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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: zorstorer on June 08, 2006, 08:23:30 PM
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I have had an addiction to rockets for a few weeks now. So I decided to do some reseach into them. I found some questions that the AH community might just know. So here they are...
1. Is strike angle factored into the gv hit model?
2. What version of the british 60lb rocket do we have? The Semi-armor piercing high explosive or the Anti tank high explosive?
3. What version of the panzerblitz do we have?
Hope someone knows something aobut this :) Or this thread will hit the next page shortly ;)
I have seen quotes for 160-220mm of armor penitration for the panzershrek warhead used on the PB. So it should be able to take out even the tiger correct?
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Unfortunately, we have the PB-1:
One of those was the Panzerblitz 1 rocket. Developed by Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabrik, the Panzerblitz (Pb1) was a more successful missile than the Panzerschreck 1 that preceded it. The rocket consisted of an 80mm mortar grenade (Gerat M8 -Device M8) mated with the R4M air-to-air missile. In 1 Sept 1944, four Pb1 launch rails were installed under the wing of Fw-190F-8 Werke Number 733705 for trails. Tests showed the rockets could be launched from about twice the distance from the target (about 200 yards) as the Panzerschreck but with a maximum target approach speed of 305 mph, the aircraft was vulnerable to ground fire.
The number of rockets fitted beneath each wing rose to six and finally standardized on eight very late in the war. Not surprisingly, the smaller warhead penetrated only 90mm of steel. At first, the rockets were fired in two salvos, but later launched in pairs.
The type was replaced by Panzerblitz 2, a modified R4M with a Panzerschreck warhead, capable of penetrating 180mm of armor, but that is another story. Now that would be a nice rocket to have! Why the LW gets only the PB-1 while the IL-2 can up with both their versions of Air-to-Ground rockets is anyone's guess. I hope they let the FW-190F8 get the PB-2 eventually.
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I looked at the tiffy in game, the rockets ID was a 3.5" rocket. Did they use the US 3.5" rocket or is this the RP3 rocket (either the 25lb or 60lb version)?
From what I have found just searching the intardnet it looks like the US only had high explosive on the 4.5 inch rockets and larger. The Brits had HE on the 60lb version of their RP3 60lb rocket.
Any input from HT or company? ;)
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Anyone done any seat of the pants rocket testing?
Rocket Type / Number of Rockets to Kill vs
Hanger
Panzer
Cruiser
etc?
The A to A rockets I assume are a 1-shot 1-kill if you can actually get a hit, but I'll leave that to the other thread.
EagleDNY
$.02
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WGRs will destroy a bomber if they hit, but if they "time out" they will air detonate, like puffy ack, doing damage based on proximity.
I did some testing. Okay I did a lot a while back. I couldn't kill any GV with rockets, period. Mostly because it's nigh impossible to land them on the target.
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Originally posted by zorstorer
I looked at the tiffy in game, the rockets ID was a 3.5" rocket. Did they use the US 3.5" rocket or is this the RP3 rocket (either the 25lb or 60lb version)?
From what I have found just searching the intardnet it looks like the US only had high explosive on the 4.5 inch rockets and larger. The Brits had HE on the 60lb version of their RP3 60lb rocket.
Any input from HT or company? ;)
I guess we have the wrong rockets then, as the RP3 was only 3" as opposed to the US 3.5".
"Rocketphoons" carried the 60lb RP3 as you correctly state.
Needed to hit engine or tracks to damage tanks.
Avail with different warheads-
60 lb Shell, HE/SAP (Semi-armour piercing)(27 kg)
60 lb Shell, HE/GP, Hollow Charge
18 lb Shell, HE (8 kg)
25 lb Shot, AP (11 kg)
The whole Typhoon is a hybrid anyway, fingers crossed will get fixed when it is its turn to be remodelled.
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Originally posted by Krusty
WGRs will destroy a bomber if they hit, but if they "time out" they will air detonate, like puffy ack, doing damage based on proximity.
I did some testing. Okay I did a lot a while back. I couldn't kill any GV with rockets, period. Mostly because it's nigh impossible to land them on the target.
