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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AG Sachsenberg on May 16, 2001, 09:50:00 AM
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http://fyi.cnn.com/2001/fyi/teachers.ednews/05/15/recess.ap/index.html (http://fyi.cnn.com/2001/fyi/teachers.ednews/05/15/recess.ap/index.html)
Jesus people are raising their kids to become Pus*ies. Praying in school is out, Dodge ball is out, caring and sharing time has increased, homosexual tendencies are on the rise, teen violence on the rise, teen pregnancies on the rise. Who the Fuc& voted for this crap? When will it stop?
Work hard, No play, Vote Gore.
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This is called socialism. People (teachers and their bureaucracy) are doing job for you but thay are not responcible to you for the results.
They are more organised, so they have more political clout.
From the purely practical standpoint, if there are no recesses, teachers can finish their classes and go home earlier.
They also avoid most of the problems and accidents that happen during the recesses.
If the children are not able to concentrate and learn anything as a result, or get less healthy and fat, or have no time to socialise and make friends and develop social skills, it does not reflect on teacher's salary in any negative way.
miko
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Well, that "no recess" tendency seems very strange to me. Kid's "concentrated attention" periods are usually shorter then a class time. Here in Russia standard lesson is 45 min. (academic hour) long. Teachers are told to divide this time into shorter periods, with talks, games and other breaks, because 7-year old child can concentrate for about 10-15 minutes.
As for games, playgrounds and physical activity - very few Russian (or should I say Soviet?) schools allow pupils to leave a school building during breaks. Organized after-school activities are almost gone now, after Young Pioneer organisation was dismissed in early-90s. It was an extremely stupid commie party-like crap, I always hated all that pseudo-democratic stuff and 90% of useless work, but it kept children busy and somehow encouraged creative activities. What I liked about it was organised hiking, even when it was mixed with political "work", for example, when we went hiking we usually had some kind of a "research" task, like making a report on 1941 hostilities in the places where we hike.
After I finished school I went hiking with kids from my school maybe 3 times every year, to different places all over Russia: Urals, lake Baikal, Western Caucasus etc. Kids who went hiking with us looked much better then others: they were more self-assured, showed initiative, were smarter and never looked helpless in unusual situations. Hiking taught them to rely only on themselves and not to be afraid of any work. And they developed phisicaly: on a third long-range hike a kid who is 12-13 years old could carry a 25kg backpack for 30km every day without whining.
We were lucky, we had a good hiking team led by 3-5 teachers and graduates like me and my friends. So, if you have enthusiasts from teachers or parents - you don't have to worry about your kids becoming "fat and boring".
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With respect,
Pavel Pavlov,
Commissar 25th IAP WB VVS
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Miko, I agree with you completely. But why were such things impossible in Soviet schools? I hate state control, but there are some important fields where it is nessesary. Not every family has an opportunity to send their kid to a paid school, and even if it has - paid school doesn't guaranty the quality.
I wonder why in Russia teachers trade-unions don't practice full-scale strikes, even when teachers don't get paid for half-year or so...
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With respect,
Pavel Pavlov,
Commissar 25th IAP WB VVS
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Oh, my god - homosexual tendencies are on the rise!!!
The end of the world is nigh!
Perhaps this perceived increase (how the hell you decided that, I don't know), might have something to do with the fact people don't need to feel that they should 'hide' their sexuality from a disapproving world. I think less repression is a good thing - if people want to be gay, why the hell should I care (or interfere)?
Miko2d, of course, to you, socialists are the root of all evil. And I guess your argument with teachers, is that they neither recognise nor teach your theories of racial supremacy - which you yourself have purported.
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Some of us do prefer the old fashion way of having sex with someone of the opposite sex (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Call me whatever you want to, but I disagree with the lifestyle and I also feel that one who has a hard time choosing between the correct way of procreation should not teach my children the morals and values of life.
I am sure they are great people, I do not associate with them nor will I ever. Am I homophobic? Not in the least bit, I do not condone others who practice S&M or satanism as well. Should we let these people as well teach moral values to our children? Look at the decay of society as a whole. I am not pointing fingers, but I find it interesting the sudden surge of homosexuals in our world, and the so called acceptance we give it. I knew females who tried it just because well they wanted to. It is glorified to us in movies "Watch Scinemax" in TV sitcoms, news publicity and of course the music industry.
