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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Mr Big on June 06, 2006, 09:41:37 PM
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Is there a way to post rebutals to Drifty's site? He'd be easy to have fun with.
this post was meant as a reply, not a new post. Can't delete it.
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d r i f t g l a s s (http://driftglass.blogspot.com/)
Yeah Nuke - in the comments button thingy under each post. You just select "anonymous" as your username and away you go. No signing up, no nothing. Yer able to post a comment, like, now.
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Well, ya managed to get it locked. Ya happy now? How about another "Gay Marriage - Why I really hate the Repubs" double thread?
That was cool.
Let's do it again!!!
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I did?...
It's amazing how two people can see the exact same thing and....
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Well, not because of you...but the double entendre thing you did with the thread. Titled "Gay Marriage..." but was really a knock on the Pres doing a misdirection. And then 3 pages of utter chaos. Man, it was a good ride...sorta.
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DiabloTX ehh don't think you wanna say gay marriage and good ride in the same reply.... Do ya?
Bronk
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Eh, why not...another double entendre....OMG
I am not...am I?
runs away....
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It was called "Gay marriage - why"..... which was a thread about asking the "whys" of this gay marriage debate - why it was happening again, and why it was happening now. Which I did, while trying to give my own interpretation
Others started delving into the whole "is it even kosher" thing which has been done a million times. That's fine, but just because that's where it ended up going doesn't mean that's where it started.
It sounds like you're trying to accuse me of trying to hyjack my own thread, from my very first post. That would be one hell of a first. :)
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:lol :lol
Bronk
Edit: meant for diablo's reply.
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Originally posted by Nash
It sounds like you're trying to accuse me of trying to hyjack my own thread, from my very first post. That would be one hell of a first. :)
(http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/north-america/canada/images/canadian-flag.jpg)
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All of a sudden, out of nowhere, and apropos of nothing, same-sex marriage is once again on the agenda, and Bush starts giving speeches on teh ghey today, pressing for the Senate to amend the constitution to define marriage as the union between a man and a woman
That's the very FIRST sentence of your post. The title of which is "Gay Marriage - Why?"
So what is it? Gay marriage or Bush? (shut up Bronk!)
Surely you can see how it could be seen as both a politcial AND a social comment on your behalf?
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Is this really that hard to understand?
If I had a problem with gay marriage, I'd say:
"I think it's terrible that...."
If I thought gay marriage was the bestest, I'd say:
"What is so wrong with...."
And if I wanted to comment on the day's events, namely Bush stirring up an amendment to the Constitution barring gay marriages, I might say:
"All of a sudden, out of nowhere, and apropos of nothing, same-sex marriage is once again on the agenda, and Bush starts giving speeches on teh ghey today, pressing for the Senate to amend the constitution to define marriage as the union between a man and a woman."
Whoah...
That's exactly what I did say.....
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
So what is it? Gay marriage or Bush?
Well my choice would be Bush.
Sorry couldn't resist.
:D
Bronk
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;) Thanks rpm.
I like the look of that thing.
Cheers.
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Originally posted by Nash
Is this really that hard to understand?
If I had a problem with gay marriage, I'd say:
"I think it's terrible that...."
If I thought gay marriage was the bestest, I'd say:
"What is so wrong with...."
And if I wanted to comment on the day's events, namely Bush stirring up an amendment to the Constitution barring gay marriages, I might say:
"All of a sudden, out of nowhere, and apropos of nothing, same-sex marriage is once again on the agenda, and Bush starts giving speeches on teh ghey today, pressing for the Senate to amend the constitution to define marriage as the union between a man and a woman."
Whoah...
That's exactly what I did say.....
Ummm, ok. I see your point (SHUDDUP BRONK!!!!!!!!!!!!)
But here's mine.
The way you stated it with that first sentence, to me, seemed to be you were saying Bush acknowledges a certain amount of bad media coverage (insert war on terrorism/immigration/constitutionality of anit-terrorism techniques) and decides to do a misdirection by, out of nowhere, bring up the gay marriage issue. It's probably just me but that's the way I saw it.
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Diablo looking at his point is one thing ... But showing him yours????!!!!!!?!??
/looks all around/
The line must be around here some place.
Bronk
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It's the opening salvo of the midterm diversionary tactic by the Republicans.
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Originally posted by rpm
It's the opening salvo of the midterm diversionary tactic by the Republicans.
