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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: nirvana on June 05, 2006, 01:16:29 AM
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How about no, sorry if this is a repost:
On February 14, 2006, Congressman Charles Rangel (Democrat - NY) introduced a bill (Universal National Service Act of 2006 - HR 4752 IH) aiming at drafting everyone - men and women alike - from the ages of 18 to 42 into the military for a minimum period of 2 years.
Or to quote the bill: "To provide for the common defense by requiring all persons in the United States, including women, between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes."
The House is to convene on June 6 (06/06/06] to debate and possibly adopt this bill, that is, unless a vast public outcry succeeds in derailing this insanity, which you can do by writing a letter of protest to your congress person through
http://www.conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm
http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html
Phone calls are even better. The numbers of all US Representatives are at:
http://clerk.house.gov/members/index.html
If you question the validity of this bill, go to:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-4752 or http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.4752
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yes I've been waiting. Can I bring my own guns too.
:lol
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No. I dont want to serve next to a bunch of people who dont want to be there. The quality of our military would take a drastic nose dive.
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Yea it is a repost, and no, it'll never happen. Unless the bill makes provision for the exclusion of the wealthy elite's kids, it will fail by a large margin.
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If the draft was re-instated..
Yes I would end up enlisting so that I may choose my destiny..
Untill then...
I'm very happy not being in the military.
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I sent 2 emails to "Colorado Representatives" stating that the vast majority of the population wouldn't take kindly to it. From those who are already in (BlueJ) and those who aren't (Hawklore). Send away your e-mails to them and let them have a piece o' your mind.
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I agree with the fighting beside someone who dosn't want to be there..
I wouldn't want that either..
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I doubt that this would ever pass, but being 33 and married with a kid, I'd sign up.
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I think a manadatory 2 years military service for everyone out of high school would be great.
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I'd rather they up the enlistment age to 50
I'd sign up tomorrow.
Well hell its still early.
I'd sign up today
Personally I think they should do away with the age limit.
It should be everyones right to join the military reguardless of age.
that being said. a Draft. Unless it was pretty much unanimously voted in would be political suicide for whoever voted for it.
I say unanimously because if everyone voted for it. Then there wouldnt be many left to vote against come election time
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I'd rather they up the enlistment age to 50
I'd sign up tomorrow.
Well hell its still early.
I'd sign up today
Personally I think they should do away with the age limit.
It should be everyones right to join the military reguardless of age.
that being said. a Draft. Unless it was pretty much unanimously voted in would be political suicide for whoever voted for it.
I say unanimously because if everyone voted for it. Then there wouldnt be many left to vote against come election time
Geesh,
Along with all the 18 year old problems I have to deal with as an instructor I'd have geriatric ones as well. ;)
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No 'Manditory Military' draft... but a National Service Manditory Draft. Change the benefits for serving. You can opt for Military instead of Non-Military service.. for more pay and better post-service education grants. Fer crissakes, DECENT pay for those that serve.
....and do it Heinleins way. No service; no vote. If you do serve and stay in 10 or more years; no taxes.
You miserable little cretins enjoy the fruits of the sacrafices of your forebears.. and without any vested interest in the process the latest generations have lead to a national decline in rights, the political process and citizen morality. More people voting in 'Idol' than national elections.. what a freakin sick mess this is turning into. The 'free lunch' should end.
Serve. Or be a second class citizen.
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i dont think a draft would solve any of the problems facing our military.. yea, we are streched thin right now but we are making it happen. I wouldnt want to deal with a drafted soldier that will have a negative attitude and would want nothing more than to be kicked out for dicipline problems "pattern of misconduct"... bad enough we are dealing with those who join strictly for the college money (and they state that fact often)... i hear enough crying about going to the field and deploying, heck they think the army is a 9 to 5 job.. ha ha..
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For as wasteful as the military is with human lives, you want everyone to have to serve?
In times of national emergency, enough people will join the military voluntarily to protect the country.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
No 'Manditory Military' draft... but a National Service Manditory Draft. Change the benefits for serving. You can opt for Military instead of Non-Military service.. for more pay and better post-service education grants.
Great, have a generation of citizens that got thier start in the working world learning all those great lessons in inefficientcy that only the silly service can teach. What's more hurt the economy by taxing the citizens more to pay for these government make-work projects.
You miserable little cretins enjoy the fruits of the sacrafices of your forebears
One of those fruits is freedom, and you want take that freedom away from people just as they reach an age where they can participate in the process, great lesson there. Communism isn't going to help any country.
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I registered for the selective service (draft) when I was eighteen, they don't have to do that anymore?
