurdum est." (I believe it because it is unreasonable)
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I think that the only flaw I can see in SPR is the total absence of British troops in it.
Not in Normandy, not anywhere in the movie.
I know I know US troops did so much, but it sure seems they were the only ones there.
Daniel, aka Cyrano
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Jeepers - SPR was not an epic covering Normandy Landings fer chrissakes. It was Saving Private Ryan who was an American, an American troop was sent to find him amongst American fighting men in an American sector. Lets cut the anti-american PC crap out of here even in jest, shall we? It stopped being funny long time ago... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Originally posted by CyranoAH:
I think that the only flaw I can see in SPR is the total absence of British troops in it.
Not in Normandy, not anywhere in the movie.
This is TOTALLY REALISTIC.
Mixing units is a bad thing. The British and Canadians were totally concentrated on the eastern three beaches, Americans on the Western two. ONLY way you'd run into British troops at all is if you happened to be in the extreme Eastern part of the Omaha Beach zone.
The invasion didn't consist of assorted British and American squads randomly mixed together.
In the time frame of the movie, I doubt that more than 5% of all the US troops in Normandy saw a British soldier anywhere in France.
It would be perfectly plausible for an American soldier in Europe from June of 1944 to April of 45 not to see a British soldier the ENTIRE TIME except on leave in Paris or something, particularly if he ended up in Third Army.
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Pearl Harbot the movie: Airplanes, Bombs, Explosions...
I am SO there!
-math
(who doesn't really care if the movie is historically accurate, as long as it is entertaining, which is what I go to movies for - to be entertained)
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Originally posted by Mathman:
Pearl Harbot the movie: Airplanes, Bombs, Explosions...
I am SO there!
-math
(who doesn't really care if the movie is historically accurate, as long as it is entertaining, which is what I go to movies for - to be entertained)
Me too Math, so long as the ever-present Hollywood Politically-motivated subliminal messages and Political correctness are not present...last movie I saw that this was true in is SPR. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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I will be there with pen and paper analyzing why the zeke is fitted with Type 99 II's instead of I's (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) LOL I go see movies for the same basis. Not to judge whether a Tiger has a T-34 hull (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Looks lik eit will be a great movie and I am glad they are still making ww2 movies at all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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SPR IS NOT REALISTIC BECAUSE THERE ARE NO AUSTRALIAN SOLDIERS AMREICANS WERE NOT THE ONLY ONES IN WW2 YOU KNOW?!?!1
geez. get your head off your ass. Did you really expect to see British soldiers working with american ones? Now THAT would have been realistic, ah??
SPR was an excellent movie, you are just pissed it was about americans.
same reason you probably were pissed at Braveheart. Excellent movie.
who cares about accuracy, when it was such a GREAT movie. the brits were all over the place hating the movie and all that toejam. lol.
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Originally posted by Animal:
same reason you probably were pissed at Braveheart. Excellent movie.
who cares about accuracy, when it was such a GREAT movie. the brits were all over the place hating the movie and all that toejam. lol.
Actuallly now that you mention it I am pissed they left out americans in braveheart. WTF is up with that? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) LOL
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SPR IS NOT REALISTIC BECAUSE THERE ARE NO AUSTRALIAN SOLDIERS AMREICANS WERE NOT THE ONLY ONES IN WW2 YOU KNOW?!?!1
geez. get your head off your ass. Did you really expect to see British soldiers working with american ones? Now THAT would have been realistic, ah??
SPR was an excellent movie, you are just pissed it was about americans.
same reason you probably were pissed at Braveheart. Excellent movie.
who cares about accuracy, when it was such a GREAT movie. the brits were all over the place hating the movie and all that toejam. lol.
Who exactly are you talking to, Animal? Because, as far as I can see, you seem to be arguing with yourself...
As for Braveheart, it is Hollywood hokum. You didn't see the William Wallace that any historian could describe to you.
It was a good film, but I really wouldn't go thinking it is even a *little* bit historical, unlike SPR which isn't too far off the mark (by all reliable accounts).
SPR was an excellent movie, you are just pissed it was about americans.
same reason you probably were pissed at Braveheart. Excellent movie.
who cares about accuracy, when it was such a GREAT movie. the brits were all over the place hating the movie and all that toejam. lol.
Are you on drugs? So British people were pissed off at Braveheart because it had Americans in it? Eh?
Actually, most people I know who have seen it think it is good. So it makes me wonder where you get you information from.
The underlying truth is that at English are used to being portrayed as 'evil' in everything Hollywood churns out. We are also used to the flak we get from the Scottish and the Welsh, despite the fact neither Wales or Scotland would survive without English tax-payer's money. It is basically alright to be racist about the English if you happen to be Irish, Scottish or Welsh. But turn it around and all hell breaks lose. Pathetic really. But I guess having a chip on your shoulder can make you a little tetchy...
As for Braveheart - I thought it was a good film. But it overplayed the heroism of the mighty Scottish defending their land against the 'evil' dastardly English... <yawn>.
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And "The Patriot" ? I think it touched on Dowdings arrogance? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
(J/K! Sip a cup of tea, down a Guiness, and drop and give me 20!)