Exactly. That's what I thought was Nash's whole point.
Grrrr...shuddup Bronk.
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Sorry it is late and I have had a few beers.
Bronk
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Exactly. That's what I thought was Nash's whole point.
Are we even in the same dimension?
Yes,.... that was my point. That's what I intended, and that's what you seem to have taken away from it. All's good, so far, right?
So what's this "double entendre thing" that you're accusing me of, and where's the problem?
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Nevermind. It's best we let it rest. I can see this would be one of those threads where'd we go round and round (suddup Bronk...) and after 5 pages we'd still be not understanding.
Cool?
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Hmm round and round .
That like a circle j..... never mind.
:D
Bronk
Edit: missed a letter
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.... and the gang. No worries. :)
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Well, tried to comment on drifty's site just now. Click the "comments" section and got a message that the blog was down for maintainence.
Drifty seems to be the type of person who feels that he can't articulate a point, or say what he means without spewing a chitlooad of worthless words for the "color" effect.
In other words, he's a blowhard who can't just get to the point and say something factual or opinionated and be done with it.
Lazs is a great example of what Drifty is could be, if only Drifty had the ballz to just say what he means and get to the point. Let the chips fall where they may.
Instead, Drifty has to ramble on and try to be "interesting", which is fine I guess. It just makes him sound like an idiot.
I don't think he is an idiot though. Mayby a clown is a better description.
Well, my idea for a responce to drifty was comment a little about his arguments/rants and then to try get him to come to the AH BBS and argue a point. Let's see what Drifty can do here. Let's see if he has a piont at all about anything, other than ranting like a woman on the internet.
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Originally posted by Mr Big
In other words, he's a blowhard who can't just get to the point and say something factual or opinionated and be done with it.
He's a Liberal Limbaugh.
Which isn't saying much.
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They might operate in the same manner, but I wouldn't give that much credit to 'Ol Drifty :)
I'd be amazed if any liberal could have a radio talk show that people actually listened to.
The problem being that the liberal "message" just does not sit well with most people.
Drifty operates a spewage system.
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Originally posted by Mr Big
Drifty operates a spewage system.
So does Limbaugh. The fact that he has a radio program simply means he spews over a wider area. Spew is spew, nonetheless.
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Originally posted by Toad
So does Limbaugh. The fact that he has a radio program simply means he spews over a wider area. Spew is spew, nonetheless.
Yeah, but Limbaugh gets paid a lot to do what he does. He gets paid well because he has a very large audience. At least he has that much going for him.
Drifty has nothing going for him.
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Yeah, and everyone knows Toad, that you've been quite vocal about how Limbaugh has been doing his spewing for years.
Pshaw.
The last time you even brought up Limbaugh's name was way back in 2003, and that was in a thread that you created, called: "Guess I was right about Franken's book being autobiographical" wherein you spend the entire thread calling Franken a liar.
So correct me if I'm way off base here or something, but it seems to me that Limbaugh can "spew" his crap to millions of listerners on a daily basis with nary a peep from you, but as soon as some liberal airs his beefs, you get all uppity and start slappin' a Libaugh comparison on them.
Spare me the crocodile tears, friend.
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Originally posted by Nash
, but it seems to me that Limbaugh can "spew" his crap to millions of listerners on a daily basis with nary a peep from you, but as soon as some liberal airs his beefs, you get all uppity and start slappin' a Libaugh comparison on them.
Limbaugh gets to spew his crap to millions, because people actually listen to his show. It's not magic.
Nobody listens to Drifty, as far as I can tell. And liberals spew crap every day, but not many sane people really ever bother listening to it.
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Well... that sounds a bit chicken and egg to me, and radio plays a whole ton 'o Britney Spears but that doesn't exactly lend her music any credibility in my books. YMMV. Is it supposed to matter that her songs are played a thousand times a day on the radio? Does that suddenly make them..... good?
You say that "he can't articulate a point," but your only point seems to be that he's a moron.
It doesn't escape me that you've spent, oh, a dozen posts calling driftglass a moron.... yet haven't picked out a single disagreeable thing that he's ever said and then simply stated why you think it's disagreeable.
You're just not putting together a very convincing case for me, Nuke. Am I supposed to just accept and agree with you because, well, you say he's a moron?
Surely you can do better.