Because if you do still have to register for selective service when you turn eighteen, there still is a draft & they can reinstate it's use any time they want without legislation.
I'm with Dred, they need to remove the age limit on enlistment. If you are fit, you can join. I think you would have more problems with grown men not wanting little twenty year old females barking at them than geriatric problems gunslinger, you'd come in the barracks to find some 235 pound forty year old sitting on a higher ranking female & lecturing her about her manners & telling her about how he has a daughter older than her. :)
B.T.W. I don't think women should be drafted or serve in frontline positions or in the air over them either, nothing pisses me off worse than seeing American female P.O.W.'s
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Originally posted by Hangtime
No 'Manditory Military' draft... but a National Service Manditory Draft. Change the benefits for serving. You can opt for Military instead of Non-Military service.. for more pay and better post-service education grants. Fer crissakes, DECENT pay for those that serve.
....and do it Heinleins way. No service; no vote. If you do serve and stay in 10 or more years; no taxes.
You miserable little cretins enjoy the fruits of the sacrafices of your forebears.. and without any vested interest in the process the latest generations have lead to a national decline in rights, the political process and citizen morality. More people voting in 'Idol' than national elections.. what a freakin sick mess this is turning into. The 'free lunch' should end.
Serve. Or be a second class citizen.
I think you're on to something with the first paragraph. Mandatory national service would be a good thing. In fact, we could/should involve the states as well. Work for either the federal or the state. I think the education grants are enough motivation. I disagree about voting though.
The tax break is a nice thought, but it'll never happen.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
For as wasteful as the military is with human lives, you want everyone to have to serve?
In times of national emergency, enough people will join the military voluntarily to protect the country.
A 'skate' attitute like that is why this country is going down the tubes... and yer eyeball to brain connection is defective... probably from lack of training or use. Re-read the first paragraph of my post. You don't wanna hump for the military, then you can serve with fema, border patrol, Red Cross, etc. It ain't slavery. Fair pay. Bennies. training. College tution, etc.
And real life experience in a real job.. serving the national or state interest. The experience won't ruin our kids.. learning a work ethic would do the exceeding majority of young people in this country a world of good.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
And real life experience in a real job.. serving the national or state interest. The experience won't ruin our kids.. learning a work ethic would do the exceeding majority of young people in this country a world of good.
Couldn't have said it better myself. :aok
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Originally posted by Hangtime
More people voting in 'Idol' than national elections.. what a freakin sick mess this is turning into. The 'free lunch' should end.
Hang, I think you have the beginings of a good idea here.
We could have a new show, American President Idol,...see they can go around the country and have open auditions, then the winners go to DC for the big contest. Once a week they could have contest like Survior or Amazing Race and everybody can vote for thier favorites. Vote the losers off until your left with one person, make em the president., 2nd place gets VP..:t
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Originally posted by Hangtime
A 'skate' attitute like that is why this country is going down the tubes... and yer eyeball to brain connection is defective... probably from lack of training or use. Re-read the first paragraph of my post. You don't wanna hump for the military, then you can serve with fema, border patrol, Red Cross, etc. It ain't slavery. Fair pay. Bennies. training. College tution, etc.
And real life experience in a real job.. serving the national or state interest. The experience won't ruin our kids.. learning a work ethic would do the exceeding majority of young people in this country a world of good.
Ok, well I agree with that.
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Originally posted by Brenjen
I registered for the selective service (draft) when I was eighteen, they don't have to do that anymore?
Because if you do still have to register for selective service when you turn eighteen, there still is a draft & they can reinstate it's use any time they want without legislation.
I'm with Dred, they need to remove the age limit on enlistment. If you are fit, you can join. I think you would have more problems with grown men not wanting little twenty year old females barking at them than geriatric problems gunslinger, you'd come in the barracks to find some 235 pound forty year old sitting on a higher ranking female & lecturing her about her manners & telling her about how he has a daughter older than her. :)
B.T.W. I don't think women should be drafted or serve in frontline positions or in the air over them either, nothing pisses me off worse than seeing American female P.O.W.'s
Check out your states reserve forces. Some states have Guard units that are not federal (national) guard, yet muster with them and serve in logistics and support roles. There's plenty of ways you can contribute without humping for the military.. get into Ham Radio; join an ARES or RACES emergency support system. Help handle communications in regional or national emergencys...
Lots of ways you can get your old wide fat bellybutton into the game without being a burden on the Military. Don't make excuses.. get involved.
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Can I be a pilot for one of those million dollar RC spy planes?!?!!1!1111 OR maybe I could be the guy strapped to the plane taking pictureS!!!
