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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: -ammo- on May 14, 2001, 03:44:00 PM
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Well the Supreme Court ruled today on the legal use of marijuana..and its a loss for the pro-marijuana crowd. I say WTG Supreme Court personally (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Supreme Court Nixes Medical Marijuana
AP
The Supreme Court
Monday, May 14, 2001
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Medical users of marijuana were dealt a severe blow Monday when the Supreme Court ruled that the federal law classifying the drug as illegal contained no exceptions for sick people who use marijuana for medicinal purposes.
For the many sufferers of such debilitating diseases as AIDS, cancer and multiple sclerosis who claim marijuana provides enormous relief for the devastating symptoms of their ailments, the high court's 8-0 decision was a major disappointment.
"In the case of the Controlled Substances Act, the statute reflects a determination that marijuana has no medical benefits worthy of an exception (outside the confines of a government-approved research project)," Justice Clarence Thomas wrote for the unanimous court.
Thomas noted the act states marijuana has "no currently accepted medical use."
Justice Stephen Breyer did not participate in the case because his brother, a federal judge, initially presided over the case.
The case was sparked by the federal government in 1998, when the government sought an injunction against the Oakland Cannabis Buyers Cooperative and five other marijuana distributors.
U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer, brother of Justice Breyer, ruled for the government. All the clubs except the Oakland group eventually closed down, and the Oakland club turned to registering potential marijuana recipients while it awaited a final ruling.
The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals reversed the lower court, ruling that medical necessity is a legal defense. Charles Breyer followed up by issuing strict guidelines for making that claim.
Voters in Arizona, Alaska, California, Colorado, Maine, Nevada, Oregon and Washington also have approved ballot initiatives allowing the use of medical marijuana. In Hawaii, the legislature passed a similar law and the governor signed it last year.
The cooperative argued that a drug may not yet have achieved general acceptance as a medical treatment, but may still have medical benefits to a particular patient or class of patients.
Thomas said the argument cannot overcome the intent of Congress in approving the statute.
"It is clear from the text of the act that Congress has made a determination that marijuana has no medical benefits worthy of an exception," Thomas wrote.
"Unwilling to view this omission as an accident, and unable in any event to override a legislative determination manifest in a statute, we reject the cooperative's argument."
Advocates of medical marijuana say the drug can ease side effects from chemotherapy, save nauseated AIDS patients from wasting away or even allow multiple sclerosis sufferers to rise from a wheelchair and walk.
There is no definitive science that the drug works, or works better than conventional, legal alternatives.
Several states are considering medical marijuana laws, and Congress may revisit the issue this year. A measure to counteract laws like California's died in the House last year.
Thomas was joined by Chief Justice William Rehnquist, Sandra Day O'Connor, Antonin Scalia and Anthony M. Kennedy. Justice John Paul Stevens wrote a concurring opinion, joined by Justices David Souter and Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
The case is United States v. Oakland Cannabis Buyers Cooperative, 00-151.
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Yeah good thing pot is illegal we all know it's not as healthy as cigarettes and alcohol.
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you are right!!!! people who smoke marijuana are stupid and violent maniacs......thank god and our ever waving flag my safe, natural, non-habit-forming whiskey and tobacco are still legal.
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Oh yeah,
much more than dealing with peaceful boring dope smokers i deal with non controllable alcoholics who want to beat everybody around them. Much more fun, i agree totally.
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Macchi
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Rediculous.
"Voters in Arizona, Alaska, California, Colorado, Maine, Nevada, Oregon and Washington also have approved ballot initiatives allowing the use of medical marijuana. In Hawaii, the legislature passed a similar law and the governor signed it last year."
So, does this court's ruling make the above null and void?
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"It is clear from the text of the act that Congress has made a determination that marijuana has no medical benefits worthy of an exception," Thomas wrote.
ROTFL!
How many members of Congress are MD or DO qualified?
If Republicans weren't so tight assed they could pull that cob out of their sphincters.
I don't smoke marijuana anymore - but its a damn shame something relativly harmless <in comparison to alcohol> is illeagal.