........can't you?
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Originally posted by Nash
Well... that sounds a bit chicken and egg to me, and radio plays a whole ton 'o Britney Spears but that doesn't exactly lend her music any credibility in my books. YMMV. Is it supposed to matter that her songs are played a thousand times a day on the radio? Does that suddenly make them..... good?
You say that "he can't articulate a point," but your only point seems to be that he's a moron.
It doesn't escape me that you've spent, oh, a dozen posts calling driftglass a moron.... yet haven't picked out a single disagreeable thing that he's ever said and then simply stated why you think it's disagreeable.
You're just not putting together a very convincing case for me, Nuke. Am I supposed to just accept and agree with you because, well, you say he's a moron?
Surely you can do better.
........can't you?
The radio plays a lot of Britney?
Rush has been doing his thing for what, 25 years? It's not a chicken/egg thing.....people actually listen to him and like it. Talk radio can only survive if people listen, and people listen to Rush in LARGE numbers.
Nobody listens to something they don't like, unless by force. That's just simple logic.
And Drifty? Yeah, he's a moron. I don't dissagree with everything he says, but he's still a moron.
He's a mouth breather.
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Well, I guess if you say so...
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Originally posted by Nash
Well, I guess if you say so...
Are you saying that the radio is playing lots of Britney?
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My opinion of Franken hasn't changed.
If I haven't said much about Limbaugh, it'd be because I never listened to him.
You'll note I haven't said anything much about Drifty, other than he's the liberal Limbaugh. One observation of
I've probably made as many mentions of one as the other. Drifty came to the attention of the board because YOU linked us all to
my man Drifty
I'm sure Drifty has been spewing along without much notice from me in the same way that Limbaugh has been spewing along without much notice from me.
Nice that you took the time to research the fact that I don't say much about Limbaugh.
What's really funny is that you apparently take umbrage at the comparison. Otherwise...nothing to talk about here is there?
Go ahead Nash...tell me Drifty's gig is different from Limbaugh's.
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Originally posted by Mr Big
Are you saying that the radio is playing lots of Britney?
Okay, I was being lazy. I didn't think it would trip you up so bad, but go ahead and replace her with Kelly Clarkson if that's what it takes.
(yikes.... )
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Toad, if you give Rush a listen, you might find that he's a very smart guy.
If you give "Drifty" a listen, you might find that he's a dumbarse.
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Originally posted by Nash
Okay, I was being lazy. I didn't think it would trip you up so bad, but go ahead and replace her with Kelly Clarkson if that's what it takes.
(yikes.... )
nah, not so easy.
Rush is like the Beatles of talk radio. Nothing is close in popularity.
And Rush is popular because a lot of people like what he does.....like the Beatles.
Nobody like Britney Spears now. Do they?
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Originally posted by Toad
My opinion of Franken hasn't changed.
If I haven't said much about Limbaugh, it'd be because I never listened to him.
You'll note I haven't said anything much about Drifty, other than he's the liberal Limbaugh. One observation of
I've probably made as many mentions of one as the other. Drifty came to the attention of the board because YOU linked us all to
I'm sure Drifty has been spewing along without much notice from me in the same way that Limbaugh has been spewing along without much notice from me.
Nice that you took the time to research the fact that I don't say much about Limbaugh.
What's really funny is that you apparently take umbrage at the comparison. Otherwise...nothing to talk about here is there?
Go ahead Nash...tell me Drifty's gig is different from Limbaugh's.
Lol.... you and I have a waaay different sense of humour Toad.
And find you just a liiiiiitle bit hypocritical, is all.
Everyone gets a pass, unless they are liberals, and then you arrive with your opinion.
"Nice that you took the time to research the fact that I don't say much about Limbaugh." - Toad
Well, it's nice that you took the time to hunt for any evidence of me plagiarizing the guy, which led you on a wild blog chase, winding up on a completely different blog, where you say "Aha!," and come back here, post the quote, attribute it to driftglass, and then accuse me of lifting it. :rofl
""Nice that you took the time to research the fact that I don't say much about Limbaugh." - Toad
You inspire me, Toad... and believe me - it took a tenth of the time to type "Toad" and "Limbaugh" and then sift through the three results it produced than your Sherlock Holmes episode must have taken you to do.
Neat of you to make an issue of that, however, so I find you just a liiiiiitle bit hypocritical. :D
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I find you just a tad hypocritical as well.
