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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AG Sachsenberg on May 12, 2001, 01:39:00 AM
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If you so much as say toejam about the movie Pearl Harbor, god rest your soul the next time we bail you out when someone attacks your ass. I was sitting in a bar tonight with 6 WW2 veterans, and you know what the one thing they said they despised the most?
Never recieving Recognition for saving our "allies" tulips in WW2. Seems they had a certain arrogance once we entered the war. And if you want their names I will give you there phone numbers. I am very forunate that I can speak with these individuals that served "OUR" country to fight "YOUR" war. I have reserved my anger towards the postings I see in here.
I am very sympathetic towards the fins for they kicked bellybutton with the numbers they fielded against the russians. Say whatever you want about our movie industry , but at least they are showing a movie about how the US changed history.
Sometimes I wish the countries that we helped would sit back and say you know if it wasn't for them our lives might not be so good right now. France should be kissing our tulips right now. Britain you are a close second. This is meant as no disrespect. But from what I have seen many lack the respect our country gave them for their freedoms today.
Judge as you want, pull your history book out. You cannot state the US did not bail you out. Wr will always be there for the lesser country. I am sure you little carpet monkeys are digging thru your novels of books trying to find a plausible account of the "BAD USA".
Last statement:
Grab your ankles and kiss your ass, when the US decides to not help you out.
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God Bless America ,
<S> I couldn't have said it better Sturm
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Generalisation again at work ...
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Excuse me, but can someone explain what the movie 'Pearl Harbour' has to do with war and reality?
I haven't had the chance to see the movie, but when I do (and if it sucks) I will give out my opinnion on it for sure.
All I'm asking is that are you sure you're not confusing movies to reality now?
Hollywood has produced a few good movies and even more utter crap. I'm hoping the movie you mentioned has not been ruined by typical hollywood cliches:
1) Excessive use of special effects while forgetting the storytelling
2) Politically correctly placing minorities in situations where they could NOT have been during the political situation of the time..
3) Romanticising the war
4) Making a forced happy ending even if it kills the whole idea and atmosphere of the movie (just to please the testing audience)
If Pearl Harbour manages to evade those hollywood attractions, it will have potential to be a very good movie no doubt.
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What sid said
Don't let your patriotism and love of freedom get in the way of our love of expressing our views about MOVIES.
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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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AG Sachsenberg, let me get this straight.
The US joins the war late, after it is attacked by the Axis. It then expects the countries that fought from the start to "kiss it's arse"
How about this. The US should kiss Britain's arse for defending it from the Nazi's when the US was incapable of fighting them in 1940 and 41? The US should kiss Britains arse for being the only country (with the commonwealth) that fought alone against the Nazi's when certain other countries were incapable or unwilling to do so.
The US did not enter the war to save anybody. At the time when Europe really needed saving, in 1940, the US did not enter the war. At the one point when Britain was in any real danger, summer 1940, the US did not enter the war. When the USSR was in danger in summer and autumn 1941, the US did not enter the war. In fact, the US only entered "our" war when they were attacked by first Japan, then Germany.
Judge as you want, pull your history book out. You cannot state the US did not bail you out.
The US contribution to the British war effort prior to 1941 was negligible. By that date, Britain had already beaten off a German invasion attempt. The Germans never came close again, and wouldn't have even without US involvement. Without the US the war would have lasted longer, and more people would have died. The end result would have been the same.
Thank you America for doing your part in the war. Thank you for fighting for all our freedom. How about some thanks from Americans for Britains contribution, for the Britons who died for YOUR freedom?
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Maybe Hollywood should show some respect to the Allies of the US in it's recent war movies... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Arguing over events that occurred sixty years ago is dysfunctional in the extreme. Move on.
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Forget it lads, the world is full of loud mouth yanks who seem to think they are the saviours of us all. Ya can't change their minds so don't bother trying. Just be thankful that there's an equal amount of sensibile Americans.....um, fairly sensible that is.
