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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Simaril on June 13, 2006, 12:25:04 PM
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Hitech:
I have a question. To set the stage, let me place a couple quotes....
originally posted by Hitech
........Why we do not tolerate personal attacks on this bbs. Because they lead to bad blood between people. Problems or acuzations should be emailed to HTC.
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This behavior will not be tolerated and if you wish to remain a member of AcesHigh and this bbs you will imidiatly stop this behavior both on the bbs and in the arena.
EagleEyes: I apologize for letting you get caught in the middle of this.
In conclusion if you think someone is abusing our system, email us, posting accuzations on this board will not be tollerated.
HiTech
originally posted by Hitech
KaTnIp: Hope you enjoyed your point, because you will not be flying with us after this week end.
HiTech
(I also remembered a quote about the community policing itself, but couldnt track it down.)
In any case, I'm really confused about what HTC's expectations are about score padding. On one hand, when Katnip admitted to deliberately padding after getting the #1 position, he was disciplined. There was no disaproval for the ones who "outed" the situation. And, somewhere along the line, somebody from HTC made a comment to the effect that the community was responsible for discovering padding.
Now we see another score padding episode, where the ?perpetrator (cant think of a neutral word) benefited with a good score but where he said it was an accidental byproduct of having fun. (I admit to some scepticism, because his buddy didnt get to reciprocate....but thats beside the point.) Anyway, in this situation the "outer" was scolded and the ?perpetrator got an apology.
We're told to email you if we suspect your system's being abused, but we have no idea what you consider abusive, and what you consider "par" for a course filled with competitive, creative players.
Please tell us what HTC considers "crossing the line!!!"
Is score padding -- multiple unopposed kills resulting in inflated scoring -- "abusing the system"??
Does intent make a difference to you?
Do you even want us involved in this stuff, or was the rebuke to AP more about past behavior than the current rather innocuously phrased first post?
It's clear that you have strong feelings about what's gone on. To be fair, its also clear that some people invest enormous amounts of time and practice into honestly improving their ranks -- it matters to them, and allowing unchallenged padding would be like letting open steroid users beat "straight" weightlifters in the Olympics. And posting the ranks, to be blunt, means that you have a vested interest in their legitimacy.
(Personally, I think that those who pad should be allowed to do so, but that scores with disproportionate kills of a few players should be disqualified from the rankings.)
HT, I am in no way arguing or challenging anything thats been done. Although I've rambled a little off my thesis, I'm really asking for a simple clarification: please post your expectations for scoring behavior, jsut as you've posted rulles for the BBS.
With respect,
Simaril
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There is a score in this game?
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Originally posted by Simaril
On one hand, when Katnip admitted to deliberately padding after getting the #1 position, he was disciplined. There was no disaproval for the ones who "outed" the situation.
You got it wrong Simaril.
The thread with Katnip wasn't direct accusation of a player but was questioning HTC why names of those get 'honored' on the home page.
Later on, Katnip 'proved' the point and as consequence, he was severely punished (forced to move into shades according to undisclosed source).
Joedog thread was cheating allegation and that's not allowed according to forum rules (infamous rule # 8).
Originally posted by Simaril
And, somewhere along the line, somebody from HTC made a comment to the effect that the community was responsible for discovering padding.
No, it was about vox abuse and about community using reporting tools given by HTC. The email by Skuzzy was simply misquoted and taken out of context.
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I would say it's quite easy to understand what your supposed to do.
Email(or call) HTC regarding any concerns about score padding/cheating. this BBS is not the place for it.
It seems to me that those who bring their accusations here to the BBS will be treated with the same disdain as those who engage in the aforementioned activities.
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I guess thats my question: is scorepadding considered cheating by HTC?
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If he considered score padding to be cheating he would disable scores.
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Originally posted by Simaril
I guess thats my question: is scorepadding considered cheating by HTC?
No, I would say it is considered "unethical" behavior.
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If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then is probably cheating or at the worst unethical.
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I see the point in wanting score padding reported to HT and kept off the boards - in some respects it could give the game and the community a black eye. BUT what action will be taken when this information is passed on to HT? IMO the question isn't whether or not the community considers this ethical or unethical - obviously many of us do - but what is HT's position and what steps will (or won't they) take in response. Some clarification would be helpful - and it would be swell to see a certain players name removed from the home page for their #1 "ranking".
