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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Cabby on May 11, 2001, 10:52:00 PM
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The Branch Davidians are/were a Christian commune, and they had a firearms cache. That fact alone was extremely threatening to the then Leftist-Liberal Establishment(i.e. the Clinton Administration)and it's chief enforcers(willing or not-"i was just following orders"), the ATF, the FBI, and Janet Reno's "Justice" Dept.
Just look at what SturmFuhrer Reno did in Florida vis a vis the "Elian" situation, largely to the cheers from the "enlightened", "caring", Leftist-Liberal segment of the political spectrum. And, of course, the Left's "cheerleaders", the Media.
It is a known fact that FBI Director Louis Freeh cannot stand Janet Reno. Freeh REFUSED to brief Bill Clinton on certain "sensitve" information because he didn't TRUST Clinton's LOYALTY to the United States. Freeh announced his "retirement" from the FBI just four days ago. Then the FBI's "glitch" in not releasing 2000 or more pages of "evidence" in the Okla. City trial. What's going on here???
I think it is safe to say that the Clinton Administration/Clinton-Reno "Justice" Dept. were the most corrupt and traitorous in American history. Without a doubt. I think that Clinton and Reno should BOTH be in jail.
What the US Government did at Ruby Ridge, Waco, and in the "Elian" case is unforgivable. Inexcusable.
Having said all that, in fairness to the "peons"(government agents)on the ground in Waco, Koresh should have obeyed the agent's order to surrender peacefully(even though, IMO, he and the Davidians were not a "threat" to anyone but themselves) and, as they say, "go quietly".
That he didn't do this is what led to the disaster in Waco. Of course the GA's COULD have used their heads and snagged Koresh quietly, AWAY from the compound. But perhaps the US Government WANTED an armed confrontation. This was a case of one idiot, Koresh, and another idiot, Reno, both intitiating a tradgedy.
I repeat, the Clinton Administration/Clinton-Reno "Justice" Dept., the actions of US Agents in Waco, all stink to high heaven.
I fervently hope and pray that the Bush Administration, John Ashcroft, and other Federal/State agencies thoroughly investigate the previous Administration and bring the full weight of the Law to bear on ANY persons involved in any illegal or un-Constitutional activities.
And, that the Bush Administration fires the incompetent personnel. The Left and the Media will scream bloody-hell, but to hell with them. Will Bush and the Republicans have the "guts" to it?? We will see........
McVeigh should be hanged. He is a MURDERER, not a patriot, and deserves to die. I believe ALL murderers should be put-to-death promptly, if PROVEN guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. I don't think blowing-up buildings full of innocent people is the way to get "payback" for the egregious mis-use of power by what i regard as criminal political hacks. Instead, punish the people RESPONSIBLE, under the LAW, not murder innocent women and children who DID NOTHING to deserve a violent death. We, the People of the United States should DEMAND that we purge the US Government of the corrupt demogogues in Washington. I'm afraid though, that a very large percentage of the US population doesn't give a damn. If that is the case, then we, the People, deserve the government we get.
Have you all noticed that the "death penalty hating" Leftist-Liberals are clamoring the loudest for McVeigh's head? What sleazy hypocrites.
McVeigh will beat the death penalty, unless the "anti death-penalty" Leftist-Liberals and the Media get the blood they are screaming for. After all, McVeigh destroyed a sacred site to the Leftist-Liberals, a Government Building. The Leftists-Liberals worship the STATE, and you know how blood-thirsty "religious nuts" can be.
I think it is plain to see that we now know for certain which way the "Crypto-Fascists" lean politically these days, and it doesn't rhyme with "bright"........
Cabby
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Amen
I Listen to Rush as well - even though i'm a Liberterian.
I would like to add that the entire clinton family are criminals and should be punished, however, I do hope Chelsie makes it as a Porn Star. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
LaVa
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I Listen to Rush as well - even though i'm a Liberterian.
Why would anyone choose to listen to a known liar - much less believe the drivel he spouts?
The better part of him ran down the sows leg.
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O'Riley is god.
Charlton Heston in Ought Four.
Rush is bad, he is tainted.
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Jihad:
Typical Liberal response. Don't tell us why Janet Reno and the Clinton Administration are to be admired for their "values", "integrity", and "competence". Don't "explain" the "heroic" action of the Reno "Justice" Dept. in Waco and Florida, and the absolute desecration of the US Constitution and the Law by one William J. Clinton. We KNOW why you don't. Because you CAN'T.
No, just paint the Conservative opposition(even a blow-hard like Limbaugh) to the most corrupt Administration in American History in "Nazi/Fascist" colors and that will suffice.