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Hm, well it has to be said that even though the Americans weren't officially in the war, the Soviets and britain would have been defeated had it not been for the supplies coming from the USA.
Nash does have some valid points though, if seen from the same light as the "we saved your tulips and are all altruistic and toejame" philosophy posts (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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not to mention that it was the British that tought the US industry how to organize and mass produce war material en masse. That was a VITAL advisory effort that made the US industry THE best war winning weapon.
The way I see it, the Allies owe the US for being the weapon that ended the war (albeit a weapon that came into being only after it, itself was attacked), and the US owes the other allied nations the fact that they held on ALONE for so long before that. If the Axis had taken Europe and the Pacific before the US entered the war, the US would without a doubt have fallen to the Axis within a few years. The US was in no position whatsoever to fight a mechanized army before it was forced into the war.. and without having time to arm itself and build its armed forces.
Imo, the one thing I believe the world really owes the US is taking over financial responsability of the reconstruction effort. Had this not be done, we would be in WW4 by now. The cycle of history was broken by that fact alone.
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Two words for you dude..."Lend Lease".
Now find someone in your country that actually lived through the war and ask them where all their fuel came from during the war (including most of the gas used by the RAF during BoB).
Years ago, I was a young american sailor on liberty in London. Several of us were eating lunch (in uniform) when an older gent made his way to our table.
"Thank you" he told us.
Turns out he served in the merchant marine during the war. He knew the truth. He told some great stories. Had two ships torpedoed out from under him. He was old and frail (this was the mid 80's) and missing most of his teeth, but we ended up spending most of the rest of that day just talking to him.
Too bad you never learned your own history. Shame on you.
Go study your own history before you come here casting stones. Your points are simply wrong. I suggest you start with some of Winston Churchill's (hope I spelled his name right) writings from the time.
-Smut
Originally posted by Nashwan:
The US did not enter the war to save anybody. At the time when Europe really needed saving, in 1940, the US did not enter the war. At the one point when Britain was in any real danger, summer 1940, the US did not enter the war. When the USSR was in danger in summer and autumn 1941, the US did not enter the war. In fact, the US only entered "our" war when they were attacked by first Japan, then Germany.
The US contribution to the British war effort prior to 1941 was negligible. By that date, Britain had already beaten off a German invasion attempt. The Germans never came close again, and wouldn't have even without US involvement. Without the US the war would have lasted longer, and more people would have died. The end result would have been the same.
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Nah, I just want to make you think about one thing, dude:
USA is --NOT-- the center of the Universe. Nor now, nor in the past, nor (hopefully and may god hear this) in the future.
It is a fine place,afine nation, with some fine people and some bad people, just as everywhere else. With beautiful places, and not so beautiful places. just as everywhere else. And with great things in your past, and with shameful things too...just as any other nation.
Nothing special about it. Many nations have had their "greatness" time, and that didnt made them the center of the universe.
Maybe someday you will understand it. There's still hope
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Let's not forget about the 50 years after WW2 too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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If anyone is interested in the origins of Sturm's apoplectic outburst, I suggest you read the thread 'Pearl Harbour Movie'. But I should think no one would be really that interested.
It seems Hollywood is above criticism especially when it makes films about WW2.
Sturm, I'll think you'll find most Europeans are grateful for the part the US played in liberating Europe. It doesn't need stating and it doesn't mean that forever more we should never criticise anything about something as transient as the Hollywood film industry. You are not only a joke, but you also belittle the achievements of the US - as if those that died would give a damn about Hollywood!?! So take your simpering, over-sentimental, misplaced vitriol and ever so quietly piss off.
Posts such as yours only serve to sow ill feeling where there need not be any; you piss on the graves of the British and Commonwealth men and women who gave their lives for the two years before the US even entered the war, by not even recognising their sacrifce to keep the world free. And then you complain of a non-recognition of the US sacrifice?!! How very, very ironic.
