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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JMFJ on June 08, 2006, 12:16:25 PM
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HTC needs to put a stop to this shade account crap, if they don't it's only going to get worse. People are getting the idea that cause no one is getting booted for it, that makes it okay to do. It's souring the game.
If HTC would set up the score stats, so when you looked up any players name/stats it also showed on the right side of the screen the top 10 guys they have killed the most times that tour. This shade killing crap wouldn't be a problem. But right now if you don't happen to have film of them doing it, you have no way of finding out what the name of that player is that they are getting all of those kills from.
An email skuzzy replied to me in regards to people abusing vox & reporting players for offenses, Quote "It is up to the community if they wish to tolerate what other players are doing". If HTC has elected that it is the players responsibility to police our own community, that's fine we are the the ones who it affects the most. But if that's the way it's gonna be, at least give us the proper tools to do it.
JMFJ
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As far as the abusing vox goes... they do have a squelch command that enables you to mute any certain player(s) on a channel or range vox, as well as text messages. I think the system is working fine.
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wha
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While the idea has some merit the problems it would cause well...
I don't think HT has enough cheese handy to go with all the bbs whine it would cause.
Bronk
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I wasn't saying the vox wasn't working fine, It was a quote in regards to an email I sent to skuzzy asking what happens when you report someone. After getting cussed out (on open & private vox) & reporting Azreal countless times. I don't feel the vox set up is a problem either. It was an example of their opionion as to people in the community doing things that other people in the community don't like/appreciate. That it's the community's responsibility to keep those players in check.
JMFJ
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Think I will have Navajo get a shade then I can land some kills. :aok
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Originally posted by BBQ_Bob
Think I will have Navajo get a shade then I can land some kills. :aok
Propaganda!
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Originally posted by JMFJ
That it's the community's responsibility to keep those players in check.
How can community do something like that? Players can only disagree with some things and bring it to HTCs attention.
In the best case, community can set some standards, but only HTC has powers to act upon and enforce those standards if they deem it's desirable or necessary to do so.
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Not that I use them myself as I don't see a valid reason to have more than one account but who gives a rat's arse if someone is using a shade account?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
How can community do something like that? Players can only disagree with some things and bring it to HTCs attention.
In the best case, community can set some standards, but only HTC has powers to act upon and enforce those standards if they deem it's desirable or necessary to do so.
I don't really like that way of handling things either, but at least I now know the rules of engagement.
So with that said: I think what was meant by skuzzy's email was, if it only makes 1 person mad then it's not worth HTC's time worrying about, if it upsets a large group of the community then it is to be givin attention to. With their limited amount of employee's & the CT project they barely have enough time to deal with the group complaints.
They have the automated way of reporting players for abusive text/vox. But there is no automated/method of tracking that would make players take responsibility for there shade activity which seems to be growing. Stern warnings and having to change your game handle is all that you have to worry about if you get caught, isn't much of a deterent.
JMFJ
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Let's have some names and stats to back up the accusations. Let's face it- witchhunts are fun!
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I'd say limit accounts by IP address like the two week free trial, but what happens to familys like Bagrat and Bagratsnr, and JohnnyRA and JohnnyJR, where you have two accounts per home........Just wouldnt work....I do think something needs to be done against shades though, but I just cant see a responce that would actually work
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ok splain to me why having a shade account is ssssoooo bad?
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Originally posted by icemaw
ok splain to me why having a shade account is ssssoooo bad?
Tactically- Give Coords of CV to enemy country...Take command of a CV for sabatoge when their buddys come along and dive bomb it.......Announce positions of private missions or raids to the enemy.....
dweebery- Sit LA7's on the runway with one account, and vulch them in their 205's with the other account to strengthen rank and build perks.......dweebs
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Originally posted by cav58d
Tactically- Give Coords of CV to enemy country...Take command of a CV for sabatoge when their buddys come along and dive bomb it.......Announce positions of private missions or raids to the enemy.....
dweebery- Sit LA7's on the runway with one account, and vulch them in their 205's with the other account to strengthen rank and build perks.......dweebs
well yes all the above is the definition of dweeb but why does this bother people so much it is after all just a game
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Originally posted by icemaw
well yes all the above is the definition of dweeb but why does this bother people so much it is after all just a game
Originally posted by cav58d
Tactically- Give Coords of CV to enemy country...Take command of a CV for sabatoge when their buddys come along and dive bomb it.......Announce positions of private missions or raids to the enemy.....
