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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: nuchpatrick on June 14, 2006, 03:05:52 PM
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I've checked snopes... on this save the internet petition
http://action.freepress.net/campaign/savethenet
From what I gather decisions being made now will shape the future of the Internet for a generation. Before long, all media TV, phone and the Web will come to your home via the same broadband connection. The dispute over Net Neutrality is about who'll control access to new and emerging technologies. On the Internet, consumers are in ultimate control deciding between content, applications and services available anywhere, no matter who owns the network. There's no middleman. But without Net Neutrality, the Internet will look more like cable TV. Network owners will decide which channels, content and applications are available; consumers will have to choose from their menu. We may not hear much about this in the mainstream as many of these News, TV, and media companies own in on this debate. I think they are keeping quite by limiting the information available to us; a classic example of exactly why they should never get full control of the Internet.
My concern is that is if this is true this really suckiths!! :noid
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http://www.askaninja.com's Ninja has the best explanation of Net Neutrality I've found so far...
here's the transcript:
In case you don't know what's goin' on... Lets just pick somewhere everybody likes to be... Watching the girl at Hot Dog on a Stick make lemonade. I think we can all agree that's pretty compelling. But then like, the big internet service provider puts up a wall, and says you can't watch the girl at Hot Dog on a Stick make lemonade unless she pays us. Meanwhile, they're trying to make you watch Robin William's cousin make bacon juice, and he's got like a mesh shirt on, there's lots of hair. He's like just as hairy as Robin Williams, but not even funny as Robin Williams is not. He's just squeezing bacon into a cup, and they're like, hey that's the same as watching the Hot Dog on a Stick girl make lemonade. You're like, NO IT IS NOT! HELLO! I wanna see the girl in the tri-colored funny hat making a funny motion that produces something I like. That's what the Internet is all about. People in funny hats making things that people like. When the Internet was invented that was the whole goal! Then the big Internet Service Providers are like, "we can make a fake version of that." And you're like, ummm... can't I just do that, and they're like... well... only if those people give us some fried cheese! And everybody's like... it's already there.. can't I just see it? And they're like, not while we have this big wall that's built out of the shredded first ammendment. And they hold it together with glu-reed. That's a glue made from greed. But it's not Lou Reed. That guys pretty cool.
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It's true and it's going to happen.
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If this happens I will unplug from the net altogether.
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Do you know anything about Quality of Service in IP networking? Class based queueing or prioritizing packets?
The wiki on it is also good:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality
A backbone provider that started twisting the queue dials could make something like AH go nuts. HT makes certain assumptions in his netcode about the time it takes for a packet to travel on average, and if carriers start rate shaping it could reek havoc on the most time sensitive protocols for gaming.
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Notice that they did not put an HR number in that patition page?
Hmmmmmm, Innnntersting...........
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CNET has some good stuff also.
http://news.com.com/Net+neutrality+showdown/2009-1028_3-6055133.html?tag=nl
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I got a message(in my ebay messages not in e-mail) from the CEO of ebay asking to sign a similar petition for the same issue.
I know we are supposed to be a free-enterprize "capitalist" society, but this sort of crap is getting out of hand.
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Here's a great article from an Aussie that cuts to the chase.
It explains it is not even a conservative vs liberal issue, so all the wingnut neocons around here can chill with the "If Al Gore were here, he'd re-invent the internet and fix it" predictable shots.
http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/4639/106/
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From what I've read, it's the Democrats that are pushing for net neutrality. So it might not be an liberal/conservative issue, but is certainly looks like a Democrat/Republican issue.
http://news.com.com/Democrats+pledge+fight+over+Net+neutrality/2100-1028_3-6065062.html?tag=st.bp.story
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A tally of where they stand on the Net Neutrality bill that's making its way through Senate:
Support
Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
Sen. Christopher Dodd (D-CT)
Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND)
Sen. Russell Feingold (D-WI)
Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-HI)
Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT)
Sen. Joesph Lieberman (D-CT)
Sen. John Kerry (D-MA)
Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL)
Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME)
Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV)
Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR)
Oppose
Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS)
Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK)
Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC)
Sen. John Ensign (R-NV)
Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK)
"FINGER IN THE WIND"
No position
Sen. George Allen (R-VA)
Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN)
Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC)
Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
Sen. Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)
Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN)
Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX)
Sen. Mike Crapo (R-ID)
Sen. Mark Dayton (D-MN)
Sen. Mike DeWine (R-OH)
Sen. Richard Durbin (D-IL)
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson (R-TX)
Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA)
Sen. Herb Kohl (D-WI)
Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI)
Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN)
Sen. Mel Martinez (R-FL)
Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ)
Sen.Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA)
Sen. Bill Nelson (D-FL)
Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI)
Sen. Ken Salazar (D-CO)
Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)
Sen. Paul Sarbanes (D-MD)
Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY)
Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)
Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA)
Sen. David Vitter (R-LA)
Sen. George Voinovich (R-OH)
Sen. John Warner (R-VA)
No Information
Sen. Daniel Akaka (D-HI)
Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Sen. Wayne Allard (R-CO)
Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT)
Sen. Robert Bennett (R-UT)
Sen. Joseph Biden (D-DE)
Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-NM)
Sen. Christopher Bond (R-MO)
Sen. Jim Bunning (R-KY)
Sen. Conrad Burns (R-MT)
Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV)
Sen. Thomas Carper (D-DE)
Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Sen. Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME)
Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND)
Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID)
Sen. Elizabeth Dole (R-NC)
Sen. Pete Domenici (R-NM)
Sen. Michael Enzi (R-WY)
Sen. William Frist (R-TN)
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC
Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH)
Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE)
Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA)
Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK)
Sen. Johnny Isaakson (R-GA)
Sen. James Jefford (I-VT)
Sen. Tim Johnson (D-SD)
Sen. John Kyl (R-AZ)
Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-AR)
Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS)
Sen.John McCain (R-AZ)
Sen.Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
Sen.Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Sen.Benjamin Nelson (D-NE)
Sen.Mark Pryor (D-AR)
Sen.Pat Roberts (R-KS)
Sen.John D. Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL)
Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL
Sen. Gordon Smith (R-OR)
Sen. John Sununu (R-NH)
Sen. James Talent (R-MO)
Sen. Craig Thomas (R-WY)
Sen. John Thune (R-SD)
If this passes, it's only going to be because the Republicans, who pwns the Senate, want it. Another lovely idea brought to you by the Party of Freedom.