Just like the rest of the "War on Drugs" policy this ruling is as stupid as they come - leagalize all drugs and tax the hell out of them, inform the users on the consequences of drug abuse and make em sign legal disclaimers when they go to the government outlet to buy them.
The war on drugs cannot be won - people will continue to use drugs regardless of how many laws are written or penalties handed out.
This would eliminate the organized crime aspect involved in drug manufacture, provide the users with drugs that aren't "cut" with God knows what, and save a toejampile of monmey currently wasted on feeding/housing them in prison - not to mention the money poured into government enforcement agencys that can't even do criminal investigations properly.
Its time for a rational drug policy to come out of Washington.
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sick people don't need drugs........
wait , let me rephrase
sick people don't need drugs that are not sold by large drug companys
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Oh no!
I better stop smoking now! I used it as medicine!!
Things wont change for me at all.
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you are right!!!! people who smoke marijuana are stupid and violent maniacs......thank god and our ever waving flag my safe, natural, non-habit-forming whiskey and tobacco are still legal.
The only person I have seen get fired from my work place for violent behavior was stoned on a regular basis. I'm sure it wasn't a habbit... he just chose to do it all the time.
How about everyone avoid the stereotyping and thus eliminate the need to blow that stereotype out of the water.
AKDejaVu
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never met a violent pothead yet. Sorry to say but it will be illegal for along time. Do a research and find how many people die from drinking and smoking cigarettes each year and you tell me which one is the real killer. What are the long term affects from pot? I remember a study done inmy psych class in college about a group of 10 in south america that were studied for 30 years. And they had no affects from smoking pot, and they were smoking home grow which was more potent then what we get here in the states.
Sorry but it will always be put down the loggin industry is way to strong to allow them to come in and start taking over there business, oh yeah you can make all kinds of products out of mary jane. but we dont care it is evil stuff that makes us hungry and kinda goofy "hmm like alcohol yet more subtle". LOL wouldn't want people suffering to feel better now would we?
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Phhhhh. Just make every drug legal and sell them in stores and beer stores. Screw them if they want to kill themselves. It's their choice. The government cannot control all drugs, and they can't bust everyone using them. Besides, like I said, let Nature take it's course. We have too much emphasis on safety and well-being in the country. Someone might say "Well, making drugs legal will expose our kids to them too!" You know, I knew what a joint was in 5th grade. Kids that are 10 know what drugs are. If they wanna try them, let them. If the parent doesn't intervine, it's their own proplem.
As George Carilin said: "Whatever happened to natural selection? The kid who swallows too many marbles won't grow up to have children of his own..."
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Originally posted by texace:
Phhhhh. Just make every drug legal and sell them in stores and beer stores. Screw them if they want to kill themselves. It's their choice. The government cannot control all drugs, and they can't bust everyone using them. Besides, like I said, let Nature take it's course. We have too much emphasis on safety and well-being in the country. Someone might say "Well, making drugs legal will expose our kids to them too!" You know, I knew what a joint was in 5th grade. Kids that are 10 know what drugs are. If they wanna try them, let them. If the parent doesn't intervine, it's their own proplem.
As George Carilin said: "Whatever happened to natural selection? The kid who swallows too many marbles won't grow up to have children of his own..."
a sensible view from the right (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Keep it illegal.
My business will be more profitable that way
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How much for a quarter Santa?
and how good is it.
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Bah! Should (re-)legalise LSD instead. Much more fun for "medical use"(just ask the CIA (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))!
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I say legalize all drugs, and let Darwins theory play out. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Nash:
Rediculous.
"Voters in Arizona, Alaska, California, Colorado, Maine, Nevada, Oregon and Washington also have approved ballot initiatives allowing the use of medical marijuana. In Hawaii, the legislature passed a similar law and the governor signed it last year."
So, does this court's ruling make the above null and void?
Not really. From what I understand it's Federal Law, and doesn't affect the laws in the individual states. This means that you can still do it in the states where it's legal and you won't be breaking any state laws, but you will be breaking federal law.
I would think that the chances of the feds breaking down your door because you're growing plants for your own medicinal use as allowed by your state of residence are pretty small. And your local & state police won't be doing anything about it, because you're not breaking any state laws.