Ive had some (not enough) luck with rockets vs gvs. Bagged several panzzers with single strikes and once popped a Tiger with a salvoed pair of a Hellcat. The Tiger hit was from directly above and was a perfect hit. aka dumb luck on my end. I have had a few rockets deflect off the Tiger and shoot off in another direction. They a very effective in the light armor and a close hit will knock them out. The Ostwind I cant kill with anything but a bomb from the air for some reason. I cant even get them to pop with the Hurri IID. I can kill a Tiger with it but not the Osti. Go figure.
p.s. if you just think about shooting a PT boat with rockets they will explode instantly:D
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Rockets are good for killing PTs. Take up a 38 and dive in at 45 degrees headon with a PT. Fire at the tail end of the PT at 1.5K to 1K. You don't have to hit, just get close. Other than that, i have found them useless
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i have had several rockets bounch off my tiger the worst damage i have ever taken in a gv from a rocket was when a 51 lauched all its rockets at my pnzr. 1 or more of the rockets hit me in the middle of the turret and somehow that tracked me but otherwise i didn't take any other damage.
i don't fear rockets much when i'm in a tank.
-68slayr-
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Originally posted by Kev367th
I guess we have the wrong rockets then, as the RP3 was only 3" as opposed to the US 3.5".
"Rocketphoons" carried the 60lb RP3 as you correctly state.
Needed to hit engine or tracks to damage tanks.
Avail with different warheads-
60 lb Shell, HE/SAP (Semi-armour piercing)(27 kg)
60 lb Shell, HE/GP, Hollow Charge
18 lb Shell, HE (8 kg)
25 lb Shot, AP (11 kg)
The whole Typhoon is a hybrid anyway, fingers crossed will get fixed when it is its turn to be remodelled.
i just finished a book by a Typhoon pilot. He was S/L 609 squadon in 2nd TAF in December of 1944 when he was shot down. On this flight he was carrying rockets with a phosphorus warhead intended to be used on an oil refinery or fuel dump...I've also seen photos for AP warheads on HVARs, but i think they were under the wing of a Korean war era F4U...the Typhoon S/L, Charles Demoulin, wrote that the RPs were quite effective, even against tigers & panthers. He was quite enthusiastic about the rocket Typhoon...
Firebirds (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0874743664/002-8867967-8937652?v=glance&n=283155), very good book
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Originally posted by 68slayr
i have had several rockets bounch off my tiger the worst damage i have ever taken in a gv from a rocket was when a 51 lauched all its rockets at my pnzr. 1 or more of the rockets hit me in the middle of the turret and somehow that tracked me but otherwise i didn't take any other damage.
i don't fear rockets much when i'm in a tank.
-68slayr-
I always laugh when I see the rockets bounce off :D
The PB1 rockets the 190F8 carries are quite effective at taking out our GV's even the tiger. But they do take alot of practive to get it right. I usually dive in at a 40-80 deg angle at about 1.5k from the gv. I have my gunsight pipper just about on top of the sight. Put the GV halfway from the pipper to the bottom of the glass portion of the sight. Now at 600m away doing about 250-300mph fire 2 rockets (they fire 2 left, 2 right, etc..I think ;) ) If done right you should get a kill message when you begin to zoom back up.
They make the 190F8 fun to fly...oh yea also burn your aft tank first...helps for those hard pull outs.
It would be nice to get more options for rockets / bombs like the HEAT rocket warhead for the russians, or 60lb warhead for the brits :)
PLEASE :noid
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Originally posted by EagleDNY
Anyone done any seat of the pants rocket testing?
Rocket Type / Number of Rockets to Kill vs
Hanger
Panzer
Cruiser
etc?
The A to A rockets I assume are a 1-shot 1-kill if you can actually get a hit, but I'll leave that to the other thread.
EagleDNY
$.02
Someone did and for the life of me I can't remember who. Plus it was back in AH1. The HVAR US rocket was around 130lbs worth of explosive, with all the other rockets falling in from 50-120lbs each. But this is coming from a fragile memory ;)
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HVARs were about 140 lbs.
the HE verson had 45lbs of explosives, there was an SAP version (don't know)...the AT shape charge was postwar only
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Slash, for some reason I found it very hard to concentrate after I'd read your post. Actually, I have the feeling that my own warhead is armed...
