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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SaburoS on June 11, 2006, 03:28:42 PM
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Wow, just played my first day. What a blast! Much better than paintball for the flatter, faster bb's of airsoft. Plus the Airsoft guns are just so uncanny in their apearance to the real thing.
My EOTech sight just did not let me down. If I had them in my sights, they were hit. Wow, I found a new sport. What fun!
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Airsoft?
See I loved paintball. Had an SMG-60 and loved putting machine gun fire on em. Couldnt find ammo for it anymore so got a Tippman 68, basically same thing minus full auto.
Ive seen the Airsoft guns...some really sharp M4-look alikes out there
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Does the ammunition leave marks on the person being hit or do you have to depend on their honesty?
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You can get paint filled airsoft bb's and I think the most common size is 6mm. Those suckers will put a nice little whelp on you if you are hit on a place with little to no covering. My son has a single shot HK MP5 airsoft copy and a P90 electric full auto; the HK is what I allow him to use around the neighborhood but the P90 is strictly target shooting.
Here are the P90 specs on that one plus what it came with for $30:
* Removable rail mounted scope
* Safety switch.
* NiCad Battery pack and charger
* Fixed Orange Tip Barrel
* Shoots 6 mm Pellets
Package Includes:
* Safety Goggles
* Strap (Sling)
* BB's small pack (150)
* Rail system (suitable for laser/scope, etc..)
Details
* Weight: 3.6 Lbs
* Size: 25.5" Long * 9.5" Tall
* Capacity: 400 rounds
* Velocity: 220 FPS / 50-100 Feet
* Type: Electric
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Airsoft is alot of fun, I used to play all the time with my friends. There is an Airsoft field around where I live, Ive never been there but I heard it was really cool, it used to be for paint ball and the guy rents out M4s and Ak47s with 2x 300 round mags. Its like $50 to play all day. I have a spring Colt 1911 by UHC. Good places to see are http://www.redwolfairsoft.com and I bought mine at http://www.airsoftatlanta.com.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Does the ammunition leave marks on the person being hit or do you have to depend on their honesty?
Well, from my buddy that's been playing for a bit, he says it's an honor system and much more honest than paintball. Some players used to wipe off the paint hits. The airsoft crowd is much more friendly as well. It was my first day and have to say that I see playing it for a long time. Good way to get exercise (man, I'm sore). One of the guys was using a hot gun (was set for outdoors) so when I got hit, man it stung. I've got 5 mini welts on my left leg from two separate hits.
More mature crowd than paintball also as some fields won't let those under 18 play. No reason for us older gents to not play. Because of the higher velocity and flatter trajectory of the bbs, it rewards tactics and marksmanship.
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When you get a good gun that's what happens, When you get the POS $20 gun I got....those 6MM plastic pellets drop insanely fast. On the other hand there is a much larger variety of airsoft weapons available from machine guns to shotguns to handguns. If you have a big enough field I don't see why you would even have to pay $50 to play airsoft, space is limited some places though... Glad you had fun, I enjoy both, watching the paintballs fly overhead or hearing the BBs from an M16 are both pretty heart pounding experiences.
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Originally posted by LePaul
Airsoft?
See I loved paintball. Had an SMG-60 and loved putting machine gun fire on em. Couldnt find ammo for it anymore so got a Tippman 68, basically same thing minus full auto.
Ive seen the Airsoft guns...some really sharp M4-look alikes out there
LePaul,
Some guns are so uncanny in how they look and feel. Some even have the original factory markings.
Keep in mind the laws of physics when purchasing one as they mostly are the same internals. Range and accuracy are similar so pick the one that looks best to you.
I've convinced some players after yesterdays play that my Tokyo Mauri P90 TR (generally considered a "beginner's" gun) is everybit as accurate as any other gun. As a matter of fact, my buddy said he never saw an airsoft gun so accurate when we were shooting mine in his back yard.
It helps to have a real sight, lol.
I chrono'd my gun after yesterdays play. Most shots registered from 288-290 fps with a couple going down to 285 and a couple going up to 292. Vey consistent.
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I just started too, I have to say, the accuracy of the weapons makes it far more fun. Plus, I think the fact that it's a faster velocity, will make everyone more honest....who wants to keep getting hit from the pellets :) .