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We do not draw lines in behavior because it turns into a never ending chase of you said this is the line , and it did not explictly say that this wasn't over the line.
I Have no idea where this "that the community was responsible for discovering padding" comes from.
The point of my post is, that ALL problems anyone has with a players behavior should be handled directly with HTC, and not publicly.
As for what the consiquences will be, that is us to decided as we see fit.
HiTech
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Then too, you have some different situations going on. On one hand we have a couple of guys, friends, who constantly kill each other and pad their score. Funny. A little sad. But unethical? Eh.
Then you have a guy who opens a shade account. Actually pays for a second account so he can sit there and kill it over and over again and artificially raise his K/D and pad his score. Less funny. Even more sad. Very unethical.
What makes the first one less unethical? Two people involved, one of which can always say "Ok, enough, I'm tired of playing catcher. Your turn." And of course one can always quit, ending the foolishness. The latter scenario continues until he is outed by the community, sometimes even after.
Is it cheating in either case? No. HTC is getting paid for all the accounts. What makes BOTH unethical is that the reason we have points (scores) and rank is so that people have an indicator (however flawed) of how well they are doing in the game vs other players. People WANT that in a game. They WANT the "high score" or "#1 Rank", regardless of how much we make fun of "score potatos" and such, because it gives them a bit of pride in themselves. If people do stuff like this, it throws the whole system out of whack. It makes the scores and the ranks meaningless. Well, more meaningless. At least they had some purpose if we all stayed on the honor system. Since some refuse to play that way, it ruins it for everyone else. Basically they are setting themselves outside the community, and THAT is what we hold as important. Community. A sense that we all belong to the group, no matter how disfunctional we are in RL.
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Well, AH has been discovered by those gamer types. It's no more premium WW2 aircombat game for enthusiasts like it used to be. It's just another game, kids becoming the majority of the player's base, with all the usual 'gaming the game' stuff, and when score padders and such get awarded, tolerated, protected or whatever else in your favorite game just for the sake of few $$, you know it's time to move on.
Pitty it came that far, but was inevitable.
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Originally posted by hitech
The point of my post is, that ALL problems anyone has with a players behavior should be handled directly with HTC, and not publicly.
As for what the consiquences will be, that is us to decided as we see fit.
HiTech
Not much else to add to that. Thanks.
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Bighorn your evaluation is 100% oposit of reality.
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Well, AH has been discovered by those gamer types. It's no more premium WW2 aircombat game for enthusiasts like it used to be. It's just another game, kids becoming the majority of the player's base, with all the usual 'gaming the game' stuff, and when score padders and such get awarded, tolerated, protected or whatever else in your favorite game just for the sake of few $$, you know it's time to move on.
Pitty it came that far, but was inevitable.
:aok
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Originally posted by hitech
Bighorn your evaluation is 100% oposit of reality.
It wasn't evaluation, Hitech, just an observation, and as I've said, time to move on.
wish you all the best, to your crew and all the players.
Bighorn out
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HiTech: What are we to police?
If we're to police things, I'd like a badge and a whistle.;)
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Again for the millionth time, i was NOT trying to up my score. If i had, then why wouldnt i have done what everyone else does. Kill stats in bombers, and what not. All i was trying to do was fly and fight a friend. This friend was simply TRYING to teach me how to kill a T-34 tank in an IL2. I have had severe problems with killing this tank. I guess it was a POOR choice to do it in the MA and not in the TA or DA. But not let us forget, TA you are unable to "KILL" anything, and in the DA, the killshooter is on. I have appologized for everything that has happened, and ill say it once again, i will take ANY punishment from HiTech and gang. It was an honost mistake! And i hope EVERYONE can get past this and stop beating a dad horse!
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Originally posted by EagleEyes
Again for the millionth time, i was NOT trying to up my score. If i had, then why wouldnt i have done what everyone else does. Kill stats in bombers, and what not. All i was trying to do was fly and fight a friend. This friend was simply TRYING to teach me how to kill a T-34 tank in an IL2. I have had severe problems with killing this tank. I guess it was a POOR choice to do it in the MA and not in the TA or DA. But not let us forget, TA you are unable to "KILL" anything, and in the DA, the killshooter is on. I have appologized for everything that has happened, and ill say it once again, i will take ANY punishment from HiTech and gang. It was an honost mistake! And i hope EVERYONE can get past this and stop beating a dad horse!
