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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 2bighorn on June 02, 2006, 02:22:46 PM
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Do blatant scorepadders names really have to be plastered on AH home page?
Like last tour top fighter ranking?
I do understand HTC needs new players $$, but to go as far as to award unsporty behavior, goes a bit too far.
That's one of the biggest gameplay spoilers ever.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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...but at the end of the day its just a game and the object of ANY game is to have a high score. Those games without a score are the exception. If HTC wants to make this game more sim like then they should remove all score keeping.
Just ask DR. NES
When playing the original super mario bros is the object of the game to beat the game or to have the highest score when pitted against a second player? Thats right...the player with the highest score when all extra men are lost is the winner.
I have also noticed that players get upset that they cant get a low rank. Even though they say rank doesnt matter deep down it does to them and thats why they get upset. Especially when they want a CV and someone steals it from them and turns it. These players dont know how easy it is to get a low rank. All you need to do is understand your score and think of ways to pad it. If players want to call you a scorepotato thats OK. At the end of the day you will be laughing when no one can take a CV from you or whatnot.
Heres some advice...IT is a GAME so game it.
TIPS for rank
Get field captures in a c47 and a m3
Use a PT boat to torp barges and shoot rockets at towns near shores
VULCH in fighter mode
Do much tank town and try for 5 kills a sortie
Do bomber milkruns against cities and such
Use a Stuka with the big bomb and hotpad and repeat as many times as ya can
In attack mode bomb gvs and town and hotpad and repeat
Be an oppritunist... if you smell an advantage take it
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Do blatant scorepadders names really have to be plastered on AH home page?
Like last tour top fighter ranking?
I do understand HTC needs new players $$, but to go as far as to award unsporty behavior, goes a bit too far.
That's one of the biggest gameplay spoilers ever.
I fail to see where listing the top scorers is "unsporty".... I think it's funny that you even look to see who's listed :rolleyes:
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Solution to a simple problem.
Have the players cast four votes using some .command. Example:
.vote#1fighter
.vote#2fighter
.vote#1dweeb
.vote#2dweeb
fighter votes add a point towards the pilot and the dweeb votes remove a point. Pilots with most points are #1 and #2. Everyone can vote only one time, post results at the end of the tour.
This is only for fighter rank. Keep the rest of scoring (attack, bomber, gv) the same.
If no one votes, then no one gives a rats arse about who is #1. If they do, you will have a better idea of who the best is since vulching, picking, and running will make people give you dweeb points were fighting will cause people to vote for you.
:aok
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This is why our kids can't do simple math. Instead of marking them on thier abilty to solve the problems, we give them extra marks so we don't hurt thier feelings.
This whole thread gave me a chuckle though!
I vote that we vote for the most popular people to have thier names in lights even if they don't quite make the numbers scoring. ROFL
Or better yet, we should all get a turn at being #1! We could do it alphabetically too, so as no favoritism is shown!
RTR
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Originally posted by RTR
Or better yet, we should all get a turn at being #1! We could do it alphabetically too, so as no favoritism is shown!
RTR
Ageed. My new in game tag will be ... AAAAAAAAAAAAASolar10.
LOL
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lol for fun i looked up katnip's (never heard of him before) kill stats for last tour. most of his kills (from aircraft) come when flying a typhoon, then a 110, followed by a 190. he has a knack for killing ju88's....in fact killed 279 of them last tour alone. next most popular plane to kill was a 110 at 84, followed my niki at 42. its very hard to get that many kills of one specific plane, though maybe he just had a great tour, his numbers/stats for the previous tours are not even remotely close.
and yes i have nothing better to do, waiting for g/f to get some can go to dinner:)
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Hehe, I rembember that guy:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=177084
Edit:
Again, he has remarkably luck in finding only Ju 88:
23 kills of aircraft this tour so far. 20 of them Ju 88... kills per hour 23 :aok
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Originally posted by Lusche
Hehe, I rembember that guy:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=177084
?that's the kid I was talking about. 279 ju88 kills.
This tour 20 kills all of which were ju88s.
That kind should be on home page, but in different context as a warning to others.
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I want a good score. I think I need more training. Could you teach me bovihornphish?
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Originally posted by SuperDud
I want a good score. I think I need more training. Could you teach me bovihornphish?
Your other half has returned to AH, be scared, very scared:noid
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Your other half has returned to AH, be scared, very scared:noid
Other half? I assume you meant "other account". ;)
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Originally posted by Lusche
Hehe, I rembember that guy:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=177084
Edit:
Again, he has remarkably luck in finding only Ju 88:
23 kills of aircraft this tour so far. 20 of them Ju 88... kills per hour 23 :aok
thats some awesome stat padding with a second account
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heck, if I even saw that many Ju88s I woulda kilt them too. I never did though. I did manage to kill 200 spit16s, 152 la7s and 91 nikis. I need to see more ju88s i guess. :lol
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Re: original 2bighorn's post: What's the point of having scores enabled, if they ain't been shown anywhere? I'd like to see scores turned off (in the AvA at least), they don't really tell how well a person flies. But I also understand the HTC ideology of having the best shown, gives a point to strive to.
Oh well, I do suck (looking at the scores - and I really am a lousy stick!) so I don't need any k/d or any other stats to back it up... But I guess some really try to be the best in the MA, even if they don't usually read the home page of HTC...
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Originally posted by Panzzer
Re: original 2bighorn's post: What's the point of having scores enabled, if they ain't been shown anywhere? I'd like to see scores turned off (in the AvA at least), they don't really tell how well a person flies. But I also understand the HTC ideology of having the best shown, gives a point to strive to.
