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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: badhorse on June 10, 2006, 10:50:50 PM
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I'm writing this while I am still angry. HTC will you please, please get rid of collisions. I am so tired of seeing " so-so collided with you" as I dangle from a chute and watch him fly away chuckling and talking bad about my mama.
Just make it like you have for friendlies. No damage. Then it doesn't matter what your frame rate is or your type of hookup.
This is a big pain in a lot of peoples hind quarters.
I know you purist out there don't like this but it is the only way to even out the playing field.
Okay, I vented.
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Remember, you can't take damage from a collision that his PC detects. With the current setup, he now has some manner of damage. If it were changed to what you've requested, he'd be undamaged, and you'd still have been shot down.
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Think I'll stay out of this one ;)
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
[With the current setup, he now has some manner of damage. If it were changed to what you've requested, he'd be undamaged, and you'd still have been shot down. [/B]
That's my point. We would both be undamaged by the collision. If I'm shot down, so be it. I can live with that. (matter of fact it happens a lot)
All I'm saying is because the collision has more to do with the type of computer someone is using than what is happening within the game, get rid of it. Then everone would be equal regardless of the computer used.
Then when I go down in flames I can be happy. (wait, that didn't sound right)
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Just curious, how often would you say you collide with others during a session of flying? Say a session is 2 hours...
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Howitzer, I don't really know. Tonight it happened twice. Just before and just after I left the orignal post. Some days it never happens.
Once I was on someones six, in a turn at about 400. Next thing I knew BANG, I received a message I collided with someone. (not the guy I was chasing)
Never did see who it was.
If there was a way to make collisions not dependant on the computer used, or the day of the week, or the toss of a coin, or whatever it might be okay. But until they can, in my humble and new to AHII opinion they should just do away with them.
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Originally posted by Howitzer
Just curious, how often would you say you collide with others during a session of flying? Say a session is 2 hours...
The old Nomad in me prefers to think of it as "in-flight augering"
It happens to this 38G driver a lot too. I could care less though. I'm still not really dying and I get a new 38G everytime :)
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i think both ppl should die i mean its a collsion for christ sakes. just imagine RC plances when the collide there goes $500 dollers on both ppls planes. so i just think it would be better if both ppl died. now the other day some guy rammed me from behind said i rammed him and i died. now how in the hell do i ram some 1 if they are behind me?
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Yes, ujustdied, and both RC pilots are looking at the same thing, however, online there are different viewings on different ends. If his end sees a collision then he'll get damage, but if the other persons side saw a pass...20 feet away, he'd be saying "omgwtfhax" because he wasn't even close, see?
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Umm Not so in all RC plan collisions... I once rammed my Avistar 40 into the local hobby shop owners 120 size stinger. lol
I leaned then that a plane 2 times the size of mine and with fome core wings dose much better in a mid air than my much smaller balsa winged aircraft.
I did how ever manage to leave a 1" dent in the leadeng edge of his wing, rubber marks all down the wing from my gear and I did strip his right aileron servo out. :D
But my plane had no wings left as they floated down in two and there was a High piched whine as my engine rapped up and a sudden stop lol.
I was real lucky though because my plane had imbedded itself into a really rotten log so it wad a relitivly soft face plant and it realy wasn't damaged to bad.
Just reglued the wings put some new covering on it and away I went. Of course I got all the glue and covering from his shop :)
EDIT: I almost forgot I was the first guy to get into a midair with him in his 8 years of flying RC planes. :)
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Turning off collisions with enemy aircraft would suck.
Imaging slashing though an emeny bomber formation without having to worry about colliding. Avoiding collisions is an integral part of air to air combat, particularly the gunnery aspect. Carefully avoiding the collision and slipping past the enemy by a couple of feet will land you the most hits on your pass.
Without collisions we'd all be flying at, into and though enemy aircraft while holding the trigger. I'd rather go watch TV with the wife than play in THAT AH arena.
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Flayd1 here's what happens when RC plane hits ground after losing radio control due to electronic ignition interference. Was a mighty P47D 92" 45 pounds. slow rolled left and lumbered into corn field LOL
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Lemme know if you want to sell the car to re-finance the model plane.
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Originally posted by Howitzer
Just curious, how often would you say you collide with others during a session of flying? Say a session is 2 hours...
Last night, it was 3 times, by LA's coming at me from the 8 and 4 o'clock positions while I was in a defensive yo-yo. I lost elevators/rudder and they just kept going unscathed. Maybe I should go back to dial-up so I'm the one with the slower connection...