In any case, I can't begin to fathom why anyone would be against people smoking pot. What's the big deal?
SOB
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Because its bad. Remember pot doesn't kill people, people smoking pot kill people (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
Wish these fediddlein liberals and what have you's would just try it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
It is not like crack, it is not like coke. Hell it's affects depending on amount used wears off quicker then alcohol. I would think the food industry would love to see it legalized.
Who would you be more afraid of a drunk behind the wheel?
Or someone stoned?
Chances are the guy stoned wont be driving do to extreme paranoia and if he was would dirve very slow and cautious, and not having an instant dose of I have large balls watch me drive this car super fast.
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Alcohol is a more dangerous drug, in every aspect, than is cannibis. But the problem is that if you prove this fact to the safety-nazis, the people who think they have the right to tell you what to do with your own property and your own body, they will try to outlaw alcohol too. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Originally posted by funked:
Alcohol is a more dangerous drug, in every aspect, than is cannibis. But the problem is that if you prove this fact to the safety-nazis, the people who think they have the right to tell you what to do with your own property and your own body, they will try to outlaw alcohol too. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
OK if they take away alcohol. How are ugly women going to hook up? I bet women's lib groups will be furious if they ban alcohol.
Citing how are young and voluptuous women going to pick up horny guys at bars that would normally never give them the time of day?
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Move to Belgium, It's legal here since the 1st January 01 !
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Originally posted by Saintaw:
Move to Belgium, It's legal here since the 1st January 01 !
No toejam?
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SOB the state laws are unconstitutional now, as they conflict with federal laws (which take priority).
I could really care less on this issue, but I would think if you're going to legalize it, you'll actually legalize it instead of these goofy assed technicalities, like...
no more than 1/4 bag on the 3rd Tuesday and 4th Wednesday of each month if you live on an even numbered street address excepting if you hop on one foot in which case 1/8 but not to be less than 1/16 of which all except the remaining part will be for personal consumption excepting that the rest will be not where needed due to medical wants and needs can be possessed when above stipulations are met.
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Originally posted by Saintaw:
Move to Belgium, It's legal here since the 1st January 01 !
Why should I? From my home it's 4km to Belgique or 7km to the Nederlanden.
I never had any problem to stuff my bong (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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My compassion goes to those who truly need it and now won't have access to it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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There is probably an enormous lobbying effort by drug-producers to keep drugs illegal. After all, their multi-billion empires are based only on the fact that legislation makes their worthless stuff more expensive then gold.
With legal drugs it would be easier for children to get them, but there would not be highly-interested and well-paid distributors pushing that stuff onto children. Some children shiff glue but no one is financially interested in buying glue, bringing it to school and persuading other children to try it.
miko
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Originally posted by miko2d:
There is probably an enormous lobbying effort by drug-producers to keep drugs illegal.
Actually most of the lobbying is from law enforcement bureaucrats.
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And contractors for prison construction and operation...
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surprised none of you teary-eyed flag waving chevy commercial types aren't up in arms over the states rights issue (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
several states decided to legalize it by a majority vote of the people and the feds gave them a slap in the face. i guess that means the ultra right is in line finally and doing what they are told by the man.
used to be a day when men like my ol grand-dad wouldn't let a central government tell them anything(he wouldnt agree with legalization but he hated a controlling central government) - people used to think that states had a right to determine things like that for themselves. i guess that isnt the case is it - from now on daddy washington lays down the law and if you dont like it tough shi-------
crack a history book if ya wanna know why i think a centralized gov't is bad thing - this ruling embodies a disturbing precedent.
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Originally posted by mrfish:
surprised none of you teary-eyed flag waving chevy commercial types aren't up in arms over the states rights issue (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
several states decided to legalize it by a majority vote of the people and the feds gave them a slap in the face. i guess that means the ultra right is in line finally and doing what they are told by the man.
used to be a day when men like my ol grand-dad wouldn't let a central government tell them anything(he wouldnt agree with legalization but he hated a controlling central government) - people used to think that states had a right to determine things like that for themselves. i guess that isnt the case is it - from now on daddy washington lays down the law and if you dont like it tough shi-------
crack a history book if ya wanna know why i think a centralized gov't is bad thing - this ruling embodies a disturbing precedent.