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get into Ham Radio; join an ARES or RACES emergency support system.
KE4TMG. Got my ticket when I was 12.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
And real life experience in a real job.. serving the national or state interest. The experience won't ruin our kids.. learning a work ethic would do the exceeding majority of young people in this country a world of good.
haha!! Most kids I knew joined the army or guard to get out of working! Seriously, the only good paying jobs at the time were hard labor, totin' block, mixing cement, lumping bundles of shingles up a ladder, etc. I ate it up, made good money, but some went into the service.
One kid went to Germany in the army, went in as an e somethin, did four years and came out the same rank, they tell me you can sleep through four years and gain at least one rank. He kept getting busted goin somewhere doin drugs all the time. Paid for poontang alot, caught the drip and had to be treated. He is the only person I know to pass out at a van halen concert. He "had a good time and didn't have to work".
Oh yeah, that did him alot of good. He's still a little burnt, ran into him at the post office, had that jim from taxi look goin on
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
KE4TMG. Got my ticket when I was 12.
I'm a 'listener'.. got 3 rigs so far.. a HF all band base rig and two 2M/440 dual bander mobiles. Will take my exam after July when the new test series is released.
It's interesting, challenging (always good to learn something new) and I can be useful in an emergency. Should have done it years ago and I certainly coulda been more useful after 9/11 with an ARES or RACES team.
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why does chalres rangel want everyone 18-42 to vote republican:noid :noid :noid :noid :huh
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Originally posted by Hangtime
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Lots of ways you can get your old wide fat bellybutton into the game without being a burden on the Military. Don't make excuses.. get involved. [/B]
Who said I was old, wide, fat or making excuses? Could you point out where I indicated any of that? Who says I don't want to "hump" with the military? Who says I haven't already?
I'm 6'1" & 210 pounds, I'm still in fine shape even for 40 & could hump a 100 pound pack all day long, I do it now backpacking in the mountains & I'm a fine shot with a Bushmaster M-4 or an M-14.
I have no qualms about killing people. Most people on earth need killing.
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Charles Rangel is a typical liberal racist. (not saying all liberals are racist) He claims everyone is racist but him.
I actually watched him on Hannity and Colmes state that only white people can be racist. AND that he wasn't racist because he was black and what he says is the truth about whites.
:huh
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Originally posted by Brenjen
Who said I was old, wide, fat or making excuses? Could you point out where I indicated any of that? Who says I don't want to "hump" with the military? Who says I haven't already?
I'm 6'1" & 210 pounds, I'm still in fine shape even for 40 & could hump a 100 pound pack all day long, I do it now backpacking in the mountains & I'm a fine shot with a Bushmaster M-4 or an M-14.
I have no qualms about killing people. Most people on earth need killing.
My, my.. a defensive plastic tiger. Scratch a nerve; Hondo?
LOL.. Ok Rambo. So join a private security outfit. I hear Blackwater is hiring.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
My, my.. a defensive plastic tiger. Scratch a nerve; Hondo?
LOL.. Ok Rambo. So join a private security outfit. I hear Blackwater is hiring.
HuH? :huh Man are half of you guys in the boards brain dead? Lay off the dope.
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I can see both sides of it. Being that I can't for several medical reasons, I can understand that it would suck for some people to be enlisted. As a few have pointed out, it definately wouldn't be a great thing to be fighting along side people whom either, A) Don't agree with the president or war at all. Or, B) don't want to go for any other reason.
I'm not sure what the number of active soldiers in any branch, but as long as they are able to do their job with the number they have then there should be no reason for the draft to be reinstated. Personally I don't think it would pass anyway, but i've been suprised before.
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I'd still like to know if registration for the selective service is still going on for 18 year olds (males). If it is, there is nothing for anyone to pass, the draft is still around & just not being used.
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I registered for selective service 7 years ago so I'd assume it's still going.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Geesh,
Along with all the 18 year old problems I have to deal with as an instructor I'd have geriatric ones as well. ;)
Yea but I bet it would be easier to keep the attention of the geriatric ones.
Plus we have most of our lives out of the way already.
Those of us that are married have probably been so for quite some time and as such we are beyond being afraid of anything anymore including death.
In fact. when faced with the choise of either going back home to the wife, or charging an enemy which has vastly superiour numbers.
Many of us would rather take our chances with the charge
LMAO
Think Im gonna sue the US military for age discrimination;)
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You could always be a medic in the service if you didn't want to fight, that isn't to say you wouldn't fight at all of course.
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Originally posted by nirvana
You could always be a medic in the service if you didn't want to fight, that isn't to say you wouldn't fight at all of course.
