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KNIVES HANDED IN AT POLICE STATIONS
DOZENS of knives have been handed into Sussex Police stations during the first 48 hours of the National Knives Amnesty, which runs until the end of June.
Sealed red bins have been placed at 31 police stations across Sussex, allowing people to deposit unwanted weapons without fear of prosecution.
The aim is to reduce the availability of knives and sharp bladed instruments and to dissuade those, usually young men, who habitually carry them.
Checks at just five Sussex stations confirm that at least 60 knives have been handed in so far, including one large hunting knife handed in at Hastings police station.
A Force spokesman said: 'This is an encouraging start, but we hope there will be many more to come over the weekend and through the coming month.'
Totals to date for each station:
Peacehaven – 10 (non-domestic knives), Seaford – 28 (26 domestic and two weapons), Newhaven – 6 (five domestic), Lewes – 1 (non-domestic knife), Uckfield 12 – (seven domestic), Crowborough – 5 (weapons), Hailsham – 6 (domestic knives).
31 May 2006
http://www.sussexexpress.co.uk/View...ticleID=1536329
Hand your brains in next...lololol..what a bunch of saps
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Good luck! I started a thread about this a week or so ago, and it was mysteriously deleted. I guess knives are a touchy subject.
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lolol..just read it for first time
have a great weekend: )
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
KNIVES HANDED IN AT POLICE STATIONS
DOZENS of knives have been handed into Sussex Police stations during the first 48 hours of the National Knives Amnesty, which runs until the end of June.
http://www.sussexexpress.co.uk/View...ticleID=1536329
Hand your brains in next...lololol..what a bunch of saps
Now normally I for the most part have sstayed out of the UK vrs USA arms debate.
In this case I have to agree whole heartedly with BGBMAW
Something in the water or diet there must be turning their brains into mush..or worse
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What will they cut their meat with? Or spread their butter?:rofl
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Originally posted by ASTAC
What will they cut their meat with? Or spread their butter?:rofl
Or their Marmalade
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Next they will be turing in all their frying pans ;)
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I seriously thought it was a joke the first time I heard it.
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Don't forget to get all the forks too...Those sharp points could really do some damage.
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How much more peaceful wouldn't it be if there were no testosterone? I bet I know what they'll be handing over next. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by lukster
How much more peaceful wouldn't it be if there were no testosterone? I bet I know what they'll be handing over next. :rolleyes:
Mandatory Castrations???? :rofl ;)
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Mandatory Castrations???? :rofl ;)
with what? they've already turned in all their sharp pointy things. I guess they'll have to gnaw them off with their teeth:t
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Can we issue chopsticks all around? Or would someone poke his eye out?
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Fortunately the US Government and our various state and local governments here in the US never do anything pointless and stupid, so we're standing on good solid ground when we launch criticisms at the citizenry of the UK.
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Originally posted by SOB
Fortunately the US Government and our various state and local governments here in the US never do anything pointless and stupid, so we're standing on good solid ground when we launch criticisms at the citizenry of the UK.
yeah, but they're banning knives. :D
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It's not like we never criticize our own governments or like others never criticize our governments. What we don't see a lot of here is others criticizing their own governments. We could use a bit more of that, especially in this thread.
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The land of the nebbish in action, again. :rolleyes:
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"when knives are outlawed, only outlaws will have buttered toast"
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"When knives are outlawed, the toast will still be buttered, and the sales figures at Spatula City will skyrocket!"
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when are they going to collect the 16 ton weights?
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Originally posted by Mr Big
yeah, but they're banning knives. :D
yer kiddin, right?
this can't be serious...
right?
what's next?
"SURRENDER YER POINTY TITTED WOMEN!!"
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Originally posted by Hangtime
[B"SURRENDER YER POINTY TITTED WOMEN!!" [/B]
Vere are you hiding zee vemen viss zee pointy hoo hoos?
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Where's Beetle? Why hasn't he weighed in on this discussion?
He should be here telling us how this makes perfect sense.