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I've done some reading...the peopel against claim the don't want the govt to interfer with the internet...yeah right
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http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7B628F4552%2DD5F4%2D43FD%2D91DE%2D7FF28CCA9C49%7D
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This all started with VOIP.
Little VOIP companies started selling phone service.
DSL customers realized they didn't need a regular phone line since they could use VOIP to save money by using their broadband connection.
Cablemodem customers realized they could dump the phone company and do VOIP.
Cable and phone companies realized they could cash in on this VOIP thing too, and started throttling other companies' VOIP traffic. For example Comcast made Vonage ($20/mo) practically unusable over comcast cable, while offering their own VOIP service ($40/mo).
Then they got to thinking about how much money they could make by charging Google extra to deliver all those funny movies and ads.
And then there's pron! Another industry ripe for extortion! Pay us extra, or your customers get to watch Debbie Does Dialup.
Foxnews.com? They pay us extra, so you can watch that. Independant or foreign news sites? They don't have any money. Ask them to mail you a newsletter.
All your advertising be long to us!
(http://www.toad.com/gnu/im-still-free-what-about-you.jpg) (http://papersplease.org/)
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Originally posted by Nash
If this passes, it's only going to be because the Republicans, who pwns the Senate, want it. Another lovely idea brought to you by the Party of Freedom.
The bill [S. 2817] that I have co-sponsored with Sens. Snowe (R) and Dorgan (D) is necessary to ensure that consumers and content companies have the ability to use the Internet without interference or gate-keeping by the network operators, Inouye (D) said in a prepared statement.
Which party is it to which you refer?
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Bad wording on my part, Holden.
"If it passes" referred to the Communications Opportunity, Promotion and Enhancement Act, put forth by the Republicans - which allows the telcos to be your personal gatekeepers as to what you get access to over the internet.
The "Net Neutrality" bill is the one that counters this, and is supported by Democrats.
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So COPE (HR 5252) passed the house with 321-101, 11 not voting
321 = 215 R + 106 D
101 = 8 R + 92 D
11 = 8 R + 3 D
The bill carried both parties... seems like it was one of the more bipartisan bills recently.
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5252 came out of the commerce commitee (big surprise) and caught folks off guard.
When people figured it out, 5417 was introduced.
And now? It's the focus.
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But.... uhm...
Aside from trying to be so damned contrary to me, where do you stand?
Do you like the Republican proposal which allows the telcos to have complete control over the free content that you currently access over the internet; blocking what it wants, and able to ask for higher subscription rates for certain other content?
Or do you like the Democrats' bill, which basically tells the telcos to go pound sand?
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I am not intending to be so damned contrarian, it just seems that way. :)
Those damned Demos voting on stuff that they do not understand... we should get some smarter Demos in there to balance out the evil Repubs.
I am for complete freedom of the net. Although I did favor the .xxx domain so that it would be easy for parents to sift out non child friendly sites... but that is moot now.
I favor anything that would enhance the competition of service providers. If some company A decides to offer discounted prices for business broadband, I would hope that some other hungry company B would undercut the premium price A charges for home service.
If A says it'll cost extra for some services and B says it's included in their price, I'll choose B.
Cut-throat competition always favors the consumer.
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Good, then you think the Republican initiative to turn over complete control of our internet content to the telcos is BS.
.... and you think that the way the internet is now - ungoverned - is the way it should be.
Good on ya.
Do everyone a favour and write to your local omnibudsman (hehe) and tell him that.
Tell him: "I'm against the Rebublican initiative to suddenly make the telcos our internet gatekeepers, and I strongly support the Democrats in keeping the internet just the same damned free-for-all flow of information as it is now."
;)
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Cut-throat competition always favors the consumer.
Unfortunately for us, all too often we aren't the consumer of the internet. We're the product.
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Originally posted by Nash
Tell him: "I'm against the Rebublican initiative to suddenly make the telcos our internet gatekeepers, and I strongly support the Democrats in keeping the internet just the same damned free-for-all flow of information as it is now."
;)
That's the same demos that don't know what they vote for?;)
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Well, there aint gonna be much mistaking on this one.