Because 1 person can ruin the game for many. Its no one persons personal playground, well cept for HT.
Bronk
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Good point about multiple people in a family participating in the game. I don't have a problem with shade accounts if there is some form of accountabliltiy to prove they are playing the game like everyone else rather than dweebing for personal gain.
JMFJ
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I've actually been told in the MA not to help out someone because they were being used 'for practice'. I had gone in to smoke an Osti's turret that was shooting at a plane flying low and slow over an enemy spawn point. A couple seconds later the guy that I had saved sent me a tell asking me not to do that. The plane was flying for him to 'practice on'.
When I replied that I thought the offline practice might be better for that, or maybe setting up an HTH room, he replied, "But that doesn't count." I assume he meant for score. I don't particularly care about it; heck, it's their $15 a month for the main account and if they keep cycling thru 2-wk trials...well, have fun. But to some people that take alot of pride in their rank and accomplishments legitimately within the game it may upset. Hmm...there may come a time that to be really competitive within the rank system, one may have to set up a second account of some sort.
I can see problems escalating from this abuse. If we have screenshots of folks admitting to it, or films, whatever...do we send them in or just ignore it? Would anything be done?
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UM:rofl BUT:rolleyes: AND:furious AH NEVERMIND:noid
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What about those with split personality disorder that have seperate accounts?
Would those be shades accounts?
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It appears that Katnip has been banned from AH after openly admitting he used a shade (or friend) account to rank up free kills. (His flight hours have not increased since monday, and HT posted that katnip "would not be flying with us" after last weekend.
So it DOES appear that HTC considers what he did to be a form of "cheating."
HT has not told us anything more about what guideline he's using in the future, but at the very least shade killers should know to be circumspect...
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A WITCH! A WITCH!!
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Katnip wasn't banned, he just changed his name.
And why I noted in a previous post one of the punishments for getting caught was having to change your name.
I think it would be more punishment to not be allowed to change your name. So you couln't hide from the ridicule you deserved.
JMFJ
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I've always thought anyone using shades is a wuss. Be a man and stand behind your one handle for better or for worse.
The exceptions were those who worked for the company and just wanted to fly without being bothered.
The one and only
-HardRock since 1992.
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This shade killing crap wouldn't be a problem.
Shade killing crap is same as spawn camping. Whats the difference if its someone you don't know or your shade. In the end you are killing a defenseless target what fun. :rolleyes: I wouldn't advocate either, but you are the spawn camp king, so why would you care.
ok splain to me why having a shade account is ssssoooo bad?
LOL cause it's killing their uber dweeb score from vulching and spawn camping. LOLH
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Originally posted by mars01
Shade killing crap is same as spawn camping. Whats the difference if its someone you don't know or your shade. In the end you are killing a defenseless target what fun. :rolleyes: I wouldn't advocate either, but you are the spawn camp king, so why would you care.
Whats the difference between vulching and spawncamping? If they are dumb enough to keep upping, why not shoot them?
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Originally posted by Slash27
Whats the difference between vulching and spawncamping? If they are dumb enough to keep upping, why not shoot them?
Because I'm a noble knight of the air. I believe in giving the opponent a fair chance to defend himself. I fly by him once, salute him from my computer chair, then lower my visor and the joust begins!
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I agree, this whole shades thing has got to stop.
-- Todd/HARR
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I have come to a decision.
The BKs are teh funny.
