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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Creton on June 11, 2006, 11:11:07 PM
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The Blonde Knight of Germany (http://ahevents.org/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=138&Itemid=117)
“The Blonde Knight of Germany”
January 1945
Allied forces had just defeated Hitler’s advancing army. The Battle of the Bulge had finally come to an end. All that remained was to push the now weakening Luftwaffe back across the Rhine River.
Allied forces are mounting an offensive attack against the Germans that ensure their victory. While the Allied forces prepare for their last charge, the Luftwaffe launches a counter offensive against the weapons factories that drive the Allied war machine.
Hermann Göring, the highest figure in Hitler’s Hierarchy and sole commandant of the once mighty Luftwaffe,
Realizes that Germany’s reign of air superiority is quickly drawing an end. In a hope to inspire the demoralized
ranks, he orders Eric Hartmann in a teletext :
“ You will be the Fuhrer’s Sword to strike a mighty blow to the western beast that threatens our noble cause.
By example the ranks of mighty men will follow you in this glorious duty of purifying our lands.”
Unbeknownst to the German’s. Allied intelligence had intercepted this message and were ready to defend the ground that so many had already gave their lives for. Eager for battle and coming off the recent victories, the young rookie pilot, Lawrence Thompson, who on his 7th mission and yet to score a kill, meets the “Blonde Knight of Germany” Eric Hartmann. What ensues is a battle that will make history
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Ahh, ya wimped out to the anti Spit 16 crowd :)
No way they'd have been flying Spit FIXs at that point. The Spitties were LFIXe's or LFXVIe's with clipped wings and tall tails for the most part. They were ground attack birds maximized for the low alt tac war.
How bout skipping the FIXs and giving em the right Spit for the time which would be the LFXVIe which of course is nothing more then a Spit LFIXe with the American Packard Merlin 266 instead of the Rolls Merlin 66 of the LFIXe. Same bird.
The LW has all thier late war birds. Why'd ya punish the RAF guys? :)
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Maybe he's a German and just hates the RAF? :D
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"The LW has all thier late war birds. Why'd ya punish the RAF guys?"
Like FW190A8? Why is Luft punished? :D
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Originally posted by Creton
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/966_1150084199_77_1086407721_109spitoverwater.jpg)
I like this pic...the 109 looks like it has window tints :D
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Ahh, ya wimped out to the anti Spit 16 crowd :)
No way they'd have been flying Spit FIXs at that point. The Spitties were LFIXe's or LFXVIe's with clipped wings and tall tails for the most part. They were ground attack birds maximized for the low alt tac war.
How bout skipping the FIXs and giving em the right Spit for the time which would be the LFXVIe which of course is nothing more then a Spit LFIXe with the American Packard Merlin 266 instead of the Rolls Merlin 66 of the LFIXe. Same bird.
The LW has all thier late war birds. Why'd ya punish the RAF guys? :)
Funny thing is, it was added as the XVI not the LF IXe because it was thought it would be useful for events.
It has had the complete opposite effect, any excuse is trotted out to specifically exclude it from events even if it was present in the time period.
Might be time for the following -
a) Retag ingame as LF IX
b) Give 50cal option = May/June 1944
c) Give .303 option = Mid 1943
Although the VIII was supposed to be the sub for the LF IXc.
So for the 1943 - 1945 period -
LF IXc = Spit VIII (mid '43 ---->)
LF IXe = Spit XVI (May / June '44 ---->)
As Dan correctly siad the F IX had all but been phased out barring a very few special cases, a single FR IX sqn for example.
Thinking about it - it's probably the reason Pyro had second thoughts about the Seafire LIII.
It would be excluded from events it was historically part of because it's basically the "old" Spit Vc navalised.
[EDIT] Even Pyro recognises the LF IXe and XVI were the same plane, by allowing LF IXe skins on the XVI.
Thread were I asked him for his thoughts -
http://www.flyaceshigh.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=174903
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And the Jihad begins!
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Originally posted by Charge
"The LW has all thier late war birds. Why'd ya punish the RAF guys?"