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Originally posted by Seraphim
I just started too, I have to say, the accuracy of the weapons makes it far more fun. Plus, I think the fact that it's a faster velocity, will make everyone more honest....who wants to keep getting hit from the pellets :) .
Yeah, what's great is when you're hitting your opponent and they have no idea where it's coming from as mine is very, very quiet. Silenced. Think about it, high rate of fire 800-900 rpm, silent, accurate, light weight, comfortable to shoot...
Hmmm is there any other choice? :D
I recommend a quality sight such as an EOTech or an Aimpoint M2 or M3. Make sure you check for paralax error before you purchase your sight though.
To test, but batteries in and turn it on. Set it on a solid surface so the targeting point is on a target around 50-100 yards out. Move your head so the targeting point is moving around in the glass. Do not move the sight while doing this! The point should stay on target. If it strays off target, it is not functioning properly.
Edit - Added: I was using three high cap mags (300 rounds each). I had failure to feed malfunctions in almost every game yesterday. I was able to clear it fast enough so overall this is still my fav.
Also, make sure you get some plexiglass discs or squares to cover the front of your sight as you don't want a damaged sight from a direct hit.
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Originally posted by nirvana
When you get a good gun that's what happens, When you get the POS $20 gun I got....those 6MM plastic pellets drop insanely fast. On the other hand there is a much larger variety of airsoft weapons available from machine guns to shotguns to handguns. If you have a big enough field I don't see why you would even have to pay $50 to play airsoft, space is limited some places though... Glad you had fun, I enjoy both, watching the paintballs fly overhead or hearing the BBs from an M16 are both pretty heart pounding experiences.
I used to play paintball several years ago. Got tired of the childish attitudes and the way the paintball gun had to be fired in the game as well as the poor tactics involved.
Bad to learn as firing the paintball gun is about hosing using the tracer method not even using a cheek weld* and sight picture. The trigger squeeze is non existant, just bad overall.
Switching to Airsoft (although it was an indoor game) was so refreshingly different on so many levels that I'll probably never play paintball again. I haven't missed it for the last several years anyway.
I used the dark bb's so indoor they could not be seen.
I was hitting guys that had only about 2-3" of their body sticking out. Surprised the heck out of them especially since they couldn't see me or hear the shots.
Funny thing was was that I was the only one not in camo.
I had a light grey top with white on it, a light khaki pair of cargo pants, and a pair of brite red mechanics gloves. Everyone else wore woodland camo.
Edit: Oops forgot.
*Make sure the facemask you choose will allow you to get a proper cheek weld. I found that a cheaper ($30.00 Proto mask) worked better than those costing more than double.
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Originally posted by LePaul
Airsoft?
See I loved paintball. Had an SMG-60 and loved putting machine gun fire on em. Couldnt find ammo for it anymore so got a Tippman 68, basically same thing minus full auto.
Ive seen the Airsoft guns...some really sharp M4-look alikes out there
I scoffed at Airsoft when I first heard one of my buddies taling about it. Sounds like it may be funner than I gave it credit for. I have 3 fine Tippmans just gathering dust. Time for ebay?:D Hate to part with my full auto A5 with a flatline on it thought:(
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Just try an AK-47 or PSG-1 :D
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Airsoft is neutered paintball. I play/played, but can't get an adrenaline rush from it. Even if some guy is 5 feet away, there's no fear that it's going to really freakin' hurt if I make a mistake. That, and almost all of the airsoft players I've run into just don't have anywhere near the aggression level of paintball players :(
Stay away from the airsoft "paintball" pellets. They will shred in your gears and ruin the rest of your day (and the next several as you attempt to clean in it, reassemble it, and pray it works)
Just like paintball, 95% of the time, the person will call themselves out when you shoot them... if they feel it, which you often don't, 6mm or 68cal. The other 5% you have to shoot until they can't handle the pain anymore. My personal rule is to shoot them until they call themselves out. If the first one doesn't do it for them, 14 rps gets them to change their mind fast. Works almost everytime. Sometimes they run and you have to chase them, shooting them in the back and screaming that they're a worthless, n00b, cheating potato.
Airsoft guns shoot too flat :( Most like it.. I even do to a certain extent.. but I think it's very limiting. Since concealment is just as good as solid cover in both, paintball guns can let you drop shots and shoot around corners in a way airsoft guns simply can't.