Bronk
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Originally posted by JMFJ
HTC needs to put a stop to this shade account crap, if they don't it's only going to get worse. People are getting the idea that cause no one is getting booted for it, that makes it okay to do. It's souring the game.
If HTC would set up the score stats, so when you looked up any players name/stats it also showed on the right side of the screen the top 10 guys they have killed the most times that tour. This shade killing crap wouldn't be a problem. But right now if you don't happen to have film of them doing it, you have no way of finding out what the name of that player is that they are getting all of those kills from.
An email skuzzy replied to me in regards to people abusing vox & reporting players for offenses, Quote "It is up to the community if they wish to tolerate what other players are doing". If HTC has elected that it is the players responsibility to police our own community, that's fine we are the the ones who it affects the most. But if that's the way it's gonna be, at least give us the proper tools to do it.
JMFJ
:rofl
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have been playing for 5 years now and have never email HTC/HT/Skuzzy to complaing or whine about anything ... anything that happens in this game is so small on the scale of real life that it doesn't even register, nor does it justify me wasting my time and anyone elses time at HTC for that matter.
For the life of me, I couldn't imagine calling or emailing Skuzzy saying ... "Well blah-blah did this and blech-blech did that and I am upset cause they are gonna get a higher score than then me and I am SOOOOOOOO upset and while I have your attention, honk-honk was warpin' all over the place ... he has to be hacking ... Oh ... and neener-neener has a shades account and he is spying and I am really pissed about that too ... so what are ya gonna do about it Skuzzy? ... huh ?."
I can imagine how polite Skuzzy might be when responding to emails or talking to some irate customer on the phone ... and when he clicks on the send button or hangs up the phone he must shake his head and say to himself ... WHAT A FRIGGIN' TOOL.
You want to create 5 shades accounts ... MORE POWER TO YA !!!
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Whats the difference between vulching and spawncamping? If they are dumb enough to keep upping, why not shoot them?
If that is what floats your boat then fine, but to come in here and complain about shade vulching as if it is any different is retarded.
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shades mean more money for HTC.
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Originally posted by mars01
If that is what floats your boat then fine, but to come in here and complain about shade vulching as if it is any different is retarded.
:aok
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quote:Originally posted by mars01
Shade killing crap is same as spawn camping. Whats the difference if its someone you don't know or your shade. In the end you are killing a defenseless target what fun. I wouldn't advocate either, but you are the spawn camp king, so why would you care.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Whats the difference between vulching and spawncamping? If they are dumb enough to keep upping, why not shoot them?
And what's the difference between Denny's and Perkins, they both have pancakes. :aok
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shades mean more money for HTC.
Ding ding ding!! There's the winner.
Who cares about shades, besides someone who can't afford to get one of their own? If you have to use a shade not to suck, well... you suck. Like I suck.
But at least I don't use a shade. :noid
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Originally posted by SlapShot
:rofl
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have been playing for 5 years now and have never email HTC/HT/Skuzzy to complaing or whine about anything ... anything that happens in this game is so small on the scale of real life that it doesn't even register, nor does it justify me wasting my time and anyone elses time at HTC for that matter.
For the life of me, I couldn't imagine calling or emailing Skuzzy saying ... "Well blah-blah did this and blech-blech did that and I am upset cause they are gonna get a higher score than then me and I am SOOOOOOOO upset and while I have your attention, honk-honk was warpin' all over the place ... he has to be hacking ... Oh ... and neener-neener has a shades account and he is spying and I am really pissed about that too ... so what are ya gonna do about it Skuzzy? ... huh ?."
I can imagine how polite Skuzzy might be when responding to emails or talking to some irate customer on the phone ... and when he clicks on the send button or hangs up the phone he must shake his head and say to himself ... WHAT A FRIGGIN' TOOL.
You want to create 5 shades accounts ... MORE POWER TO YA !!!
I guess someone should give you a 5 gold stars for your 5 years of restraint in emailing HTC. I asked him what happens when you report someone. Read the post :rolleyes:, there was no whining in that, I also asked him, if you will still be able to map dual functions to the same axis with the new patch, that must of been a whine too. Both questions that no one on this forum knows the answer to.