They can have their lifestyle if they want, but I do not want it shared to my children as they grow up. Doesn't it strike you as wrong? Odd? Disgusting? Not knowing if the guy you just shook hands with and sat down to have lunch with was just packing some guys back door with a salami. LOL actually that is kind of funny. Probably will be in a movie soon and everyone will get a kick out of it.
Anyway
Work hard, no play, vote Gore
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If being "homophobic" is being concerned that our family values and Christian beliefs are in jepardy, then color me homophobic.
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Rip, being homophobic would be
homophobia :
an irrational fear of homosexuality or homosexuals. If you feel homosexuals or homosexuality is of greater danger to your kid thank drugs, pills, poor school attendance, obesity, lack of ability to interact with others or driving a 1 ton vehicle at high speeds at age 16, you're probably homophobic (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
I am not sure where socialism comes in with regards to no recesses. If anything, the added demands (i.e less recesses) is a response to a market need (i.e better prepared kids).
"Wood said schools eliminate recess to be able to report more "time on task," or minutes spent on academics"
Whether this is a sound approach to learning can surely be debated, but is not the point. Therefore, I'll let it lie. (This is also called the von Santa Avoid All Strawman Arguments method)
Again, I'd like to point out that Republicans pride themselves with responsibility and accountability.
Schools and teachers ARE NOT supposed to raise your kids. They're NOT supposed to make sure that they eat properly and get enough exercise. That's the job of the parent. in fact, one could say that schools have certain expectations to the behaviour of kids - and that's something that the parents gotta make happen. So stop complaining about the system, raise yer kid yerself and if you don't like the school, change to a private one?
Can't afford it? Work harder. It's a leftist socialist approach to say that some are more privileged than others and therefore can do this; anyone with the will can send their kids to private schools; all it takes is hard work and giving up some luxuries in life.
You Republicans are crying wolf here, with no wolf even close. It's always something leftist, communist, Al Gore this or some other thing. ALWAYS. You're losing lots of credibility. I KNOW at least some of you are very bright people, so perhaps my expectations are too high - if you do think that your political beliefs are superior to other beliefs, it is a good idea to illustrate why instead of throwing mud. Toad has a nice way of doing it and discussions with him tend to be quite enjoyable as he makes use of his experience and knowledge ad constructs a coherent argument.
What we have here is an educational system where outside sources have put extra demands on it, and the system tries to meet them. they're doing so by employing certain methods, which are uninteresting in turns of ascertaining the political ideology (if any) that has lead to the added demand
Oh btw AG; Christian are taught to turn the other cheek. I'd say Christianity has made us all p*ssies - just read the Icelandic sagaes to see what my ancestors were like before Christianity made us into meek little sheep (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). Then again, they did use violence with extreme prejudice to convert the heathens. Hm, this one is tough to call (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
What I'm saying is track the cause and effect. Do not arbitrarily lay on the effect to a cause without, at least to some extent, making a case for it.
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Originally posted by StSanta:
Rip, being homophobic would be
homophobia :
an irrational fear of homosexuality or homosexuals. If you feel homosexuals or homosexuality is of greater danger to your kid thank drugs, pills, poor school attendance, obesity, lack of ability to interact with others or driving a 1 ton vehicle at high speeds at age 16, you're probably homophobic (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
I am not sure where socialism comes in with regards to no recesses. If anything, the added demands (i.e less recesses) is a response to a market need (i.e better prepared kids).
"Wood said schools eliminate recess to be able to report more "time on task," or minutes spent on academics"
Whether this is a sound approach to learning can surely be debated, but is not the point. Therefore, I'll let it lie. (This is also called the von Santa Avoid All Strawman Arguments method)
Again, I'd like to point out that Republicans pride themselves with responsibility and accountability.
Schools and teachers ARE NOT supposed to raise your kids. They're NOT supposed to make sure that they eat properly and get enough exercise. That's the job of the parent. in fact, one could say that schools have certain expectations to the behaviour of kids - and that's something that the parents gotta make happen. So stop complaining about the system, raise yer kid yerself and if you don't like the school, change to a private one?
Can't afford it? Work harder. It's a leftist socialist approach to say that some are more privileged than others and therefore can do this; anyone with the will can send their kids to private schools; all it takes is hard work and giving up some luxuries in life.
You Republicans are crying wolf here, with no wolf even close. It's always something leftist, communist, Al Gore this or some other thing. ALWAYS. You're losing lots of credibility. I KNOW at least some of you are very bright people, so perhaps my expectations are too high - if you do think that your political beliefs are superior to other beliefs, it is a good idea to illustrate why instead of throwing mud. Toad has a nice way of doing it and discussions with him tend to be quite enjoyable as he makes use of his experience and knowledge ad constructs a coherent argument.