Why aren't they confiscating pillows? LOTS of people have been smothered to death with pillows!
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I can't seem to read the article???????????????
Keep getting 404 page not found.
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What's a domestic knife?
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you know.. you really need to understand what has been happening here in order to understand the knife amnesty.
there have been a series of high profile violent stabbings here in a short space of time, that is why it has been introduced.
i think it is a good thing.
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Originally posted by Suave
What's a domestic knife?
kitchen knife
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A domestic knife cuts only one way, and is therefore MUCH safer for use by homeowners otherwise untrained in the use of edged weapons.
An assault-knife has two edges and is FAR too dangerous to be used by the average civilian.
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Originally posted by Furball
you know.. you really need to understand what has been happening here in order to understand the knife amnesty.
there have been a series of high profile violent stabbings here in a short space of time, that is why it has been introduced.
i think it is a good thing.
If the brit were really civilized they would have used guns !
Not the primitive killing tool a knife is !
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Ya know Furball, knives are verboten in our state prisons, but the criminals have them anyway.
So your law doesn't make any sense.
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One time I found a UK knife enthusiast discussion board. Did you know that there's this subculture in the UK of knife freaks? Much like our gun freaks they talk about everything knife related, and ridiculously expensive custom knifes. "Who makes a better blade" or "I got 250 lbs to spend on a knife, which should I buy" threads.
If these weirdos lived in the US they'd all be gun freaks, and vice versa.
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Originally posted by Furball
kitchen knife
LOL, people aren't supposed to own kitchen knives?
What about other tools that could be employed to harm human flesh? Are chainsaws and axes and sickles unlawful utensils too?
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Just the introduction of the term "domestic knife" is absurdly funny. How many other countries have gone to even this length?
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As opposed to the wild knifes that ran free throughout the countryside stabbing hapless victims with impunity until the great knife roundup of 2001. These days only the domesticated remanents remain but they resented the human dominance which resulted in the recent attempts at a knife final solution known as the dulling of Britan. No one can predict the outcome of this great struggle but it seems the dulling process has gained great traction and British are collectively become duller and duller. Will the sharp knifes regain their freedom? Will Britain become a land of dullards? Stay tuned folks! The battle has yet to be decided!
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Originally posted by Furball
you know.. you really need to understand what has been happening here in order to understand the knife amnesty.
there have been a series of high profile violent stabbings here in a short space of time, that is why it has been introduced.
i think it is a good thing.
So I gather you are pro dullard?
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someone hit on it... the weapons will continue to evolve... what needs to be done is to ban testosterone. A chemical neutering (something your-0-peeans are getting good at) is what it needed.
With all the chemical neutering research out their it should be a snap to rid the tiny little island of testosterone.
Think about it... how many women stab people?
I don't think I ever go anywhere without a knife on me... they are really useful to me... like a big sharp fingernail... I have never stabbed anyone.
rabid... I believe that in another thread the brits were voted "most boring people on the planet" by your-0-peeans..
lazs
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When are they gonna ban swimming pools? Don't people drown in those?
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This from the land of Orwell?
Doesn't anyone read "1984" anymore?
I would venture to say that todays youth... your-0-peeans especially, reading 1984, would not find it a very interesting book.... no big deal...
When we read it.... it was a monstrous horror story... every page was filled with things that happened in a world that could never exist except in some nightmare.
now.... it is simply a model for modern socialism.
lazs
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Sussex 2010- People gather any large sticks or rocks they may have in their yards and turn them in to the local police. They are careful to use only smiles when doing this as harsh words and frowns are illegal. There is talk of a PottyMouth Amnesty next year however.
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So the politically bankrupt government who is trying to bolster it's image decides to try to enforce a stupid piece of legislation which has been on the books for years and largly ignored. Yes the carrying of knives in public has been on the books for at least 20 years to my knowledge and yet I still have a Swiss Army knife and carry it routinely as do millions of other people. And our US "allies" wade in on the UK population as a whole ....
Lets look a bit deeper eh ??
Sussex Population (combined east and west from 2001 census) = 1,245,000.
