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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Neubob on June 03, 2006, 06:23:07 PM
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In the .410 - .50 cal range.
Was wondering what some of you guys would get given a decent budget. I've heard that there are .410s out there with greater at-distance accuracy than the .50 (I'm assuming due to a higher muzzle velocity), but I'm still a bit foggy on the whole subject. Some of the .410s I've seen are also way more elegant looking than the downright fearsome 50s, but, then again, it's all about the purpose for which they are built.
My purpose would be shooting cool targets (old cars, refrigerators, that I haven't yet picked out), on a large private range.
Thoughts?
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yes i would be jealous....
I have only scene a BArret .50 cal shoot....it was sweeet
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(http://www.chuckhawks.com/marlin_336SS.jpg)
Marlin 336 SS.
My next purchase.
I know it's a smaller calibre than what you were asking about but, GD, lever actions are fun.
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a Marlin 45-70 is fun
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why do you hate old cars and refrigerators, what did they ever do to you?
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Originally posted by john9001
why do you hate old cars and refrigerators, what did they ever do to you?
I don't hate them. I just don't think our kind and their kind should be mixing, that's all.
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For true shooting relaxation, I prefer black powder. Just bought one of these replicas recently and took it to the range the other day. Performs well at 100 yards and is pretty accurate. With this rifle there are numerous accutrouments that must be acquired, such as cleaning stuff and bullet molds to pour your own lead, etc... You can buy pre-molded bullets such as Minies, but "Real" (rifling engraved at loading) bullets work best for me. Lyman makes an aluminum mold, .575 I think, but it's the one for the .577 caliber and is standard for all the .58 cal rilfes. These load faster than the patched ball and afford more shots before having to clean fouling buildup, and are accurate enough to hit a 12" paper plate target at 100 yards, once you get the "Kentucky windage" figured out. It's a lot of fun when you start hitting the target consistently. Kinda gives a sense of accomplishment to experience a bit of history shooting a rifle like this.
Did I mention it's relaxing?:)
Thing is, I use a small hand truck to tote my shooting stuff around, but it's worth it. Anyway, this is my present large cal rifle of choice for range shooting.
Les
(http://[img]http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/177_1149387129_ch-910.003-800enfield.jpg)[/IMG]
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105 MM L7 :D
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Originally posted by Neubob
In the .410 - .50 cal range.
Was wondering what some of you guys would get given a decent budget. I've heard that there are .410s out there with greater at-distance accuracy than the .50 (I'm assuming due to a higher muzzle velocity), but I'm still a bit foggy on the whole subject. Some of the .410s I've seen are also way more elegant looking than the downright fearsome 50s, but, then again, it's all about the purpose for which they are built.
My purpose would be shooting cool targets (old cars, refrigerators, that I haven't yet picked out), on a large private range.
Thoughts?
Are you looking for projectile diameter, power, or both? If you just want diameter in something fairly accurate and easy to deal with, get a 45-70 bolt action. If you want power too, get a .458 Winchester Magnum. I'd suggest you take up reloading, as anything with a lot of powder and big bullets is going to be expensive.
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Originally posted by Leslie
For true shooting relaxation, I prefer black powder. Just bought one of these replicas recently and took it to the range the other day. Performs well at 100 yards and is pretty accurate. With this rifle there are numerous accutrouments that must be acquired, such as cleaning stuff and bullet molds to pour your own lead, etc... You can buy pre-molded bullets such as Minies, but "Real" (rifling engraved at loading) bullets work best for me. Lyman makes an aluminum mold, .575 I think, but it's the one for the .577 caliber and is standard for all the .58 cal rilfes. These load faster than the patched ball and afford more shots before having to clean fouling buildup, and are accurate enough to hit a 12" paper plate target at 100 yards, once you get the "Kentucky windage" figured out. It's a lot of fun when you start hitting the target consistently. Kinda gives a sense of accomplishment to experience a bit of history shooting a rifle like this.
Did I mention it's relaxing?:)
Thing is, I use a small hand truck to tote my shooting stuff around, but it's worth it. Anyway, this is my present large cal rifle of choice for range shooting.
Les
(http://[img]http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/177_1149387129_ch-910.003-800enfield.jpg)[/IMG]
I have a 1816 Springfield on its way to me now. :) I cant wait!