Sorry, I don't have a 'dad' horse. But if you were trying to say a DEAD horse, well then, I might add you stop punting the topic up to the forefront and people will stop kciking it back to you.
Secondly, You should have thought about the consequences before you started the act that is causing you to defend yourself so vehemently.
Finally, the argument that the DA has kill shooter.... your pal is on the other country anyway or you couldn't have killed him in his jeep so many times. AND you can choose whatever country you like as often as you like in the other arenas. So, there is no argument that you couldn't practice there.
In conclusion, I will give you my nickles worth of free advice. If you are trying to dig out but realize the hole is only getting deeper, STOP DIGGING!
Yours Truly,
NCLawMan
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Some good arguments here but they get lost in the bad grammar. :aok
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Originally posted by hitech
The point of my post is, that ALL problems anyone has with a players behavior should be handled directly with HTC, and not publicly.
As for what the consiquences will be, that is us to decided as we see fit.
HiTech
Sorry, but the problem is that the problem is not player's behavior but the game itself. If we can complain only about some player's behavior it means that we have to find that players. In other words, it means that it is our responcibility to find those guys who are padding their score, and after that anonymously complain to HTC. But why do I have to do that? It is not what I want to find in this game. And I don't care so much about anybody's score.
But what I definitly know that it is one of features of this game - score and rank - doesn't work how it was intended. Personally I can live with that. But being myself software developer and working in Internet game industry I wouldn't be happy if one of the declared feature of my game wouldn't work.
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Originally posted by EagleEyes
TA you are unable to "KILL" anything, and in the DA, the killshooter is on.
H2H
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Originally posted by hitech
Bighorn your evaluation is 100% oposit of reality.
HT's right. It's the long term players vulching each other, and the kiddies are the ones the rest of us are vulching. Checks and balances. ;)
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Sorry, but the problem is that the problem is not player's behavior but the game itself. If we can complain only about some player's behavior it means that we have to find that players. In other words, it means that it is our responcibility to find those guys who are padding their score, and after that anonymously complain to HTC. But why do I have to do that? It is not what I want to find in this game. And I don't care so much about anybody's score.
seems to me that jerking off is time more well spent than this.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
seems to me that jerking off is time more well spent than this.
Why not learn right handed like all fighter pilots do! :noid
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
It's just another game, kids becoming the majority of the player's base, .
BACK THE TRUCK UP!!!
2Big, you are what... Maybe 17 on the outside these days? And you're blaming it on the 'kids'. You were 15ish when you left ~FATE~ two years ago... (And if I'm confusing you with someone else, I seriously apologize... But I'm about 80% sure here)
Come on.
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The point is that complaint's will not be handled publicly on the bbs, but thru private means.
That's what (I think) HT is referring too.
any thing else is a moot point
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If you are wondering that your actions are crossing the line, then they probably are. You don't need rules for basic human decency and fairness. A person knows well when they are expoiting the game.
Also, placing blame on the younger player base is bigotous. It seems to be all too fashionable here to blame every bad act in AH on a kid. The older players are far more dastardly and deceptive.
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Originally posted by Kurt
BACK THE TRUCK UP!!!
2Big, you are what... Maybe 17 on the outside these days? And you're blaming it on the 'kids'. You were 15ish when you left ~FATE~ two years ago... (And if I'm confusing you with someone else, I seriously apologize... But I'm about 80% sure here)
Come on.
Hope he accepts your apology. He's probably old than you:aok
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Originally posted by Vad
Sorry, but the problem is that the problem is not player's behavior but the game itself. If we can complain only about some player's behavior it means that we have to find that players. In other words, it means that it is our responcibility to find those guys who are padding their score, and after that anonymously complain to HTC. But why do I have to do that? It is not what I want to find in this game. And I don't care so much about anybody's score.
But what I definitly know that it is one of features of this game - score and rank - doesn't work how it was intended. Personally I can live with that. But being myself software developer and working in Internet game industry I wouldn't be happy if one of the declared feature of my game wouldn't work.
Regarding your comment of "responsibility" to report something, I don't think you need to view this any differently than any other MMG out there today. All titles encourage players to play at least some sort of policing role. The reasons for that are quite simple...
1) It IS good for the game if players actually care about the integrity of the title they play, and
2) It would be fiscally prohibative for HTC, or any vendor for that matter, to police the game without player input. Players are there watching, interacting, engaging with other players 24/7 across the enytire spectrum of the game space. Leveraging that where ever you can is a good thing and keeps your monthy fee down
So in summary HTC is just doing what is good for the game and player base. Taking input from a range of sources, both internal and external, and analysing that info privately and drawing the conclusion/action they see fit. Its a good model to follow.