Regarding the US's position in 1939 - it had no real choice but to 'wait and see' - Great Britain HAD to show that it could stand on its own two feet. But it did and then the US made a deeply noble move by coming to our aid. But how could it let a force such as Nazism exist in the world? It couldn't and it didn't.
And if anything 'saved' Great Britain it was the damned channel. Without that the Wehrmacht would have been eating scones and tea at Buckingham Palace lend-lease or not.
I'm glad most Americans aren't as myopic as yourself or, for that matter, so vain.
Sturm's IQ is 171.
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(Sets up grill, plunks down cooler of cold ones, opens for business.)
Great thread! Keep it going! I'll be able to retire on the profits from this little hot dog stand.
So far, some incredible BS is flying around, slung by all sides.
Look out! Incoming! SPLAT!!
(Note to self, better get a good umbrella up fast.)
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So far, some incredible BS is flying around, slung by all sides.
Do us all a favour, Toad, and descend from your ivory tower (complete with aforementioned hot-dog stand) and point out to us mere mortals the error of our ways?
Please?
And I promise never to criticise any kind of film industry you happen to set-up afterwards.
Did I mention I'm willing to grovel? Thanks, oh great one.
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Let's take a quick side step for a minute and try a "thought" experiment. Let's say that Hitler and his allies overran the "free" world.
How would that have played out fifty years later?
Let's see the citizens in the U.S., U.K. and other countries would be groaning under the fiscal yoke of a bloated, corrupt, fascist regime; a government that controlled the media and pried into the private life of its citizens through satellite and electronic eavesdropping and by placing cameras on every street corner.
We'd have a totally corrupt 3rd world legal system where money determines innocence and thirteen year old children are tried as adults.
We'd have state sponsored killing of minority and retarded citizens.
Whoa.
We have this scenario now!
Never mind. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Smut, the Lend Lease act was not passed until March 41. Prior to that date, all supplies Britain recieved had to be paid for in advance, in US dollars or gold. No credit.
Lend Lease ws only instituted after Britain had already used almost all it's gold and dollar reserves. That provided a huge boost to the US economy. Perhaps American's should kiss Britain's arse for saving their economy too?
Britain bought a lot of fuel from America, but also got a lot from the Carribean, Dutch East Indies, Middle East etc.
Smut, I do know my history. Perhaps you and Sachsenberg could go and learn some world history, then perhaps you may stop attributing all the achievements of various countries in WW2 solely to the US.
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Nah, Dowding, I'm sitting this one out My day to wash the marble floors in the tower; Mother's Day and all. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I've watched (and participated in a few of) these "did not" - "did too" threads for nearly two years.
Nothing is ever solved, no one changes their initial opinion. So... might as well sell some dogs and suds.
However, I do enjoy some of the "fractured fairy-tales" that result (those of you who watched Rocky & Bullwinkle as kids will know this reference).
So, please continue. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Udie, hard to forget about all the US nukes aimed at my home city...
From what mr. Bush said I understand they still are.
And please, don't forget that US fought in WWII for it's own political and economical benefit, not for independance or even the very existance of it's people...
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With respect,
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the fact is Britain declared war on Germany and didn't have the sack to back it up. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
in north Africa they did ok against the Italians (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) but after d-day the fact was the us had to hold up its advance so they wouldn't embarrass the brits. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
on your knees tea sippers give thanks and praise to good 'ole uncle sam (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
the last Brit general even worth a crap was Wellington and even he struggled to defeat a broken Napolean (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Seriously though the Soviet Union had more to do with the defeat of Germany then any one else. Ami and tommy casualties combined did not come close to the losses the Soviets had during Stalingrad. The Soviet drive would not have stopped. The ami tommy invasion in France only hastened the inevitable. After 42 ww2 ceased to be a war of Nazi aggression and turned to a war to defend Europe from the red menace. US English involvement ensured at least not all of Europe would be handed to the Soviets. As for sacrifice whether they were "forced" to fight the Soviets paid the price for the allied victory.
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Im Auftrage der Reichsbahn
(By order of the State Railway)
Pray not for an end to the slaughter...but for VICTORY!!!