Well, no dice, Jack. Those tactics, like your lame-ass Leftist-Liberal politics, don't work anymore.
Cabby
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Jihad,
Name one thing Rush has lied about (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Udie
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Cabby, you really should have your own radio show. You could show that Rush fella a thing or two. You're hilarious. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
bowser
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The only case I'll agree with you on is Elian. As for the rest of your innocent victims, the deaths are on their own hands. Shoot at agents? Well, hate to break this to you, but it might end up getting you killed. It's tragic about the children in Waco, but David Khoresh kept them over 6 weeks in sporadic shootouts with FBI (not to mention raping them) because....because...because. ..oh yes, I forgot, it's because he's an all around great Amurrican.
PS - This comes from your friendly registered republican.
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Fatty,
Gotta disagree with you a bit. I think Ruby Ridge was a clusterf***.
Even the Department of Justice Ruby Ridge Report states that:
"1. The Policy for the Use of Deadly Force and the Authorization Structure for Rules of Engagement Must be Standardized for All Federal Law Enforcement Agencies.
...We have concluded that the special Rules of Engagement in force at Ruby Ridge violated the Constitution of the United States."
Without getting into any of how this situation came about... since like everything else lately there seems to be no clear cut evidence... that admission by the Justice Department speaks pretty loudly.
This from a devout Independent. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I have to disagree with that finding. A dead police officer resulting in a shootout in an inner city would have these guys praising the police dept for not backing down, but make it the FBI and a gun hoarding cult or a white seperatist mountain compound, and suddenly equal response is wrong?
In both of these cases, the initial attempt by only a couple of agents to serve a warrant was met with gunfire.
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There is a contradiction in you cabby...
you hate communism yet at the same time you like to have your opinions handed to you on the platter by a blabbering demagogue....
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Fatty,
This report isn't outsiders throwing stones at the Justice Department. It's an internal critique.
"Attorney General Janet Reno established a Justice Department task force to investigate theevents at Ruby Ridge. The task force concluded in a 1994 report that the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team overreacted to the threat of violence and instituted a shoot-on-sight policy that violated bureau guidelines and Fourth Amendment restrictions on police power.
The DOJ itself said "we did it wrong."
"Met with gunfire?" There is no definitive evidence on which side shot first at the "Y". As you might expect the stories from the actual opposing forces blame the "other guy" for shooting first.
The DOJ report says: "4. Conclusion
We are unable to determine who initiated the gunfire at the Y on August 21".
So the DOJ itself doesn't know if the agents were "met with gunfire" or if the agents initiated the gunfire. Pretty important point.
As to the later shooting of Vicki Weaver the DOJ said:
"4. Conclusion
We find that the decision to deploy the FBI's HRT and components of the U.S. Marshals Service SOG to the Ruby Ridge site was proper. However, the Rules of Engagement drafted by the FBI were improper and failed to comply with constitutional standards regarding the use of deadly force by a law enforcement officer. The Rules were also a departure from the FBI's standard policy on the use of deadly force.
Implementation of such Rules may have created an atmosphere that caused an HRT sniper/observer to take a shot that he otherwise would not have taken. The imprecision of the Rules resulted in wide misunderstandings regarding the authorized use of deadly force by law enforcement personnel. In addition, the Constitution requires that surrender announcements be given, where feasible, before deadly force may be employed. For this reason, we believe that the FBI should have given a higher priority to making a surrender announcement at the earliest possible opportunity."
I'm not supporting the far right militia fringe by any means. I'm just pointing out that DOJ thinks they themselves botched it.
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Both instances have internal criticism of the handling after the initial confrontations, and at least in part justified. The problem is when this is immediately grabbed and flaunted as evidence of "jack-booted thug" practices of government agencies, completely ignoring how the situations got to that point.
For instance, grab a report disputing who technically fired first, and you can ignore that to even get to that position there had to be outright resistance to the serving of a warrant.
Cite a problem in the response to the resistance of that warrant (with gunfire, no matter who fired first), and you can ignore the fact the reason you're in that position is the flat refusal to respond to orders issued by the courts.
Cite the deaths of the compound inhabitants at Waco, and you can ignore the fact the reason for the standoff was the shooting of 2 ATF agents trying to serve a warrant. Followed for 6 weeks by David Khoresh's refusal to allow women and children to leave.
Cite the bureaucratic errors in the omission of some of the FBI interview summaries in the McViegh case, and if you squint hard enough you can see him as a poor libertarian prosecuted by an overzealous FBI.
Is the FBI a bloated, inefficient bureaucracy? Absolutely. The problem is when people begin to interpret bureaucratic ineptitude as justification for armed insurrection.
