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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Neubob on June 04, 2006, 03:04:43 PM
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or is this a hoax? (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/128967/water_as_fuel/)
We've all heard of some sort of version of this concept. This, however, seems like its almost ready to change the world... Or is it just a big huge joke?
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It is possible to extract hydrogen from water to make fuel, but so far it has been much more costly to do so than to use fossil fuels. If this device is real, it would be a tremendous leap forward in technology. 100 miles on 4 ozs. of water sounds like april fools joke to me thogh.
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I hope is true , not just a cheap "Chain reaction 2"!
Time to flush the toilets with oil and save some water :)
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
100 miles on 4 ozs. of water sounds like april fools joke to me thogh.
You're probably correct...
I think the thought of a million square miles of deserted arab oil fields made me high for a few minutes.
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Assuming this isnt a hoax........instead of going to the gas station, go to your local supermarket and load up on distilled water for those long trips.
I still have high hopes for this company. http://www.changingworldtech.com/ In April they shipped 6000 barrels of diesel fuel which represents about 30% of the plants total capacity.
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Awsome. Damn, I hope it ain't a hoax. That was a very convincing TV news spot.
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no blood for water.
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LOL how expencive will distilled water get if it is true:eek:
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Originally posted by john9001
no blood for water.
:rofl :rofl
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One of the small advantages of this supposed breakthrough is that gearheads won't have to replace their vroom-vrooms with over-grown remote-controlled cars. Internal combustion will survive, and you'll be able to drink out of the tailpipe if you get dehydrated.
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Here's a little update on that video you guys saw... I'm starting to think that this may be more than just a hoax.
Company website (http://hytechapps.com/applications/index.html)
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Interesting find, neubob. Power from a renewable resource, and no carbon emissions! :aok I hope it isn't a hoax, because 100 miles on 4oz of water sounds a little far fetched - unless the engine has some way of ingesting moisture from the atmosphere as it runs...
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"LOL how expencive will distilled water get if it is true"
Wait for the rain and then use oil heat to distill it yerself :D
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its a simple process
1. seperate H from O
2. begin the proton-proton chain
3. duck
4. cover
the Ivy Mike (http://www.archive.org/details/OperationIVY1952) engine
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oil is the future!
Dont get sidetracked and fooled into beliving anything else. We need to get rid of OPEC tho.. they are up to no good :cool:
And you all know that north-sea oil is the best kind right? So write to your congressman and anyone else that matters and make north-sea oil thier number one purchase..
thank you
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Originally posted by Nilsen
oil is the future!
Dont get sidetracked and fooled into beliving anything else. We need to get rid of OPEC tho.. they are up to no good :cool:
And you all know that north-sea oil is the best kind right? So write to your congressman and anyone else that matters and make north-sea oil thier number one purchase..
thank you
DEETH TO SPAMMEERZ!11!1!!!
;)
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
DEETH TO SPAMMEERZ!11!1!!!
;)
What are you talking about? :confused:
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Originally posted by Nilsen
What are you talking about? :confused:
(http://www.uka.no/images/templates/hs-er/hs-statoil.gif)
You pimpin' Statoil, yo!!
:noid
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oil is like so last century
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Originally posted by beet1e
Interesting find, neubob. Power from a renewable resource, and no carbon emissions! :aok I hope it isn't a hoax, because 100 miles on 4oz of water sounds a little far fetched - unless the engine has some way of ingesting moisture from the atmosphere as it runs...
That's what I'm thinking as well
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Their first video, posted here a few weeks ago, mentioned the cost of producing this gas. They took it out of this video and I can't find it on their web site. If I heard it right before, they said they could produce either 1,700 or 17,000 liters per hour at a cost of $.70 per hour. That doesn't sound likely. I either misheard or they made a mistake (or lied). They probably said the rate at which they can produce it at a cost of $.70 per liter. They also said they took a trip and used only half the gasoline which implies their gas provided the other other half of the energy needed. What they did not say is how much of this new gas they used on this trip to replace the gasoline not used.
If other companies and congress are indeed interested then I suspect this may be a viable new energy source, of limited use, but I think they are likely intentionally misleading people to garner public interest.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
oil is the future!
Dont get sidetracked and fooled into beliving anything else. We need to get rid of OPEC tho.. they are up to no good :cool:
And you all know that north-sea oil is the best kind right? So write to your congressman and anyone else that matters and make north-sea oil thier number one purchase..
thank you
Relax Nils.
Buy a freakin Glacier. It's not like you don't have any. ;)
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Buy a freakin Glacier. It's not like you don't have any. ;)
They're all melting, thanks to petrol heads!
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I just realized I was confusing liquid measures with gas . It's possible they did say they can produce 17,000 liters per hour at a cost of $.70/hr. They still avoided telling us how much of their gas they burned on the trip.
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I'm neither chemist nor physicist, but I did retain enough from school to have some serious reservations about this company and it's claims.