No fish, I am a states right type of guy and feel strongly..but I also feel just as strong about drugs.. Nothing good comes from illigal drugs. They are a bane to our society.
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Originally posted by -ammo-:
Nothing good comes from illigal drugs. They are a bane to our society.
then you are in support of a ban on cigarettes, cigars, chewing tobocco and alcohol? oh wait they are legal - vastly more damaging, but legal so it is only socially unacceptable drugs that are a bane - their legal staus somehow makes it ok instead of their constructive effects?
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Originally posted by mrfish:
then you are in support of a ban on cigarettes, cigars, chewing tobocco and alcohol? oh wait they are legal - vastly more damaging, but legal so it is only socially unacceptable drugs that are a bane - their legal staus somehow makes it ok instead of their constructive effects?
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As far as I am concerned alcohol could be banned and it would not bother me a bit. IOt is also mind altering and renders folks dangerous. Many folks die from the effects of it in car accidents ..daily. Much more than guns. However our laws provide a provision for those (tobacco too) and THAT (the Constitution) is SOMETHING ELSE I feel very strongly about. Are you starting to see a common thought from me?
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Nothing good comes from illegal drugs. They are a bane to our society.
I absolutely agree with this statement.
Common sense says that no policy the government or courts implement will stop people from using them - people will abuse substances no matter the price or penalty.
The so called "war on drugs" has been a monumental waste of time and resources and its not going to get any better.
I know several people in prison who were arrested for drug related crimes - a friend of 25 years received a sentence last March for 47 years.
He will be near or past sixty when he is released, his children will grow up without him - that's a sad thing IMO.
Its also sad that everyone of us are going to pay for the cost of his incarceration.
<along with the other millions of prisoners jailed for drug crimes>
ITS TIME FOR A RATIONAL DRUG POLICY TO COME OUT OF WASHINGTON!
Legalize and tax the hell out of the toejam, it will pay for education, prevention programs and remove a lot of the crime that comes with the territory.
Too bad common sense is non-existent in Washington.
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This is a hoot.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=95000473 (http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=95000473)
More Clinton bashing. This time about the drug war. Isn't the drug war budget something like $50 Billion? Don't recall Clinton lowering it.
Also... (Retired) Major Felkins USArmy has some interesting things to point out about the drug war. http://www.antiwar.com/orig/felkins2.html (http://www.antiwar.com/orig/felkins2.html)
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Jihad could not have said it better!!
Amen!!!
Simple economics, US spends Billions of dollars on the drug war and has yet to yeild any results. Sure that makes sense.
Legalize pot and place a very high tax on it...O my imagine the revene!!
20 pack of pot sigs cost .10 to make - sell it for 20 bucks.
Baaa that makes too much sense.
I think one of the biggests issues is how many law enforcement type people we employ ever year. Keep em, we are talking about leagalizing pot, not coke.
LaVa
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If you want a real example, see what was the use of banning alcohol in early 20's in your country.
Pepe.
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20 bucks for 20 j's? Can't be true,
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There are too many entrenched interests now interested in continuing war on drugs because their livelihood depends on it - drug producers, drug enforcers, etc.
Most government agencies are lile that - a cancer that tends to grow unless restricted.
There are only two ways to stop it now:
1. People recognizing the futility and harm of war on drugs and voting for the legislators taht would legalize drugs.
But if US public was that rational, thay would have probably just used the second way with much less fuss:
2. Stop poisoning themselves with mind-altering substances.
Neither is going to happen unless some serious crisis happens, like country going bankrupt.
Most people harmed by drugs are innocent bystanders in the turf wars or those assaulted by drug addicts who need hundred of dollars to buy a product that costs very little to produce.