No amount of hearings or fact findings can change the underlying fact that the "victims" in these cases found themselves in those situation purely through their own actions.
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"No amount of hearings or fact findings can change the underlying fact that the "victims" in these cases found themselves in those situation purely through their own actions."
Truer words was never spoke, podnuh.
Nonetheless, it is a basic tenet here that all are innocent until proven guilty and the Constitution covers even the bad guys.
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Udie do a search on Limbaugh - you will find many websites with the information. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Cabby your an looney and an idiot - I'm surprised you don't defend that disease Limbaugh as a "patriot".
Its typical of you to call anyone who doesn't agree with your twisted and hateful rhetoric a leftist/liberal. WTF do you know about my political beliefs - and a better question is do I care?
I'm simply painting all republicans with that broad brush and bucket of slime you leave behind when you post, does it leave a bad taste in your mouth?
I've said in the past I don't agree with what the Clinton administration did or stood for - I even voted for George Bush - I guess that makes me a liberal ehhh?
Cabby bleated: <bleated = the sound a sheep makes>
No, just paint the Conservative opposition(even a blow-hard like Limbaugh) to the most corrupt Administration in American History in "Nazi/Fascist" colors and that will suffice.
Why are you still going on about this? Its history at this point.
Do you see yourself as "the conservative opposistion" - do you think your opinion <misguided as it is> matters to anyone other than loonies like yourself?
It makes me want to laugh that you attach any importance to dead issues like this.
Just like your comments about how some things are worth fighting for in the China thread a few weeks back - WTF do YOU know about whats worth fighting for?
Are you a veteran of the US Armed Forces?
I am - I've put my bellybutton on the line for my country - and have the medals to prove it <Army Commendation Medal, Army Acheivement Medal, Humanitarian Service Medal, Overseas Service Ribbon, along with a few lesser ones> letters of appreciation from several generals and Caspar Weinberger who I met and provided security for during the Pershing II deployment in Europe in 1983.
You really don't have a clue what your talking about do you?
I have the right to make any comments I like about scum <Limbaugh> or any other person who throws themselves into the public arena of politics - I've earned that right, WTF have YOU ever done? <other than parrot a known liar>
You make me sick - its time you learn to think for yourself.
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Geez cabby, you've just reinforced my old suspicion that you are an escaped subject from a Reagan (maybe Nixon, even) era experiment in mind-control and brain washing. "The Republican Party is my master. As you say, oh great GOP... I will spout mindless rabid right-wing drivel in an attempt to undermine the evil leftists!"
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Forgot. I'm a nazi, communist, evil, immoral, corrupt, stupid, blind, ugly liberal. Wait. Let me say that again. I am a LIBERAL!!!! Take that all you right-wing conservative MORONS!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Especially you cabby!
ispar
<edit> Whew! Simmer ispar, simmer... </edit>
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I agree WRT Ruby Ridge and McViegh...
The rest... nope. I'd vote for Clinton again if they'd let him run. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Limbaugh... pop goes jihad
Limbaugh... pop goes jihad
Limbaugh... pop goes jihad
You should see the doctor my friend. This obsession with Limbaugh can't be good for digestion. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Chuckle...well well, we got some people out of their shells, yes?
I enjoy Rush, while there are times I think he humm drumms on an issue a bit too long. But he makes many valid points. And that is that people in this country simply react to emotions rather than the facts. Probably one of the best things that describes Clinton was when he was unaware the cameras where on him (I was watching CNN at the time) and he was going to approach the press and talk about his "Spiritual Counsel" in reaction to the Impeachment/lewinsky fiasco. He was laughing it up with an aide, then when made aware a camera was aimed at him, changed his face to that of a solemn one and walked to the cameras with the ministers of choice. To me, that validated a lot of what the right had been saying, this guy is a 2-faced moron that simply knows how to play the emotions of the masses.
And sadly, its true. People respond to the emotional outcries of the left...watch the budget battles any given day and the Democratic leadership is all out LYING about their take on whatever they disagree with. Recall that the left's ideal canidate was known, and famous for, his "exaagerated" tales. Back here in Maine, we call that "lying", but the liberal press can't say that of its savior now, can it?
I enjoy a good debate, and my friends Dad is a diehard liberal who always wants to argue with me. And the last few times, I back him into a corner and counter=pointed his every boo-hoo. And you know he's outta ammo when he kicks his feet an yells "Bah, all politicians are crooked", and I point out "Especially yours". Muhahha
The O'Reilly Factor is great, Bill's thoughts really mirror mine a great deal. I am a registered republican because 9/10s of what they say, I like. There are some Democratic ideas I think are ok too, but I disagree MORE with the Dems than I do the Republicans.
