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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: funked on May 12, 2001, 02:10:00 PM
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I'm madder than an Italian with a soggy meatball over all the hubbub about how they run their jails up in the great state of Tennessee.
Seems a warden had the brilliant idea to let the jailbirds have some fun and fight in the prison yard just like gladiators in ancient Rome and the movies, with shields and swords and that spikey ball they swing over their heads and throw at each other.
And not only was it good exercise for the inmates, but from what I understand, the guards got a well-deserved break from prison routine while watching the fights.
And according to reports, a good time was had by all.
But now some crybaby spoiled sports are whining and complaining that this was inhuman, cruel, and, in the words of one Goody-Two-Shows, "just plain terrible."
How in the world could anyone not like the idea of a bunch of criminals fighting like gladiators? That's what the ancient Romans and Greeks used to do and they weren't barbarians -- they were the Founding Fathers of civilization, for crying out loud.
I say we should televise these fights so everyone can see them. A show called Prison Gladiators would be the hottest thing on the boob tube since Gunsmoke and The Donna Reed Show.
It would be like championship wrestling without all the talking and shouting between matches.
And give the prisoners something to fight for if you really want a good show. Have a tournament and let the winner cut a year off his jail time. And we could give the runner-up an extra slice of bread to go with his water in the cafeteria line.
If you're one of those squeamish types who don't like violence, then you can just turn the channel to the fashion network or the public stations that show all those fancy British sitcoms like Mystery Theater and Benny Hinn.
Everyone will be happy. Gladiator prison fights will give criminals a chance to pay their debt to society and make something good of themselves while giving the rest of us something entertaining to watch and argue and fight about at work the next day.
Let the fun begin!
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:::chuckles::: Got watch the film "Series 7", Funked.
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the debate would never even come up if we would just execute more of them in the first place.
i dont agree with making up games for them - there should be no enjoyment in prison - it should be a place of suffering and regret. instead lets just move them from verdict to lethal injection without all the b.s.
the fish system:
-pronounced guilty on monday
-tuseday a panel looks at your request for appeal and unless there's a note from jesus, no appeal is granted.
- wednesday executed. no fanfare just pull the plug.
lower the qualifications for the death penalty too - any murder, repeat felons, certain rape cases, etc. innocent people might get caught up unjustly without the lengthy appeal process but so what. 2 inncoents die and 1000 guilties are gone. now its the other way around 1000 guilties back on the streets to protect 2 innocents.
noble for 1776 and all but today's problems and population aren't those of the 18th century. then we increase sentences for violence and crimes against person and stop jailing drug addicts for cryin out loud!
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...certain rape cases...
Rape cases are notorious for miscarriages of justice and women claiming rape because of spite. And the sad thing is, many raped women are so traumatized by the incident that they cannot report it. But how would you be 100% sure you had the right man?
Clearly you don't really care:
...innocent people might get caught up unjustly without the lengthy appeal process but so what. 2 inncoents die and 1000 guilties are gone...
Heh, I wonder what you'd say if YOU were charged with a crime you didn't commit? How would you deal with that? Losing your freedom unjustly is one thing, losing your life is something else entirely.
Crime and punishment will always be a problem, but how can you deny someone the basic human right to appeal on a judgement?
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dowding:
question 1:
surprised with all your wits you didn't pickup on the "certain" part. ie: bum kidnaps little girl on the way to school and scars her for life and gets caught in the act. the word certain implies a host of preconditions. otherwise every angry jane would have sex with some guy to get him killed. read better my friend, dont assume i skipped the obvious.
question 2:
no i don't care. the current system looses more innocent people through putting repeat offenders back on the streets and guilty people released on silly technicalities than it would through occasional miscarriages of justice.
and if it were me - what an inevitable question, oh well i would be a martyr for the greater good and we all gotta go anyway. also how many times have these innocent people falsely accused really been free of all suspicion? we place too much emphasis on idividual rights these days. the homeless have a right to sleep at the bottom of my stairs and defecate on the sidewalk in front of my place. at least thats what the cops tell me when i can actually get ahold of them. the society i see around me suffers because of the overt attention to the individual - he anything goes - aint no wrong aint no right culture of relativity - i fully support measures that work for the good of the whole - but that's not in our 18th century political system is it. sure am glad the british arent quartered in my house whew.....also it is so nice to have taxation with representation. i mean i want less tax each election period but no matter who i vote for they go up. how much representation do i really have? the other taxes are just disguised - i mean what is registration? i paid 3,000 when i bought my car and 300 a year for what? slaes tax, bridge toll, you name it and i still have to pay my way thru school and provide my own health care. the constitution was meant to prevent gross miscarriages of justice from a monarch- i dont think our founding fathers would support this rotting irresponsible and spineless culture we've created.