I always posted respectful to you, and you two (mars & slapshot) seem to feel the need to come onto everythread I post on, opening with un-provoked JA responses. To everything I've ever posted, it doesn't take much intellegence to go around tossing insults at people.
So, what do you know, once again mars & slapshot hijacking, flaming, name calling, and false accusations on someones thread that have nothing to do with what is up for discussion, who would of thought. If you don't have something constructive to discuss, please don't post on my threads.
JMFJ
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Didn't you hear, JMFJ? The BK's are ruining the game...
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Originally posted by Arcades057
Didn't you hear, JMFJ? The BK's are ruining the game...
Yup it's that ho/ram bot Levi. The whole squad is emulating him.
:D
Bronk
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Originally posted by JMFJ
Katnip wasn't banned, he just changed his name.
What does that tell you? Maybe that HTC can't afford losing paying customer for something what doesn't infringe any of the game rules set by them.
Those who play for rank will still post about it but they'll have to learn to live with the fact that there's few low lifes around, and that's best to ignore them.
Those who care about the game will occasionally talk about it, but they'll also know when to stop.
Those who don't care for rank don't care about issue anyways.
Those who pretend not to care about rank will post in threads like this and tell everybody how they don't care about rank or they'll try to make TEH funney. Heya Super :aok
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Heya Super :aok
Hiya Bovihornphisholidudventfensus!!!
Did I miss any?:p
And for the record, I think shades are for low lifes that have no honor. I know I work hard for my ranking, and so should they. Sorry slappy and mars, but I have to disagree with you guys on this.
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LOL JTMFJ STFU you WHIINY LITTLE PUBIC HAIR.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Hiya Bovihornphisholidudventfensus!!!
You missed some important vitamins there!!!!
And yes, i DO care about my rank, very much so... but that doesnt help it raise in any way..... are there some special steriods you guys feed your rank? I tried the best food i could offer, i pampered it to no end, read stories, petted it - EVERYTHING.... didnt help. Im desperate!!!!
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Did I miss any?:p
:furious
Originally posted by SuperDud
And for the record, I think shades are for low lifes that have no honor. I know I work hard for my ranking, and so should they. Sorry slappy and mars, but I have to disagree with you guys on this.
:rofl
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Originally posted by Schatzi
And yes, i DO care about my rank, very much so... but that doesnt help it raise in any way..... are there some special steriods you guys feed your rank? I tried the best food i could offer, i pampered it to no end, read stories, petted it - EVERYTHING.... didnt help. Im desperate!!!!
You need score padding shade account. It seems to work the best. :aok
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Hiya Bovihornphisholidudventfensus!!!
Did I miss any?:p
And for the record, I think shades are for low lifes that have no honor. I know I work hard for my ranking, and so should they. Sorry slappy and mars, but I have to disagree with you guys on this.
Never did I say that one should create shades inorder to improve one's score ... as you well know ... I could give two watermelon about score.
Ya want to create a shade account to fly around with anonimity ... go for it.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
:rofl
You want to create 5 shades accounts ... MORE POWER TO YA !!!
Let's see 5 shades accounts at 15 bucks a month, that's 75 a month....
say 50 accounts with 5 shades thats 3,750 bucks a month....Hmmmmm..... how long does it take to learn to code these games?
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LOL JTMFJ STFU you WHIINY LITTLE PUBIC HAIR.
Its crap like this that ruins forums. It is easy to say things like this when you know the individual can't reach through your monitor and smash your fluff'n nose. Have a little class...
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Never did I say that one should create shades inorder to improve one's score ... as you well know ... I could give two watermelon about score.
Ya want to create a shade account to fly around with anonimity ... go for it.
HAHAHA u bit!:O
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Originally posted by TufNuts
Its crap like this that ruins forums. It is easy to say things like this when you know the individual can't reach through your monitor and smash your fluff'n nose. Have a little class...