What's funny is that as of late, the Republicans are a much quieter party than they used to be, knowing that the democrats will always accuse, because that is what they are best at (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) They play a good victim.
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Paul J. Busiere
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Jihad,
Can't you name just one? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I listened to him for about 7 years. Don't remember hearing him spout one lie. I do remember about 3 retractions/corrections that he made over the time that I listened to him though.
LePaul,
I think that was video of the Ron Brown (think that was his name) funeral. Clinton was leaving, luaghing w/ a friend. You see him glance at the camera out of the corner of his eye and within 1 step he's "crying". Rush played that NIGHTLY on his TV show when it was on the air. You don't by chance remember the "Rita-X" caller on his radio show do you? SOOOOO many of the leftist on this board remind me of that poor lady, it's funny.
Udie
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Originally posted by Udie:
LePaul,
I think that was video of the Ron Brown (think that was his name) funeral. Clinton was leaving, luaghing w/ a friend. You see him glance at the camera out of the corner of his eye and within 1 step he's "crying". Rush played that NIGHTLY on his TV show when it was on the air. You don't by chance remember the "Rita-X" caller on his radio show do you? SOOOOO many of the leftist on this board remind me of that poor lady, it's funny.
Udie
You know, you may be right....it was one of the many times he was acting "reverent and respectful"...so, hey, silly me mighta lost count!
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Paul J. Busiere
Aces High Arena handle: BD5Pilot
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BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)
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More Inaccuracy and Irrationality From Rush Limbaugh
If You Remember the 60's...You're Not Rush Limbaugh
LIMBAUGH: "The liberals sit out there and suggest, as Vic Fazio did, that it is the radical right that's acting in a stealth manner. And the Christians and the religious right are about to take over America.
Note that Mr. Fazio probably had no trouble with the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King when he entered the political fray. The Democrats had no trouble with the Berrigan brothers during the Vietnam War era, and they were priests.
The Democrats had no trouble with Jerry Rubin and Abbie Hoffman entering the political fray and running the Students for a Democratic Society. In short, Democrats have never had any problem with liberal religious people being involved in politics."
REALITY: Where to begin? Rep. Vic Fazio probably didn't have any trouble with Martin Luther King's entering the political fray--he was 12 at the time of the 1955 Montgomery bus boycott that brought King to national prominence.
But Democrats certainly had a problem with King: He was wiretapped by President John Kennedy and his brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy. Federal harassment of King intensified under Democratic President Lyndon Johnson.
"The Democrats had no trouble with the Berrigan brothers"? In fact, the brothers gained national attention through highly publicized protests against Johnson's Vietnam policies.
Neither Jerry Rubin nor Abbie Hoffman were religious leaders. They ran the Yippies, which was not connected to SDS. And no serious observer of the 1960s could claim that "the Democrats had no trouble" with the Yippies, who were most famous for their demonstrations at the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago.
"This Kind of Thing Goes on All the Time"
LIMBAUGH: Responding to comments by AFL-CIO President Lane Kirkland following the passage of NAFTA: "Lane Kirkland was asked, 'You mean you're going to take action to help the [opposition]?' 'Oh no no no. I'm not going to do that. But you can do damage by not doing anything.' That's vote suppression. Isn't it?... I mean, they're trying to nail Republicans and Ed Rollins to the wall, and they're trying to decertify Christie Whitman's election, and here's Lane Kirkland, brilliant man, chairman [sic] of the AFL-CIO, talking about how, 'Well, we just won't do anything,' and 'Hey, that hurts too.' So there you have it, a tantamount admission to vote suppression and an indication that this kind of thing goes on all the time."
REALITY: Limbaugh is comparing Kirkland's threat--that the AFL-CIO would not work for candidates who voted for NAFTA--to Ed Rollins' claim that he had paid black religious leaders to not get out the vote in the 1993 New Jersey election. One is politics; the other, if Rollins hadn't retracted his claim, would be a crime.
Man of the People
LIMBAUGH: "All of these rich guys--like the Kennedy family and Perot--pretending to live just like we do and pretending to understand our trials and tribulations and pretending to represent us, and they get away with this."
REALITY: Limbaugh biographer Paul Colford estimates that Limbaugh's earnings in 1994 will top $18 million (Newsday, 8/4/94).
Lyin' King
LIMBAUGH: "On April 23, 1994, a woman named Barbara Schoener, 40 years old, was killed by an 82-pound mountain lion in El Dorado County, California.... She has two kids and a husband. The collection fund had been started for a trust fund for the kids and their education, but at the same time a companion fund had been started by a bunch of animal rights activists for the orphaned lion cubs.... As of May 23, the orphaned mountain lion had received $21,000 in donations and Barbara Schoener's two kids had received around $9,000."