EDIT: and p.s. dowding, where do you live anyway.....britain?! I bet we have more murders in san francisco alone this year than your whole country and ireland, denmark and finland have in a year. we had 19 murders in the first 6 mos of last year - i've known us to have 4 in one night. that's just one city in a country of crime ridden cities. and that's just the actual homicides - that doesnt count the sea of injured and disabled people in beatings shootings stabbings and knifings. come live on my block for a while.
[This message has been edited by mrfish (edited 05-12-2001).]
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Maybe they could use wet noodles for whippings as well. I think the worst thing would be the loser having to have sex with Liberache "Spl?" The dead musical gay guy. I would pay to watch criminals beating the hell out of each other.
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Originally posted by AG Sachsenberg:
Maybe they could use wet noodles for whippings as well.
I think the worst thing would be the loser having to have sex with Liberache "Spl?" The dead musical gay guy.
I would pay to watch criminals beating the hell out of each other.
Um. Yeah. You must fly LW. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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lower the qualifications for the death penalty too - any murder, repeat felons, certain rape cases, etc. innocent people might get caught up unjustly without the lengthy appeal process but so what. 2 inncoents die and 1000 guilties are gone. now its the other way around 1000 guilties back on the streets to protect 2 innocents.
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Sorry, but I'm against the death penalty, especially for rape - it's too easy for a woman to falsely accuse a man. The legal system here is very female-biased anyway, but that's a different matter.
I would, however, propose solitary confinement for life.
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qts
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Originally posted by qts:
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lower the qualifications for the death penalty too - any murder, repeat felons, certain rape cases, etc. innocent people might get caught up unjustly without the lengthy appeal process but so what. 2 inncoents die and 1000 guilties are gone. now its the other way around 1000 guilties back on the streets to protect 2 innocents.
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Sorry, but I'm against the death penalty, especially for rape - it's too easy for a woman to falsely accuse a man. The legal system here is very female-biased anyway, but that's a different matter.
I would, however, propose solitary confinement for life.
and i'll repeat to you what i said to dowding.....
"surprised with all your wits you didn't pickup on the "certain" part. ie: bum kidnaps little girl on the way to school and scars her for life and gets caught in the act.the word certain implies a host of preconditions. otherwise every angry jane would have sex with some guy to get him killed. read better my friend, dont assume i skipped the obvious."
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What's with attitude Mr. Fish? There was nothing personal in my post.
*Very* few crimes are as clean cut as the one you describe. And crimes like rape are often one person's word against another, which is surely not very useful if you are wanting to kill people based on that evidence.
As for where I come from - Britain - the homicide rate is much lower than the US. But the chance of being attacked is not far off yours. Where I come from, Barnsley, getting into a fight is easier than getting a drink at 10:55 on a Friday night. I've been in two already this year - and I only go out 3-4 times a month and I'm not some tough guy who goes out looking for a fight. My cousin has fared even worse, and has was pretty badly beaten up last year. It's certainly not Harlem, but its not really what you describe either.
...what an inevitable question, oh well i would be a martyr for the greater good and we all gotta go anyway.
I don't believe you. It's as simple as that.
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Sure... I'm with ya... might even be entertaining... first, you have to release all the victimless criminals. Today is a good day to end the drug war.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM:
Sure... I'm with ya... might even be entertaining... first, you have to release all the victimless criminals. Today is a good day to end the drug war.
Yup, that's about 50% of the prison inmates right there. Half of them are users, the other half might be dealers or run meth factories.
Can't believe they throw people in jail for screwing themselves over...
-SW
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Originally posted by Mr. T:
Can't believe they throw people in jail for screwing themselves over...