If you want aggressive airsoft, you have to go to Japan. Unfortunately, all of the non-paintball airsoft players we've run into have this really bad idea stuck in their head... they want to be "tactical". Got a useless silencer and laser sight? That's tactical. Got a helmet on? That's tactical. Carrying an extra 30 pounds of crap that you're never, ever gonna use? That's tactical. Got a 10x scope for those scary very long range 50 yard engagements... that's tactical. Cornering 10 airsoft armed paintball players in a 40 on 10 situation and still having your flank rolled in 2 minutes... that's reality.
Sub... here's a drill Swarm (from the MA) taught me for those shots where they're just hanging out alittle bit. Say... the very edge of an elbow, heel, or toe is sticking out from their bunker...
Find yourself a friend with a stopwatch, and a good bunker, with your target bunker however far away you're comfortable with. Tape a quarter up at the target bunker. Just hanging off the side, on the bunker, doesn't really matter, as long as you have a quarter sized target. Tuck into your bunker, and post up on the quarter. Sit there tucked up and wait up to 5 minutes. When the command is given (it's kinda random to keep you on your toes), 1-shot the quarter. If you miss, get comfy, you get to do the fun wait part again.
Next, find yourself a telephone poll, tree.. whatever.. and tape up a row of paper plates about chest height. Back up to where you're comfortable, and begin walking in a circle and shooting the plates. Gradually pick up your pace. After awhile of this drill, you should be able to put all your shots into the plates at a dead run. Personally, this is what I'm really bad at. However, people that master this drill get very, very dangerous on the field.
Only problem with airsoft and paintball is that they're so far from realistic... it's gonna take Simunitions to really make it believable.
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Originally posted by bikekil
Just try an AK-47 or PSG-1 :D
Get whatever floats your boat, you're the one that gets to shoot it and carry it around :)
Edit: Don't be shocked when my P90 that is quiet, fast, and is everybit as accurate as your PSG-1 semi only Airsoft rifle :D
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Originally posted by SaburoS
I used to play paintball several years ago. Got tired of the childish attitudes and the way the paintball gun had to be fired in the game as well as the poor tactics involved.
Bad to learn as firing the paintball gun is about hosing using the tracer method not even using a cheek weld* and sight picture. The trigger squeeze is non existant, just bad overall.
Did you ever try stock class.
To me stock class is much more fun.
Bronk
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Originally posted by indy007
Airsoft is neutered paintball. I play/played, but can't get an adrenaline rush from it. Even if some guy is 5 feet away, there's no fear that it's going to really freakin' hurt if I make a mistake. That, and almost all of the airsoft players I've run into just don't have anywhere near the aggression level of paintball players :(
Yeah, my buddy still plays paintball, I used to (about 7 years ago). They were rather timid. We were aggressive and took up tactical positions that gave us a good vantage point of their side.
Edit: added....I've got 5 mini welts on my left leg that hurt like the dickens in two games I got shot in (I never saw the guy). He was shooting a hot gun, but it was all fun anyway.
Originally posted by indy007
Stay away from the airsoft "paintball" pellets. They will shred in your gears and ruin the rest of your day (and the next several as you attempt to clean in it, reassemble it, and pray it works)
Plus they leave a lot to be desired from an accuracy standpoint. I never considered it.
Originally posted by indy007
Snip~My personal rule is to shoot them until they call themselves out. ~snip
That's my rule too :D
Originally posted by indy007
Airsoft guns shoot too flat :( Most like it.. I even do to a certain extent.. but I think it's very limiting. Since concealment is just as good as solid cover in both, paintball guns can let you drop shots and shoot around corners in a way airsoft guns simply can't.
That's exactly why I like Airsoft over paintball.
Originally posted by indy007
If you want aggressive airsoft, you have to go to Japan. Unfortunately, all of the non-paintball airsoft players we've run into have this really bad idea stuck in their head... they want to be "tactical". Got a useless silencer and laser sight? That's tactical. Got a helmet on? That's tactical. Carrying an extra 30 pounds of crap that you're never, ever gonna use? That's tactical. Got a 10x scope for those scary very long range 50 yard engagements... that's tactical. Cornering 10 airsoft armed paintball players in a 40 on 10 situation and still having your flank rolled in 2 minutes... that's reality.
LOL, yeah gotta love the laser toting ones. That's Hollywood, not tactical.
Originally posted by indy007
Sub... here's a drill Swarm (from the MA) taught me for those shots where they're just hanging out alittle bit. Say... the very edge of an elbow, heel, or toe is sticking out from their bunker...