Of course our legislators or other drug policy experts do not live in the neighbourhoods where such bad things happen. Their friends or relatives are not likely to get jailed for dozens of years for a minor offence. So why would they care or even know!
miko
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Originally posted by -ammo-:
However our laws provide a provision for ...[para.]tobacco too <S>
really, ammo - think about that for a minute. laws are dynamic - you can change them to suit the times or advancements in knowledge. on the one hand you support tobacco which kills tens of thousands of people because of a provision for it in the constitution (which i am not aware of but will take your word for it in lieu of looking it up) but you don't support marijuana legalization? laws once prohibited women from voting and counted blacks a fraction of a person! how did they get changed unless someone challenged the legitimacy of them? laws are meant to be changed to fit common sense
tobacco is addictive. tobacco is damaging. too much nicotiene can kill you an equilalent amount of thc would not. people who smoke can barely go 10 minutes without a cigarette - if they dont get the cigarette the act irrationally until their addiction is satisfied - including picking up old burnt out garbage cigarettes and trying to resurrect one satisfying fix - i know 1st hand i smoked cigarettes for 12 years before growing a brain.
marijuana smokers can go weeks, months whatever. just because a law exists doesnt mean it is just or the best law in any case -i think anyone studying social construction would have a field day with this thread -
i mean if marijuana was legal and one could get jackets, coolers and other neat stuff from collecting 'bud-points' and there were all kinds of commercials showing attractive people hitting a bong - a cool marijuana brand mascot named 'bud-man' that burst into parties and made everything cool and your father smoked as did his father.... then it would be a different story. your decision to support one or the other seems to be based on tradition and trust of lawmakers - not the facts!
of all the drugs that should be done in the closet you'd think it would be tobacco! a short useless high followed by intense cravings that eventually rots your body - and kills you early like it did ol' grandad who died of cancer at age 58(3 packs p/day of lucky's from age 13 on).....how ironic that marijuana is illegal and tobacco companies help get politicians elected and get seats at fundraisers.
all these mind altering effects are way over done. it is illegal so it attracts people trying to be cool or different and they usually act pretty stupid and pierce lots of things. truth is they have lots of other problems and mary jane is being scapegpated - you see them at parties pretending to hallucinate - they start spinning and using the word 'dude' wayyyyy too much and get this goofy look on their face - they are amateurs and you see the same garbage of people on their first beer - it is irritating but people with real experience with marijuana and not progaganda victims know its no big deal when used responsibly - well...it did make my first semster calculus midterm a bit rocky once but that was my fault for using before class - imagine what a shot of jim bean would of done. landed a b anyway (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) in other words don't believe the hype, the law should fit common sense
- you obviously just want to do the right thing <S> for that, not suggesting any bad intention at all, but i think it isnt so cut and dry as banning it - on that we wdisagree, and that the field is riddled with misconceptions. sorry for the long post!
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Ammo <S> for having a position which is consistent.
But I don't believe that anybody else on this planet has the right to tell me what I can or can't put in my body.
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Self-Governing issues....
What funked said....as long as your not "hurting" other plp then who cares.
If you want to run around on your own property high as a kite chasing rabbits, then its your god given right, just dont get into your car and drive in rush hour baked out of your mind, although i know a couple of guys that can do this without much trouble. But, he is a chemistry professor and maintains a buzz 24/7. Back to my point, Nobody has the right to tell you what you can do with your body.
Youth in Asia comes to mind and how that DR. kervokian <sp> is in jail because he helped a few plp carry out their last wishes. Thats BS.
LaVa
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The governments created by populations themselves are usually created with the purpose of protecting people from other people. For that they are given power over pople.
Of course helpfull people in charge of the governments are glad to offer their services to supervise protecting people from ourselves, meaning the actions that people cando to hurt themselves. They just need some more power over people. In many cases it sounds attractive - you are too stupid to not marry a drunk and too weak to control your husband or too busy to educate your children, so let's make it so that no one else has access to liquor.
Then they helpfully undertake to decide what actions are hurtfull and who to consider people etc.
An of course they vote a bigger budget for themselves and more employees for their empires that are responcible to them but paid for by us....
Now a god-created plant grows in your backyard from a seed brought by wind (I would never recognize a marijuana plant by sight) and you are a criminal. Take a contraceptive pill, an you may well find yourself a murderer.
miko
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My body, my mind.
Unless my other 14million fellow Americans own my ass... then that's news to me.