Regarding your second paragraph I'm not sure I follow you there. How do you mean it isn't working as intended?
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
The older players are far more dastardly and deceptive.
Never liked that bunch.
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Originally posted by Kurt
BACK THE TRUCK UP!!!
2Big, you are what... Maybe 17 on the outside these days? And you're blaming it on the 'kids'. You were 15ish when you left ~FATE~ two years ago... (And if I'm confusing you with someone else, I seriously apologize... But I'm about 80% sure here)
Come on.
I don't thonk it's the same person :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Kurt
BACK THE TRUCK UP!!!
2Big, you are what... Maybe 17 on the outside these days? And you're blaming it on the 'kids'. You were 15ish when you left ~FATE~ two years ago... (And if I'm confusing you with someone else, I seriously apologize... But I'm about 80% sure here)
Come on.
Need a shovel?
*dig*
*dig*
*dig*
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
If you are wondering that your actions are crossing the line, then they probably are. You don't need rules for basic human decency and fairness. A person knows well when they are expoiting the game.
Well said.
And yes, i think part of the problem might be the large influx of "teens" - BUT:
Its the responsibility of the community (the "vets") to be a good example of whats appropriate and what not.
Looking back about 70% of the locked threads and BS (pardon that expression) going on are longtime players... not the generally blames kids.
Its everyone elses fault this community is degrading, not mine.... why dont the programmers do something?
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Looking back about 70% of the locked threads and BS (pardon that expression) going on are longtime players... not the generally blamed kids.
So true Schatzi. I've 3 long-time people on my bulletin board ignore list. Same guys who detract more than they add. Makes the boards much more enjoyable.
hap
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jumpin all over 2 guys for fighting each other is just plain stupid, this is a combat flight sim and players do it all the time. I bet you guys are only riding him because he seems so worked up about it. They are two different players as far as I know (have seen both in the SEA during Close Escort).
Dont start throwin stats out at me either, I looked. It looks silly, but if it was in the MA, then any other player could have jumped into that fight too.
Now for all those who say they dont care about score? Then why are you posting...me I DO care about my score a little, not enough to avoid bad situations or to stay off a buffs six, but I care. :p
Score padders are an annoyance as far as I am concerned but not something that is ruining the game for me.
As far as what we have learned in this thread? Nothing that we shouldn't have already known. I learned that early in the morning I tend to ramble about things that really dont concern me........................... .......
:noid
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My thought...
1) If money was handed out to a winner at the end of the month and I was interested in that money perhaps score might mean something. Money is not handed out so both have no real meaning to me as a part of this game.
2) If you shoot a buddy on the end of a runway for an hour what did you accomplish. When you run up against someone who can fly both that guy and you know who the better pilot is. Score only has value to those who can back it up in the air and not on the score pad.
The game is a contest of individuals. Kinda like chess in its most basic sense. It is also a contest of teams, not unlike football. You plan your strategy based on what you are up against.
I fail to understand why it's such a big deal unless those folks can't beat a scoho in the air. If that's the case maybe some training is in order.
Ren
The Damned.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Hope he accepts your apology. He's probably old than you:aok
Hmm... Okay, My Bad! Sorry about that 2bighorn.
Super, I'm 36 if you're taking notes... So there are plenty of people older than me.
Of course now I'm wondering who the heck it was that I'm thinking about. :confused:
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Just so there isnt any confussion on my age, i am 19 but will be turning 20 in November. I am a 4 1/2 year vet of this game, spend 2 1/2 years playing in the h2h arenas and now a year and a half in the MA. But i do understand what you guys are saying about the age thing. Now that it is summer, we will have many younger kids playing this game, which i will admit does become an annoyance.
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EagleEyes,
You may not wanna believe this is but playing for 4.5 years and you're now at 19 means you began as a young kid. Like you the youngun's gotta start somewhere. The fact they are enjoying the game means they may evolve into one of many of the folks that make the game so much fun! :)
Ren
The Damned.
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In case some of you havnt noticed:
THIS IS A GAME
We are not real pilots, we did not fight the war.
If you are this obsessed with points and cheating in a game, how do you deal with real life?
Let it go.