I didn't mean not to show the top ranks of those who play for the score. On the end, as someone said, it's a competitive game, and some do feel pride in having good rankings. Nothing wrong with that.
I was going more with the line that HTC could occasionally check the stats and those like Katnip should be excluded.
Otherwise, the whole thing is just a mockery...
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Okay, no problem then. I must have misread or most likely misunderstood something of your original post. No worries, mate. ;)
edit: I just checked the HTC home page, I really don`t know anything about the MA scores, has Katnip (top fighter ranking) somehow manipulated the scores? Or what were you trying to say?
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Originally posted by Panzzer
has Katnip (top fighter ranking) somehow manipulated the scores?
He didn't 'manipulate' the score, he just found the holly grail of skillz, that turned his ID from LTARkilz aka mediocre to 'Katnip the uber leet fighter jock" in just about 3 tours.
It has gave him supernatural powers which attracted JU88s by his aura in unbelievable numbers just to be fried by his look alone.
I don't have problem with those supernaturals, but irks me that HTC put those in the same baskett as us mortals...
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Originally posted by Lusche
Hehe, I rembember that guy:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=177084
Edit:
Again, he has remarkably luck in finding only Ju 88:
23 kills of aircraft this tour so far. 20 of them Ju 88... kills per hour 23 :aok
haha, too funny. i hope your not accusing him of anything though, i hear he doesn't take it kindly.:D
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2bighorn: Oh, ok. Thanks for the clarification. Have you tried sending an e-mail to Skuzzy (aka support) yet about this?
-- Panzzer
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
He didn't 'manipulate' the score, he just found the holly grail of skillz, that turned his ID from LTARkilz aka mediocre to 'Katnip the uber leet fighter jock" in just about 3 tours.
Let's not minimize his leetness, guys...so far this tour he's like 82:1 in GVs!
After his stunning tour de force as a fighting killer of Ju88s, he's now aquired amzing, unstppable GV skills!
Course, he still has his magnetic Ju88 powers, having gotten 20 Ju88 kills out of his 21 total, all in the A8.
Since he's also killed one other plane type, a single La-7, I'm sure its all legitimate. Come on, admit it -- we've all had those 2o kill runs with every kill being the same plane type!! Several tours in a row, right?
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Shades police need to solve this one.
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Originally posted by Panzzer
2bighorn: Oh, ok. Thanks for the clarification. Have you tried sending an e-mail to Skuzzy (aka support) yet about this?
-- Panzzer
I'm not sure how HTC would approach this...where does one draw the line between "fair" and "unfair" scorepadding?
In truth, Kaatnips mistake may just be his amazing...ummm... lack of intelligence?....in choosing what targets to up with his 2nd account (or cooperative buddy or whatever). While that is worth exposing and ridiculing, do we know how many others do the same thing with more subtlety?
I'm betting that we're better off not expecting HTC to do anything, but instead to mercilessly mock the dude when we see him ni the MA....:lol :lol
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lol, just looked at his kill stats... this guy is seriously pathetic and retarded.
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I'm still amazed that we caught hell for doing this, yet any other idiot who tries it gets a bunch of "WTFG!!11!!"'s.
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I think the guy keeps running into that one guy who ups 88's when a vutch vest is taking place. He comes out guns blaring. Dies. Then does it again...and again...and again...you get the picture.
I am Katnip! Look at my stats this tour and check out my Ju88 kills. :D
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KaTnIp is good, I'll grant you, but the guy who managed just under 50 disco's last tour, none of which were due to connection failure and all of which came right after wings and things came off his plane is much, much better.
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Originally posted by TinmanX
KaTnIp is good, I'll grant you, but the guy who managed just under 50 disco's last tour, none of which were due to connection failure and all of which came right after wings and things came off his plane is much, much better.
??????
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His name is up in lights too, can't miss him SiR.
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Originally posted by Simaril
I'm not sure how HTC would approach this...where does one draw the line between "fair" and "unfair" scorepadding?
Well spoken. I certainly donīt want any kind of "The Holy Texan Score Inquistion (HT SI)" knocking at my door just because I happened to kill the same guy a dozend times in 3 mins while spawncamping (Yes, I DO that kind of things) :D
Originally posted by Simaril
In truth, Kaatnips mistake may just be his amazing...ummm... lack of intelligence?....in choosing what targets to up with his 2nd account (or cooperative buddy or whatever).
Actually he put himself into the spotlights of this BBS. Look at the original thread: "Where are my kills???"
Originally posted by Simaril
While that is worth exposing and ridiculing, do we know how many others do the same thing with more subtlety?
Quite a number, Iīm afraid. But then, I donīt really care that much about rank. Last tour I ended up rank 112 or so, which is ridiculous for someone lacking any decent acm skills!
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I always thought those names on the home page were the hall of shame winners.
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Well, at least the community is doing its job here. We called him out on it, and now everyone knows he's a big, gamey fraud. Yay, us!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Well, at least the community is doing its job here. We called him out on it, and now everyone knows he's a big, gamey fraud. Yay, us!
-- Todd/Leviathn
good job detective, Kudos to you and your team as well. in recognition of this outstanding effort you have an all expenses paid one week stay at "hedonismII" in beautiful Ocho Rios, Jamaica. your paramour urchin is there currently awaiting your arrival with bated breath.