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I think someone came up with a good idea, don't know if it's coadable -
a) If BOTH FE's see the collision, there is a collision.
b) If only one FE sees the collision, there isn't one.
c) In the case of (a) BOTH parties take catastrophic damage.
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HOW MANY @#@#$$ING COLLISION AND DA THREADS DO WE ###$@ NEED!!!???
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Originally posted by bj229r
HOW MANY @#@#$$ING COLLISION AND DA THREADS DO WE ###$@ NEED!!!???
Ummm One more at least??
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RTO .......Ummmm Ouch :cry I have had a few planes that looked like that, I just got some balsa and rebuilt them... That is up to the point on one of them that had the push rod clip come off the elevator, looped up into a fog bank two times and then came down and burried it's engine 6" into hard dirt. Not allot left of it, had balsa shards shoved through the gas tank. :)
Also had a guy that flew with me that had a scale modle of some form of Spitfire. We kept telling him to slow it down but he wouldn't listen and kept flying full throttle all the time. One day we were flying at marsh and he upped the spit, flew around for a couple minuits and RIP! Off pop the wings. I have never heard shuch a sceam out of a .40 engine, he didn't even throttle back after the wings came off. Wings fluttered slowly to the ground and the rest looked like a missile. It hit the mud sending up a 6' jet of water. All that was left was the stabalizers that marked the spot where he had to sink his arm up to his armpit just to get the engine and radio gear.
Sorry not trying to hijack the thread I just started typing and wellll...:)
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Originally posted by badhorse
I'm writing this while I am still angry. HTC will you please, please get rid of collisions.
Okay, I vented.
Hey, why not get rid of "bad landings" or is that considered a collision too?? :rofl
I'd rather see all collisions "ON" friendly and enemy. So there. :t
Bring back the Night :eek:
Can you imagine game play with all collisions on! "Hey, move over-I am trying to land!" reponse .... (insert explative) "I was here first" :D
If I had the power, well ... let's just leave it at that.
Badhorse, you would have hated the $30 a month and the sim 6+ years ago, it was a top notch sim, even then. Be thankful for what you DO have now. You have a right to state your position, but demanding to make this a sim that fits your needs when things don't go your way, will kill the whole thing for everyone.
If you want a user-definable "game" I can make you a copy of my "Gamestorm CD" with Air Warrior Classic. It has all kinds of cool settings and even has Offline Scenarios and stuff you can do..... and, there is an "Easy" (Novice) setting, with no blackouts, no stalls...and I think, unlimited ammo!! $2 plus S&H-to cover costs.
(not sure it works with XP-but is cool with WIN95 and 98.)
I did a google search for you, if ya want to try and find it for free...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Air+Warrior+Classic+downloads&btnG=Google+Search
K-KEN
http://www.cutthroats.com/
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Simple solution. Whenever you see that someone has collided with you, just bail out. If you want to die everytime someone else registers a collision, fine. I personally think that's an absolutely horrible idea. You want to die, fine; auger, bail, whatever, but don't ask that the rest of us get crappy gameplay simply because you can't understand how the system works. I think that if I manage to avoid a collision, that I should get away unscathed. Apparently a lot of people do, including the only guy with an opinion that matters.
All of these collision threads are stupid, but this one takes the cake.
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Originally posted by Flayed1
Also had a guy that flew with me that had a scale modle of some form of Spitfire. We kept telling him to slow it down but he wouldn't listen and kept flying full throttle all the time. One day we were flying at marsh and he upped the spit, flew around for a couple minuits and RIP! Off pop the wings. I have never heard shuch a sceam out of a .40 engine, he didn't even throttle back after the wings came off. Wings fluttered slowly to the ground and the rest looked like a missile. It hit the mud sending up a 6' jet of water. All that was left was the stabalizers that marked the spot where he had to sink his arm up to his armpit just to get the engine and radio gear.
Sorry not trying to hijack the thread I just started typing and wellll...:)
:rofl Sounds like something i'd do.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
I think someone came up with a good idea, don't know if it's coadable -
a) If BOTH FE's see the collision, there is a collision.
b) If only one FE sees the collision, there isn't one.
c) In the case of (a) BOTH parties take catastrophic damage.
Might as well take the collisions out then. That wouldn't change anything. Collisions would become extremely rare, and would still cause whines.
On the other hand combat tactics would change as intentionally flying through your target would make hitting a piece of cake.
In short we need collisions as they are. Man up and deal with it when you get one. It doesn't matter that much.
Heck, in the 4 years I flew in AH I had less than 10 collisions. I think the biggest problem is that people whine about the other guy not avoiding the collision for them. They want to be able to focus on killing the other guy and whine when their focus gets them killed.