REALITY: Long after this story got debunked, Limbaugh continued to repeat it. On May 31, Folsom City Zoo offical Terry Jenkins sent a letter to Limbaugh correcting an earlier broadcast: "There has never been a 'trust fund for the kitten' as you reported, nor any other fundraising efforts by the zoo or anyone else (with the exception of $36 raised by the coffee store across the street). There certainly have not been any 'animal rights people' deciding to set one up as you claim they have." ABC's 20/20 debunked the story on June 4, with Barbara Walters concluding: "Unsolicited public donations have come in for the cub, but so far they total less than $3,000, so people do care more about children than cubs." Yet more than a month later, Limbaugh was still sticking with his distorted version.
Udie;
Just a few examples of Limbaughs lies and distortions of reality. Would you like me to add some more? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Limbaugh... pop goes jihad
Limbaugh... pop goes jihad
Limbaugh... pop goes jihad
You should see the doctor my friend. This obsession with Limbaugh can't be good for digestion.
Heh, I just use Limbaugh as a figurehead of conservative Republican "values", if I had a picture of Cabby I would have pasted his head onto Adolphs book cover. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by jihad:
[BMan of the People
LIMBAUGH: "All of these rich guys--like the Kennedy family and Perot--pretending to live just like we do and pretending to understand our trials and tribulations and pretending to represent us, and they get away with this."
REALITY: Limbaugh biographer Paul Colford estimates that Limbaugh's earnings in 1994 will top $18 million (Newsday, 8/4/94).
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Big deal, so he's grappled his way to the top of Talk Radio for over 12 years, he's successful and you nix him over the fact he's successful? Only a liberal....
Why don't you knock down all those other out-of-toucher's like Streissand, Clinton and the Kennedy's who claim to be "for the people" but would turn their nose up at breaking for lunch at the local Wendy's like us working folk (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Once again, your credibility is zilch. I suppose my friend Bill O'Reilly doesnt know what he's talking about since his show has become #1 and he has begun to enjoy some success?
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Paul J. Busiere
Aces High Arena handle: BD5Pilot
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Big deal, so he's grappled his way to the top of Talk Radio for over 12 years, he's successful and you nix him over the fact he's successful? Only a liberal....
I report the truth and it makes me a liberal?
Bill Clinton grappled his way to the Presidency by being a liar and sleazebag,and you nix him because hes successful? Only a tight assed conservative.... The hipocracy is sickening.
Why don't you knock down all those other out-of-toucher's like Streissand, Clinton and the Kennedy's who claim to be "for the people" but would turn their nose up at breaking for lunch at the local Wendy's like us working folk
Yep, the clowns you mention are scum.
Once again, your credibility is zilch. I suppose my friend Bill O'Reilly doesnt know what he's talking about since his show has become #1 and he has begun to enjoy some success?
How do facts hurt my credibility, and what does Bill O'Reilly have to do with it?
If he distorts the truth for his own personal gain then IMO he's just another denizen of the cesspool that Rush was born from.
If you like to be spoonfed your opinions on political matters thats your problem - all I can say is it sucks to be you.
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Actually, I would have to say the Most Corrupt Administration was the Reagan/Bush Iran/Contra Scandal that the American public never got to the bottom of. It was obvious who the fall guys were (I know Ollie and Fawn were just shredding documents because they didn't have anything better to do.) This is all tied into the Octopus investigation (Government/Organized Crime/Military Indutrial Complex connections) and really consisted of the executive branch of gov't. (George Bush and Ronald Reagan) acting as the sole branch of government devoid of the other checks and balances. This probably could have been construed as trying to overthrow the government and, therefore, Treason. I can only say that Presidents who engage in this conduct scare me a hell of a lot more then those who get a good B.J.
Also, now that G.W. is in, look for him to cut military spending like Daddy and Cheney did before.
Rush Limbaugh? You mean he isn't a Comedian? ROFL.
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Actually, I would have to say the Most Corrupt Administration was the Reagan/Bush Iran/Contra Scandal that the American public never got to the bottom of.
Careful Sundog - that opinion will get you tarred and feathered by the <LOL> Conservative Republicans. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Their "selective memories" will paint RaYguNz administration as a shining example of American political purity - even if he was a dishonest scumbag and possibly the worst president in recent history.
The only legacy of his worth remembering is his rebuilding a military shattered by Vietnam - for that accomplishment he gets placed one level above Clinton, otherwise he would be tied for last place.
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