Knives handed in =68
Yep we Brits are just standing in line at the Police atation chanting "Must hand knife in .... must hand knife in" :rolleyes:
You think no-one here sees it ?? Check here -
Latest Nori Polls on Blair and government (http://www.mori.com/polls/2006/mpm060502.shtml)
The current Labour Government is imploding and these are the death throws. The same thing happens in any failing government - sort of like sending 6000 National gaurd to protect a 2000 mile border.
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the movie "demolition man", it is your future.
be well citizens.
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Originally posted by Furball
you know.. you really need to understand what has been happening here in order to understand the knife amnesty.
there have been a series of high profile violent stabbings here in a short space of time, that is why it has been introduced.
i think it is a good thing.
Why do you think it's a good thing? What is it accomplishing?
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Will your government or civilized society prevent the physically strong from taking advantage of the weaker? Only a naive idealist, ignorant of human nature and history would believe it'll work out this way.
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Originally posted by Sparks
Sussex Population (combined east and west from 2001 census) = 1,245,000.
Knives handed in =68
Yep we Brits are just standing in line at the Police atation chanting "Must hand knife in .... must hand knife in" :rolleyes:
You think no-one here sees it ?? Check here -
Latest Nori Polls on Blair and government (http://www.mori.com/polls/2006/mpm060502.shtml)
It's the principal of it. Don't you find that piece of legislation idiotic? If someone wants to hurt someone , they will do regardless of wether they possess a gun, knife or whatever.
The problem to me is, the more efficent weapons you take away, the more gruesome, violent, and bloody the crimes will be. Instead of a nice hole in someone's skull(gun), or a clean stab wound, you'll now have a bloody mass of goo where someone's head used to be after it was bashed in with a brick, or a board or something.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
yer kiddin, right?
this can't be serious...
right?
what's next?
"SURRENDER YER POINTY TITTED WOMEN!!"
Yes pointy breasted women can poke your eyes out. :)
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yeah, but they're banning knives.
No, they're not.
They have launched a knife amnesty. That's a different thing entirely.
An amnesty is a publicity stunt for politicians. The politican gets to stand beside a big pile of knives and say "look how much violent crime we've prevented".
Meanwhile, the public go about their business as usual. As Sparks pointed out, the number of knives that have been handed in is tiny.
It's rather like a gun buyback in the US, only slightly less moronic as the knives are not being bought with public money for this publicity stunt.
There are very few types of knives banned in the UK> from memory, modern (ie not antique) sword canes, butterfly knives, belt buckle knives and flickknives.
The other types are legal to own, legal to buy, and only illegal to carry if a: they were designed as weapons (not tools) and you don't have a good reason to be carrying them, or b: you intend to use it to commit a crime.
Yes the carrying of knives in public has been on the books for at least 20 years to my knowledge and yet I still have a Swiss Army knife and carry it routinely as do millions of other people.
Pocket knives with a blade of less than 3 inches (from memory) are not classed as weapons.
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LOL..
and this makes the situation somehow less ludicrious?
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Hang - yes abosolutely the situation is ludicrous - and absolutely caused by the incompetent floundering government and populist reactionary Prime Minister. This is not new legislation as Nashwan and I pointed out - it has been resurrected as a stunt.
The same time this massive publicity stunt is going on in the name of "reducing violent crime" we have this -
Another shooting in Manchester (http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/article.aspx?as=adimarticle&f=uk_-_olgbtopnews&t=4023&id=2950832&d=20060604&do=http://newsbox.msn.co.uk&i=http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/mediaexportlive&ks=0&mc=5&ml=ma&lc=en&ae=windows-1252)
Unfortunately we have now to wait until 2010 until our next big chance to get rid of the useless wasters unless a vote of no confidence can be done.
Lukster - what are you smoking ?????
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Astac - that piece of OLD[/b] legislation is ludicrous and has been widely ignored by the population and the police until a crime with a knife is commited. I'm sure there are many other pieces of law in the US similarly ignored until something happens.