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turn on friendly collisions
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Originally posted by Kev367th
I think someone came up with a good idea, don't know if it's coadable -
a) If BOTH FE's see the collision, there is a collision.
b) If only one FE sees the collision, there isn't one.
c) In the case of (a) BOTH parties take catastrophic damage.
Keve may want to do a search on this one. I think its been, oh, a full 3 or 4 days since HT pointed out that he's already tried this in a previous game....and it was an unmitigated disaster since it INCREASED the number of HO attacks. That changed teh entire flight dynamic and made the arena uinsufferably frustrating for people who liked the strategy of ACM.
You guys who are frustrated with collsions -- please use the search key. This dead horse has been beaten into a soft paste, spread out in a thin layer over 4 counties.
The short version -- you get a collision message because you flew too close to him and hit him. If you dont want to collide, stop doing that.
It's no harder than that. That is the entire solution.
Try it -- it works!
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Originally posted by K-KEN
Be thankful for what you DO have now. You have a right to state your position, but demanding to make this a sim that fits your needs when things don't go your way, will kill the whole thing for everyone.
K-Ken please read my orignal post. I asked. (even said please twice). I did not demand.
Also I do appreciate this game. I wouldn't have sign on if I didn't enjoy it. But I am frustrated with the collision model.
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it isnt the matter of getting rid of it but giving both planes the damage. Pyro, or Hitech please give both planes damage, i really do not understand how you know who gets the damage and who doesnt. Just give both damage and that will discourage rams.
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Originally posted by 1epic1
it isnt the matter of getting rid of it but giving both planes the damage. Pyro, or Hitech please give both planes damage, i really do not understand how you know who gets the damage and who doesnt. Just give both damage and that will discourage rams.
Epic, you dont really understand the internet....what you ask for is worse than what we have now. With you're suggestion, you would be exploding from collisions the other guys saw on his ocomputer when you're 500 feet away on your computer.
Sound like fun?
Here are the details....and these are only the threads HT actually responded to. If you look through the boards at all, you'll see one of these collision complaint threads every 5-7 days anymore.
here's one HiTech explained stuff in (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=172837&highlight=collision)
Here's one of the most recent ones (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=179198&highlight=collision)
And here's another one that has lats of deatil and HT comments (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=176947&highlight=collision)
And as I said before, if you dont want to collide then stop hitting things. You wont collide anymore....I promise!
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Flayd here's my spit from a Pica 1/5th scale kit 88" wingspan 22.5 lbs quadra 52M under the hood. BTW the jug had a Brison 5.8 CU IN. 10HP on elect ignition. New jug kit is in closet waiting for build, this time will be a razorback version done in Gabresky scheme
Sorry Scherf that pony is a keeper.
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Originally posted by 1epic1
it isnt the matter of getting rid of it but giving both planes the damage. Pyro, or Hitech please give both planes damage, i really do not understand how you know who gets the damage and who doesnt. Just give both damage and that will discourage rams.
Still amazes me that people are so clueless about the internet.
Recently I was stuck flying with a satelite connection that gave me close to a 1000ms ping. If HTC did what YOU wanted them to do, on your FE I would be 600' away, and you would get ram damage. On YOUR computer, I would not be anywhere close to, I would be super far away, but on MY FE due to my horrible Internet Connection, I would see a RAM.
Ok, just to be clear. If HTC did what you asked, you would get damage from players who see rams on their Computer, but you didn't. Are you SURE that is what you want to happen?
They could be 1k out, and you would suddenly take damage from the ram.
THAT is what you want to happen??
Really???
Odd.
Sounds like a HORRIBLE idea to me.
Kudos to HTC. The current ram model is the best thing that can be done until the internet takes a huge leap forward.
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<----hands lute roll of TP to clean nose.
Turn friendly collisions on kill shooter is on so why not only downside would be upping same time but i'm sure that can be worked around such as once airborne it's active. seems doable , already can external view a/c on ground but once airborne it is inactivated.
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I think that badhorse and epic need to get back to basics ... learn how to fly.
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Originally posted by 1epic1
Just give both damage and that will discourage rams.
It will encourage rams on a large scale
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Originally posted by badhorse
I'm writing this while I am still angry. HTC will you please, please get rid of collisions. I am so tired of seeing " so-so collided with you" as I dangle from a chute and watch him fly away chuckling and talking bad about my mama.
Just make it like you have for friendlies.
If you see a message that someone else collided with you it means they took the damage, not you. Do not change the collision model, it is the perfect compromise the way it is now.
If you were dangling from a chute the only collision you need to worry about was between your plane and the enemy's bullets.
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RTO.
I like your Pony better than both the T-Bolt, and the Spit.;)