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Originally posted by Nashwan:
Smut, I do know my history. Perhaps you and Sachsenberg could go and learn some world history, then perhaps you may stop attributing all the achievements of various countries in WW2 solely to the US.
LOL dude, where did I say anything like that? The allied victory was a team effort.
In fact it was you that said:
Originally posted by Nashwan:
Without the US the war would have lasted longer, and more people would have died. The end result would have been the same.
This is what I was responding to.
Doubtful, IMHO. The Brits were certainly in no position to invade the the continent, and never would have been able to on thier own. Without US material and support, North Africa would have been lost. Even Monty admitted that.
Perhaps Hitler would have eventually been defeated by the Soviet Union. However, without the US England would have slowly starved to death. Indeed, England was still starving for years after the war, and they were on the winning side!
Remember the U-boats? How were they defeated dude? By the Royal Navy, in ships built solely in England? How many ships were built in England during the course of the entire war...hmmmm?
With England bottled up, Hitler could have concentrated more on the USSR, and most likely Moscow would have fallen. Consider that had that happened, the Japanese were prepared to invade from the east, possible even delaying Pearl Harbor...certainly changing the course of the war in the Pacific.
How would Japan have been defeated without the US? Or Italy, for that matter?
No matter. If you honestly believe WW2 could have been won by the allies without US involvement, than there is no point debating you...because you aren't living in the real world.
-Smut
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LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD again eh ?
get a life AG
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Toad - hehehe, you have a point. But I can't seem to stop being sucked in by these troll-merchants. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Wotan, you are yankee scum and you're opinion isn't worth a brass farthing. How dare you pour scorn on the Iron Duke - he was the greatest general the world has ever seen! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
He defeated about 15,000 French heavy cavalry and the Imperial Guard (regarded as the toughest and most disciplined troops in he world at the time), all in one day!!. And god needed 7 days to create the Earth! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
But I don't think enough credit is given to his right-hand man, Richard Sharpe. Bernard Cornwell details his exploits against the French in about 20 volumes of a truly monumental historic work. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Sturmp, Piss off...... clear enough fer ya ?
Poeple with brains the size of yours should shut up, once & for all...
[edited out] => extremely bad mood yesterday, sorry'bout that (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Saw
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if you think that without the united states in the war the allies still would have won you are smoking some pretty good crack
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Yeah, it's pretty funny.
If you brag about your "accomplishments" (regardless of whether they exist) and demand that everyone praise you for them, nobody will.
Personally, I agree with Sturm. Don't be fooled by the history books -- We won that war; we are at the moment the only economic and military superpower in the world. The problem with those amazinhunks from the other piddling countries in the world is that they're not subservient enough to us.
Why the hell do you think the Statue of Liberty exists? To show those silly Old-worlders exactly WHERE ON THE MAP is MAN CAN BREATHE THE AIR OF FREEDOM! No hidebound Old World country would even dream of making such a thing!
You don't like Hollywood? Stick it up your pretentious little Euro-noses! Cinema and culture are antithetical, it's time you pompous old-world gasbags realized that movies exist to make money, not dull bourgeois intellectualizing chit-chat over some gawd-awful mess of organ meat and grape juice!
You want to have a dinner conversation? Talk about our latest American TV programs, like Big Brother! And stop calling it dinner, dammit! It's "McMeal", you snobs!
Pearl Harbor (and not Harbour you sniveling little limeys who think you're better because you spell American differently!) will be an Awesome movie! Just like Titanic made a love story out of a disaster, and showed how America killed that silly European class system to make US the only TRUE LAND OF THE FREE! Pearl Harbor will kick ASS! (not Arse, sneezebags) It'll show how a dastardly act awoke a sleeping giant, and called America to its Divine Mission of Saving the World, and securing Peace and Freedom for ALL. They'll also be a love story.