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gents first off i would like to say no it was not a shade acc. and no i am not going to bring who it is in to play. now yes i buffer the scores and ranks by this other person. i did it to show a point. me and this friend is tired of seeing others do this and nothing being said. and wow look what happens when someone not known that well (because of the new name) does the samething. very interesting. one person say that atlest your doing your job as a comunity hahaha then if your doing your job as a comunity then why have none of the others been flamed on here. to point out one person is flaming and tells me that all of you are scared to point out all the others that do this sort of thing and pay for a second account. now i am going to change my id to KaTnIp2 and will fly as i normaly do. my point is well proven that this comunity does not care what vets do but what the new ones do. damn shame this comunity selects just a few to flame on the BBS. and Skuzzy this post should have been locked a long time ago due to flaming/ thats if the rules still stand as Hitech created. or maybe i wrong and they can be changed so this comunity and flame people as they please. last i remembered i got one of my post locked for calling someone stubid. now if any of you have questions please feel free to e-mail me at cphantom2002@yahoo.com
and to make it clear my squad had no knowlage of this at all. as of a matter of fact it was mentioned and questioned by the squad as well. and KillnU you just mad you did not get first for a tour dont worry its yours again
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:rofl
Ok, wait a second...you admit to padding your stats on somebodies elses account? To prove a point ? :rofl
Your point is proven...not sure its the one you wanted to prove though.:lol
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mad? hardly. I was actually surprised I was still up there this tour. Only thing I get mad about in game...and Im getting better about it, is when people dive in front of me while Im 200 off a guy. Other than that I dont get upset over this game. Too many important things in life going on.
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thats nothing to be mad about, only time to get mad is when they kill shoot you i hate that.
and update i going to change id to IownU
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when I am off somebodies 6 at 200 yards, I am normally firing...so what ya think happens if somebody drops down in front of me? hehe I typically just ping myself up some...grrrr
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The only purpose of score is to have high enough rank to take a CV away from an afk noob.
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I'm thinking that the only point anyone has proved here is that they are lame beyond words, besides having the worst grammer I've ever seen.
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KaTnIp: Hope you enjoyed your point, because you will not be flying with us after this week end.
HiTech
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Originally posted by KaTnIp
thats nothing to be mad about, only time to get mad is when they kill shoot you i hate that.
and update i going to change id to IownU
looks like someone owns someone here - bye bye
lol
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WhoOwnsWho? :noid
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Well, at least the community is doing its job here. We called him out on it, and now everyone knows he's a big, gamey fraud. Yay, us!
-- Todd/Leviathn
Oh! Sweet sweet irony, I love thee.
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Bye katnip.
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Originally posted by pluck
lol for fun i looked up katnip's (never heard of him before) kill stats for last tour.
Good point you make there as the guys handle never existed before March... no one gets that many kills that fast when they are 'new' to this game. I am sure LYNX and SHawk even sucked when they started flying this game.... well okay, maybe not! :D
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Nothin quite like a HiTech IownU ehh.
Bronk
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Goodbye Katnip.....
Hitech should remove his name on the mainpage as well
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Originally posted by hitech
KaTnIp: Hope you enjoyed your point, because you will not be flying with us after this week end.
HiTech
Now THATS funny, I don't care who you are.:rofl
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LMAO HT.
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PWNT!:rofl
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My point is 8 inches. Loves me 8 inches :rofl
KatNips point ... pointless
HTC point.....The door :aok
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Do blatant scorepadders names really have to be plastered on AH home page?
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i don't see big diference betwen this guy and other rainbow warriors, vulching and running/ bombing factorys/camping for score and a spot on front page
All this rank sistem / the Aces on front on front page , makes the players behave cowardly, shelfish,avoid the fights and losse the best part of the game,
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Originally posted by hitech
KaTnIp: Hope you enjoyed your point, because you will not be flying with us after this week end.
HiTech
(http://www.gonzoville.com/share/files/1/Files/absolutely_owned.jpg)
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I'm confused.
There have been countless instances of people vulching second accounts, and as far as I know they all went unpunished. Why is Katnips case any different? Is it just because he wasn't paying an extra $15 a month to manipulate the scoring system?
Or was this sort of thing previously considered OK and now it is not?
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I think it's darwinism. The others didn't come to the board saying, "Yep, I did it." That's like asking for the pwn stick!
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Originally posted by Urchin
I'm confused.
There have been countless instances of people vulching second accounts, and as far as I know they all went unpunished. Why is Katnips case any different? Is it just because he wasn't paying an extra $15 a month to manipulate the scoring system?
Or was this sort of thing previously considered OK and now it is not?
If you're on the frontpage for your l33t rank and we all know you exploited the scoring system, HT looks like a mook. If no one knows, he doesn't. Easy.
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Congrats Killinu.
It reminds me of a miss America contest, where the winner is found out to be a prostitute, that "padded her score" with the judges.
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Originally posted by hitech
KaTnIp: Hope you enjoyed your point, because you will not be flying with us after this week end.
HiTech
[SIZE=16]PWNED!!![/SIZE]
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Originally posted by hitech
KaTnIp: Hope you enjoyed your point, because you will not be flying with us after this week end.
HiTech
HiTech:
The sweet leetness of the pwnage is delicious, but a questions' in order -- is it now HTC policy that scorepadding with a second account is grounds for ejection?. If so, then how much repetition is needed for a "cheating" violation? Will the drone-like target also be penalized?
And, more importantly for the game, now that we've been reminded that if you get caught, you're out -- how will we note those padders who are more subtle, and arrange for a different target plane every time the cooperative drone ups?
Suggestion: could there be an additional function on the stats page that lists "opponents killed," and reports the CPIDs of every target killed more than, say 5 times. If there's a willing drone involved, it should be pretty obvious, especially when cross referenced with the target's stats. (I mean, if 2 guys keep upping to engage each other, each should get kills and itll be clear one isnt a drone.)