Tell me the difference between "your man Drifty" and Limbaugh again? :)
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Other than the obvious; that Limbaugh panders to the far right and Drifty panders to the far left.
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Hey - you brought up Limbaugh..... and all of a sudden it's my job to make the comparisons for you?
Carry your own water.
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Originally posted by Toad
Other than the obvious; that Limbaugh panders to the far right and Drifty panders to the far left.
And Limbaugh does it very successfully, Drifty not so.
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Originally posted by Toad
I find you just a tad hypocritical as well.
Tell me the difference between "your man Drifty" and Limbaugh again? :)
And excuse me, but I want to point something out, Toad.
You sure have some fixation with wrapping quotes around a phrase as if the act itself implies something so damning.... so... "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, enough said."
I said "My man diftglass"...... and so the hell what? I dig the guy. What is with you constantly repeating the quote? Am I supposed to be denying it?
Here's another example of 'Toad's Fun with Quotes,' a mere few days ago (I had to really bite my tongue when I saw it):
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AlGorithm:
"It's not surprising that the key players from Nixon's administration (Cheney and Rumsfeld) are screwing up the in the same ways they did in Viet Nam, and using many of the same tactics to suppress domestic dissent (illegal wiretaps, enemies lists, smear campaigns, bogus prosecutions)."
Toad's response:
"Oh, yeah... Mr. Nixon's war....
13 May 61 - President Kennedy orders 100 "special forces" troops to S. Vietnam
November 1963, Lyndon Johnson becomes President.
July 64 - Announcement states that US military contingent in Vietnam would increase 5,000 more to 21,000
7 Feb 65 - "In the early hours of February 7th, 1965, the VC upped the ante when they launched a guerilla assault against the military barracks at Pleiku where US military advisors were housed. The attack left 8 Americans dead, and President Johnson reacted as though the VC had delivered a personal insult." Johnson ordered a retaliatory air-strike against North Vietnam the next day. Operation "Rolling Thunder" began in mid-February and lasted 3 years
April 7, 1965- The U.S. offers North Vietnam economic aid in exchange for peace, but the offer is summarily rejected. Two weeks later, President Johnson raises America's combat strength in Vietnam to more than 60,000 troops.
End of 1966- By the end of 1966, American forces in Vietnam reach 385,000 men, plus an additional 60,000 sailors stationed offshore. More than 6,000 Americans have been killed in this year, and 30,000 have been wounded.
1967- Secretary of Defense Robert Strange McNamara, appearing before a Senate subcommittee, testifies that US bombing raids against North Vietnam have not achieved their objectives. McNamara maintains that movement of supplies to South Vietnam has not been reduced, and neither the economy nor the morale of the North Vietnamese has been broken.
At the end of 1967, there were 485,600 US troops involved in the VietNam war and more had already be requested and were on the way.
1968... Mr. Nixon at last takes charge of "Mr. Nixon's War". Troop levels peak at 536100. US and North Vietnam meet at the beginning of the Paris Peace talks.
1969 troop levels begin to drop; 475200.
1970 troop levels continue to drop; 334600, about the same level Johnson had in 1966.
1971 troop levels continue to drop; 156800
1972 troop levels continue to drop; 24200
1973 toop levels are essentially nil at 50. Paris Peace talks result in the end of US involvement.
Oh yeah... Mr. Nixon's war you bet.
Let's see, he was inaugurated in January 1968 and Paris Peace talks started in May 1968. Troop levels in VietNam also begin to drop as soon as Nixon takes over.
Mr. Nixon's war. Screwed up the in the same ways they did in Viet Nam. Heh.
Johnson ramps the troops from ~21,000 to roughly 485,000 between 1963 and the end of 1967. Robert STRANGE McNamara micromanages a war using a method that is most famous for absolutely idiotic Rules of Engagement on the ground and in the air.
And it's "Mr. Nixon's War". Nixon. Oh, yeah...HE's the one that screwed the pooch in VietNam.
What a bloody joke.
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What a "bloody joke" indeed, Mr. Toad. You made up something that AlGorithm didn't even say, continued to rail against it, and by the time you were concluding your rant you went so far as to put this made-up fiction of yours into quotation marks!
You've got an issue with that, methinks.