The movie's gonna blow the doors off Cinecite' faster than a Corsican bomb! Yet the bloated European socialist states will bemoan it as a "disaster to culture" and pour more money down the toilet making dismal little black and white "films" about the neuroses of railway workers in the 1970s! Can you believe that? Instead of thanking us for a poignant reminder of where Freedom was born, Equality comes from, and Brotherly Love, they'll be squeaking and hawing about the death of culture. And WE even go to the trouble to put these great movies in THEIR language! Come on guys! there ain't enough black shirts and Gitanes in the world to make your so-called "Culture" succeed!
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I though that was a bit much even for Sturm.
Seems to me the war was fought by several countries and all of them paid thier dues. I think that your retoric Sturm is disgusting and does nothing but dishonor those who fought and died.
Did the USA make a difference...Hell yeah! Did they save the world single handed......Hell no!
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Agreed Skernsk.
Sturmie seems a little quiet. His next post (if there is one) is likely to reveal that he was actually 'joking' and that we should all lighten up.
He'll probably include a fair number of these: (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Haven't seen the movie yet but I'm sure it will be another HOLLYWOOD production (but with cool AC)
oh!!! <SALUTE> ALL ALLIES ,, there is NO winning side to a war , some just lose less .
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Hey Toad, 2 and hold the mustard, OK?
I am utterly amazed at the lack of knowledge apparent on all sides in this episode of the Springer Show!
Everyone with half a brain knows that, if not for the Australians, the US West of the Mississippi would be speaking Japanese and East of it speaking German instead of us all having to learn some hispanic language to survive here.
Get over it, we got in the war when it was absolutely necessary and we fed the remains when it was over, we are good guys.
They fought it for awhile before we got in because their prewar leaders screwed the pooch, they are good guys.
(except perhaps the Fren....nevermind.)
Dammit Toad, I busted a tooth here, did you check these dogs for chicken teeth?
Yer gettin' the dental bill for that one Toad and if ya do not pay it promptly I will sue you for more than most European Countries GNP and, since we live in the U.S., I will likely win.
Then I will buy grand houses in all the offending European countries, 2 in France and just go around pissing them off by being there.
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
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Originally posted by Wotan:
but after d-day the fact was the us had to hold up its advance so they wouldn't embarrass the brits. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And i'd love it see how that advance would look like if it wasn't for a eastern front.
26 Million dead folks. To this day Holocaust with it's 6 million dead is used as a staggering number. Multiply it by 4 and add 2 more. 26 million lives sacrificed while US was "getting ready" to "win the war".
Land lease, D day, bombing... very nice. If it wasn't for Russians griding down the German war machine with their blood and sweat, none of it would matter folks.
And please don't violate the memory of those people by saying that they did it for Stalin.
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Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
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308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF
Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998
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"Why the hell do you think the Statue of Liberty exists? To show those silly Old-worlders exactly WHERE ON THE MAP is MAN CAN BREATHE THE AIR OF FREEDOM! No hidebound Old World country would even dream of making such a thing!"
Do I even need to say it??
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Funny thread.
MY DAD CAN KICK YOUR DADS ASS
OH NO! MY DAD WINS
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You are now the proud owner of a 13-year-old leaky Coleman cooler, a rusted out Weber grill, 3lbs of melting ice, one half-finished Old Milwaukee, 2 Hormel "Chicken Beak Dogs", three slightly green hot dog buns and an expired certificate from the Internet Board of Health.
Please let us know when you intend to pick up these items which are being held at the warehouse near Yuma, Arizona.
Thanks,
Dewey, Cheatem & Howe
Attorneys
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'We'd have a totally corrupt 3rd world legal system where money determines innocence and thirteen year old children are tried as adults'
Umm.. some countries already do. And 13 year olds SHOULD be tried as adults. Youth crime is getting out of hand because the juvenile criminals know exactly they can't be tried for their crimes.
And Dinger: Where were you from? Correct me if I'm wrong, but your comment was rhethoric enough to make me laugh =) Or then again, they might have been unintended mistakes..
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Originally posted by Toad:
(Sets up grill, plunks down cooler of cold ones, opens for business.)