What we have here is an educational system where outside sources have put extra demands on it, and the system tries to meet them. they're doing so by employing certain methods, which are uninteresting in turns of ascertaining the political ideology (if any) that has lead to the added demand
Oh btw AG; Christian are taught to turn the other cheek. I'd say Christianity has made us all p*ssies - just read the Icelandic sagaes to see what my ancestors were like before Christianity made us into meek little sheep (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). Then again, they did use violence with extreme prejudice to convert the heathens. Hm, this one is tough to call (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
What I'm saying is track the cause and effect. Do not arbitrarily lay on the effect to a cause without, at least to some extent, making a case for it.
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Sheesh Santa Hey can you reword this for me? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) LOL
What I'm saying is track the cause and effect. Do not arbitrarily lay on the effect to a cause without, at least to some extent, making a case for it.
And if you take me serious on anything I say in here something is wrong with you. Although I am quite serious on this gay issue. And of course rasing your children. Do to 2 parents working you are seeing a slip in the family household values. We are seeing families with less children and higher divorce rates. Greed seems to be the common thread. I would rather live comfortable and happy, then overworked and rich and die at a young age.
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Santa, if its described as this:
An irrational fear of homosexuality or homosexuals trying to force your beliefs upon their accountability, their lifestyle, and forcing schools thru political arbitration to teach young boys and girls that being a homo is "okay"...
...then again, color me homophobic.
You ever been to a live "Gay Pride" Parade? I've witnessed one first hand, and its pathetic to say the least. I work with, I accept their lifestyles, I sympathize with them, but for GAWDS SAKE LEAVE MY KIDS ALONE!(i.e. keep it in the closet where it belongs, most of us could give a rats bellybutton what you do behind closed doors...like sheep? Go for it, your sick in my mind, but don't tell my kids that pulling wool is some sort of civic right!)
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[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 05-16-2001).]
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tasteless joke be warned.
what's the 1 thing gays and chistians have in common?
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both send a lot of time on their kness...
Asatru my friends and get off your knees (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Ignorance begets misunderstanding which begets mistrust which begets hate. And hate corrupts everything it touches.
I empathise with what you are saying Rip - as parents you should raise your kids in whatever way you see fit.
But when I eventually have kids, I'll raise them to have an open mind, to accept people for who they are, not what they do in the bedroom. I believe that sexuality can't be taught and it can't be repressed without seriously damaging the individual concerned. Of the gays I've known (not many, admittedly) they've all been decent people - and I'll sup a pint with them any day of the week. Would I like to watch them having sex with other men? Frankly, no. It doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. But why should I object to them doing it?
And frankly, AG/Sturm, I don't think about what someone happens to like doing in private, when I shake someone's hand. It never crosses my mind. What a freaky concept.
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Rip, do you see homosexuality as a greater threat to your kids than the other things I mentioned?
Why keep it in the closet? It's no big deal. On gay paradaes you have the freaks of course, but so be it.
I think it's amusing that it should be repressed and held in a closet and not be ok - straight people do some pretty perverted things too, yet we consider them to be quite ok. Even in parenting. And I mean truly sick toejame, happening at your friendly neighbors house (or in my case, my not-so-friendly neighbors).
Your sexuality does not have to have much to do with how you conduct yourself - nor does it speak volumes about your moral character. To determine someone's moral character based solely on their sexuality (given two consenting adults) is just plain wrong IMHO.
There's a difference between thinking that it's a gross unappealing act and judging someone's moral character by his or her sexual preference.
What they're essentially arguing ripsnort, is that they shouldn't be forced to keep it in the closet, that it's just a matter of sexual preference and that it ain't dangerous. Problems facing homosexuals are related to the STIGMA that comes with it - i.e a very similar attitude towards it as you have displayed. Of course you're entitled to holding this view; I am not sure I understand why you do, hence my questions (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
They ain't going away. Been with us for as long as man has been around and in some cultures such as the ancient Greek one it wasn't a bad thing (in this case because of the rather low value of the woman of the time).
I understand that a parents primary responsibility in life is to safeguard its kids. Now, if you could show me why they're dangerous to your kids, it'd help. STD's I can agree on, but promiscuous people expose themselves to this at a large degree than the rest of the population, gay or straight.
Moral character? Haven't noticed any difference. If anything, the time spent dealing with the stigma has led to a live and let live attitude.