Without this kind of stat function, your intervention here will drive this kind of padding far enough underground that WE wont be able to see it. I'd be very disappointed if the anti-cheat policy is simply "dont brag about it, dont embarrass us, and we'll turn a blind eye." Since you are reporting the scores on the homepage, the blind eye approach essentially impugns the integrity of the game.Only with the "target killed" stat can the community watch the problem....
With respect,
Simaril
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Originally posted by 0GravPirate
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Heres some advice...IT is a GAME so game it.
TIPS for rank
Get field captures in a c47 and a m3
Use a PT boat to torp barges and shoot rockets at towns near shores
VULCH in fighter mode
Do much tank town and try for 5 kills a sortie
Do bomber milkruns against cities and such
Use a Stuka with the big bomb and hotpad and repeat as many times as ya can
In attack mode bomb gvs and town and hotpad and repeat
Be an oppritunist... if you smell an advantage take it
Sounds like teh awesome fun.
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Originally posted by KaTnIp
now yes i buffer the scores and ranks by this other person. i did it to show a point.
My response to KaTnIp's blunder (http://home.att.net/~c.c.jordan/HesSilly.wav)
My regards,
Widewing
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lmfao all of you bash on me for showing a point but there is someone out there now that is still at it and has been at it for a long time. as of a matter of fact all of you ponited it out to hitech and he did nothing as of right now this certain person sits with
Fighter attack
kills 12 12
assist 3 3
landed 2 2
died 1 1
ow well guess its ok for this person to keep doing what he/she is doing and just bash the ones that try to make everyone aware of it must be nice to have hitech in your back pocket. i dont care if i get the big boot as long as i make all of aces high office crew aware of whats going on.
respectfully,
KaTnIp
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So, in summary, you made HTC look silly by boasting of your exploitation of the scoring system, which we all know is a joke anyway. WTFG. 'Bye.
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Doesn't look bannable to me. Most of the score weenies are doing things just as lame to play the rank game. Vulch a friends account - vulch other guys at a field endlessly. Only a fine line in degree of lameness.
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Who said "irony?", Levi I think. I'm thinking more of Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letter.
Pax,
Hap
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Originally posted by ghi
i don't see big diference betwen this guy and other rainbow warriors, vulching and running/ bombing factorys/camping for score and a spot on front page
All this rank sistem / the Aces on front on front page , makes the players behave cowardly, shelfish,avoid the fights and losse the best part of the game,
So GHI when we see you suicide a set of dive bombing b26's into a Cv at least we can say "you are not playing for rank". When you suicide 26's we can say he's not ......behave cowardly, shelfish,avoid the fights and losse the best part of the game
Not Just to GHI this follwing comment but alot of you guys have totally the WRONG idea about rank let alone whats needed to get rank. In short you guys are small minded sheep lead by skill-less guys with an excuse for their talentless behavour. If your doctrine is "landing is over rated" or "bombers are 10 a penny" then YOU are the guys pulling this game down. The guys with rank earn rank it's not bomb and bail , pork and auger, suicide dive bombing, suicide straff runs. Rank is bases more to the historical side of things in my oppinion. It's landing kills getting 20K in bombers etc. A hole host of stuff that half of you gamey little tossers can't be arsed to learn about let alone do.
You wanna have a poke at guys with rank then don't come across like a total idiot. Debate what part of rank is cowardly, shelfish, fight avoiding, or comes anywhere near losses best part of game. For what ever asspect of your arguement I or others will point out just where you have gone wrong.
Example 1 Fighter Rank To get fighter rank you don't float about the arena killing a guy here 1 guy there. You don't spend 2 hours getting 17 kills after 5 re-arms. Rank is bases on kills per sortie, Hit percentage % and time it's done in.... QUICKLY. And to do that you gotta get in the fight. None of this crap about running away extending D 5k to do a HO on your pinged up, gun jammed, smoking wreck blah blah blah.
As for katty-nipped. If he has proof of somone padding score to get on AH home page then he shoulda e-mailed HTC. I'll put it to ya that his excuse is just that.... an excuse. In my Oppinion if he was really making a point he woulda seen his name on the front page then immediately made a Big POST here about it. We got silence and he got another 20 ju88 kills before he found out his number was up. Shame on him or anyone doing this.
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Originally posted by LYNX
Not Just to GHI this follwing comment but alot of you guys have totally the WRONG idea about rank let alone whats needed to get rank. In short you guys are small minded sheep lead by skill-less guys with an excuse for their talentless behavour. If your doctrine is "landing is over rated" or "bombers are 10 a penny" then YOU are the guys pulling this game down. The guys with rank earn rank it's not bomb and bail , pork and auger, suicide dive bombing, suicide straff runs. Rank is bases more to the historical side of things in my oppinion. It's landing kills getting 20K in bombers etc. A hole host of stuff that half of you gamey little tossers can't be arsed to learn about let alone do.
Example 1 Fighter Rank To get fighter rank you don't float about the arena killing a guy here 1 guy there. You don't spend 2 hours getting 17 kills after 5 re-arms. Rank is bases on kills per sortie, Hit percentage % and time it's done in.... QUICKLY. And to do that you gotta get in the fight. None of this crap about running away extending D 5k to do a HO on your pinged up, gun jammed, smoking wreck blah blah blah.
I really can't disagree more strongly than I actually do, but I'll try not to be insulting to anyone in my response.
Whats the best way to get fighter rank (just in response to your example)?
Easy. Fly a fast plane with cannon, and cherrypick. If at all possible, vulch (it'll help the hit percentage.. those planes in the air can be downright wiggly sometimes, even when they are already slow and fighting other people).
