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Title: Ju 87
Post by: macleod01 on June 03, 2006, 11:40:44 AM
Just wondering, is it possible to do the Ju 87 Stuka's trademark dive? You know the really steep one? I attempted it but the screen went red. I was just wondering if it was actually possible.
Title: Ju 87
Post by: zorstorer on June 03, 2006, 12:56:28 PM
The screen going red is from "red out" (maybe it's called that) pushing too many negative G's.  You are in effect trying to push your eyes out of your head ;)

Sure, but instead of just pushing forward, try rolling inverted over the target and then pulling nose down to the target.

Kind of like a spit S.

Also be sure to have a good amount of altitude if you are using the 1800kg bomb, it needs plenty of alt to arm.
Title: Ju 87
Post by: macleod01 on June 03, 2006, 12:58:03 PM
thanks, will try this almost immediatly
Title: Ju 87
Post by: Speed55 on June 03, 2006, 05:14:13 PM
divebrakes?
Title: Ju 87
Post by: Debonair on June 03, 2006, 06:16:19 PM
Split-C
Title: Ju 87
Post by: Tails on June 03, 2006, 06:35:12 PM
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Originally posted by zorstorer

Also be sure to have a good amount of altitude if you are using the 1800kg bomb, it needs plenty of alt to arm.


It also has a good frag radius. So you need alt to pull up and get away as well.
Title: Ju 87
Post by: mussie on June 03, 2006, 07:47:18 PM
But makes a hell of a mess when ya hit a town LOL
Title: Ju 87
Post by: rogerdee on June 04, 2006, 06:50:45 AM
the real stuka had  a utomatic setting that would pull the plane up after bomb release incase the pilot blacked out,would be nice if we had this option,also u could see through the floor in the stuka which helpd with there dives along with the markings painted on the canopy  with the different angles  to the horizon

if we had all this working the stuka would be ausomly accurate
Title: Ju 87
Post by: Warspawn on June 04, 2006, 03:34:53 PM
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Originally posted by rogerdee
...along with the markings painted on the canopy  with the different angles  to the horizon

if we had all this working the stuka would be ausomly accurate


Quick question here:  Doesn't the artificial horizon provide dive angle indication?  The ticks along the outside of the circle, progressing through 30 and 45 degree angles of nose-down attitude?  Those should provide an accurate dive-bank indication, although yeah...the real Stuka had lines painted inside the glass to show the angle of the dive.
Title: Ju 87
Post by: Whisky58 on June 04, 2006, 05:44:21 PM
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Originally posted by rogerdee
also u could see through the floor in the stuka which helpd with there dives along with the markings painted on the canopy  with the different angles  to the horizon

 


You can see thro' the floor of the stuka in AH, but not with a centre line bomb loaded 'cos it blocks the view!

Rather defeats purpose of floor window :)
Title: Ju 87
Post by: Warspawn on June 04, 2006, 08:19:08 PM
Hmm, the artificial horizon is set for 30 and 60 degree increments; you can see the numbers in the cockpit of the Ki-84, if that's any help.

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Originally posted by Whisky58
You can see thro' the floor of the stuka in AH, but not with a centre line bomb loaded 'cos it blocks the view!

Rather defeats purpose of floor window :)


HEY!  I know the SECRET reason that window's there...

It's for the A-T version of the Stuka I've been waiting for with the twin 37mm's :aok

Comming soon!

I hope...

(http://everquest2.247xtreme.com/albums/userpics/10028/ju87-plate5.jpg)
Title: Ju 87
Post by: Sikboy on June 04, 2006, 10:38:47 PM
The Ju-87g would rock, as long as the IL-2M3 came with it.

-Sik

(oh, and JUDY JUDY JUDY)
Title: Ju 87
Post by: Whisky58 on June 05, 2006, 06:29:45 AM
Screaming dive sirens would be the business.
Title: Ju 87
Post by: macleod01 on June 05, 2006, 07:00:16 AM
That would be soooo cool! I think the Stuka would be everybodys favourite plane just for the sirens!
Title: Ju 87
Post by: Tails on June 05, 2006, 11:11:58 AM
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Originally posted by macleod01
That would be soooo cool! I think the Stuka would be everybodys favourite plane just for the sirens!