Find yourself a friend with a stopwatch, and a good bunker, with your target bunker however far away you're comfortable with. Tape a quarter up at the target bunker. Just hanging off the side, on the bunker, doesn't really matter, as long as you have a quarter sized target. Tuck into your bunker, and post up on the quarter. Sit there tucked up and wait up to 5 minutes. When the command is given (it's kinda random to keep you on your toes), 1-shot the quarter. If you miss, get comfy, you get to do the fun wait part again.
Next, find yourself a telephone poll, tree.. whatever.. and tape up a row of paper plates about chest height. Back up to where you're comfortable, and begin walking in a circle and shooting the plates. Gradually pick up your pace. After awhile of this drill, you should be able to put all your shots into the plates at a dead run. Personally, this is what I'm really bad at. However, people that master this drill get very, very dangerous on the field.
My accuracy and hit percentage are fine. I hit guys that are moving just fine as I know how to lead my target.
Originally posted by indy007
Only problem with airsoft and paintball is that they're so far from realistic... it's gonna take Simunitions to really make it believable.
They are both games. Airsoft doesn't penalize marksmanship and tactics. By virtue of the ages of the players, a more mature attitude in Airsoft.
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Originally posted by Bronk
Did you ever try stock class.
To me stock class is much more fun.
Bronk
It's the parabolic flight of the paintball that makes using a sight not that much of an advantage. I like the idea of using firearms marksmanship in a game (airsoft) over paintball.
It's all a personal preference anyway. I used to think Airsoft was somewhat silly only to be pleasantly surprised. To each their own.
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Just a question here from a situation brought up in another thread.
What is better, high rate of fire or single aimed shots in either paint ball or airsoft?
Which tactic gets the win?
I'm gonna love this discussion. Got my popcorn, hotdogs and beer handy.
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It depends on the situation. Often in paintball you may be completely pinned into your bunker... but you're really not. There are almost always angles you work with. If you can't beat the guy with the best angle on you in a snap-shootout, play the angle just in front of him or another key forward bunker, and sweetspot it. You won't even see the guys running up, but you'll see them walking off after they run through your stream.
On top of that, when you have such a narrow viewpoint to play out of, you don't have time to sight, acquire, fire. Paintballs & airsoft bb's are simply too slow to make it happen. The only way to win that situation is to have a f*#!@*% lot of paint already on the way.
For the rifleman that hate any arguement for ROF... well, catch the pball championships on ESPN sometime. See how it's played, and look for how often the opportunity for a patient, aimed shot actually becomes available. It's virtually never in any type of competative format.
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In paintball, high rate of fire. Most use the tracer method of foollowing the shots. Those that play long enough know where their paint is generally going to land.
In Airsoft, a rapid rate of fire is preferred since there is NO recoil to fowl up the remaining shots. The faster, flatter (there is a hop up switch that allows controlled back spin to flatten that shot) trajectory allows for "truer" rewards of marksmanship.
I don't consider rate of fire the tactic. Ability to sweep a room properly, using cover and shadows is the preferred tactic. Aimed, accurate fire helps.
If you've been firing real guns for awhile, Airsoft shouldn't take much to get into it.
For paintball, you have to learn a whole new way of "shooting". Don't know if you want to do that.
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Originally posted by indy007
Snip~
On top of that, when you have such a narrow viewpoint to play out of, you don't have time to sight, acquire, fire. Paintballs & airsoft bb's are simply too slow to make it happen. The only way to win that situation is to have a f*#!@*% lot of paint already on the way.~Snip
Sorry but I've used the tactic of spotting someone and he me. I duck back under cover get my gun at the ready, souldered, looking through my sight. Pop out and fire a volley before he can react. Pop back in for cover. Hear the "hit" call from the other side.
Originally posted by indy007
For the rifleman that hate any arguement for ROF... well, catch the pball championships on ESPN sometime. See how it's played, and look for how often the opportunity for a patient, aimed shot actually becomes available. It's virtually never in any type of competative format.
You sir, just proved my point.
Paintball and Airsoft are really that different.
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I propose a game varient. One side gets to use the current automatic or semi automatic equipment. The other side gets to use single shot guns and optical sights. Which side will win, I wonder. :confused:
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I don't know about all that stuff, but I want one of these...
http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=779
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Sorry but I've used the tactic of spotting someone and he me. I duck back under cover get my gun at the ready, souldered, looking through my sight. Pop out and fire a volley before he can react. Pop back in for cover. Hear the "hit" call from the other side.