Maybe some of you should be playing with Barbis instead of war planes
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Originally posted by stockli
Maybe some of you should be playing with Barbis instead of war planes
Do you know how old Barbi is now? Sheesh!:)
Ren
The Damned
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
Also, placing blame on the younger player base is bigotous. It seems to be all too fashionable here to blame every bad act in AH on a kid. The older players are far more dastardly and deceptive.
It was my mistake to mention score padders in the same sentence. So let me try again.
It is the fact that there are more young players subscribing than ever before. They see and play game differently and for different reasons than older guys do. They also tend to pick bad habits faster, if given chance, than older players, especially if there's enough older players being bad example, which again many are, simply because they get away with it.
At the same time, HTC is treating gameplay ethics as form of cheating, under the carpet.
Ethics is not something to be put into obscurity, instead, HTC should be very vocal about it.
On the end, it does not matter what players do, but HTC. Players already do what they can, they fly, they do skins, scenarios, they teach, make maps, they fight, have fun (or not), they vulch in DA and some pad the score.
Originally posted by Kurt
2Big, you are what... Maybe 17 on the outside these days? And you're blaming it on the 'kids'. You were 15ish when you left ~FATE~ two years ago... (And if I'm confusing you with someone else, I seriously apologize... But I'm about 80% sure here)
Kurt, I remember three kids from Fate, Paul, TheBest and Bally. Don't know which one you've mistaken me with.
I wasn't 15ish when I left. I was 15 years older than you and unless something has changed, I still am.
Originally posted by Kurt
Come on.
After I left Fate I've spent a year in TA, working with new players, lots of them were kids. If I say that they play game 'differently' you can assume I know what I'm talking about.
After TA, I did the same in DA. For the most part, majority of the kids were OK. It was bad only when 'vets' did misbehave and kids started to do the same.
Lots of players 'quietly' complained about via emails to HTC. Later on here on BBS. And what happened? Those who complained where accused of whining by those who rarely if ever used DA. Some where banned from BBS because they were vocal about it. The killshooter was turned on. According to HTC we were NOT using DA as intended, therefore we were punished instead of perps, who are still doing the same, although not as much, simply because there's not much going in DA and there's not enough players to spoil their fun.
Now, there are the score padders. Similar situation. We shouldn't talk about it. Just pretend all is OK, until it grows out of hand, then we'll get smacked by HTC with solution nobody will like it.
Those who talk about it are labeled as 'whiners' in good ol' AH BBS tradition. Strangely enough, labeled by those who whine the most about everything else.
Is ranking so important? No. If it goes away, there will be something else to abuse, there will be those who will abuse it, there will be those who complain and talk about.
According to some, talking about is bad for the game. Maybe. Or is just that new players won't find about it (and how's dealt with it) upfront, but later down the road. The way how HTC deals with, it seems to me that abusers actually get encouraged, because they get away with it.
As for 'come on'... Maybe in next game...
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From history, you have learned not ;)
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Here's an idea, dont pay attention to score at all and the padders don't bother a bit.
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Originally posted by Shifty
HiTech: What are we to police?
If we're to police things, I'd like a badge and a whistle.;)
Bah!
You can keep the badge and whistle.
Just gimme the gun and ammo.
Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of ammo!
heh
*twitch twitch*
heheh,
*twitch*
heh heh heh
heh
*twitch*
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Bah!
You can keep the badge and whistle.
Just gimme the gun and ammo.
Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of ammo!
heh
*twitch twitch*
heheh,
*twitch*
heh heh heh
heh
*twitch*
So you don't need no stinking badges??:D
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
If you are wondering that your actions are crossing the line, then they probably are. You don't need rules for basic human decency and fairness. A person knows well when they are expoiting the game.
Also, placing blame on the younger player base is bigotous. It seems to be all too fashionable here to blame every bad act in AH on a kid. The older players are far more dastardly and deceptive.
I think all thats going on is Suppa's fault for making this game look so SWEEEET :noid
But really who cares about score I get to play once a month if that right now, all I do is go furball and have.....(wait heres a word most should try)...........FUN :eek: we all know how to score and whos a good stick, I know when Ive worked a fight hard and see a Vets name on the shoot down sheet what a good feeling you get. I dont need to see it on page 1 or page 40 for that. So if you like your name on page 1 fine by me but Ive killed them and they have killed me, so dosent mean squat to me. :aok
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Originally posted by Shifty
So you don't need no stinking badges??:D
To quote alices resturant
"I wanna kill"
I wanna kill
I wanna kill kill kill kill
*jumping up and down* KILL! KILL!KILL! KILL !KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL!