-SW
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first, let me state that I am a Christian, and I am in opposition to some of the ways that todays society seems to think is a wonderfull thing. I am against the ideal that if it feels good..it must be right. I dont drink, I dont use tobacco...anymore (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I used Copenhagen snuff for 17 years and it is as you saiod very addictive. It was one of my biggest challenges to quit. I at one point in my life was a heavy drinker, and earlier on a drinker and partaker of many types of drugs.
Now Jihad says that it makes sense to legalize and it would save all those millions of dollars spent torward fighting illigal drug traffic and use, that it has been a monumental waste in the past and we should just give in and legalize it and maybe even make a profit in taxes. Well I guess if your pocket book is where you put your ethics and your faith then that would make sense...but that just dont wash with me. I believe that that drug use adn distribution is rightfully wrong, and it is inherently dangerous. There is nothing wrong with practicing a little restraint. I teach my kids this daily. And if we as a country were to legalize it, then we are endorsing it. THAT IS WRONG, and wrong is more important than the moneyt we would collect in taxes.
SW..<S> but you can make that statement to the judge, hopefully he will buy off on it. Personally I would be more intersted in being a law abiding citizen, I sleep better when I call people out if I know i am not a hypocrite. But to each his own. I Speak for me.
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Originally posted by -ammo-:
SW..<S> but you can make that statement to the judge, hopefully he will buy off on it. Personally I would be more intersted in being a law abiding citizen, I sleep better when I call people out if I know i am not a hypocrite. But to each his own. I Speak for me.
Now I meant no disrespect to you and I understand your position. I'm just going to lay it all out on the table though, so you can understand where I am coming from.
I've SEEN alchohol take one of my parent's lives at a very early age. It's not pretty sitting next to your parent that is bloated and yellow with jauntice from a failed liver at the age of 12. I can guarantee you, alchohol is by far 100times more damaging to the body than marijauna is. Unless that marijuana is laced with something or has been sprayed with something.
I've had my fair share of drugs... LSD, Mushrooms (psylosomethingerother), MDMA/MDA(Ecstasy), speed, alchohol and marijuana. I won't touch heroin, cocaine, or PCP.
You can overdose on all of the above, except for one. Which one?
Marijuana.
Marijuana, if used regularly, thickens the cells walls of your mind. However, the effects dissipate if a period of time without using it goes by. The period of time is dependant entirely on how heavily you use it and how often you use it.
There are as many carcinogens in joint of marijuana as there is in a pack of 20 cigarettes. If used with alchohol, the damage on your liver increased 10 fold.
NOW, if you eat marijuana, in spaghetti sauce or brownies or whatever, the damage to yourself is nill.
In the end, if used properly the damaging effects of marijuana are FAR FAR less than that of the two substances currently circulating the USA as "legal" drugs- Tobacco and Alchohol. The damage to your lungs from Tobacco (and the other chemicals they throw in there) is irreversible. After 10 years, the damage to your lungs from smoking marijuana begins to reverse itself and slightly rejuvinate. Never all the way, but the chances of getting cancer from it are FAR less than that of smoking tobacco.
Alchohol, well you are just pulling punches with the devil right there. If you overdose on alchohol (alchohol poisoning) you need to go to the hospital IMMEDIATELY. If you don't, well you'll either be walking around with a half functioning liver, brain dead or be dead.
In the end it really matters nothing whether they legalize it or not. It'll always be around, and it's EASIER for your KIDS to get marijuana than you could ever imagine.
You make something illegal and the people that are drug running will simply target the most susceptible group, that being children.
It's just as easy for your kids to get marijuana as it is for them to get cigarettes or alchohol when they are underage. I'm not saying legalizing it will reverse that, but it's something to think about.
Yes, I have been arrested for marijuana. While it's "the law" not to smoke marijuana, it's rather redundant. I can see laws for shooting someone, carrying a knife around, or something that otherwise affects someone else. But seriously, you are targetting people because they feel like experiencing something?