We all know the flamboyant girly studmuffingots. It'd be interesting to see how many know the less obvious ones (which in my belief would constitute the majority).
So, am wondering (see me as an alien visiting earth for the first time) why it's dangerous or not ok?
I find the act itself disgusting, but to each his or her own. Some games heterosexuals play (poo games and insect squashing, to mention two), I find equally disturbing. To be honest I don't notice much related to homosexuality in my daily life - it's an exception and doesn't have much impact on anything. I can't see what the big deal is all about.
Well, one thing; the worst thing about homosexuality is it ruins downloading of pr0n. There you got a big batch of files, and somehow a homo pic spam post sneaks in. Can ruin yer whole day (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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I hear German food has that effect on you.
watch what you eat you might get lead poisoning (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Hehe
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As a Father I prefer having an homosexual as neigbour than a gun owner ...(1)
I know some homosexual and this guys are less likely to make trouble than the average john Doe their mottois often "live happy live hidden".
(1) btw I wont support a pedophile gun owner ...
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Geez, if Sturm fears that homosexual tendencies are on the rise, I certainly hope he never reads this (http://www.theonion.com/onion3326/homosexualrecruit.html) article. It might shock him!
-- Todd/DMF
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Guys, read my post again, I don't think that they should be repressed. Yes, my children will learn about them one day. No, they are not a threat, until they go to poiticians and say "We MUST go to the schools and tell them that we are GAY"...then, ONLY THEN, are they a threat IMO.
Let me put it to you like this. If I wanted to go to your schools where your children are attending, and FORCE them to accept my life sytle (Guns, hunting, Cowboy boots, drive pick-ups, enjoy watching rodeos) do you think that your Gov't should allow that? Well, thats whats happening in America, someone elses lifestyle is being forced upon our children in various forms.
I don't expect anyone to explain the "Birds and the Bees" to my children except for me or my wife. I also don't expect any alternate life styles to be explained to my kids from any other source than from ME or my wife. Is it asking too much to let me explain to them the sexual differences when the time comes?
If you want to be gay, fine. If you want to tell someone about it, tell an adult, don't think for a moment that its YOUR responsibility to tell the kids how YOU should be accepted. That's up to the adults, not the Gays!
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How can any true Christian not be threatened by homosexuals?
I always thought that the Christians wanted everyone to belive the way they did and if you didn't then you were a threat to their way of life and treated like an outcast.
I am not a Christian and I don't know if the above is true. This is just the impression I get from the people around me.
When I was younger I used to say "Who cares if they are gay, As long as they keep it to themselves.". Well guess what? They don't and now I care.
I would not want a gay person anywhere near my kids..ever! I think it's a mental illness that needs to be cured ASAP.
I damn sure wouldn't want a gay person teaching my kids! Why would I want someone who I find morally offensive teach my kids about morality?
We've had a gay person teaching in our schools before and it ended with him molesting grade school kids.
Are all gays going to molest kids? No.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying:
Geez, if Sturm fears that homosexual tendencies are on the rise, I certainly hope he never reads this (http://www.theonion.com/onion3326/homosexualrecruit.html) article. It might shock him!
-- Todd/DMF
I think that is sick, to teach a 5th grade class this kind of a subject.Homosexual agenda and lifestyle(Did anyone see the picture she standing next to!!).Why not stick em with a cattle prod too if they look or talk to the opposite sex. Where the hell is this country going.
I'm all for the teaching of Safe Sex,but in 5th grade no. This should wait till 7th and 8th grade. To teach a child a course like that in 5th grade or in any grade is just plain wrong IMO.
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Foxtro I think that article might have been a joke. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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BTW Santa I'm considering using your two sentences about pr0n in my sig. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by funked:
Foxtro I think that article might have been a joke. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Thanks Funked!!!
I hope to God it was!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
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Teaching sex-ed in 5th grade isn't even early enough. If you wait until 7th or 8th grade that is far too late, you need to get your kids educated BEFORE their reproductive systems kick into gear, not after.
As to what you actually teach, open for debate of course. But if, as a parent, the school is trying to teach what you should have already taught your kids years before, then that is simply irresponsible parenting.
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Gargoyle, I understand were your comming from, but I still think 5th grade is to young to teach a group of children that subject.The maturity is just not there.7th and 8th grade I think is more suitable. It will prepare them for the High School and College years were it applies mostly to.
I do plan on teaching my children about sex education with my values and beliefs hoping that it will guide them the rite way, and as a base for teaching there own children years to come as I was taught by my parents. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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If every time you shake hands or eat lunch with someone, you imagine them having gay sex, you might be gay.