Fact is the issue is not the weapon of choice it's the legal basis of use that is important. The government sees these stunts necessary to try to convince the population that they are safer because they are the ones who perpetuate the laws that protect criminals and make it a bigger crime for a citizen to protect himself and property from a criminal. The debate about the right of personal defence is happenning in UK but you don't hear it - you just hear these soundbites. The right to personal protection and victims rights will be a big issue in the next general election - unfortunately that is 4 years away :( .
This is nothing but a hopeles stunt and most people see it for what it is.
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Originally posted by Sparks
Lukster - what are you smoking ?????
Nothing potent enough to make me trust my government to protect me and mine.
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If knives are legal, why call the event National Knife Amnesty? Was it organized by stupid people or dishonest people, or stupid dishonest people?
Oh well, if you angle for the stupid demographic you won't lose the election.
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Suave - it was organised by stupid dishonest people - the government.
Lukster - you simply don't read ANYTHING do you ?? My government isn't going to protect me just like yours won't protect you and I have never said anywhere at any time that it will. I want my right to protect myself in my home and on the street back and I'm looking for the party who will support that desire in the next election because that's what we do in democracies like ours - yours and mine.
I ask have you ever been to the UK, spent a significant period of time with a UK national or studied the UK academically ?
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Originally posted by Sparks
Hang - yes abosolutely the situation is ludicrous - and absolutely caused by the incompetent floundering government and populist reactionary Prime Minister. This is not new legislation as Nashwan and I pointed out - it has been resurrected as a stunt.
The same time this massive publicity stunt is going on in the name of "reducing violent crime" we have this -
Another shooting in Manchester (http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/article.aspx?as=adimarticle&f=uk_-_olgbtopnews&t=4023&id=2950832&d=20060604&do=http://newsbox.msn.co.uk&i=http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/mediaexportlive&ks=0&mc=5&ml=ma&lc=en&ae=windows-1252)
Unfortunately we have now to wait until 2010 until our next big chance to get rid of the useless wasters unless a vote of no confidence can be done.
Lukster - what are you smoking ?????
Sparks.. I'm cheered that there are folks like you over there that refuse to drink the kool-aid! Hang in there.. glad to see there's still Men in England!
Anything we can do to help?
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Just because that's what you want Sparks doesn't mean it will happen. I've never been to the UK but from what I read there appear to be more people there like Beetle than like you. Good luck with getting the rights back that your countrymen handed over to their government so meekly. When I see a trend reversal I'll believe you have a better take on what's going on than I.
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We're handing off our rights HERE just a 'meekly' as they were lost over THERE.. time we dropped the arrogant 'it won't happen here' BS and had a look around our own backyard.
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Ah so having never even been to the country and having only read what the media in the US has to offer you feel qualified to label UK general populace as "... naive idealist, ignorant of human nature and history"
Lukster - trust me that what you see over here in the US (yes I'm here on business) bears no relation to what is really happenning in the UK. Lets just say that the news media in the USA isn't renowned for it's foreign story reporting.
Hang - the sad thing is there are a lot of people like me in Uk. Middle class law abiding people who are tired of the crap that's going on but who find the available choices for leaders ....... somewhat lacking. Time will tell but the crime issue is big at home and no-one is being fooled by this "Amnesty" baloney. Just look at those Sussex figures again - 68 hand ins and only 18 classed as weapons. The other 50 were probably little old ladies who thought their bread knife was now classed as an AK47..... And this from 1.245 Mil people. We can all sleep safe tonight - the only 18 deadly weapons in Sussex are gone HOORAYYY!
Government change is going to take some doing. The current Labour crooks have re-arranged things so that it will take an overall swing of 6.5 % in the vote to get a new government majority - that is a huge swing. They are just manipulating bastiges like all politicians.
Check here for intersting stats
Wikipedia on UK election 2010 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_United_Kingdom_general_election)
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Originally posted by Hangtime
We're handing off our rights HERE just a 'meekly' as they were lost over THERE.. time we dropped the arrogant 'it won't happen here' BS and had a look around our own backyard.