Like FW190A8? Why is Luft punished? :D
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Fw190A-8 is not in that OOB.
Bf 109G-14
Bf 109K-4
Fw 190D-9
Ta 152H
Me 262
Ju88A-4
Ar 234
vs
P-51D
P-47D-40
P-47N
Spitfire Mk IX
Spitfire Mk XIV
Tempest Mk V
B-26B
The two aircraft that jump out as out of place and wrong to me are the Ju88A-4 and the Spitfire Mk IX. The Ju88A-4 because the Germans lack a more modern, piston engined bomber, something I and others have long advocated for. The Spitfire Mk IX because it is a 1942 Spitfire F.Mk IX which, as Kev noted, was out of service by that stage of the war. The Spitfire Mk XVI is the appropriate fighter to use. Using the Spitfire Mk IX is like using the Bf109G-2.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Funny thing is, it was added as the XVI not the LF IXe because it was thought it would be useful for events.
It has had the complete opposite effect, any excuse is trotted out to specifically exclude it from events even if it was present in the time period.
Might be time for the following -
a) Retag ingame as LF IX
b) Give 50cal option = May/June 1944
c) Give .303 option = Mid 1943
Although the VIII was supposed to be the sub for the LF IXc.
So for the 1943 - 1945 period -
LF IXc = Spit VIII (mid '43 ---->)
LF IXe = Spit XVI (May / June '44 ---->)
As Dan correctly siad the F IX had all but been phased out barring a very few special cases, a single FR IX sqn for example.
Thinking about it - it's probably the reason Pyro had second thoughts about the Seafire LIII.
It would be excluded from events it was historically part of because it's basically the "old" Spit Vc navalised.
[EDIT] Even Pyro recognises the LF IXe and XVI were the same plane, by allowing LF IXe skins on the XVI.
Thread were I asked him for his thoughts -
http://www.flyaceshigh.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=174903
Damn it kev you just don't get it. If the XVI is used... None of the UBER Luftwaffe will fly that set up. No matter how historically correct it is. The spit XVI is just to unballencing.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
We need a better sarcasm emotitard .:D
Bronk
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but that's how it was. if the luftwaffe were at a disadvantage, why change that in an historic event??? :confused: :confused:
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I for one think the spit16 is one of the most uber planes in the game, and unbalances almost any scenario it's in.
However, you've got a very mixed plane setup, and spit16s will only take up part of that. On top of that you have high-end planes like doras, k-4s, p51ds, p47s, etc etc... A few spit16s will actually round off the setup nicely.
Hey, you never know until you try.
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Originally posted by Pooface
but that's how it was. if the luftwaffe were at a disadvantage, why change that in an historic event??? :confused: :confused:
Notice the sarcasm comment poof?
If there was a sarcasm meter it'd be off the chart.
Bronk
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P.S. What the freaking HELL is a P47N doing in this setup???
In no way does it fit. It doesn't even fill in for the P47M (which was rarer still!)!
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Originally posted by Krusty
A few spit16s will actually round off the setup nicely.
Hey, you never know until you try.
As Dan correctly said the F IX had all but been phased out barring a very few special cases
Which in conclusion would mean the spits involved would be??????????
Bronk
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Correct Spits for 1945 -
VIII - Subbing for the Mid 1943 LF IXc (which is what it is SUPPOSED to do).
XVI - As the Mid 1944 LF IXe (same frickin plane)
XIV - Although a little rare, so most should be XVI's and VIII's.
Should be NO F IX's whatsover, unless your going to have an fighter/recce part to the event. About the only F IX's left by '45 were used as FR IX's.
Basically any event mid 43 would feature -
VIII as the LF IXc
F IX (mostly)
From June 44 onwards
VIII as the LF IXc
XVI as the LF IXe
FR IX fulfilling the single sdns role as FR IX's.
Between mid 43 and June 44 the balance would switch from the majority being F IX's to almost all being being LF IXc's and LF IXe's.
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WOW FSO made it GD, your all going to die