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Originally posted by Nash
Hey - you brought up Limbaugh..... and all of a sudden it's my job to make the comparisons for you?
Carry your own water.
LOL!
I can just imagine you in your attack mode if I ever posted anything as idiotic as
"my man Rush".
...but
"My Man Drifty" :rofl
It is tooooooo funny!
"seottid"!
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Originally posted by Toad
LOL!
I can just imagine you in your attack mode if I ever posted anything as idiotic as....
You've got a very robust imagination.
Why don't y'all try and make specific arguments or something? Even my patience wears thin from time to time.
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Can we stay on topic?
Drifty is a moron. That's the topic.
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Originally posted by Nash
You've got a very robust imagination.
Why don't y'all try and make specific arguments or something? Even my patience wears thin from time to time.
sounds like good advice for drifty.
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Well, Nash... maybe you just had to be alive and in the service then.
"Mr. Nixon's War" was an oft repeated phrase when I was in college (yep, AFROTC and proud of it) and while I was on active duty during the last part of "Mr. Nixon's War".
See... Al makes the usual inference, to whit:
the key players from Nixon's administration (Cheney and Rumsfeld) are screwing up the in the same ways they did in Viet Nam
Ah... see.. it was NIXON'S ADMINISTRATION (and Nixon by extension obviously) that screwed up the Viet Nam war.
But then there's the actual facts...which show that inference to be just...stupid.
Does it upset you that the facts don't support tossing the blame on Nixon? That show that Johnson got is WAY, WAY IN to VietNam, screwed it with stupid ROE and idiotic assumptions by McNamara but it was Nixon that did the dirty work of getting us OUT. Nixon was hardly perfect but it sure as hell wasn't "his war".
And now back to our regularly scheduled topic. As usual, you've tried a nice diversionary move and I applaud your attempt.
I said "My man diftglass"...... and so the hell what? I dig the guy. What is with you constantly repeating the quote? Am I supposed to be denying it?
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Nope; you obviously just reaffirmed it. However, I can't help it. I find it simply hilarious that you "dig" Limbaugh's leftie twin.
I'm sorry. It's just too funny.
I'm sure you don't see it but...you've become that which you oppose.
heh.
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Originally posted by Toad
Well, Nash... maybe you just had to be alive and in the service then.
What.... To make up complete fiction, attribute it to someone, and then blame them for it?
Nah.... see.... there's tons of people who do that right now who weren't even alive back then. You're not so special.
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Complete fiction? What, the term "Mr. Nixon's War"?
You really never heard that before? Cripes, there were SIGNS with that on them during the rallies while I was in college.
Or are you denying Al posted that the Nixon administration screwed up Viet Nam? Nah...you can read.
Or are you just trying the old softshoe to get you and "your man" Drifty out of the spotlight.
Gotta be the last one.
Heh.
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Why are you still putting "Mr. Nixon's War" in quotes?
You are the only one who ever uttered those words in any thread here......
...... no matter how bad you tried to attribute them - directly - to someone else.
You almost got away with it too. ;)
Anyways.... so, blah blah blah.... You don't like driftglass, I do, and I don't care if you or anyone else doesn't. Whoopdy-do. Like why do I care?
If you want to compare him to Rush, be my guest. If Nuke wants to call him a moron, be my guest. What do you want from me?
I ain't gonna sit here trying to make your case for you. I ain't gonna compare them just because you see a comparison. You compare them if you care so much. I've yet to see a single Driftglass quote or a single Rush quote in this entire "debate"..... yet you two guys seem to want me to agree with you, just because...
I don't think so, man.
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Poor youngster.
"Mr. Nixon's War" (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/presidents/37_nixon/tguide/index.html)
Check Tape Two (Hour One) Part Two: Triumph
where it says
"Mr. Nixon's War"
Segment 3: (begins at: 22 minutes, 15 seconds)
Length: approximately 18 minutes
Starting image: opening scene from the film "Patton"
Nixon seeks an "honorable end to war," but Vietnam becomes "Nixon's war" when troops aren't withdrawn right away; anti-war demonstrations staged across the country
Hey! Look! Even PBS puts it in quotes! Imagine that!
Like I said, I guess you had to be there.
Anyway... Drifty and Rush.
The comparison is clear to anyone who takes the time to look. They're both obnoxious twits that pander to the respective wing's fanatics. There's not a nickle's worth of difference in their techniques.