I have an uncle who was a corpsman in WWII and participated in the Battle of Okinawa. While he might not have done much if any shootin' the courtesy was not returned.
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If you don't want to do military service you can work for the Army Corps of Engineers. The Coast Guard. Border Patrol. Customs Service. FEMA. The Red Cross... The USO. The Civil Air Patrol.
Service to your state or nation can be done without being in the 'Military'.
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Originally posted by Brenjen
I'd still like to know if registration for the selective service is still going on for 18 year olds (males). If it is, there is nothing for anyone to pass, the draft is still around & just not being used.
Yes it is. My son. Who turns 18 on the 13th just registered last week.
Funny thing is he has the same name as me.
He asked me if he should put "Jr." on it.
I thought about it for a moment then said.
"Naaaa. If they call you up I'll just go" LMAO
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Heinlein had a great idea, I wish it was possible to implement it. Being a citizen should be earned not granted just as an accident of birth.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
My, my.. a defensive plastic tiger. Scratch a nerve; Hondo?
LOL.. Ok Rambo. So join a private security outfit. I hear Blackwater is hiring.
Originally posted by Brenjen
HuH? :huh Man are half of you guys in the boards brain dead? Lay off the dope.
OK, I am lost Hangtime Scratch what nerve?
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
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Originally posted by Hangtime
My, my.. a defensive plastic tiger. Scratch a nerve; Hondo?
LOL.. Ok Rambo. So join a private security outfit. I hear Blackwater is hiring.
OK, I am lost Hangtime Scratch what nerve?
ha ha ha.. blackwater... make sure you buy yourself a nice vest to wear... maybe dragonskin or pointblank... they dont provide shiat.... for whomever takes that venture... good luck..
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Yes it is. My son. Who turns 18 on the 13th just registered last week.
Funny thing is he has the same name as me.
He asked me if he should put "Jr." on it.
I thought about it for a moment then said.
"Naaaa. If they call you up I'll just go" LMAO
Thanks Dred, then that means we still have a draft, so it's a moot point for the legislature to do anything concerning it unless they want to have women drafted or disolve the draft or otherwise change the framework of the draft we already have.
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haha!! Most kids I knew joined the army or guard to get out of working! Seriously, the only good paying jobs at the time were hard labor, totin' block, mixing cement, lumping bundles of shingles up a ladder, etc. I ate it up, made good money, but some went into the service.
Ironically, I'm going to school to do this ****.
I wouldn't mind if a Scottish (it wasn't Heinlein who originated the idea) way of life was put up. If you serve, for a set period of time, you get to be a citizen.
The "Non-Military" option seems interesting, but it should be scaled way way back to make it NOT EQUAL to military service. Wanting to help the Red Cross is noble, however don't think for one second you are worth the spit of someone who is willing to die for his country.
So, 2 years all front line military career basics. More difficult careers would require more.
But lazy **** like the Red Cross? You have to give 20 years before you even begin to become a citizen.
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Lasersailor, oh lasersailor. Most of the people in the army are NOT in combat positions. It takes five to seven support personel for every soldier in combat. So serving in the Red Cross should be equivalent to military service.
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Great, have a generation of citizens that got thier start in the working world learning all those great lessons in inefficientcy that only the silly service can teach.
Watch the news sometimes and think about... We have a national emergency some place or anyplace in the world. Who is there within hours, boots on the ground "running" with a plan? Many times "red tape" may slow them down once they get there on what they can and can't do.
Yes, sometimes when your in the motorpool with the 300 other guys it will look bad and boring...
But when you need to "Get it done" the U.S. Army along with other service's are the guys to call.
CAVALRY
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Lasersailor, oh lasersailor. Most of the people in the army are NOT in combat positions. It takes five to seven support personel for every soldier in combat. So serving in the Red Cross should be equivalent to military service.
the way war is fought now... everybody is in a combat position.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Wanting to help the Red Cross is noble, however don't think for one second you are worth the spit of someone who is willing to die for his country.
your not supposed to die for your country, your supposed to make the enemy die for their country.
the Marines don't teach you how to die, they teach you how to kill.
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gotta serve or you're second class!
yeah, great mentality there guys.
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Originally posted by Nifty
gotta serve or you're second class!
yeah, great mentality there guys.
It's the "starship troopers" mentality :rofl
Where are the arachnids? I want to become a citizen.
(sorry highjack mode off, I've been seeing so much unbridled flaming lately I forgot myself):D
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The government is there to serve the public (and it does this best by doing it as little as possible), not the other way around.