You sir, just proved my point.
Paintball and Airsoft are really that different.
You're talking about a snapshoot contest. Usually 1 on 1, both of you in bunkers. Several small bursts to try to establish dominance and the post-up position. You should happened to be shooting at somebody, that quite obviously, sucked. A good player will make this a very hard fought contest. The winner usually maintains dominance as best they can be filling the air with bb's aimed at the pop-out spot.
Hate to break it to you, but it happens the exact same way in paintball & airsoft. It's games of shooting either 6mm plastic or .68cal gel capsules at each other, trying to obtain superior angles. Angles lead to negating the effect of their cover, getting them shot out. Once they're shot out, manuver for another superior position and keep going until their team is wiped out. These are not real guns. There is no kick on higher end models, and no loss of accuracy, even with 20+, 30+, or 50+ bps modes. The only difference is you can make the line of paint or bb's much, much thicker. When you do that, you close that window where they can try to snapshoot you.
Now, since you brought up your story as a glorious testament to the effectiveness of rifleman... here's some questions for ya...
Why was your gun not shouldered?
Why did you have to take your eyes off the target, to spend time getting ready to take a shot, at where you hoped the target was at?
What if the target had *gasp* moved?
What if the target did not suck, and had 15 bps enroute to your pop-out spot?
Sounds like you were both caught with your pants down, and only his enormous lack of skill prevented a quick 1 for 1 or extended shootout.
All your story did was tell me there's people that suck in airsoft & paintball. :rofl
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Originally posted by SaburoS
I used to play paintball several years ago. Got tired of the childish attitudes and the way the paintball gun had to be fired in the game as well as the poor tactics involved.
Bad to learn as firing the paintball gun is about hosing using the tracer method not even using a cheek weld* and sight picture. The trigger squeeze is non existant, just bad overall.
Switching to Airsoft (although it was an indoor game) was so refreshingly different on so many levels that I'll probably never play paintball again. I haven't missed it for the last several years anyway.
I used the dark bb's so indoor they could not be seen.
I was hitting guys that had only about 2-3" of their body sticking out. Surprised the heck out of them especially since they couldn't see me or hear the shots.
Funny thing was was that I was the only one not in camo.
I had a light grey top with white on it, a light khaki pair of cargo pants, and a pair of brite red mechanics gloves. Everyone else wore woodland camo.
Edit: Oops forgot.
*Make sure the facemask you choose will allow you to get a proper cheek weld. I found that a cheaper ($30.00 Proto mask) worked better than those costing more than double.
Sub
Where did you play Airsoft at? I agree with the paintball thing, it has become a game of tag with paint. The idea of triggers that use two fingers and guns with no sites blows my mind, its like they took everything about being a good shot with a real firearm and threw it out.
They even don't like them being called guns.
"its a marker not a gun!"
I have a tokyo Marai M4, but I think its a POS the plastic receiver is so weak the barrel moves about half an inch up and down and side to side.
COurse I bought it before Clasic Army came out with the metal recivers.... lol.
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I love my Steyr AUG with Phantom kit, it's one heavy SOB, but I love the accuracy (long barrel + systema 6.04mm inner barrel + 130% spring).
(http://dna-airsoft.com/images/repliques-clients/steyr-florianmo.jpg)
Daniel
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Originally posted by indy007
You're talking about a snapshoot contest. Usually 1 on 1, both of you in bunkers. Several small bursts to try to establish dominance and the post-up position. You should happened to be shooting at somebody, that quite obviously, sucked. A good player will make this a very hard fought contest. The winner usually maintains dominance as best they can be filling the air with bb's aimed at the pop-out spot.
Hate to break it to you, but it happens the exact same way in paintball & airsoft. It's games of shooting either 6mm plastic or .68cal gel capsules at each other, trying to obtain superior angles. Angles lead to negating the effect of their cover, getting them shot out. Once they're shot out, manuver for another superior position and keep going until their team is wiped out. These are not real guns. There is no kick on higher end models, and no loss of accuracy, even with 20+, 30+, or 50+ bps modes. The only difference is you can make the line of paint or bb's much, much thicker. When you do that, you close that window where they can try to snapshoot you.