Great thread! Keep it going! I'll be able to retire on the profits from this little hot dog stand.
So far, some incredible BS is flying around, slung by all sides.
Look out! Incoming! SPLAT!!
(Note to self, better get a good umbrella up fast.)
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haha ditto that man........... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Toad:
(Sets up grill, plunks down cooler of cold ones, opens for business.)
Great thread! Keep it going! I'll be able to retire on the profits from this little hot dog stand.
So far, some incredible BS is flying around, slung by all sides.
Look out! Incoming! SPLAT!!
(Note to self, better get a good umbrella up fast.)
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Joining Toad and fish in the backyard BBQ,
Grabs a chair, cracks a cold beer open. Woohoo this one looks like a scorcher. Anyone know who started it? And why is everyone looking at me all pissed off? Anyway keep it up this is some good readin. Amazing what you can concoct when you are drunk.
Can someone pass me the night crawlers? I seem to be out of them right now. "Ziiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnngggggg" This shouldn't take to long to catch a big one. "feels tug on the line" Holy toejam this is a big one!! Jesus this has got to be a Carcaritan Dowdingitus, look at the teeth on this sucka. Scrappy lil feller.
<grabs wooden plank> "Whack"
Whoo didn't think he would ever stop strugglin. You all may continue now.
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As always lots of extremely biased replies while (again) as always the truth lies in the middle......
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Ok here goes.
The "Lend Lease" program. Lease? As in we hadda pay for it......and we shreckin well did as well. In fact we ran outta cash to pay for all these wonderful (!) US destroyers and tanks and whatever. Roosevelt even sent a ship to South Africa to pick up several billion pounds worth of British gold to pay for all this crap. There were no freebies, we payed for everything.
Major British companies in America were sold off and liquidated.
Lord Beaverbrook (in charge of war production in Britain) once said "I dont know if I'm more scared of the Luftwaffe or the American Federal reserve".
So next time someone helps you up when you've fallen over......if he's American he'll probably ask for cash first.
Did Britain charge rent for all the airbases the USAAF used? nope. Bloody yanks would have.
I dunno, these bloody yanks sell us all their overrated and overpriced junk that their own military doesnt want and then they expect thanks for it!
So here's my message to all you Americans who seem to believe you won the war:
Get off your fat, hamburger eating arse and get down the library to read a book, assuming your trailer park has one.
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I am truly amazed and disappointed... I used to believe that this community at 99% stands on very high moral, polite and intelligent level....
Very many replies to this post (post itself included) made me feel very angry.... I don't expect you to care for my feelings, yet I had to say that...
I know that my reply to tons and I mean TONS of BS posted here will burn in flames and I really don't want it - its my anger speaking..
So holding my breath I will say only one thing:
- What Fd Ski says... (thx man for being there, and being so polite)
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Yah yah Hoorah and everything but....
Nash does have some valid points though, if seen from the same light as the "we saved your tulips and are all altruistic and toejame" philosophy posts.
Neg neg NEG... It's NashWAN.... Not me.
It's good 'ol trusty bait this stuff here... but I'd never bite at something like this.
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Oh, you were drunk AG?
How very, very convenient.
Basically, you don't have the balls to back up your assertions, and when you get a bit of flak you concoct some piss-poor excuse.
Nice one.
And swoop - well said old son.
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Dammit Toad, first sign of a little adversity ya drag out yer Lawyers!
I was tempted to settle but the half empty beer was warm and those lawyer scum forgot to mention the $3,437 in delinquant storage fees.
I will just chisel a new tooth out of some wood I got stored out behind the trailer.
I got a idea how you can get rid of a buncha dogs and perform a public service at the same time though.
Just sell them at cost to the Europeans watching here and give them to the Europeans posting.
That way both groups will have something constructive to do, ie; picking chicken teeth and broken bits of their own out of their mouths and those actually posting will be too busy to type.