I don't know about you but I can carry one of my handguns in my pocket out in public legally any time I want. that qualifies as the protection I'm talking about.
Can you do the same Sparks?
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Originally posted by Sparks
The current Labour Government is imploding and these are the death throws. The same thing happens in any failing government - sort of like sending 6000 National gaurd to protect a 2000 mile border.
:lol
Point to Mr. Sparks. Well played sir!
Let the game resume.
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Originally posted by lukster
I don't know about you but I can carry one of my handguns in my pocket out in public legally any time I want. that qualifies as the protection I'm talking about.
Can you do the same Sparks?
Maybe in Texas. Not in 27 other US states, 56 cities and more counties than I can tally.
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Our curent government may be on it's way out. Lot of unhappy people, no denying that. We won't be looking to replace it with one more liberal or socialist than what we have though, count on that. Our illegal immigration problem will be one of the central issues in our upcoming elections.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Maybe in Texas. Not in 27 other US states, 56 cities and more counties than I can tally.
Well, I'm all for state sovereignty and I don't live in one where citizens don't have the right to defend themselves. I think if you look back a few years you'll see that the trend in this country is increasing freedom in this respect. Not what I'm reading about in the UK.
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I think your facts are a bit out of date Hangtime.
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=18
While I may be an ugly American, we do have access to the BBC on this side of the pond. Am I to disregard what I read there?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4813856.stm
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Originally posted by lukster
I think your facts are a bit out of date Hangtime.
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=18
I stand corrected. Thank you sir.
Shall I point out that 48 states require a permit? A permit that lets the government know who you are, where you live and what you have? Is not registration and 'permits' just the first deadly step in 'rounding up all the guns'?
Last time I checked, registrations and permits prior to purchase classify as 'infringement' of the right to keep and bear arms, yes ?
And who's to say that a few years from now that a diffrent administration, with a different view on the 'rights' issue doesn't blow the dust off a few 'on the books laws' regarding 'constitutional rights' and start yanking the guns.. like they did last year in New Orleans.
Still seems to me our yard ain't all that tidy. The UK is just a few years ahead of us, ain't they?
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At least we are going in the right direction. I won't deny that we have our share of those who would deny us this basic constitutionally guaranteed right but the silent majority is becoming less and less silent.
I have to disagree about the registration part though, at least in Texas. It has been ruled that Texas cannot keep records on what guns you own.
The only time I would prefer an F over a D-.
http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=tx
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Again Lukster did you actually read that report ?? It was a demonstration by activists against the worldwide arms trade[/b] which happenned to have some relatives of victims on board. I don't really think the Uk has sole ownership of worldwide peace organisations like Oxfam etc. and I hardly think it's a valid indicator of the UK general publics attitude on self protection in the street or home.
This knife amnesty is a stunt - a PR excercise to offset headlines like this ...
Stabbing near my home town (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/cambridgeshire/5045690.stm)
Wisbech is not far from my home - I know that square and pub. Mr Blair would have me believe that the knives amnesty will fix this LOL !! Like a bunch of gypos are going to hand in their knives :rofl
So how much safer are we now - well Wisbech is in Cambridgeshire - and according to the BBC there have been 212 knives handed in - population 553,000 - well there we go - all safe now :rolleyes: . If as you suggest the general populace was meekly giving up their pointy things they would have 100's of thousands - they have 212 FFS.
Remembering the BBC has to be careful of the government it is hardly surprising to see them join in on the PR fest - presuambly at the behest of some minister.
The BBC PR machine in action (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/5045916.stm)
Interesting sidebar there that at one festival they seized 90 knives in one go at metal detectors and in the whole county of Cambridgeshire they get 212 in 12 days. Gimme a break.......
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Originally posted by Hangtime
I stand corrected. Thank you sir.
Shall I point out that 48 states require a permit? A permit that lets the government know who you are, where you live and what you have? Is not registration and 'permits' just the first deadly step in 'rounding up all the guns'?