That you've become a devotee of the flip side of Rush is pretty damn funny. I never thought you'd fall for anything like that.
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Oh... and I NEVER attributed the words "Mr. Nixon's War" to Al.
Go back and look. That's just how it was referred to by that time's loony left, the folks that never studied the history of the troop buildup.
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A google search on "Mr. Nixon's War" turns up an overwhelming...... 47 results.
Now, it could have turned up 300,000 results and it still wouldn't take away from the fact that AlGorithm explicitely singled out two people - Cheney and Rumsfeld - while not saying anything whatsoever about "Mr. Nixon" himself.
Hell, from Algorithm's post, it wouldn't be a stretch to say that he was sheilding Nixon from any blame.
But not good enough. You introduce this "Mr. Nixon's War" straw man that only you ever mentioned, put it into quotation marks attributing it to AlGorithm, and then spend the next 2000 words tearing it down.
By the way, spare me your "poor youngster" crap. If you think your old age gives you some kind of implied or unspoken leverage, think again. You're gonna have to do just as much heavy lifting as me around here, old man.
The comparison is clear to anyone who takes the time to look. They're both obnoxious twits that pander to the respective wing's fanatics. There's not a nickle's worth of difference in their techniques.
The comparison isn't clear to me.... but go ahead and spend the next 100 posts trying to declare it so, just because, well, you think it so.
How about providing some examples... some evidence? How's about a side by side comparison?
Nah.... too much work. You deem it so, thus it must be.
Whatever.
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Originally posted by Toad
Oh... and I NEVER attributed the words "Mr. Nixon's War" to Al.
Jebus, Toad, you singled out that exact sentence from Al's post, quoted his words in bold, and made your response directly to it.
Now you're trying to have everyone believe this:
"Oh... and I NEVER attributed the words "Mr. Nixon's War" to Al."
:rofl
Talk about a back-pedal....
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Nash, you can't be that thick.
Do you deny Al places blame on the Nixon administration for "screwing up the in the same ways they did in Viet Nam"?
Do you deny that if you blame the two "key players" from the Nixon administration you are blaming, by extension, Nixon as well? After all, he was Commander in Chief, head of his administration.
My post points out that it was Johnson who got us in and who truly screwed it up. Nixon got us out, albeit by widening the war.
Now to "Mr. Nixon's War". No matter how many Google hits you got on it, it's odd that such an unknown phrase I made up is the title...in QUOTES... of a PBS segment, don't you think?
At the time, the loony left began calling it "Mr. Nixon's War" almost as soon as Nixon took office.
PBS not good enough for you?
Gerald Early: Review of Taylor Branch's At Canaan's Edge: America in the King Years, 1965-1968 (http://hnn.us/roundup/comments/23033.html)
From the fires of these wars over race and poverty at home and Third World nationalism abroad came a resurgent, newly populist American conservatism that has become a vital, if not the dominant, force in American political life since the 1968 election of Republican Richard Nixon as President on a platform of "law and order" and "peace with honor." ("Peace with honor" turned out to mean five more years of escalated bloodletting in Vietnam in what became Mr. Nixon's War.)
Note that while the author doesn't use quotations, he captializes War. Why would that be? War shouldn't be capitalized should it?
Hmmm.. maybe something from the enemy.
The '1205 Document': Another View (http://www.aiipowmia.com/sea/1205veith.html)
An interview with Hoang Tuan, editor of Nhan Dan, revealed that his country is preparing for four more years of war if President Nixon... is reelected. Tuan went on to state that the United States bombing and mining had created difficulties, and that Mr. Nixon's war is 10 times more barbarous than his predecessor's. These remarks are almost exact duplicates of Quang's June 26th speech.
Well, how about President Johnson then, as quoted by Mike Wallace
here (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4992445) :
...and when the time came for Johnson to guide us past the exhibits, I honored his request and did not ask about Vietnam. But to my astonishment, he brought it up himself. We'd just finished talking about the critical challenges that a commander in chief had to confront in the nuclear age when, out of the blue -- without a hint or warning of any kind—the words came pouring out of him in a torrent:
"Throughout our history, our public has been prone to attach presidents' names to the international difficulties. You will recall the War of 1812 was branded as Mr. Madison's War, and the Mexican War was Mr. Polk's War, and the Civil War or the War Between the States was Mr. Lincoln's War, and World War One was Mr. Wilson's War, and World War Two was Mr. Roosevelt's War, and Korea was Mr. Truman's War, and President Kennedy was spared that cruel action because his period was known as Mr. McNamara's War. And then it became Mr. Johnson's War, and now they refer to it as Mr. Nixon's War in talking about getting out. I think it is very cruel to have that burden placed upon a president, because he is trying to follow a course that he devotedly believes is in the best interest of his nation. And if those presidents hadn't stood up for what was right during those periods, we wouldn't have this country what it is today."
