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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Captain Virgil Hilts on June 13, 2006, 07:17:15 PM
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Remember Major Mark Beiger, the soldier who was photographed cradling a dying Iraqi child, who was mortally wounded in a bombing attack that specifically targeted innocent children who were being given candy and presents from soldiers?
A new magazine, "SHOCK" published by the French conglomerate that also publishes Car & Driver, along with many other periodicals, published that photo without bothering to get permission from the Major or the photographer Michael Yon. Basically, they STOLE the photo, and used it in a manner that neither the subject nor the photographer would have allowed. They are also threatening legal action against Michael Yon, who took the photo and owns the copyright.
Here's a link to the photographer's site: Michael Yon's site (http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/dishonor.htm)
Follow up on this if you believe that the publishing company stole the photo and had no right to use it, especially in a manner that neither the photographer/owner nore the subject would approve of or permit.
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It doesn't make sense, the thieves are threatening legal action against the photographer who owns the copyright?
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It may not make sense, but I don't think he has any reason to lie. If you will go to his site, you'll see where they backed out on their agreement to do the right thing as well. Check it out, the cause is worth standing up for, and the photographs on his site are good as well.
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News Release/ For Immediate Release
Contact: Irene Pinsonneault 508-636-9149
Photographer Shocks Hachette Filipaachi Medias--“No Deal”
[Westport Pt MA] There is no “deal” or “settlement” between Michael Yon and Hachette Filipacchi Medias (HFM) resolving the copyright infringement dispute that has dogged the launch of HFM’s gross-out magazine, SHOCK.
Yon, who took the iconic photograph of a soldier cradling an Iraqi child who’d been mortally wounded when a terrorist car bomb was driven deliberately into a crowd of children gathered around an Army patrol in Mosul last May, published a statement about the collapsed talks on his website, http://www.michaelyon-online.com on Friday:
“The manner in which this behemoth has conducted the negotiations raises questions about whether it ever intended to act honorably in the first place. It’s been a week of watching them bob and weave, spin the story to the media while obfuscating and stretching credulity in its dealings with me with claims such as it takes them two or more days to get an image taken off a website because “their IT department is in France.” As a result, I have ceased negotiations and am issuing a call to fellow writers, reporters, charter members of the blogosphere, and especially photographers who constantly suffer from unauthorized uses of their work, to help communicate our collective displeasure to HFM.”
When Hachette Filapacchi Medias, the French publishing conglomerate, announced the Memorial Day weekend launch of its gross-out magazine SHOCK, its Editor-in-Chief promised readers, “photographs they won’t see anywhere else.” But in what some industry observers are calling the “worst launch in modern times,” the magazine used one of the best known photographs taken in the Iraqi war for the cover. The publicity they got for this choice wasn’t exactly the welcome kind, because Michael Yon said no one from HFM had asked him for permission to use his photograph. Not that it would have done them any good to ask.
Yon, who became well-known for his blogging from Iraq, considers the famous photograph “the true portrait of our combat soldiers in Iraq” and the way it was used by HFM as “an insult, an offense and an outright lie.” As soon as he learned about the infringement, Yon instructed his attorney to demand that HFM pull the magazine from circulation. HFM responded with perfunctory finger pointing implicating Polaris Images, which in turn at first claimed they’d received permission to shop the image from the wife of the soldier depicted in it.
Bloggers familiar with Yon’s recent high profile successful battle with the US Army to defend his copyright of the image got wind of the dispute, and when several popular sites like BlackFive, Instapundit, Michelle Malkin, Captain’s Quarters, Little Green Footballs and others posted on it. Headlines such as, “When you steal from a MilBlogger ...you're going to get busted” stirred the blogosphere and the calls and emails ensued. That’s when HFM issued an insinuation about a defamation suit. An incensed Yon broke his lawyer-recommended silence and published a dispatch entitled “Dishonor” that exposed the tactic:
“That’s no misprint: they took my property, used it a vulgar way, further dishonored our military and our country by timing their inaugural launch to Memorial Day weekend, and then, when some patriotic bloggers dared to call them to complain about it, they threatened me. People who go into business deliberately seeking to offend and insult others should probably get used to complaints.”
Although both parties had apparently agreed in principle on a settlement that would have resolved the dispute, Yon’s latest posting, “Actions Speak Louder” details how HFM began violating the spirit and letter of the proposed settlement before he had even had a chance to sign any document. Furthermore, the attorneys had not finalized all of the terms of the settlement and were still in negotiation over critical points when a major sticking point arose for Yon in HFM’s attempt to spin the outcome to make it appear that he was promoting the magazine. “That’s like saying that because I didn’t walk out on a lousy concert, I gave it a standing ovation. SHOCK is a piece of trash in my opinion and anyone who buys it is paying a foreign company to insult our military.”