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The funny thing aside from this game many WW2 vets where kids.
Or very young people.
never underestimate "kids" there always very bright types between them.
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While you're correct, bug, that was real war; this is cartoon war lite. The quality of the decisions made drops considerably when no one gets hurt, an those "kids" also had some sort of formal training.
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Wow so much emotion over a game. I might as well add my thoughts LoL. firstly as a GAME who cares about rank and score. To be highly ranked means being proficient in all departments. In examining the high scorers the majority of them I have never fought and as I am always apparently on a one sided defence {those who know me know me know what i am talking about LoL }you would think I would come up against them at least now and again.The scoring system is unrealistic... look it takes time and skill to get bombers through to a heavily defended target ...hit it... then safely land...yet you get nothing in comparison to taking off in a horde and vulching some defenceless poor guy trying to take off. taking out a tiger is almost suicide unless you stay on the base as look what you have to land just to break even. there is no score when a field gun shoots down a 262 or kills a tiger ???? And whats with the proxy kills...I was running supplies to a base that had enemy gvs all over it...every time I landed some guy who never even saw me got a proxy kill do I lose points on my gv kill to death...??? does his improve ???? LoLI am not knocking the game just those that think that score matters. We have a great game that is never the same lets just enjoy it for what it is... a brilliantly concieved and operated sim with great tech support and back up....thanks guys
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Originally posted by jamesdeanoo7
Wow so much emotion over a game. I might as well add my thoughts LoL. firstly as a GAME who cares about rank and score. To be highly ranked means being proficient in all departments. In examining the high scorers the majority of them I have never fought and as I am always apparently on a one sided defence {those who know me know me know what i am talking about LoL }you would think I would come up against them at least now and again.The scoring system is unrealistic... look it takes time and skill to get bombers through to a heavily defended target ...hit it... then safely land...yet you get nothing in comparison to taking off in a horde and vulching some defenceless poor guy trying to take off. taking out a tiger is almost suicide unless you stay on the base as look what you have to land just to break even. there is no score when a field gun shoots down a 262 or kills a tiger ???? And whats with the proxy kills...I was running supplies to a base that had enemy gvs all over it...every time I landed some guy who never even saw me got a proxy kill do I lose points on my gv kill to death...??? does his improve ???? LoLI am not knocking the game just those that think that score matters. We have a great game that is never the same lets just enjoy it for what it is... a brilliantly concieved and operated sim with great tech support and back up....thanks guys
Shhhhhhhh. Your using too much common sense.;)
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LOl thanx smitty but everyone knows first grade was the hardest 5 years of my life.:lol
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Well obviously several members of the community DO care about score and rank and don't appreciate score padding. Yes it is a game and do we keep score in any other games? Do people take those scores seriously?
No amount of "I don't care about score so why should you?" posts are going to change this. Makes about as much sense as arguing who has the best favorite color (by the way it's red and anyone who likes blue must be belittled and ridiculed for their opinion).
Score padders, IMO, are like those people with a cart bulging full of groceries in the express line. My life ain't ruined but they do piss me off.
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Care all you want , nobody says you shouldn't. It's not the end of the world if a couple of tardlets blow themselves up to inflate their scores. Actually anybody doing that will get found out sooner or later , and suffer for it . Over concern with scores probably has a lot to do with people gaming the game.
I'm just now starting to fly in the MA after years of just flying in the AVA. The amount of talent and people flying in the MA is huge compared to where I have been flying. It tends to make me not worry about ranking. I don't have the free hours or the skill to make a run at the top 100. Maybe if I did score infalting would bother me more. I guess guys with double digit rankings would be easier to upset over this than a guy like me in the quadruple digits. Etheir way it shouldn't distract from a great sim, and we're lucky to even have something like this.:)
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firstly I dont think it says anywhere in my post that others shouldnt care about their scores in fact I was definate in stating that everyone pays and should play how they wish.my main point wa that THE SCORES MEAN NOTHING...HAVING A HIGHER RANK DOESNT MAKE YOU BETTER EITHER IN HERE OR REAL LIFE. Rank would mean more if the different groups had their own ladder but a guy who likes to just fly or use gvs finds easy ways to get the other groups higher some people openly admit that gaining bases or winning the war means nothing...others openly state that they hate strat killers, vulchers or spawn campers. The point is it shouldnt matter what others do enjoy the game and play it to suit yourself thats my way of looking at it. The map changes and whats mine today is yours tommorow . Anyone who has played this game long enough knows how to keep their rank up its just most dont care. personally permanently put me at the bottem it wont spoil my game.