There goes YOUR strawman.
Al's comment mirrors those of the loony left during Nixon's Presidency. It shows a lack of knowledge of the history of US involvement in Viet Nam, as usual.
There's Al's strawman; the old lie that it was Nixon and his administration that "screwed up Viet Nam".
I think if you had been there....kid....you wouldn't have even bothered with this red herring to get folks off the trail of your becoming Drifty's dittohead.
Age doesn't necessarily impart much but there's value to have actually been witness to some stuff so that later, when younger generations don't know or refuse to learn the history, one can point out errors from first hand experience.
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Originally posted by Nash
Jebus, Toad, you singled out that exact sentence from Al's post, quoted his words in bold, and made your response directly to it.
Now you're trying to have everyone believe this:
"Oh... and I NEVER attributed the words "Mr. Nixon's War" to Al."
:rofl
Talk about a back-pedal....
Jebus... look at the quote. I respond to Al's comment that it was the Nixon Administration that was "screwing up the in the same ways they did in Viet Nam".
If you can't see that implicates Nixon himself... blame your teachers.
If you don't realize that this is the exact argument made by the loony left after Nixon was elected you just don't know the history.
I know you can read... saddle up and do it. For your own sake.
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Originally posted by Nash
The comparison isn't clear to me.... but go ahead and spend the next 100 posts trying to declare it so, just because, well, you think it so.
You don't have to make any case for it, nor do I. Anyone that reads both Drifty and Limbaugh will see the parallel demagoguery.
What was that paean of self-praise you put out a while ago about how you just speak straight from your heart and tell it like it is and don't back down and all that stuff?
Oh, yeah:
But when I do add my 2 cents, I'm going to lay it all out there. I'll say exactly what I think at that very moment - the second the thought crosses my mind, and I'll express it the best way I know how. You can trust that I'm not going to pull any punches.... but.... it doesn't really mirror my day to day stuff.
It does however reflect my thinking.
HOMBRE!
Yeah... me too, me too! :rofl
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wow, i cant believe i just read every word in this post... whew... keep it coming.. i love morning entertainment... goes good with my coffee...
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The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
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Yes, honey, you do!
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Oh, so now you were attributing "Mr. Nixon's War" to Al?
I'm totally confused.... I'm not used to seeing bikes fly past me going backwards at such breakneck speeds.
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Sorry if it's too tough for you to follow.
Al blames members of the Nixon administration for "screwing up the in the same ways they did in Viet Nam". By extension, this places blame on Nixon, the head of the administration.
Got that so far?
(Oh, and I don't mean to confuse you even more here but Al also implies that Rumsfeld and Cheney had some big input into how the Nixon Administration ran the VN war...which is also wrong. Check out what jobs they actually held during those years. I don't recall the Office of Economic Opportunity or the Cost of Living Council making war policy/execution decisions.)
I just pointed out that the war was screwed up a long time before Nixon ever took office. It's a common misconception of the loony left that NIXON was the one that got us into VN. Easily disproven if you look at the timeline/troop levels/peace negotiations.
Is that simple enough for you?
But, again, I have to admire your desperate attempts to wave the red herring in every post.
This isn't about VietNam. Not about Al's post or my answer to same.
It's not about "Mr. Nixon's War" a term you erroneously hope I originated but which was quite common during Nixon's term. In fact, it may even have been coined by LBJ himself according to Wallace.
It's about dittoheads....both Rush's and Drifty's.
Megadittoes to ya Nash! I saw you finally broke down and quoted your favorite demagogue in another thread.
:rofl
Now I'm off for 5 days in the country.
Toss out some more red herring... it won't stink any worse after 5 more days in the sun than it does now. I'll check back then.
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Originally posted by Toad
Now I'm off for 5 days in the country.
.....And I gotta go to work.
Happy trails.