No offense to Shawk, but he is a perfect example of a "smart" (or timid, depending on your PoV) flyer who plays for rank. He flies a fast plane, he flies in a pack, and he never engages alone. If he is caught with his pants down (lower than an enemy plane) he runs until he gets some friendlies to come in, then he comes back looking to cherrypick. He "extends" indefinately.
And the masses think he is a good fighter pilot and strive to emulate him. That is what disgusts me. I'm alright with a few pilots doing the whole timid thing because that is what they like to do.. but an arena full of people who fly that way because "thats how the aces fly" is just absurd to me.
You can take the whole "play for rank thing" to an extreme and only do things if they'll help your rank.
Example.. you need at least 1 sortie in a PT boat where you hit something with rockets. Baltic used to be a great map for that.. you could spawn at some base right next to an enemy factory, and shoot your rockets and hit. Didn't matter if the buildings were down or not, still counted. For bomber rank.. you take a Stuka and milkrun a factory a few times (hotpadding - more than 1 sortie is suboptimal for the ranking deal). GVs... camp. Not tank town tho, to easy to die there.
Anyway, I imagine I lost my point in there somewhere so I'll try to restate it briefly. I'm sure that this is true in all categories, but I know it is true for fighters. Having a high fighter rank does not imply that you are actually any good. All that it means is that you have figured out how to score highly in the subcategories.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Having a high fighter rank does not imply that you are actually any good. All that it means is that you have figured out how to score highly in the subcategories.
Exactly, and although you don't need a second account, or a willing accomplice, it obviously helps. There are tricks in most, if not all of the categories. It has absolutely nothing to do with historical tactics and operations.
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Urchin said
No offense to Shawk, but he is a perfect example of a "smart" (or timid, depending on your PoV) flyer who plays for rank. He flies a fast plane, he flies in a pack, and he never engages alone. If he is caught with his pants down (lower than an enemy plane) he runs until he gets some friendlies to come in, then he comes back looking to cherrypick. He "extends" indefinately.
Look at his last camp, 588 of his kills were in a C Hog not exactly the fastest plane in the game and being in his squad i know that he flies alone a lot more than you're assuming. SHawk is a good virtual pilot with good aim and very good knowledge of the planes he flies and also what his victims are going to do. If you're lower or slower than the enemy would you press a losing position ? probably not so why bash SHawk for doing it ?
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Originally posted by Urchin
I really can't disagree more strongly than I actually do, but I'll try not to be insulting to anyone in my response.
Whats the best way to get fighter rank (just in response to your example)?
Easy. Fly a fast plane with cannon, and cherrypick. If at all possible, vulch (it'll help the hit percentage.. those planes in the air can be downright wiggly sometimes, even when they are already slow and fighting other people).
No offense to Shawk, but he is a perfect example of a "smart" (or timid, depending on your PoV) flyer who plays for rank. He flies a fast plane, he flies in a pack, and he never engages alone. If he is caught with his pants down (lower than an enemy plane) he runs until he gets some friendlies to come in, then he comes back looking to cherrypick. He "extends" indefinately.
And the masses think he is a good fighter pilot and strive to emulate him. That is what disgusts me. I'm alright with a few pilots doing the whole timid thing because that is what they like to do.. but an arena full of people who fly that way because "thats how the aces fly" is just absurd to me.
You can take the whole "play for rank thing" to an extreme and only do things if they'll help your rank.
Example.. you need at least 1 sortie in a PT boat where you hit something with rockets. Baltic used to be a great map for that.. you could spawn at some base right next to an enemy factory, and shoot your rockets and hit. Didn't matter if the buildings were down or not, still counted. For bomber rank.. you take a Stuka and milkrun a factory a few times (hotpadding - more than 1 sortie is suboptimal for the ranking deal). GVs... camp. Not tank town tho, to easy to die there.
Anyway, I imagine I lost my point in there somewhere so I'll try to restate it briefly. I'm sure that this is true in all categories, but I know it is true for fighters. Having a high fighter rank does not imply that you are actually any good. All that it means is that you have figured out how to score highly in the subcategories.
the best example to use of lamer fighter score-padding is pacerr. Shawk will at least fight you. All I've ever seen pacerr doing is vulching/cherry picking/RUNNING!:aok
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Originally posted by WarRaidr
Urchin said
Look at his last camp, 588 of his kills were in a C Hog not exactly the fastest plane in the game and being in his squad i know that he flies alone a lot more than you're assuming. SHawk is a good virtual pilot with good aim and very good knowledge of the planes he flies and also what his victims are going to do. If you're lower or slower than the enemy would you press a losing position ? probably not so why bash SHawk for doing it ?
If I was mistaken in my judgement of how he flies then I'll apologize. I've run into him several times and it was generally under the same circumstances though. While I understand the need to defend your squadmate, I am not calling him out.. I don't dislike him or anything. He was just the most well known example of a 'smart' flier.
As far as calling folks out I've run into a lot of "smart fliers" since I came back a few months ago, I just figured Shawk would be the most well known.
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Originally posted by Urchin
"thats how the aces fly".
Since there is no award or nomination for who is an "ace" and who is not (in the game), I must figure you're referring to WW2 aces. In WW2, If you don't rtb you werent an ace, you were dead. I don't really think it is logical to downsize someone (or their talents) for wanting to play that way.
Originally posted by Urchin
GVs... camp. Not tank town tho, to easy to die there.
Claiming High ranking GV guys "camp only" is an easy way out, and not the major factor some would like to believe. I won't even up unless I know I got a 1 (myself) to 3 (cons) ratio. There is nothing more gratifying than winning a tank encounter when you are severely outnumbered, or breaking spawn camps. In regards to your statement about gv's and tank town, take note of my tour 75 every one of those kills and deaths happened in tank town. Of which case I was spending to much time dodging bombs to set up for a spawn camp.