-SW
Believe it! Remember, it is not a crime to commit suicide but it is a crime if you try it and fail (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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OhNooo
smile awhile
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Originally posted by MrBill:
Believe it! Remember, it is not a crime to commit suicide but it is a crime if you try it and fail (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Understood... but some of them things people get thrown in jail for... gotta question the reasoning behind it. I mean marijuana of all things... really... that's a bit of the extreme doncha think? (done my time)
-SW
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Originally posted by Mr. T:
Understood... but some of them things people get thrown in jail for... gotta question the reasoning behind it. I mean marijuana of all things... really... that's a bit of the extreme doncha think? (done my time)
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Cuz the man wants to control the system. Mary jane has so many proven points on why it is good it is funny as to why they will not manufacture it. Remove the THC and it is a normal plant. To me Pot is less harmful then drinking. Answer this one, how many potheads do you see getting violent in public? WHo would you be moer scared of someone smokign a joint behind the wheel or someone who has been drinking?
Pot smoker will be driving slower and more careful looking for the man trying to bust him. I fear a drunk more at a bar then a stoner. Which one is more likely to outburst into violence?
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The following is my opinion on the three subjects in this post: jails drugs and "games" for convicted criminals.
Jails, I believe that jails should come in three flavors, minor, major and death row. Minor jails are for, first time, NON VIOLENT, offenders, maybe tougher than the jails as they exist today, but basically a place to "pay your debt" without becoming a love object, plenty of counseling and all the rest of the rehab deemed necessary by those whom believe that this is necessary.
Major jails are for repeat offenders and violent offenders, it would be run similar to a military prison but stricter and under military ("your bellybutton belongs to me now, Maggot") NOT civilian rules, each inmates offense and sentence would be displayed above their cell doors for all to see. One hot meal a day, no gyms, no TV, no conjugal visits, no frills whatsoever. Every effort would be made to make this place a living hell without physical brutality. The object is that NO one ever wishes to get back in here to be protected from the rigors of everyday life.
Death row is pretty self explanatory.
You may note that there is no facility for lifers (I see no rhyme or reason to keep a Charles Manson around), I am personally torn between "Devils Island" and no sentences over 10 years. The reason being if someone serves 10 years in a major prison and wishes to commit another crime then they need a level 3 sentence, no repeat major jails inmates.
Drugs: I do not advocate legalizing drugs but I do believe that the problem will become very minor if we take out the profit. Spend the "war on drugs" money to manufacture them and give them away to those who are addicted. We should not give them to people who are not users or people who just want to try them this one time, but any addict could run into any local clinic and get a free fix whenever they needed one. Would this work? I don't know but it sure would take the profit out of the equation for the current manufactures. No more profit in getting new users hooked. I can just see the civil rights people crying about the loss of jobs now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Gladiatorial combat for death row inmates: Well, I think the pay per view rights would prolly pay for the whole prison system.
All the above is just my opinion, no more or less valid than anyone else's,
I could be wrong, in some cases I hope I am wrong.
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OhNooo
smile awhile
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Louisiana has the annual "Prison Rodeo" which in the 60's drew about 500 people, its now selling 10,000 tickets or so a year...very successful for lifetime term inmates. It gives them something to 'live' for, and from my understanding, is quite successful for all.
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The Roman Empire was considered to be barbaric in the way it glorified in gladiatorial combat.
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Three words:
The Longest Yard
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Baron Von Fat
BW3 54th "Hot Wings" (http://fdb.50megs.com)
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Sorry but criminals are just that. They find joy in killing others, well turn the tides on them and see how they like having someone trying to kill them all the time. I have no pity for these people. Granted we have a system that is messed up. I think it would be fitting for the criminals with crimes against humans. Ie murderers, rapist's, molesters, and such.
Cheap entertainment and we could thin out these prison systems a little bit. I would pay to see it. Hell we love movies like Bloodsport or Gladiator. Make it real.
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okay to be honest, i didnt read most of the posts above, i already know what they say..
my opinion is that get rid of jails all together..fine i refuse to turn right when driving, but i just dont see jails as usefull establishments...
as far as im concerned jails are crime schools and only promote violence and deviant behavior...of course renforced by our 'lex talionis' society.. fediddle no one is listening and y'all will call me a left wing chithead...no use typing anymore
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Originally posted by loser:
...and y'all will call me a left wing chithead...no use typing anymore
you are right