That was the only reason I flew it in AW :D
Title: Ju 87
Post by: badhorse on June 12, 2006, 07:18:59 AM
I am very surprised that the JU-87 in AHII does not have the siren. Other than maybe its distinctive shape, it is the first thing that comes to mind when you think of that airplane. Would be cool to have it here.
Title: Ju 87
Post by: macleod01 on June 12, 2006, 07:28:18 AM
I agree. I was so disappointed not to hear it!
Title: Ju 87
Post by: rogerdee on June 12, 2006, 09:32:15 AM
ivegot  a sound file u can add   which only does the siern when the bomb is droped
Title: Ju 87
Post by: macleod01 on June 12, 2006, 09:47:28 AM
could be cool! But im new and I dont know how to add the sound file
Title: Ju 87
Post by: Krusty on June 12, 2006, 10:45:28 AM
The siren was only used early in the war. It was removed after that. The only craft you might find it on would be a Ju87B-2, one of the major versions before the D that we have in AH. By the time the D was out the siren was old news and long gone. That's why we don't have it.
Title: Ju 87
Post by: macleod01 on June 12, 2006, 10:48:57 AM
Ta krusty, never knew that. But admit it, It would be so cool to dive on a town with a scary siren!
Title: Ju 87
Post by: nirvana on June 12, 2006, 06:59:46 PM
Add a siren to the wind file, dive from 5-10K and it will turn on, since the Stuka doesn't cruise very fast it comes on only when in a steep dive, 300-350 knots, something like that.  

Rogerdee's idea for adding it to the bomb drop is good too.
Title: Ju 87
Post by: Tails on June 12, 2006, 11:18:48 PM
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Originally posted by nirvana
Add a siren to the wind file, dive from 5-10K and it will turn on, since the Stuka doesn't cruise very fast it comes on only when in a steep dive, 300-350 knots, something like that.  

Rogerdee's idea for adding it to the bomb drop is good too.


True, then -you- would hear it. But what about the poor sods you're bombing?

Admit it, a siren would be divine, if only for divebombing tanks :D
Title: Ju 87
Post by: nirvana on June 13, 2006, 04:28:01 AM
Pffft, I don't care if they hear it or not, it's all about me:aok
Title: Ju 87
Post by: MiloMorai on June 13, 2006, 07:29:07 AM
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Originally posted by nirvana
Add a siren to the wind file, dive from 5-10K and it will turn on, since the Stuka doesn't cruise very fast it comes on only when in a steep dive, 300-350 knots, something like that.  

Rogerdee's idea for adding it to the bomb drop is good too.
The pilot had a switch he toggled for the siren. If you are doing 350kts, you are exceeding the dive speed limit of 350mph.
Title: Ju 87
Post by: Angus on June 17, 2006, 06:58:32 PM
I'd fly the darned thing if it had either the 37mm's - or the Siren :D
Title: Ju 87
Post by: macleod01 on June 17, 2006, 07:32:13 PM
Do you think They'll ever put out the TB version?
Title: Ju 87
Post by: Tails on June 17, 2006, 10:11:10 PM
You mean the Ju-87G? No reason not to. Too slow to be a bomber-sniper. And while very powerful again tanks, it's helpless to enemy aircraft. It is, after all, a stuka.
Title: Ju 87
Post by: macleod01 on June 18, 2006, 06:30:53 AM
I certainly hope they do
Title: Ju 87
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 18, 2006, 09:02:03 AM
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Originally posted by Krusty
The siren was only used early in the war. It was removed after that. The only craft you might find it on would be a Ju87B-2, one of the major versions before the D that we have in AH. By the time the D was out the siren was old news and long gone. That's why we don't have it.



The siren was removed on the D-3 version.  The D-1 had the siren as well as the earlier models.  When the D-3 came out, it was determined that the siren no longer had the psychological effect that it used to and was removed from the Stuka.  


ack-ack
Title: Ju 87
Post by: macleod01 on June 18, 2006, 09:28:51 AM
yea well, it would still be a cool addition!
Title: Ju 87
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 18, 2006, 11:26:08 AM
Just whistle when you dive in a Stuka, problem solved =)



ack-ack
Title: Ju 87
Post by: macleod01 on June 18, 2006, 12:52:54 PM
lol! I do anyway, but it gets a bit annoying after a while!
Title: Ju 87
Post by: Reynolds on June 29, 2006, 05:31:16 PM
Whats the altitude the 1800kg bomb needs to be dropped from? Oh, and can that window help at all?
Title: Ju 87
Post by: macleod01 on June 29, 2006, 05:34:18 PM
i generally drop it from any altitude and just pray that it arms in time! This may explain why people have stopped running from my bombs! lol
Title: Ju 87
Post by: Reynolds on June 29, 2006, 11:23:31 PM
um, well, im not that patient... so... um... it would be easier to ram them... so... um... an actual altitude please?
Title: Ju 87
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 30, 2006, 02:23:48 AM
500ft.


ack-ack
Title: Ju 87
Post by: Reynolds on June 30, 2006, 03:02:30 AM
Thats all? thanks!
Title: Ju 87
Post by: macleod01 on July 04, 2006, 06:17:48 AM
does anybody know id its possible to take a Stuka off of a cv?
Title: Ju 87
Post by: Reynolds on July 04, 2006, 06:20:30 AM
Game wont let you. But if you land it there, you can get it back in the air from there. Just go full full flaps, and WEP on. It will work.
Title: Ju 87
Post by: Angus on July 04, 2006, 07:12:05 AM
I'd love the siren, - lol, I'd even fly the thing just for it.
You'd need an earlier version though, typically the Bertha.
That would naturally be the candidate for the BoB ;)