Now, since you brought up your story as a glorious testament to the effectiveness of rifleman... here's some questions for ya...
Why was your gun not shouldered?
Why did you have to take your eyes off the target, to spend time getting ready to take a shot, at where you hoped the target was at?
What if the target had *gasp* moved?
What if the target did not suck, and had 15 bps enroute to your pop-out spot?
Sounds like you were both caught with your pants down, and only his enormous lack of skill prevented a quick 1 for 1 or extended shootout.
All your story did was tell me there's people that suck in airsoft & paintball. :rofl
I was in the building, he was out on the field behind cover (there many "barricades" out there. I had my rifle at the low ready since I wanted to present the absolute smallest profile to my opponent(s). The moment I saw him I ducked back behind cover.
Shouldered my P90 looking through my sights. Popped out at a lower angle - sight picture- fired a burst-popped back behind cover. I knew I hit him. No back and fourth volley. My burst hit home. I knew it would.
Why don't you let it go and enjoy your paintball. All you're proving is having a chip on your shoulder, again proving my point the difference between paintball and airsoft. Move along for I'm not questioning your love of paintball nor your "tactics".
To each his own.
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Originally posted by SaburoS
It's all a personal preference anyway. I used to think Airsoft was somewhat silly only to be pleasantly surprised. To each their own.
Wasn't questioning airsoft better/worst than paintball.
I was just wondering if you had ever tried a stock class paintball game.
10 shot mag and 12 gram only game. Whole different style of play.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
Wasn't questioning airsoft better/worst than paintball.
I was just wondering if you had ever tried a stock class paintball game.
10 shot mag and 12 gram only game. Whole different style of play.
Bronk
No Bronk, I never tried stock class.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Sub
Where did you play Airsoft at? I agree with the paintball thing, it has become a game of tag with paint. The idea of triggers that use two fingers and guns with no sites blows my mind, its like they took everything about being a good shot with a real firearm and threw it out.
They even don't like them being called guns.
"its a marker not a gun!"
I have a tokyo Marai M4, but I think its a POS the plastic receiver is so weak the barrel moves about half an inch up and down and side to side.
COurse I bought it before Clasic Army came out with the metal recivers.... lol.
It was an indoor field in Hayward called Operation Paintball.
Man, you'd like it :D
Tokyo Marui are top quality (I really like the shot to shot consistency), but being made of plastic compared to the metal Classic Army, leaves a little to be desired on the toughness scale. My buddy bought a Classic Army one for his son for his Junior High graduation present. Cannot tell the difference from the real thing unless you look REAL close. The metal bodies do have a disadvantage as it seems to amplify the gearbox action noise.
LOL, I might just bring it to the 25 yard range if they allow it at the gun range. It is just that much fun!
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Originally posted by indy007
For the rifleman that hate any arguement for ROF... well, catch the pball championships on ESPN sometime. See how it's played, and look for how often the opportunity for a patient, aimed shot actually becomes available. It's virtually never in any type of competative format.
Comparing apples to oranges here with this "paintball vs Airsoft". I found the competition paintball boring and silly vs duking it out in the woods. Baggy pants and silly flashy jerseys and unloading gobs of overpriced paint from guns that cost more than my M1A Springfield in one game never floated my boat. Too bad I had to find that out after buying a Shocker 4x4 and WGP Autocrapper.:( Not bashing you Indy, you're just way at the other end of the spectrum from me.
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Nah, no chip. I play both ends of the spectrum. I just avoid the woods nowadays because without a new contact lens perscription... it's just a big green blob to me. :( Also have bad natural nightvision... without PVS-7s I find trees with my face.
I still think it's apples to apples. Same velocities, same ranges, same ability to get full cover from a shrub or piece of plywood that couldn't protect you from a .22, same angles, same drills, same fields (therefore, same tactics). If I had a serious beef with airsoft, I wouldn't have an TM M4 next to my Autococker.
I do have one little bias in an airsoft game though... on my team, I'd rather have people that crossed over from paintball, than a pure airsofter. People with paintball experience have no fear of the plastic bb's and play a more aggressive game.
plus the original question was what's better, marksmanship or ROF, not which is better airsoft or paintball. And imho, the answer is both :) Sometimes you gotta 1-shot people, sometimes you gotta sweetspot a line @ 14+ bps. Doesn't matter if it's a paintball or airsoft.