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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: TalonX on June 12, 2006, 03:18:34 PM
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P51D with cannons.
Hey, everyone keeps pointing out that this isn't real life or even exactly modelled like real life, so I can dream.
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Originally posted by TalonX
P51D with cannons.
Hey, everyone keeps pointing out that this isn't real life or even exactly modelled like real life, so I can dream.
A-36 no need to dream. Just early Allison powered with no supercharger.
Bronk
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Mustang I, early british allison version with 4 hispanos -- also not super/turbo charged.
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Memory serves correct, all Allison V-1710 V-12 aircraft engines had at least one crank driven single stage single speed centrifugal supercharger. The Allison has only 6:1 compression, and without any supercharger at all would barely make 500HP.
Allison V-1710 engines without an EXTRA supercharger, such as the GE turbocharger on the P-38, were less than stellar performers over 15K.
The War Production Board and the USAAC/USAAF never saw fit to have a better supercharger installed on the Allison.
Were it to have been equipped with a two stage two speed supercharger, high altitude performance would have been roughly equal to the Rolls Royce/Packard Merlin series.
Of course, for many of the same reasons, it was almost always coupled to that crappy Curtiss Electric prop.
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a guy was talkin about a 51 with hispanos in the m/a. He said it was a late model though. If u can get some links or info on i would love to see it.
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check out the A-36 movies at Zeno's. there are some P-51s in it (P-51 was the US name for the 20mm Mustangs. P-51a & everything after had 0.50, except maybe that turboprop Piper. Anyone know what guns were on that one?)...from what i've read it sounds like when they were introduced, those Allison powered Mustangs were just about the fastest thing around below 10k by a lot. The RAF pilots liked them a lot....hasn't all this info been here a hundred times by now?
20mm is too small, LW has 30mm & VVS has 37mm
nook
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this is new ro me.
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Consider the average pork 'n' run, timid and won't fight Runstang dweeb.
Now, give him Hispanos.
Still a good idea?
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Originally posted by Saxman
Consider the average pork 'n' run, timid and won't fight Runstang dweeb.
Now, give him Hispanos.
Still a good idea?
Would be different than seeing the same tiffys doing it.
Bronk
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Before i start sayin"look at this guy he's runin" i look around me. If there nothin but green around and he's the only red it makes sense that he's runin. I seen more typos run then 51s. Alot of guys that complain about 51s are the guys that fly the tnb planes. Ditch the tnb and get somethin faster so u can chase.
I catch alot of the pork an run guys, and trust me there not all 51s, dweebs come in all models.
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The point is that the 51 better lends itself to runners than most of the plane set. Also, it's NOT just the solo porker or vulcher zipping into a heavily defended area (who are irritating enough as it is). I've had more 51s run from me in 1vs1 fights than anything except maybe ElGays (Typhoons and Tempests excluded, as they're not encountered anywhere NEAR as often as the 51).
Stick a 51 with Hizookas in here and you'll get a HO 'n' Go dweeb magnet even WORSE than the La-7.
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u wont get worst then la7, i go out on sorties and see nothin but them for 20 minutes.
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Put Hispanos on the P-51 and guaranteed that would change unless there's a MASSIVE perk cost.
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U noe its goin to be perked, just like the c hog. They wont perk the dweeb planes because then they will start complaining, but f4us are perked and a 51 with cannons will be perked. It should just cost like a c hog, not expensive but the dweebs that do nothin but ho and run wont be able to afford many of them. People say, "dont unperk c hog its a ho machine" these are the people that arent in the m/a and see the countless typos hurrcs LA7s niks that do this all day.
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Guys... we're forgetting something here...
The A36 Apache was by no means a speed demon. It's slower than a Niki/Typhy and didn't exactly handle like a Spitfire...
It packed a punch to be sure, but would by no means be Uber... Imagine a P40E with cannons and thats it... a couple of good turns and then it would be a pig.
There's a reason why this version of the Mustang didnt become the dominant force the other did...
So I seriously doubt it would need to be perked... But I do think it would be a fun addition to the game... variety being the spice of life and all :D
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The problem with the A-36 was using a liquid-cooled engine for a ground-attack aircraft. She lacked the durability of the P-47 and other air-cooled birds. Also, as mentioned she lacked acceptable performance at higher altitudes meaning she wasn't useable as the high-altitude escort the P-51B and later models became. THAT is why she largely fell out of use.
However the performance stats posted on this board in previous threads shows that in the MA conditions of the low-altitude furball the A-36 would be a monster. By far one of the fastest under 10k alt
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I did a little bit of research on cannon armed Mustangs. 150 cannon armed Mustang Mk Ias were built, initially intended for the RAF. However only 95 were delivered to the British. The rest of the order was taken over by the USAAF and converted into F-6As. The RAF aircraft saw a lot of action over northern Europe from 42 to 44. 35 of the USAAF aircraft were sent to the 154th observation squadron in Tunisia in April 43. In both cases the aircraft flew low altitude reconnaisance and ground attack sorties.
It would be interesting to see an altitude/speed chart for Allison and Merlin Mustangs. I'd guess the drag from the cannons would knock off 5-10mph.
This would probably be the earliest operational perked aircraft if it was done. I can't think of another plane which would need to be perked that was operational earlier than 1944. Can anyone else think of one?
I'd guess its a bit too rare an aircraft to ever get done by HTC though. OTOH they did do the Me163.......
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Did you see the A-36 movie at Zeno's (http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/)?
There seem to be cannon armed P-51s in that flim that are not contained in your research.