However, the purchase I am anticipating is this one:
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/custom_shop/RollingBlock_rifles.asp
I've been wanting a No. 1 Rolling Block for a long time, and while I've looked at a few in .43 Spanish I didnt want to deal with the exotic caliber. The original ones in .45-70 are outrageously priced. I did have a deal almost set on a Argentine model awhile back, but the deal fell through. This one is cheap by comparison, its brand new, and ........... its still a Remington! I'm drooling just thinking about it. 70 grains of black powder makes one heck of a kick. :)
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<-----pwnd
Originally posted by john9001
why do you hate old cars and refrigerators, what did they ever do to you?
great, now i can't pitch in my witticism about the wooly mamoth being extinct.
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a Barrett M99 chambered for .416 Barrett.
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If money was no object I'd say .408 CheyTac
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Marlin 45-70 is really a fast gun to shoot.. Try the same with bolt action....
I use 22" barrel with silencer and medium-weight bullets. Hornady FN 350gr bullet with N133 Vihtavuori powder , donīt remember how much, around 55 gr or so... Gives muzzle velocity around 630-640m/s and hits like sledgehammer.
Last autumn shot one elk which was running as fast as it could , 100* deflection 60m range. When the bullet hit her she somersaulted and was dead already when I went over there. Our dog was already "killing" her again , lots of fur flying around ... :)
45-70 is good rifle for shorter ranges and areas where there is lots of small brushes and stuff which may turn lighter bullets offcourse. Max reasonable range is around 200 m , whichafter trajectory starts to look like rainbow... But with red dot sight you wont be even able to shoot that far accurately.
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(http://chris.cc/graphics/50BMG3p.jpg)
Why mess around? Make your presence felt.. reach out and touch... be lord of all you survey... give diane fienstien apolexy.
The BMG .50
"Bigger, Better Holes, and Deeper; Too!"
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Fashion never was your strong point, eh Hang?
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Originally posted by Leslie
For true shooting relaxation, I prefer black powder. Just bought one of these replicas recently and took it to the range the other day. Performs well at 100 yards and is pretty accurate. With this rifle there are numerous accutrouments that must be acquired, such as cleaning stuff and bullet molds to pour your own lead, etc... You can buy pre-molded bullets such as Minies, but "Real" (rifling engraved at loading) bullets work best for me. Lyman makes an aluminum mold, .575 I think, but it's the one for the .577 caliber and is standard for all the .58 cal rilfes. These load faster than the patched ball and afford more shots before having to clean fouling buildup, and are accurate enough to hit a 12" paper plate target at 100 yards,
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i have heard old auto wheel weights are a good alloy for making bullets and can be picked up cheap or for free. When i worked in a garage we had buckets of them laying around.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
(http://chris.cc/graphics/50BMG3p.jpg)
Why mess around? Make your presence felt.. reach out and touch... be lord of all you survey... give diane fienstien apolexy.
The BMG .50
"Bigger, Better Holes, and Deeper; Too!"
All reasons why I want a .416 Barret.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Fashion never was your strong point, eh Hang?
Why, no.... I take it yer with the fashion police.
heheheheeh
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Why, no.... I take it yer with the fashion police.
heheheheeh
No I try look "ok" before a pic rather than have the "just got out of bed and this shirt was closest on the floor" look.
Hehe.
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I Checked out heretik's suggestion of the .408 Cheytak. According to one of the sites I saw, the Cheytak can maintain supersonic velocity past 2000 yards, with more energy than the .50 bmg past something like 1700.
Now, granted, these sorts of stats will never play a role in any application I might be able to come up with, but it's interesting.
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ah! Well... that may be why the guy blurred his face; but i suspect it was because he was holding a rifle outlawed by feinstein & co. in his particular local.
using a static shot of a BMG .50 doesn't really do it justice... you get a better idea of sale and mass when you see one being held.
kinda like this shot:
(http://www.firearmstrng.com/classphotos/andy%20bmg.jpg)
and no, that ain't me either. ;)
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talk about free float barrel..,,funnnnnnnn
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midgets with 0.22s!
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Originally posted by Hangtime
but i suspect it was because he was holding a rifle outlawed by feinstein & co. in his particular local.
:noid
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(http://members.aol.com/shadoemagic/mgross/tremors13.jpg)
Burt from Tremors on Overkill:
"When you need it and don't have it...you sing a different tune"
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Harry Callahan: Not bad.
Horace King: Not bad, my ass! You've got to strain the remains for the fingerprints.
Harry Callahan: Well, this is the .44 Magnum Auto-Mag and it hold a 300-grain cartridge. And, if properly used, it can remove the fingerprints.
Hangtime: Oh yeah? Move aside little boy. This here's the BMG .50 and when it's used it doesn't leave any evidence for DNA extraction.