And it's things such as your avatard that make it ohhh so good!
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Flufffy? anyone anyone anyone
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I try to help anyway I can:D
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Originally posted by TufNuts
Its crap like this that ruins forums. It is easy to say things like this when you know the individual can't reach through your monitor and smash your fluff'n nose. Have a little class...
Out of all these responses, yours makes the most sense. You are absolutely right, he can't reach through the monitor, noone can. See this is the Intardnet, Morpheus could be anyone and you'd never know. He could be your next door neighbor, he could be some collie molesting cross-dressing eskimo leper, or he could even be the secretary of defense, and again you'd never know.
Shades are a part of the Internet world. If I want to change my name to something really stupid like mittens, I should be able to and noone can do anything about it. Duplicate accounts are just more money for HTC, so who cares?
As for the people being mean to you, if you don't feel the report feature works, why not find a friend on their team to tell you where they go, then follow them around and take out your aggressions by killing them over and over?
You see, this (and this has been said many times) is indeed a GAME. There are some things that are great, some that suck and the majority of all of these you can do nothing about. If it gets too bad for you all to stomach, take solice in some pr0n. =)
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It is most definitely a GAME, and I understand that some often over look that. People should be allowed to play how they want, but I believe that there are always limitations.
People get enjoyment from this game a variety of different ways.
Some people will only fly.
Some will only gv.
Some like both.
Some like to furball.
Some like to fight for the reset.
Some like to vulch or camp.
Blah blah blah...I am sure you get my point.
Another aspect of this game is the ranking system. I know that a lot of the "elite" pilots say that rank doesn't mean anything and that is fine, its how they want to play. Others do work hard to earn the top spots and thats great too, it's how they want to play. However padding your stats to attain a higher rank by camping/vulching a shade account, your wifes account, brother,sister, squadie etc goes beyond, imo, the limitations of playing the game however you would like. To me this is cheating and is no different than the guy that wiggles his connection cord to induce warping. This takes away from the people who choose to play by the rules.
The response "It's my $15 bucks and I'll play however want" is a load of crap and really shows the selfishness, lack of respect and the everybody owes me attitude, that seems to be social norm now.
On the other hand I see no problem with a guy who wants to have two paid accounts so he can fly anonomously on a different country, or with a different squad should he choose to do so. This type of shade account doesn't really have anything to do with the current issues.
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Morpheus could be anyone and you'd never know. He could be your next door neighbor, he could be some collie molesting cross-dressing eskimo leper, or he could even be the secretary of defense, and again you'd never know.
Sig material hehhehe :rofl
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Originally posted by mars01
If that is what floats your boat then fine, but to come in here and complain about shade vulching as if it is any different is retarded.
Right. There is no difference. None at all.
Im glad to know the new stance of the community is the more shade vulching rank dorks the better.
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The only thing vulching a shades does is artificially inflate your stats, thereby giving you, assuming you're not screwing it up, a better rank.
Since neither your squad nor mine cares about rank, why does it bug you guys so much? Sure, it's stupid, and anyone who is that driven to be some uber ranktard has serious issues regarding their mental well-being, but does it really do anything to bother anyone else, or sour gameplay? There are a lot of guys who do almost nothing but vulch; do you punish them and their victims too? Afterall, they're doing nearly the same thing for the same reason.
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Originally posted by JMFJ
I wasn't saying the vox wasn't working fine, It was a quote in regards to an email I sent to skuzzy asking what happens when you report someone. After getting cussed out (on open & private vox) & reporting Azreal countless times. I don't feel the vox set up is a problem either. It was an example of their opionion as to people in the community doing things that other people in the community don't like/appreciate. That it's the community's responsibility to keep those players in check.