JMFJ
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Originally posted by ghi
i don't see big diference betwen this guy and other rainbow warriors, vulching and running/ bombing factorys/camping for score and a spot on front page
All this rank sistem / the Aces on front on front page , makes the players behave cowardly, shelfish,avoid the fights and losse the best part of the game,
LOL, uuuuumkaaaaay
The great thing about opinions, they don't require proof.
JMFJ
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Forgive my ignorance, I do not really have the patience to play around in the GVs. I'd really love to, and I probably would if the T-34 had been made competitive.. but as it is now the only really viable option is the Panzer IV, which doesn't interest me all that much.
I would assume that the way to get a good GV rank would be to somehow get your panzer onto an airfield that has had the ack and VH knocked out, or to camp at a spawn point. Both situations would lead to plenty of kills in a short (for a GV anyway) amount of time.
If we ever get a more diverse set of AFV's I'll probably try my and at GVs. Until then I probably won't, it is much to frustrating.
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Originally posted by WarRaidr
Urchin said
Look at his last camp, 588 of his kills were in a C Hog not exactly the fastest plane in the game and being in his squad i know that he flies alone a lot more than you're assuming. SHawk is a good virtual pilot with good aim and very good knowledge of the planes he flies and also what his victims are going to do. If you're lower or slower than the enemy would you press a losing position ? probably not so why bash SHawk for doing it ?
So by his score you would say that Shawk is better than say .... Levi?
How about better than Nomak.... Murdr?
The list goes on and on.
There are reasons people use their films ( Levi, Nomak, Murdr) as training aids.
I don't think I have seen one Shawk film. I suspect there is a reason why.
I have nothing against Shawk . I have only run into him a couple of times.
I know he doesn't seem to smack talk a ton. So I assume he plays his game and is having fun ( good for him ).
But to believe the best fighter pilots have the best game rank is silly.
Bronk
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For almost 20 years, players who were going for a title or rank in these games have done so from a more defensive mindset. At some point many players grow beyond this and stop giving a damn about their rank or their score.
I'd like to see more titles, not less. Best Spit driver, P51, Fw190, etc. ... maybe it'd even help with plane distribution; there'd be a reason to fly a P40 for FM2 or C205 beyond novelty and perk-generation. Hehe ... swarms of SBD's and Vals upping to defend CAP'd fields in competition for "Best Carrier Dive-bomber" title.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Anyway, I imagine I lost my point in there somewhere so I'll try to restate it briefly. I'm sure that this is true in all categories, but I know it is true for fighters. Having a high fighter rank does not imply that you are actually any good. All that it means is that you have figured out how to score highly in the subcategories.
Can't deny you made some valid point about "how to short cut" getting rank but none the less the vast majority of these guys are good at what they do. Check out their hit %. It's not 6 % or 8 % it's over 10 %. Thats in close and tight, shooting less than 300. How did they get there? If you think it's vulching well some of it prolly is BUT you have to be a wizard to attend every vulch fest available.
Anyone worth their salt will NOT want to be in the crappy end of the situation. Low and slow is death and another 10 min flight back to the battle. Keeping smart with a good balance of SA and ACM in my opinion makes for a good pilot. Sure enough some guys are just brilliant against all the odds but to say Having a high fighter rank does not imply that you are actually any good. is just plain wrong. You can't take a newbie or half skilled fighter jock and get him in the top ten. With respect.... it just ain't happening.
As for me listed number 1 bomber a few months back. It wasn't nuka stuka's at ack factory it was 20K Lancasters nailing Cities, factories and towns. Makes for good damage sortie / hit % but even better for your team when enemy Strat is down. You may not believe this but you don't have to live in bombers to be number 1 bomber. A bomb run a day is more than enough and I don't even think i did that on that occasion.
In short my point is you need to have "above average" skills to attain a good fighter / attack rank. Be an accurate bomber and GV'er. If you wanna call Strat bombing Milk runs thats fine with me. Next time I'm 2 sectors behind your lines bombing crap outta your Cities and factories I'd be more than pleased to be ignored as a Milk runner. Hey, your Strat = my damge sortie / hit %
:D
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I'd like to see more titles, not less. Best Spit driver, P51, Fw190, etc. ... maybe it'd even help with plane distribution; there'd be a reason to fly a P40 for FM2 or C205 beyond novelty and perk-generation. Hehe ... swarms of SBD's and Vals upping to defend CAP'd fields in competition for "Best Carrier Dive-bomber" title.
I'm very much in favour of it :aok
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Originally posted by SkyRock
the best example to use of lamer fighter score-padding is pacerr. Shawk will at least fight you. All I've ever seen pacerr doing is vulching/cherry picking/RUNNING!:aok
I see him doing a lot of field defense AGAINST vulchers.
Just saying.
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You can shortcut rank, but you can't shortcut skill. People know who the good players are regardless of rank.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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This was a fun read. I'd like more threads like this one please, will the rest of the dual account dweebs please post their gloating, self-rightous admission of guilt also. You can't deny, its entertainment value.
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About SHawk. Yes, he is the king of cherry picking, vulching, and runnign. However, he has never claimed to be the best or an 'Ace'. If you some how kill his budies and manage to corner him, he can and will fight you. If HT wants to post SHawk on their BBS as the best af the best, that is not SHawks problem. The guy is just having fun doing what he does best.
It seems to me that even though no-one cares about the scoring system and being #1, everyone has something negative to say about the guys that manage to be #1. Yes, I know how they do it and the lameness of it all, but score means nothing to us and we don't care about being the best, remember????