Last time I checked, registrations and permits prior to purchase classify as 'infringement' of the right to keep and bear arms, yes ?
And who's to say that a few years from now that a diffrent administration, with a different view on the 'rights' issue doesn't blow the dust off a few 'on the books laws' regarding 'constitutional rights' and start yanking the guns.. like they did last year in New Orleans.
Still seems to me our yard ain't all that tidy. The UK is just a few years ahead of us, ain't they?
florida does not ask what gun/guns you have or even if you have a gun, it is a concealed WEAPONS permit, there are other things besides guns considered as weapons.
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and this makes the situation somehow less ludicrious?
Of course not. They're politicians.
It's backfired in this case, because no sooner did they launch the amnesty than a spate of stabbings occured.
Just because that's what you want Sparks doesn't mean it will happen. I've never been to the UK but from what I read there appear to be more people there like Beetle than like you. Good luck with getting the rights back that your countrymen handed over to their government so meekly.
Lukster, no offence, but don't you live in a state that's banned dildoes?
(please, no flame wars, only gentle fun)
If knives are legal, why call the event National Knife Amnesty?
Because it's a publicity stunt. I can assure you knives are not illegal.
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Originally posted by Sparks
Again Lukster did you actually read that report ??
I read all of it. It is an attempt to get the UN involved in handgun control. Do you deny this?
Please point me to some pro handgun movements in your country so that I may be enlightened. I've no doubt there are some, I just believe they are a small minority based on what I read.
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Originally posted by Nashwan
Lukster, no offence, but don't you live in a state that's banned dildoes?
(please, no flame wars, only gentle fun)
I think southern women found the public display and sale of such items to be an affront to their sensibilities. It's not like they are really needed in the (they don't call it big for nothing) state of Texas. ;)
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It is an attempt to get the UN involved in handgun control. Do you deny this?
Errrrrrr .... yes. It's an effort to get the UN involved in world ( the whole big blue ball thing we live on - Texas is a small part of it) arms control - you know - like selling AK's to the somalis. Yes handguns are in there but so are RPG's.
This isn't a handgun thread and it's an irrelavent point. Your handgun would be as useless to you as it would to me if you had the self protection laws we have in the Uk - that's the crux of it.
This thread is about the perception by some that a failed but much hyped PR stunt by a bankrupt government is in some way an indication of a submissive general populace. If it inflates your machismo to believe it then go ahead. Unfortunately it's not the truth.
I remind you that the largest bunch of fighting troops you have standing next to you in combat theatre is usually made up of that British populace.
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At that rate the government will have these installed soon.....
(http://www.ketzer.com/movie_props/demolition_man_morality.jpg)
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Originally posted by Sparks
trust me that what you see over here in the US (yes I'm here on business) bears no relation to what is really happenning in the UK. Lets just say that the news media in the USA isn't renowned for it's foreign story reporting.
Very true, so very true. All too often, they make the mistake of judging one country from the perspective of their own. So it's not surprising that they can't make any sense of the results of such a judgement. I always remember when I was living/working in the US at the time of the 1981 Toxteth/Croxteth riots, and the local news media was reporting "civil war" in Britain. No internet access back then, so in the absence of any proper newspapers (sorry, but the Oakland Times does not win any awards for international journalism - LOL) I phoned my brother, who lives now as he did then in the south of England. I asked him about this "civil war" - the US media made it sound like Basra - LOL! And his reply was something like "oh no, it's just a bunch of yobs engaging in copycat violence and wanting to have a punch up with the police. Otherwise, life goes on much the same..."
Of course, the same thing works in reverse - one has to be careful how one interprets foreign news reported in British newspapers.
Lukster sounds like a shades account - less than 200 posts in 6 years, and now 12 posts in this one thread?
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Originally posted by beet1e
Very true, so very true. All too often, they make the mistake of judging one country from the perspective of their own.
Well, as a leading example of that practice, you would know.
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what you're all failing to note is that the vast majority of the knives handed in will be by parents who confiscated them from thier 13yo children.