If you (not you ammo, general) like to drink and enjoy getting drunk, who are YOU to say that *I* or someone else can NOT get high? You are a hypcrite and utterly ignorant of what you are fighting. (again, not you ammo)
I don't want drugs legalized, but I would like to see marijuana legalized in my future. (I'm young, so I can wait till my generation is in government offices! ;-)
Half of these so called "facts" floating around government offices on "faq sheets" are blown up with misnomers and lies.
You know why marijuana is illegal? Someone decided it was a good idea to fill the television airwaves in the '20s with propaganda that kids will beat their mothers up to just "get high".
Lies, misnomers and general misedjucation... but I digress.
If it's something you like doing and you hurt no one else (victimless crime), man you really should be allowed to it. Kind of like organized religion, you know...
-SW
EDIT: S! Ammo, I respect your opinion and am just offering reasons as to why I believe it could be legalized. I enjoy going over to a friends house or being at my own house and smoking... but the key to not getting it out of hand is moderation and responsibility.
[This message has been edited by AKSWulfe (edited 05-16-2001).]
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Originally posted by LaVa:
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Youth in Asia comes to mind .... <snip>
This was the funniest thing about this whole thread. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Who the hell are "Youth In Asia"? Is that kinda like "Up With People" or something? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I believe LaVa was referring to "euthanasia".
Sorry LaVa...but reading your post just got me to laughing and I had to point it out. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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<SALUTE> AKSWulfe -- Well said!
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Oh my my, lookit all the posts. And we already got Revered Jihad belching out the Liberal Line...and some of it has some merits in regards to the drug war.
If there is a "drug war", why isnt it all out? I don't see A-10s mowing down drug crops, or F-16's napalming suspected sites, etc etc. So, what war, I ask?
I dunno. The Drug War and illegal immigration get on my nerves. I don't get how we can have people streaming through our borders on a daily basis. Isnt the military's mandate to defend the borders? I'm not saying load the .50's and plink away but if you follow the news, the border patrol is really hurting and its really a bad situation. Dunno why they can't LEGALLY come in...like so many others do!
Bah
Damn annoying, aint it?
Oh Jihad, if you care so much about money, why are you and your liberal cronies so happy to dive into my take home pay (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Wanna impress me, ease off the taxation!
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Remember lads, Smoking dope can really cack up your short term memory.............erm,............And another thing, smoking dope really cacks up your short term memory.
Ddriag.
What were we talking about?
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too many big dollar booze companies putting too many big $$$'s in the pockets of our fat arse politicians to change status quo.
Doesn't matter which is more dangerous to society, all a "legal" money thing.
Don't think mary jane is any worse than other prescribed narcotics, but big alcohol knows making mary jane a med is 1st step to legalize it. They definitely don't want that, unless they are the growers themselves (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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Originally posted by -ammo-:
And if we as a country were to legalize it, then we are endorsing it. THAT IS WRONG, and wrong is more important than the money we would collect in taxes.
So everything that you think is wrong should be made/kept illegal.
I have a list of things that I (or some otehr people) think should not be done.
Plenty of incomes are taxed that made in areas lot of us would object.
1. Adultery (having sex with a man/woman married to another) - clearly harmfull, damaging to relationships, sometimes resulting in violence, briken families.
2. Religion. I can fill volumes with harm of that one. If you are religious yourself, I am willing to leave yours legal to get your support. But the rest are obvioulsy wrong, so down with them!
3. Spicy foods - causes all kind of cancer, ulcers, cost society money in medical expences.
4. Having babies for which you cannot provide support.
5. Any kind of medical research other then trauma treatment - interferes with natural selection or god's plans, whatever you prefer.
6. Fatty foods. People harm themselves eating them and hartless bastards are making money selling those.
I could go on and on.
So why not outlaw them all, otherwise I am endorsing those things, by your logic?
miko
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Oh my my, lookit all the posts. And we already got Revered Jihad belching out the Liberal Line...
"Define" liberal for me please.
I want to know if I'm truly a liberal or if this is just the same old "smear tactics" that tight bellybutton conservative republicans are known for.
You and Cabby should hook up and exchange crack pot conspiracy theorys about how the "evil liberal democrats" are ruining the world for all the "righteous conservative republicans". <LOL>
[This message has been edited by jihad (edited 05-22-2001).]