What needs to change is the scoring system, not SHawk.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
You can shortcut rank, but you can't shortcut skill. People know who the good players are regardless of rank.
-- Todd/Leviathn
I agree with you there, but I've flown with SHawk for a long time and while he isn't up where you are Levi(is anyone?) he is damn handy to have watching your back...he'll never leave you behind and to me that is a great player. The ranking system has flaws but I have yet to play any game that doesn't have a scoring system of some sort in place, even chess has a winner (if you can stay awake long enough to see who it is).
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Don't take my statement to be a criticism of SHawk. I've flown with and against him many times, and I've found him to be funny and self-effacing. He's my favorite little score potato! :D
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I didn't take it that way at all Levi, I have alot of respect for the way you play the game. I think that some of the guys taking shots don't have a clue what SHawk is really like in the game though.
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Originally posted by Urchin
No offense to Shawk, but he is a perfect example of a "smart" (or timid, depending on your PoV) flyer who plays for rank. He flies a fast plane, he flies in a pack, and he never engages alone. If he is caught with his pants down (lower than an enemy plane) he runs until he gets some friendlies to come in, then he comes back looking to cherrypick. He "extends" indefinately.
And the masses think he is a good fighter pilot and strive to emulate him. That is what disgusts me. I'm alright with a few pilots doing the whole timid thing because that is what they like to do.. but an arena full of people who fly that way because "thats how the aces fly" is just absurd to me.
You can take the whole "play for rank thing" to an extreme and only do things if they'll help your rank.
You are wrong. When SHawk had his 100+ kills and never was killed, I had two bogies on me. It was a "furball situation" over an enemy base. SHawk came in and helped me, WITHOUT myself asking for it. As he has since I have played this game. Furthermore, that VERY SAME hop, he had a Hurricane all over his arse and was saying, "he's gonna get me K". I had JUST enough luck to get the kill on the 190A8 with a snapshot.
Problem I have with some is their ego's get to big for the game and for the BBS.
SHawk has NEVER given me ego, nor have I in return. My guess is this Urchin, you treat others like ****, expect to be treated like ****.
SHawk, Stang, Morpheus, Wax, Levi, Bodhi, Odd, Xbrit, SaDs, ROC, Roo, Mn7, MGD, BJ229, SkyRock and a host of others have "lent a hand" without question, and I in turn, do the same.
<> SHawk.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
You can shortcut rank, but you can't shortcut skill. People know who the good players are regardless of rank.
-- Todd/Leviathn
A F**king MEN!
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I actually don't have much of an ego Karaya.
I'm good compared to the masses, I'm not as good as I was a couple years ago, and I'm not as good as the current "top pilots".
Like I said before, if I've somehow misjudged Shawk then I'll apologize. Every time I've run into him when he was alone he comes in looking for an easy kill, then hauls bellybutton for friendlies as soon as it is apparent I'm not AFK. Since he obviously doesn't know it is me, I can only assume he flies that way much of the time. I call em like I see em.
I've never been much of an asskisser, so if you are a great hordewarrior I imagine I probably offended you sometime in the past by telling you that. You can join my fan club if you want, send a PM to Storchita, he is the founding member and current President.
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Originally posted by Urchin
I actually don't have much of an ego Karaya. however I do consider myself mr1%er so bow down
no ego on this yokel. none at all.
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Storch.. whats 1% of 5000?
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Originally posted by Urchin
Storch.. whats 1% of 5000?
did your calculator run out of batteries?
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The front page is for telling people who don't know any better how much bellybutton you kick on the intardnet.
Now, you don't have to pad your score or even play the game to accomplish the same goal. Just lie. Because the people who don't already know who the best internet fighter pilot is don't give enough of a **** to check you up on it.
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Originally posted by storch
did your calculator run out of batteries?
Whats the matter, can't do simple math in your head? Thought you were a businessman.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Whats the matter, can't do simple math in your head? Thought you were a businessman.
yup. your calculator has run dry. I won't help you. I wouldn't pee on you if you were ablaze. I will however take the time to taunt you. that I always have time for. :D
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Originally posted by Urchin
Whats the matter, can't do simple math in your head? Thought you were a businessman.
He wasnt a businessman, he ran a pyramid scheme aka AmWay.
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Originally posted by Grits
He wasnt a businessman, he ran a pyramid scheme aka AmWay.
pipsqueak, is there anything you are not an expert on?
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Originally posted by IownU
BLAH BLAH BLAH I suck so I have to pad my score to make up for certain shortcomings I have and to make me feel I'm uber! BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
The only thing you have proven without a doubt is that by far you are one of the most moronic and idiotic players to have ever graced this game. You are the epitomy of what is wrong with this game and by far not the solution.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by IownU
lmfao all of you bash on me for showing a point but there is someone out there now that is still at it and has been at it for a long time. as of a matter of fact all of you ponited it out to hitech and he did nothing as of right now this certain person sits with
Fighter attack
kills 12 12
assist 3 3
landed 2 2
died 1 1
ow well guess its ok for this person to keep doing what he/she is doing and just bash the ones that try to make everyone aware of it must be nice to have hitech in your back pocket. i dont care if i get the big boot as long as i make all of aces high office crew aware of whats going on.
respectfully,
KaTnIp
You're like that idiot that buys crack from a street dealer and then goes to the cops and says "Hey! Look at what I just bought from that nice gentleman on the corner!" and then wonder why you're in handcuffs in the back of the police cruiser on the way to jail.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Bronk
I don't think I have seen one Shawk film. I suspect there is a reason why.