Adults who want to be armed can and do get away with it.
the knife amnisty is to protect our children from killing each other in schools. It was introduced (not for the first time) after a series of violent murders where the victims and attackers were all unde the age of 18.
make it a joke if you want, or maybe you think its good to see a group of school kids 'free' to arm themselves with weapons that kill.
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Did you know that they arrest Texans for being drunk in a bar too?
Crazy world.
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sparks... do I understand you to say that you believe that the government can't protect you or your family and that it is up to you to do so yourself and that... you should be allowed any weapon that you feel will work to do so with the only restriction that if you commit a crime with it.... you should be appropriately punished?
If so... that is very good. I have been to england and talked to a lot of people there. Nice folk but.... they have a really strange view of guns and Americans so far as I am concerned.
also... in lucksters defense... talking to folks here that are from your country is interacting. for you and nashwan tho... He is correct also that the most important thing is the direction the laws are going... America and britan are going in oppossite directions on freedom to defend yourself.
The UN? I would disband it if I had the power and have most of the people in it arrested for being con men.
also... the article on shootings in the uk... they hit on the solution without admitting it. The solution is allways to make the penalty higher for the crime...not to ban the tools. If you banned guns in the uk but had no penalty... people would all have them anyway. They don't fear bans... they fear the penalties.
lazs
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Originally posted by Curval
Did you know that they arrest Texans for being drunk in a bar too?
Crazy world.
Nah, that lasted only a couple of weeks.
I'll never deny that we have our share of "reformists" in this country or my state, those who would protect us from ourselves while taking control from themselves. Men in general, especially Texans, can be kinda lazy. We might not fight for a woman's right to have a dildo, especially if you consider that might cheat us outta some fun, but don't mess with our guns or bars.
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Originally posted by Sparks
Errrrrrr .... yes. It's an effort to get the UN involved in world ( the whole big blue ball thing we live on - Texas is a small part of it) arms control - you know - like selling AK's to the somalis. Yes handguns are in there but so are RPG's.
This isn't a handgun thread and it's an irrelavent point. Your handgun would be as useless to you as it would to me if you had the self protection laws we have in the Uk - that's the crux of it.
This thread is about the perception by some that a failed but much hyped PR stunt by a bankrupt government is in some way an indication of a submissive general populace. If it inflates your machismo to believe it then go ahead. Unfortunately it's not the truth.
I remind you that the largest bunch of fighting troops you have standing next to you in combat theatre is usually made up of that British populace.
So it's not just handguns but all guns those in the UK want the UN to control. That makes it so much better. I admit to ignorance of the knowledge that can only be gained first hand, can you estimate what percentage of the population of your country is behind this movement? The only things I have to go by is your current laws and what I read.
BTW I appreciate the fact that Brit troops are with us in the middle east. I will also give my moral support to those in your country looking to take back their manhood.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Very true, so very true. All too often, they make the mistake of judging one country from the perspective of their own. So it's not surprising that they can't make any sense of the results of such a judgement. I always remember when I was living/working in the US at the time of the 1981 Toxteth/Croxteth riots, and the local news media was reporting "civil war" in Britain. No internet access back then, so in the absence of any proper newspapers (sorry, but the Oakland Times does not win any awards for international journalism - LOL) I phoned my brother, who lives now as he did then in the south of England. I asked him about this "civil war" - the US media made it sound like Basra - LOL! And his reply was something like "oh no, it's just a bunch of yobs engaging in copycat violence and wanting to have a punch up with the police. Otherwise, life goes on much the same..."
Of course, the same thing works in reverse - one has to be careful how one interprets foreign news reported in British newspapers.
Lukster sounds like a shades account - less than 200 posts in 6 years, and now 12 posts in this one thread?
Shades? No. I announced in my first post with this account after 1 1/2 years or so that my akiron account wasn't working.
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BTW... I just sent postcards (provided by the NRA) to four people in the UN that are, or can be involved in the big UN gun grab.