To Yon, it all boils down to the growing gulf between the ponderous dinosaurs of media mega-weights who are out of touch with the changing tastes of increasingly critical consumers who are flocking to alternative avenues on the Internet to get their news and information. “It would be hard to imagine a conglomerate more out of step with the American people than HFM,” Yon says, citing his experiences dealing with a company he claims “talks a good game but walks all over artists’ rights and is disdainful of consumers.”
What else but a “disconnect of major proportions,” Yon asks, could explain the business decision to time the launch of a magazine whose cover story attempts to discredit American soldiers with the Memorial Day weekend holiday where those same soldiers are honored coast to coast?
Or HFM’s tone-deaf response to waves of email and phone call protests from the blogosphere, which amounted to a threat to sue Yon for “defamation?” Or the way they spun Yon’s terse and precise statement of the settlement to sound as if he was somehow now promoting a magazine he repeatedly describes as, “the only thing shocking is its lameness, and the only thing it proves is how low a French mega-media publishing conglomerate, Hachette Filipacchi, will stoop in order to squeeze two bucks out of its sneering mockery of others ......”
Since the story first broke, apparently almost 1,000 blogs have linked postings on the topic encouraging their visitors to “communicate” with decision makers at points along the publication’s life span. On Friday, Yon provided a new “Make Yourself Heard” page on his popular website with contact information for distributors, publishers and the editors of all the HFM magazines marketed in the US. It also contains contact information for JVC, the largest advertiser in SHOCK magazine. Postings on Yon’s site include bloggers and readers in Germany, Finland, Canada, Australia, the UK and Italy, along with 5 of the top 100 most heavily trafficked blogs on the internet. Interviews on major pro-military and conservative radio programs are planned all weekend and throughout the coming weeks, with podcasts distributed worldwide.
Already, Yon’s international fan base is engaged, translating materials into a variety of languages to enable people in the 41 countries that HFM sells magazines to voice their solidarity. “HFM clearly does not ‘get’ that this is not about money,” Yon says. “It’s about integrity and respecting artists and consumers, it’s about aligning actions with principles, and it’s about treating people with respect, no matter how ‘big’ your company is. HFM doesn’t seem to realize that no one needs to read Shock, or Elle, or Car and Driver, or any one of the magazines HFM sells.” Yon’s call to his colleagues is intended to communicate to HFM how displeased people are about the use of the image, especially to promote an anti-military agenda, and to voice it in a loud enough manner so it will be impossible to miss.
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For those who wish to step up for Michael Yon:
Make yourself heard (http://michaelyon-online.com/shockmag.php)
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Pardon me for saying so, but your activism regarding this particular case of copyright infringement strikes me as kind of bizarre. It happens all the time.
Do you have a personal connection to Michael Yon or something? Is there something extra-special about this case that should have me and whoever else all worked up yet, mystifyingly, doesn't?
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Originally posted by Nash
Is there something extra-special about this case that should have me and whoever else all worked up yet, mystifyingly, doesn't?
BIG surprise there.
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Originally posted by Nash
Pardon me for saying so, but your activism regarding this particular case of copyright infringement strikes me as kind of bizarre. It happens all the time.
Do you have a personal connection to Michael Yon or something? Is there something extra-special about this case that should have me and whoever else all worked up yet, mystifyingly, doesn't?
Have you READ any of this thread? Clicked on the links? If you have, and don't get it, no one can help you.
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Yeah I did.... I read the whole article....
It's not good.... but... I guess I'm missing the whole gravity of the situation.
The money quote: "It’s about integrity and respecting artists....."
.... and I just never had ya pegged as giving a damn before.
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THIS (http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/little-girl.htm)
If having some cheap trashy sensationalist French magazine steal this photograph and use it for their own disgusting freak show while at the same time dishonoring the soldier and the dying child he held doesn't bother you, then never mind, you'll never get it.
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Mon dieu!
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Originally posted by Nash
Mon dieu!
Ironic considering the source.
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Originally posted by Nash
Yeah I did.... I read the whole article....
It's not good.... but... I guess I'm missing the whole gravity of the situation.
The money quote: "It’s about integrity and respecting artists....."
.... and I just never had ya pegged as giving a damn before.
I have a great number of friends and family who have done multiple tours. Do I give a damn? I hold all of them in the highest regard. Do I care about that child, and every child there? Damned right I do. If you think the majority of us don't give a damn then you are very mistaken. And the soldiers there sure as Hell give a damn, despite what the media and a large number of arrogant fools would have you believe. And I'm pretty damned sick of the scum who continue to do exactly what this bunch of *******s have done with this photograph. It's about time people stopped looking the other way and tolerating it as if it doesn't mean anything. Because it DOES mean something, and it IS important.
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Cry me a river all you want....