Bronk
Cherry picking and running doesn't make for a good training film.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by SirLoin
The only purpose of score is to have high enough rank to take a CV away from an afk noob.
Or non-afk noob that is trying to get the CV killed
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AKAK i dont have to fly 30,000 to fight. and thats why you have your alt of fight named after you
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While akak might well be doofy little punk flying around at 800,000 feet, he hasn't had to ask someone to let him shoot them to get a kill. For that reason alone, you should not mock him.
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LoL Katnip the investigative reporter...what a scathing expose on the state of AH. Well done sir!!
I bet you're the kind of guy who would move his ships around during a game of Battleship.
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Originally posted by BigR
I bet you're the kind of guy who would move his ships around during a game of Battleship.
LOLOL, good 1!
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
For that reason alone, you should not mock him.
And because Bojo will kick his arse.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by BigR
I bet you're the kind of guy who would move his ships around during a game of Battleship.
You cant do that??:huh
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Sure you can, you just can't brag to HiTech about it. ;)
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can't we all just get along?
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I have peed myself three times reading this thread!
:rofl :rofl :rofl
That being said i dont see the point in banning katnip..we caught lemmon/rmaniac doing this about 2 months ago and he was flying without punishment afterwards (his shade was beer200).
I agree that it would be nice when you check players expanded scores if you could see who was being kilt...would cause folks to think more b4 they do it. also im pretty sure that if your "shade" augers/ditches near you it wont show as a "traceable" kill but will give a kill to the padder (if you havent fired on them). i think that is the secret way to do it without being caught. as for upping ju88s that was the exact same thing Rmaniac was doing...must be some benefit to them over other planes...obviously you want buffs becuz of potential for 3 kills each "shade" run.
:O
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Yes but rm wasn't foolish enough to admit to doing it just to prove a point.
Bronk
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erm soooooooooooooooooooo?
punish the honest cheater eh :p
anyhoo they will all be back with another credit card so its an exercise in mental masturbation anyway...
has hitech really not got a way to figure out its the same guy with a different card? im guessing they all dont have friends or wives with different last names who will loan them their credit cards?
i have never had a second account so i have no real clue as to how it is done...
but since you guys want to know about cheats i may as well admit to what fbhooper was accusing us BoPs of tonite...sigh..
see they had a masssive noe into 30 that i happened upon...after about 20 kills in 3 sorties on them, they brought buffs and dropped the fhs. well fbhoooper said we kept upping fiters even though the fhs were dead. i tried to lie and say we were rearming since they couldnt get near our base (probably all the knit blood in the sea and "brokeback mtn dvds near the mae west life vests" scared em)
well im gonna fess up to how we did it...ok here goes..if your bases fhs are down and you want to up a fiter do this:
1) go to any nearby base
2) up a 262 or tempest..if you dont have enuf perks then use a f4u1c
3) as you take off use your "rearview" and hold it
4) slam your plane into the ground and die
5) repeat this 3 times
6) you have to allow about 4 minutes between each death
7) go back to base that was porked and fhs are back up for you
im sure i will be banned after this..so goodbye to you all
hold the door katnip, daddies coming!!!:aok
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Perception is everything, Chknwng. ;)
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
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1) go to any nearby base
2) up a 262 or tempest..if you dont have enuf perks then use a f4u1c
3) as you take off use your "rearview" and hold it
4) slam your plane into the ground and die
5) repeat this 3 times
6) you have to allow about 4 minutes between each death
7) go back to base that was porked and fhs are back up for you
im sure i will be banned after this..so goodbye to you all
hold the door katnip, daddies coming!!!:aok
:lol
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
I have peed myself three times reading this thread!
:rofl :rofl :rofl
That being said i dont see the point in banning katnip..we caught lemmon/rmaniac doing this about 2 months ago and he was flying without punishment afterwards (his shade was beer200).
...snip...
:O
Judging from the posting handle, I suspect HT was referring to banning the BBS persona, not the paying customer.
<---ships a box of Depends to Falconwing
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
That being said i dont see the point in banning katnip..we caught lemmon/rmaniac doing this about 2 months ago and he was flying without punishment afterwards (his shade was beer200).
:O
Funny you mention him....I haven't seen him in the game for some time now :D
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Originally posted by Max
Funny you mention him....I haven't seen him in the game for some time now :D
sharkeeRmoroniac is now JDCoke which leads me to once again change his name. yup, you guessed it SharkeeRmoroniaccokeaddict. he can be found in the MA busily making friends every AM. sadly he's a rook.
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dont forget he was also shelbygt which i think was the handle that he was scoring against the shades with...
but its not just him...it is more prevalent then you guys might think...
i will say no BoP has ever done this and if we caught on he/she would be gone from the squad and reported by us.
One other thing tha has struck me is that i will never be top 20 rank becuz of how i choose to use buff/gvs....i capture bases mainly....part of the stated objective of the game. however i dont get kills..or kills/sorties from m3s and c47s...therefore guys who tankfight for fun actually have fantastic ranks compared to me...not sure why k/d and kills count for more then a base capture. i can capture a base and end mission and actually hurt my damage/sortie etc subcategories. go figure....
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ha ha ha... let me try that... slam a few 262s into the pavement... heck while im at it ill ditch some tigers...
:rofl
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No!!
The flipping tigers is to get a VH up faster....but im keeping that cheat secret for now!
:noid
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I found a cheat
If you Pinch your ( l ) really tight (l) when firing on tigers they will blow up first shot, no matter where you hit them.
JMFJ
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
No!!
The flipping tigers is to get a VH up faster....but im keeping that cheat secret for now!
:noid
:lol :rofl :lol