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
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*swims into thread, looks at sorry assed nightcrawler on the hook, laffs and swims away again*
Hey, Sweet Pea?! Crawl under the trailer and git me another hunnerd pounds of that ammonium nitrate fer-ti-li-zur, willya? The gawd dammed UN's gittin uppity agin! If ya need me, I'll be in the car-port at the hot dog stand. I smell Old Milwaukee!
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Essence of thread:
Post 1: YOU EURO'S SHUT THE diddly UP! US A USA USA! USA NUMBER ONE! USA LEADER AND DEFENDER OF THE FREE WORLD, AND GOD'S PLACE ON EARTH!
I say this because you critizized a movie about pearl harbour. The USA was in it; hence, any critique of it is critique of the US!
Post 2-24: Oh, how jolly good old chap. Now, you little git, piss off
Post 25-30: Euros are no good stinking losers
30-60: oh, get off your high horse, stupid ignorant uneducated American.
61-90, 91-120;
<both sides> NER NER NER NEEER NER
Heh.
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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://stsantas.tripod.com/stsanta.jpg)
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Any 'dogs left? I'd like one Chicago-style, with onions, relish, tomatoes, pepperoncini peppers, and celery salt, and a 20 oz. schooner of suds please.
Thanks in advance,
Mk
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And please, don't forget that US fought in WWII for it's own political and economical benefit, not for independance or even the very existance of it's people...
OH please..have another glass of vodka and stoke your fire. Only thing good about Moscow is the endless selection of your females avaible for import. O - Yeah the Vodka, but that goes without saying.
LaVa
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Originally posted by Dowding:
Oh, you were drunk AG?
How very, very convenient.
Basically, you don't have the balls to back up your assertions, and when you get a bit of flak you concoct some piss-poor excuse.
Nice one.
And swoop - well said old son.
TO be honest I could care a rats bellybutton less if I recieve any flak. I just love messing with you people for you over react on the slightest whim. And if it is a subject with a touchy nature it is even better.
We were on RW last night cracking up about this post. Keep on posting this is some good readin. Might want to duck every now and then from all the toejam being flung in this one whoo.
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LaVa, we don't need any imported women, we have enough pretty girls here, unlike in villages Americans call "towns".
Just curious - what answer did you expect? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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With respect,
Pavel Pavlov,
Commissar 25th IAP WB VVS
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Dammit Mk10=Ravens, whatcha think this is, a high class flamefest?
Ya get it on a soggy bun and you bring yer own condiments and toothpicks just like the rest of us!
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
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Originally posted by AG Sachsenberg:
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Just a few minor corrections from a fellow-US citizen.
If you so much as say toejam about the movie Pearl Harbor...
The fact that US could fight a good war 60 years ago does not have anything to do with quality of Holliwood movies today.
...Never recieving Recognition for saving our "allies" tulips in WW2...
Hard to tell that without living in a country. US contribution to the war was greatly understated in the USSR.
...I am very sympathetic towards the fins for they kicked bellybutton with the numbers they fielded against the russians...
If by "kicked ass" you mean "won major victory", that is not entirely the case. In the Winter War fins defended long-prepared positions against russians in the winter campaign and were defeated with casualty ratio quite common for that kind of operation. There were more russians tehre, but any offence requires minimum 4:1 advantage and winter is much more benfitial to the defender.
France should be kissing our tulips right now...
French spent more time in WWII fighting brits on the german's side then other way around. According to some sources they seemed to be more pissed off with brits then with germans. If not for political tricks involving newly-created french government in exile, France might have had as well ended on the defeated side.
The fact that some of our countrymen participated in the war 60 years ago does not mean that USA today is entitled to any respect. This country is quite different now then it was at that time.
If we want respect for US now you and me should work for it ourselves. Why would you care though? A slaver state is in UN Human Rights Council and US out tells you a lot of what anybody's opinion is worth.
We will see if people like the Pearl Harbor movie by the revenues it raises. If we cannot get any respect for our veterans, at least some studio owners will make money on their memory...
miko
[This message has been edited by miko2d (edited 05-14-2001).]