... but all those guys over there are slugging it out based on a whole ton 'o BS, leading to a war of choice that didn't need to happen, and once undertaken, was handled miserably.
Do I "give a damn" about that? You bet yer sweet arse. It's tragic. I don't know how many times and in how many ways I've said so... despite the ridicule from the likes of you each and every time.
.... And it takes a piktur and some copyright infringement to finally get your back up? That's ridiculously fatuous. Boo fricken hoo.
Man...
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Originally posted by Nash
Cry me a river all you want....
... but all those guys over there are slugging it out based on a whole ton 'o BS, leading to a war of choice that didn't need to happen, and once undertaken, was handled miserably.
Do I "give a damn" about that? You bet yer sweet arse. It's tragic. I don't know how many times and in how many ways I've said so... despite the ridicule from the likes of you each and every time.
.... And it takes a piktur and some copyright infringement to finally get your back up? That's ridiculously fatuous. Boo fricken hoo.
Man...
Like I said, I didn't expect YOU to "get it".
EVERY war is a war of "choice", some one chooses to create the cause. In this case it was Saddam Hussien. Just because you lack the brains and the balls to figure out when and where to fight doesn't mean the rest of the world has the same deficiencies.
It isn't JUST the picture, moron, it's about what the picture means. You will never grasp what it means, you're not capable of understanding it, and you never will be. The only one crying is you. Unlike you, others are willing to stand up.
Here's your clue as to what it's about: It's about the media in general and their corrupting of the vast majority of the news coming from Iraq, and their willingness to stoop to ANY level to further their corruption.[/I] Clear enough? They cheat, lie, steal, and attempt to intimidate. Get it yet?
The most ridiculous thing around here is your arrogance and stupidity.
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Awww..... are you calling me names now?
Jeepers, I feel just terrible about all of this.
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Nash, what you don't get it that a FRENCH company is the bad bad bad man here... THAT's what makes the difference!
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Nash, what you don't get it that a FRENCH company is the bad bad bad man here... THAT's what makes the difference!
No, it doesn't. Not at all. But then, if you don't mind, it doesn't matter.
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You can always find people who will parrot "I care about the troops, I support the troops" but you find out if they really mean it when something like this happens.
It seems they DON'T care when the truth about the troops, and how much they (the troops) care, what their mission means to them, and how good a job they are doing, when their image is subverted to further "the cause" of being anti war.
Anyone who really cared about the troops would be angered by the fact that Major Mark Beiger's image was stolen from its rightful owner, and used in a manner neither Major Beiger nor the owner of that particular image would ever agree to, for "shock" and effect. It doesn't matter who stole it.
Everyone knows war is Hell, it's a dirty nasty business, and the wrong people die all too often. But it was wrong to steal that image and misuse it to further that point. Just as it is wrong to ignore the truth, and to bias the "news" about those soldiers because you "hate the war" (or because you hate Bush), doing untold harm to those men and women just to further "the cause". And no one who REALLY cares about those men and women who are there doing a tough and dangerous job would intentionally dishonor them in that manner. Lying, cheating, and stealing is wrong, and so is doing it in order to dishonor and discredit those soldiers.
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Quelle horreur !
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Like some UK tabloïds, there are in France publishers which make profit with 'news'papers i wouldn't dare to wipe my butt with. (This is not a jab aimed at France as those disgusting pieces of writing sell pretty well in Belgium too).
This is the lowest of the low form of press. How could you expect anything else from them?
This being said, I don't give a damn if the picture of a dying child is misused. After all is said and done, copyright violation is nothing compared to a loss of life.
Michael Yon has said his point, he should let it go now. Disputing the copyright of such a tragic picture could only give the impression that he's after the money.
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Originally posted by deSelys
Like some UK tabloïds, there are in France publishers which make profit with 'news'papers i wouldn't dare to wipe my butt with. (This is not a jab aimed at France as those disgusting pieces of writing sell pretty well in Belgium too).
This is the lowest of the low form of press. How could you expect anything else from them?
This being said, I don't give a damn if the picture of a dying child is misused. After all is said and done, copyright violation is nothing compared to a loss of life.
Michael Yon has said his point, he should let it go now. Disputing the copyright of such a tragic picture could only give the impression that he's after the money.
In a way, I sort of agree. However, he's not asking for money. He asked for them to do something to make it right, they agreed, then they renegged. At some point, people like that MUST be held responsible for their actions. And he has plenty more pictures, in order to protect himself and the pictures, he has to stand up. If you don't vigorously protect your copyrights and trademarks, at least here in the States anyway, you lose the right to.
Crap sells well everywhere. P.T. Barnum once said "no one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public" but he could have said it about any one else just as well. I'm not mad because their French. I couldn't care less who they are. It isn't about who they are, it is about what they've done.