If you value your freedoms you should be letting the UN know that you do not want their meddling in our laws.
lazs
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
what you're all failing to note is that the vast majority of the knives handed in will be by parents who confiscated them from thier 13yo children.
Adults who want to be armed can and do get away with it.
the knife amnisty is to protect our children from killing each other in schools. It was introduced (not for the first time) after a series of violent murders where the victims and attackers were all unde the age of 18.
make it a joke if you want, or maybe you think its good to see a group of school kids 'free' to arm themselves with weapons that kill.
Did you write this as a joke? No one can be that irrational.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
We're handing off our rights HERE just a 'meekly' as they were lost over THERE.. time we dropped the arrogant 'it won't happen here' BS and had a look around our own backyard.
Amen.
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Originally posted by lukster
Our curent government may be on it's way out. Lot of unhappy people, no denying that. We won't be looking to replace it with one more liberal or socialist than what we have though, count on that. Our illegal immigration problem will be one of the central issues in our upcoming elections.
and will be dealt with as it is now. THEY'LL waste "millions" and DO NOTHING about it. Stop posting your drivel.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
and will be dealt with as it is now. THEY'LL waste "millions" and DO NOTHING about it. Stop posting your drivel.
go fish
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You can have my butter knife when u pry my cold dead fingers off of it!!!:rofl
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Originally posted by lukster
Nah, that lasted only a couple of weeks.
That's interesting. Before the thread was deleted (as it was deemed a troll because it was posted by a non-Texan) discussing this there were all kinds of Texans saying the same law had been in place for years and that it was no big deal. Now you are saying it only lasted a few weeks.
Weird.
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Originally posted by Curval
That's interesting. Before the thread was deleted (as it was deemed a troll because it was posted by a non-Texan) discussing this there were all kinds of Texans saying the same law had been in place for years and that it was no big deal. Now you are saying it only lasted a few weeks.
Weird.
Public drunkeness has been against the law for a long time. Bars are considered to be public places but only recently did law enforcement decide to harrass patrons inside a bar. It didn't last, they are no longer doing it.
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LOL Curval! ^ You know which bit ;)
Lukster = AKIron: Hey! Welcome back! :cool:
Not sure which "rights" we "so meekly gave away". If you're talking about what I think you might be talking about, it's not an issue about which the average Brit gives a fork. Or in other words....
(http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/careometer.jpg)
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Watch out Beetle them forks are nearly as sharp as knifes and with 4 prongs they are clearly assault forks! Obviously, anything that can be used as a weapon must be banned. Afterall, the average person can not be expected to be responsible for themselves.
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Originally posted by beet1e
LOL Curval! ^ You know which bit ;)
Lukster = AKIron: Hey! Welcome back! :cool:
Not sure which "rights" we "so meekly gave away". If you're talking about what I think you might be talking about, it's not an issue about which the average Brit gives a fork. Or in other words....
(http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/careometer.jpg)
Thanks for the welcome back. :)
Giving away the ability to defend yourselves is what I was talking about. It would seem that Sparks would disagree with you on the reading on that careometer though.
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lukster - don't take the story out of context. I haven't handed in any of my kitchen knives - why should I? The drift I'm getting is that some people in this thread think that everyone has to hand in all knives! LOL
Here are some of mine, with an apple to show size. Interestingly, I bought ALL of these in France - no particular reason - just that Carrefour in France has a wide assortment of kitchen wares. The one at the bottom is a "couteau à surgèles", a fearsome thing for gutting fish.
Hehe, seems weird posting pics of my knives, but why not? - we get enough gun pics, FFS.
(http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/knives.jpg)
I don't have a butter knife, but if I did it would be about the length of the handle of any of the knives above.
In a minute, Lazs will be here to tell me I'm risking going to prison because of possession of these knives!
:rofl
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I doubt anyone here really believes that all knives have been banned in the UK. I figured it was bs pr attempt to give some more confidence in their government. That the people of the UK have given up much of their ability to defend themselves however cannot be denied. Hope you guys stand up and take it back. I know it won't be given back voluntarily.