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I guess I misunderstood this quote, "LoLI am not knocking the game just those that think that score matters."
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No you didnt misread that part of the post just disregarded the rest lol....how can score or rank matter with proxy kills vulching, strat killing on undefended factories and milk runs when every ones asleep etc....and all the other ways we all know that with time and numbers we can all inflate our rankings. thats no true measure of skill and locking all values of all types of vehicles etc,,, to get an agregate score just makes it more un realistic...I could stay at back bases ...only go on line when numbers are low...only go out in mission strength... cherry pick etc... but to me like I said it aint worth it. I have been on bases that were fully up defending against mission strength raids and couldnt get a pilot to up in case they were picked and it affected their rank lol... 1 guy landed and left me on my own because he thought he would get bombed and wanted to land his kills ...We all know the good pilots etc... they dont need to be any position on the board...just take a look at the ranking and think of the guys you constanly see landing kills...thats the true measure...the guy that will fly or drive miles to help or re supply you..sorry we differ but then again like I said we all pay and play the game the way we think it should be played but if this were real...who would you like to fight with ..someone worried about every move they make in case it affected their rank or a team player???
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Those are my sentiments entirely smitty. Hope to see you in the MA. I spend about half my time in the H2H rooms teaching new guys from any country in gvs and buffs. I get as much enjoyment at seeing them get good as I do shooting down some one in the MA.
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
If you are wondering that your actions are crossing the line, then they probably are. You don't need rules for basic human decency and fairness. A person knows well when they are expoiting the game.
Also, placing blame on the younger player base is bigotous. It seems to be all too fashionable here to blame every bad act in AH on a kid. The older players are far more dastardly and deceptive.
What's that old saying?? Old age and treachery beat youth and skill every time" ;)
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Originally posted by Shifty
HiTech: What are we to police?
If we're to police things, I'd like a badge and a whistle.;)
You ain't gettn' no steenkin badge so just forget it.
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and I guess you failed to comprehend my post either - perhaps I should have contradicted myself in it.
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No just like you I disregarded it lol
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Originally posted by jamesdeanoo7
Those are my sentiments entirely smitty. Hope to see you in the MA. I spend about half my time in the H2H rooms teaching new guys from any country in gvs and buffs. I get as much enjoyment at seeing them get good as I do shooting down some one in the MA.
Who the hell is smitty?:huh
;)
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Now for all those who say they dont care about score? Then why are you posting...me I DO care about my score a little, not enough to avoid bad situations or to stay off a buffs six, but I care.
That about sums it up for me...sort of. I care very little about score & only pop up the roster out of curiousity once or twice a month, mainly because I know it's not a good score already & there is no need to check it lol.
Could I care less about my score? Probably...Could I care more about my score? Absolutely....Will I try for a better score? Maybe, in all likelyhood someday I'll try to see just how good an overall score I can achieve.
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Brenjen you are a perfect example I dont need to look at your score I know you are great in gvs and we have fought many times, I look foreward to our next meeting
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Originally posted by jamesdeanoo7
Brenjen you are a perfect example I dont need to look at your score I know you are great in gvs and we have fought many times, I look foreward to our next meeting
Well thank you sir; I can't say as I recall ever seeing your name but I'm sure there is a reason;) lol Until we meet in the MA
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Lol my gameplay name is jdjnr and we have met many times in gvs though trangely enough not recently is yours in for an upgrade and service LoL
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Ahh jdjnr, hey buddy. My J/S is broken right now & I'm in the process of shopping for a replacement. Plus Before that the maps were not conducive to GV'ing; my J/S crapped out right when Fester map came into rotation too darn it.
It's strange but I run into the enemy players in cycles, I used to bump into DR7 constantly & now it's Ironic, but for a while it was Sheri.
I'm sure once I get a new stick & get my aim back after the 2.08 change you'll see me again.
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Roger that mate, I hope it all works out for you soon.yes its strange how it works in cycles like that but its probably that dr7, ironic, sheri and myself normally do alot of defending so when your country is on top we meet and when its the other country we meet their guys. look foreward to seeing you back in the ma real soon. Jim