Note: I personally think that hydrogen-powered fuell cells are THE best bet technology for a permanent energy solution. I'd take a job evangelizing the technology if I could find it, and I'd buy a cost-effective fuel cell for home and auto in a heartbeat, if I could.
This unique gas is infinitely stable until it comes in contact with a select target media. Then it sublimates, causing a molecular surface exchange of certain elements, reacting with such excitation as to cause temperatures of up to 10,000° F, the temperature of our Sun's surface, which is currently the limits of our ability to measure.
1) I don't believe you can have a "unique mixture" of hydrogen and oxygen. Its just a mixture...two interspersed, but not chemically bound gases in the same space. Nothing special.
2) "Infinitely stable", simply because these are two stable gasses.
3) A 'select target media' would commonly be called a 'catalyst' by anybody who knew what they were about.
4) To sublimate means that this gas mixture instantly becomes a solid in contact with this catalyst...there is no way I am aware of to use solid hydrogen or solid oxygen in a fuel cell. I believe that getting either element to a solid state would also require outrageously cold temperatures, and a warehouse full of support equipment.
5) At 10,000 degrees F, the entire device (and probably quite an area around it, too) would become an uncontained plasma and destroy itself.
6) He may not be able to measure temperatures in excess of 10,000 degrees, but any properly equipped lab could. Furthermore, there is more than one way to measure very high temperatures.
Now, if you go read the 'Science' page...frankly it sounds like a bunch of hooey to me. This is not the writing of a scientist of physicist, or even a genious layman who has any real grasp of the subject he's talking about.
This feature alone establishes that the H2O Model 1500 Aquygen™ Gas Generator produces a "new form of water" that is gaseous and combustible! This is the first identification on record of the unknown chemical composition of Aquygen™ Gas, its relationship with the H2O Model 1500 Aquygen™ Gas Generator, and some of its applications.
Water in it's gaseous state is called 'steam'. Steam is actually a vapor, or aerosol (tiny droplets dispersed in atmosphere).
"Unknown chemical composition" ?? Of water vapor? This one doesn't even need comment.
Also, the variable character of the energy content of the Aquygen™ Gas is clear evidence that the gas has a structure other than a molecular structure, namely, that its chemical composition includes bonds beyond those of valence type
What other structure could there be? What are these mysterious non-valence 'bonds' he refers to? Nope, nope, nope...
The sixth important feature of the Aquygen™ Gas is that it bonds to gaseous fuels (such as natural gas, magnegas fuel, and others) and liquid fuels (such as diesel, gasoline, liquid petroleum, and others), thus significantly improving their thermal content as well as the environmental quality of their exhaust.
Bonds how? What is the nature of these bonds? If you somehow added hydrogen to another fuel, it might be more combustible, but this is nothing new. However, how can it improve the quality of the exhaust...you're still burning a fossil fuel!.
All you mechanics and gear-heads will know a little something about oxy-acetylene cutting. Mix flammable acetylene (which burns at a high temperature) with oxygen (which supplements available oxygen and increases the temperature of the combustion), and you get a good tool for cutting metal.
At best, I believe this guy has simply built a glorified electrolysis machine to crack water, which does not even separate the two component gasses. He then delivers it out of this machine, and you use the stuff just like any other flame-based cutting/welding process. Notice that most of what he goes on about is welding, while all other applications are referred to with vague generalities and techno-babble.
Oh, yeah. Take particular note that there is absolutely NO MENTION of the energy source that powers the machine in the first place...which doesn't addres the known energy-cost/benefit problem of cracking hydrogen fom water
Truthfully, I think this is bunch of pseudo-scientific malarkey that'll only make people more skeptical of the real thing.
Like I said earlier, I am a very, very firm believer in hydrogen power and fuel cells. However, this guy in his garage has not actually solved the two fundamental problems of a) an energy-efficient source of raw hydrogen, and b) a national distribution system.
Sorry, but based on this website, my bull***t meter is pegged.
I have spoken. :D
PS...I freely admit that I may have an error somewhere in my own thinking, but I'd bet money this one particular example is a stone-cold loser.
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Goomba is on the right track.
When you burn hydrogen and oxygen, it makes water. When you disassociate water, it makes hydrogen and oxygen. Then you go and burn the hydrogen and oxygen again to make water...then you disassociate water again and it makes hydrogen and oxygen.
Where is all this extra energy coming from? Is there a nuclear reaction taking place or is this a form of perpetual motion?
We need to use E=MC^^2 or break the 2nd law in order to make this system work as advertised.
sorry.
The six stroke engine is a lot more viable and could take a 50 mpg car and get 80 mpg.
Intake - compression - fuel power - exhaust - water injection / steam power - steam exhaust - No cooling system taking away waste heat, the waste heat goes through the crakshaft.
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If there isn't some process going on that we can't explain then it takes more electricty to produce the gas than what can be produced by buring it. However, you might be able to produce and compress this gas with a solar panel roof on your home. The reason you might use this gas rather than simply use the stored electricity to recharge your electric powered car batteries is time and convenience. While it would be more efficient to recharge batteries, that takes time measured in hours.