JMFJ
Personally, I D 10 T players who vulch/spawn camp a 2nd shade account don't bother me 1 iota.......
but this post I quoted would! why should myself or anyone for that matter have to constantly and continously vox squelch or text squelch someone, because that someone turns into an I D 10 T lemming and decides to openly cuss me in Text and voice , or tune to me in private and do the same,
People who do this should be banned for say 1 month or 3 months, without refund of the remaining time they have paid for in that month, and must continue to pay for the month or 2 or even 3 they are banned if they want to stay in the game, you do the crime you do your time and pay the fine!
regardless if they only do it 1 time or continously keep doing it, if they are banned/suspended say 3 times, then they should be permanently banned for life, regardless of what gameid they might use.
The IP address should be logged with the offender......this might clean up some of the rift raft lemmings that currently lurk in the game.......
and the same rules should be applied to these message boards barring the O'club forum........
if you flame in a distasteful , hateful way for no apparent reason, then you should get the same treatment as I have suggested for the online game play.... this might get people to be more respectful instead of all the arrogant & ignorant post that keep filling up these boards just for the sack of posting!
ah, 1 can hope & dream at least!
TC
The Damned
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Since neither your squad nor mine cares about rank, why does it bug you guys so much?
Good question. My guess is Im overreacting to one of the latest incidents of it.
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When you think of who's good, do you think of who is ranked well, or do you judge by your experiences and observations?
Yeah, those mooks are wrecking the ranking and scoring, but it wasn't exactly a good indicator of anything to start with, except who's good at dull routines. If that's how they have fun, I'm glad. It keeps them out of my hair.
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I think the idea of listing the people most killed and/or killed by in the score report is a good one. Second account abuse devalues the game IMO. IIRC Warbirds used to have this feature when HT ran it.
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Well, thinking of someone who spends money in another account only to vulch himself to have some score satisfactions, seems to me like a clumsy boy who spends his money in porno magazines to masturbate himself....grow up boy the world is full of girls and your acne can only improve:rofl
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I wear shades because the sun is always shining when you're cool.
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The only word that comes to mind is reprehensible. Censure for the proven guilty would be a good solution but you make it sound like whoever this is would be playing a solo game anyway. Eventually they will outgrow it and discover girls or watercooling or porn.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
HAHAHA u bit!:O
Tool !!!!!!!! ... :mad:
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Leviathn was once a shades account.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Leviathn is a shades account.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Fixed it for ya Todd :D
Bronk
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IMHO I think everyone should have at least 1 shade account that would mean twice the money for HT he could devote more money to development and we would get updates that much faster
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I'm so bad I bet people think I'm a shade account. I'm easier to kill than the drones in offline.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Not that I use them myself as I don't see a valid reason to have more than one account but who gives a rat's arse if someone is using a shade account?
ack-ack
Best response I've read on here Ack, my thoughts exactly :aok
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Way back when, shades used to bother me also. That was before we found out how much fun it was to publicly humiliate and torment them when they were caught with their finger up their......................Um mmmm....errrrrr... with their finger in the cookie jar. :)
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IMHO, it don't mean a think except 15 extra bucks a month for HT if someone has 2 accounts. If they are inclined to pad their score, so be it. Some ppl make it sound like if your rank, or score are within certain limits, you get a prize or something. Why ppl whine, or complain that someone has a way to lower their score and beat them, is beyond the worth of legitimate complaints. Myself, I'm more likely to complain about bugs. or FR drops.(I still don't have my sheep back). I say more money for HT, more improvements for our game.
Oz
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The IP address should be logged with the offender.
IP addresses can be changed. Even if you are paying for a static IP address all you have to do is change ISP's. If you are on cable like I am, all you have to do to get a new IP addy is to shut down your comp, modem and router, then restart all of them to get a different IP address.
Another idea would be to ban the CPU serial number.
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Actually banning the MAC address would be the way to go. You can't change the MAC address and would have to get a new network card.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Actually banning the MAC address would be the way to go. You can't change the MAC address and would have to get a new network card.
Maybe few years ago. Today, most of adapters have options of changing MAC address.
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Quawhats the problem with people flying under a different name anyways?
Its not like you're paying for their account. So if they want to fly under a different name then so be it. Stfu and mind ya business.