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:rofl ... I stole her from JB28 for a few days:D
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Me too. Boss walked into my office, saw the dancing, then completely spit his coffee right out of his nose/mouth over my desk.
A little distracting is an understatement.. :D
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
Me too. Boss walked into my office, saw the dancing, then completely spit his coffee right out of his nose/mouth over my desk.
A little distracting is an understatement.. :D
I had it as a tiled wallpaper.
My wife works across the hall at the next office. Thank god for door locks.
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Originally posted by Wolfala
I had it as a tiled wallpaper.
Genius!!!
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Skuzzy any idea if Pyro got my email about the rocket information? :)
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Okay, quick question:
Does the Luftwaffe have any HE rockets? or just AP? (not sure the right terms, but what do i use to take out buildings, and what do i use to take out armor? Luftwaffe only please. I dont fly any others)
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The WGr.21 are 210mm HE rockets
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heres a trick, if for some reason you want to fly a plane thats non uber german, you can always pretend its a plane you stole from teh enemy while escape from behind their lines back to naziland
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Originally posted by Debonair
heres a trick, if for some reason you want to fly a plane thats non uber german, you can always pretend its a plane you stole from teh enemy while escape from behind their lines back to naziland
:D
and we all do know that WWII was exactly like our beloved MA: every plane flying for every country!
(http://www.imageup.de/img21/b17german5jd.jpg)
(http://www.imageup.de/img21/spitgerx0fn.jpg)
(http://www.imageup.de/img21/capturedfw1901we.jpg)
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LOL!!! oh, and my trips back to nazi land never make it. I always get burned down, two minutes after i take off!
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it that one the DB powered spit?
iirc, that one was a real monster.
if it was available in the MA it would pwn a whole buncha n00bs
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but then b00bs would use to pwn you! (oh, and how would you pronounce PWN out of curiosity... id LOVE to see someone figure that out!)
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typhie rockets are uber!!!! you can kill a tiger with 1 typhie rocket if you aim it right :D now get out there and kill some tigers :) :noid
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NEIN!!! Do NOT kill my commerads!!! SheiBe...
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Pown, like own with a p in front of it.
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Hmm.... NIce. THat should be used in Real Life conversation!!!! "I just powned your mom last night!"... or something like that...
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It has been. If you truly are 13 or 14 or whatnot, you are forgiven for the mom thing, if not....you should be brought to behind the barn and shot....with a taser.
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zOMG!!!!!!!111!Oneone
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Originally posted by nirvana
It has been. If you truly are 13 or 14 or whatnot, you are forgiven for the mom thing, if not....you should be brought to behind the barn and shot....with a taser.
Im 13, but 14 in... one month, ten days. and the whole mom thing isnt directed at anyone, and its also the only way i can think of using it. No other sentance seems to work...
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"While playing Counter Strike, Timmy was totally pwned by a n00b."
Oh I forgot, it can also be pronounced pawned.
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Hmmmm. never thought of that. Personally, i would you owned or got his arse handed to him.
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Can we get back to talking about the rockets in game?
Any help from pyro? ;)
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Sorry for getting off topic... So, any suggestions on useing rockets? Ive never hit ANYTHING!!! :(
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practice more
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Yeah... rockets are HARD!!! Any know if the 109 G14s rockets are able to kill a tiger?
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Originally posted by Reynolds
Yeah... rockets are HARD!!! Any know if the 109 G14s rockets are able to kill a tiger?
Doubt it they were air to air rockets fuzed to detonate after a preset time, not sure in game but its about 1.5k i think.
The PB1 on the 190F8 I know is able to kill a tiger out right.
It is the only rocket to my knowledge that is a HEAT (High Explosive Anti Tank) warhead.
Dive at about a 45deg angle.
Line up the tank at the bottom of your sight.
Now just wait till the tank is about D600 out and fire 2 rockets at a time.
They fire 2 on the left wing then 2 on the right till you are out.
They will drop a bit but with the target lined up at the bottom of the sight you should hit darn near every time.
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:cry My 109 cant do it!!! :cry