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geez whats your problem?
They are BOTH excellent movies.
For all I care they could have portrayed William Wallace fighting against the Vikings, and I would have still liked the movie.
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You guys do whatever you want.
I'm going to Pearl Harbor again and again just to see the F4U-1C's sweep the skies clean of the Japanese attackers before they even get to Battleship Row.
Yep, this time, in a suprise ending, the US simply cleans their clock!
The scene at the end when the 27 squadrons of angry F4U-1C drivers attack the Japanese task force and sink every single one of them with gunfire alone is worth the ticket price, IMO.
Gotta love the -1C.
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Remember this is coming from a man whose country gave us Benny Hill. And please read my comments closer I guess I have to start attaching a I am JOKING on every post of mine. But I thought the rolling eyes and other goodies made that clear
Oh one last thing great to see one more hijacked thread (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
One more last thing, don't like the movie? Stop watching american made movies. And have your country make better movies? GB made what 3 movies this year?
And I am pissed that a new zealander was the lead character in Gladiator as well (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Great movie btw.
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Speaking of Benny Hill does anyone know where I can get copies of his show on DVD?
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AG - why do you presume I even read your post, nevermind actually answer it?
Because, to be honest, I didn't.
Remember this is coming from a man whose country gave us Benny Hill.
And Peter Cook. And John Cleese. And Michael Palin. And Dudley Moore. And Peter Sellers ad (very nearly) infinatum...
It may come as news to you, but Benny Hill isn't exactly regarded as the epitome of British comedy. The only reason it even falls into such a category is because of the canned laughter. Apparently people thought he was hilarious once - but the only good thing he did was play the randy professor in 'The Italian Job'.
One more last thing, don't like the movie? Stop watching american made movies. And have your country make better movies? GB made what 3 movies this year?
Firstly, Hollywood has made some great films. Apocalypse Now, the 'Man with No-name' trilogy, Star Wars, Casablanca, The Big Sleep, Gladiator, American Beauty - all brilliant. It just seems that these days really good films are few and far between.
As for the British film industry - it probably made hundreds last year, but very few have the money to be distributed and so get buried in small art-house cinemas. But frankly, I couldn't really care less how many films GB make or don't make.
Oh one last thing great to see one more hijacked thread
I'm so, so, so very sorry. <tugs forelock> Please stop rolling your eyes at me anymore - I can't take it!
grrr, Ripsnort, just grrr. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Oh btw I think they used the shooting on the USS Texas (Drednaut class, been in love with that ship ever since I knocked myself out falling off a 3inch AA gun when I was a kid)
for most of the battle ship row stuff. It's one of the only remaining US Battleships (and THE only Drednaut left) from the era that wasn't modernized or scrapped (turned over to Texas P&W 1948) , but is in great condition with all the weaponry intact. Restoration was done about a decade ago, so the paint is fairly fresh, all things considered.
It was part of the Atlantic fleet when the Pacific fleet was hit, part of Operation Torch and Overlord (shelling and had barracks for a Ranger section) and shelled Iwo after VE day.
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Originally posted by Mighty1:
Speaking of Benny Hill does anyone know where I can get copies of his show on DVD?
Not available yet, but you can pre-order
Best of Benny Hill (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005JXY7/o/qid=989636177/sr=8-9/ref=aps_sr_d_4_2/103-6682273-4581430)
release date July 24,2001
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I like Benny Hill.
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Braveheart and Patriot were both good movies. Any time the British are portrayed as getting their arse kicked it's usually a good flick. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Hey Dowding, dont get me wrong, I do love british stuff. That movie, Snatch was a REAL classic in my mind. And I cant stop listening to RADIOHEAD.
So there.
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My thread was hijacked and I can't find it!!!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
I disliked the movie "Battle of Britain" because they did not put any Americans in it!! Darn Brits anyways!!
Actually one of my favorite movies!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels wasn't bad, either.
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Originally posted by Mighty1:
I don't care if it's historically accurate or not it still looks cool.
Yep, I mean, U-571 was a masterpiece of historical representation. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Desi
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I don't understand this attitude: If it has bombs and planes, who cares if they are aim-9J and f-14 in WW2 movie..
If they're going to spend $20 000 000 making the movie, why on God's earth can't they make it right? They HAVE the resources, they HAVE the technology. They are underminding the viewers - the way they make the movies suggest that they're sure nobody is intelligent enough to see the blatant mistakes.
I hate to see an immersive and fast paced movie completely lose its credibility for ridiculous mistakes.
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MrSid would be reffering to FINAL COUNTDOWN and earler someone said STAR WARS was a hollywood movie; well it is acutally a british movie but moved to hollywood for the final two movies.
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Snatch was good, and was much better than Lock, Stock. But I still think Guy Ritchie is public school-boy who despeartely wants to be working class. C**t. He's such a 'sorted geeza'.
Radiohead are pretty good, but I prefer REM if I want something with a suicidal edge to it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) OK Computer was excellent, though.
Hobodog - I don't think there has been a British movie made in recent years that hasn't had Hollywood money behind it. Does that apply to Star Wars?