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Methinks NHFoxtro has never read The Onion before. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-- Todd/DMF
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I used to believe we were livig in year 2001, but in some matters some people seem living in 1900.
So sad.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying:
Methinks NHFoxtro has never read The Onion before. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-- Todd/DMF
First time for me, so to speak.Got a huge pain in my chest that didn't go away till after Funked told me it was a joke. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)hehehe good one
PS. I still can't get this hook out of my mouth. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by R4M:
I used to believe we were livig in year 2001, but in some matters some people seem living in 1900.
So sad.
{sarcasm on}
Yes, amazing, they didn't have AIDS in 1900, much better times, eh?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
{sarcasm on}
Yes, amazing, they didn't have AIDS in 1900, much better times, eh?
{Sarcasm off}
blame Canada!!! Blame Canada!!!!
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LOL Ram! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Funked - you are spot on. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
We've had a gay person teaching in our schools before and it ended with him molesting grade school kids.
So gays molest kids now? You're going to be telling me they killed Jesus or are responsible for the 'New World Order'. Basically you're saying homosexuals are MORE likely to commit acts of indecency with kids, than a heterosexual?
Where are your statistics to back this up? Or does it amount to a big steaming pile of roadkill?
I think the latter is probably true, given that other gem in your post:
I think it's a mental illness that needs to be cured ASAP.
Please show us how you would cure homosexuality! Have you experienced this 'medicine' first hand?
The hysterical picture you and Ripsnort are painting shows a gay teacher showing his pupils the different positions they use during gay sex! Or showing them the different clubs around town that are frequented by gays! Ridiculous! What is wrong with an 11 y/o being told that some people have different lifestyles?
For instance, if you're are so against your kids being taught about the different 'life-styles' out there, I assume you have a similar dislike for how kids are taught about different religions? Afterall, following other religions is 'banned' by the Bible - it acknowleges their existence, but forbids them as 'Wrong'.
As an 11 y/o, I'd known about the facts of life for about 4 years before my school went through it. I knew what homosexuality was (in a vague sense anyway). Yet MIRACULOUSLY I didn't become gay - I was somehow able to put things in perspective. Why can't you trust kids to do the same? My parents went through it all with me while it was being discussed at school, and all the way through my teens we had 'personal development' sessions discussing everything from sex, abortion and euthanasia to war, death and religion.
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My problem is that it interferes with traditional family values, such as the latest school back in NY that wants to abolish Mothers day! For Cripes sake! Their "lifestyle" is not what I care about with my kids, its the political correction BS that gets to me.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
My problem is that it interferes with traditional family values, such as the latest school back in NY that wants to abolish Mothers day!
So now Mother's Day represents traditional family values? The person most responsible for seeing Mother's Day enacted as an official holiday actually wanted to eliminate it by the end of her life.
http://www.chron.com/content/interactive/special/holidays/97/mom/history.html (http://www.chron.com/content/interactive/special/holidays/97/mom/history.html)
-- Todd/DMF
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Rip - we should have noticed soon enough that not only gay people get and spread AIDS - that myth should have been gone for good... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Good sexual education helps to prevent teenage pregnancies as well as the spread of sexual transmitted deseases.
And how are homosexual people threatening your kids more than heterosexual people? They don't hump each other at the kindergarden or stuff like that - they do live normal lifes like everybody else. I got a son myself and I will try to raise him open-minded without prejudice. History told us too many times what happens when one group of people represses another. Intolerance towards a certain "race", a certain believe or religion, a certain colour, a certain preference of sexuality has led to the cruelest atrocities one can imagine - haven't we still not learned from that?
For the traditional values: so you want all the women to stick behind the oven just because they have different reproductional organs? That's not the way I gonna do it. My GF and me share job/education and caring after our son. That means we both have to take concession to our career. But everyone who wants children has to do decide that.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying:
So now Mother's Day represents traditional family values? The person most responsible for seeing Mother's Day enacted as an official holiday actually wanted to eliminate it by the end of her life.
-- Todd/DMF
Todd, Traditional family values apply to everything.
That woman was just mad because she started the holiday and didn't expect it to go the route it went.In her eye's it wasn't clean and pure any more,it was just another day for people to make money.
In my family, Mother's Day is very special day. I have to agree with Rip on this. I think that was wrong for that school to do that. I live in NY also and I wasn't the only one outraged by that.
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Originally posted by NHFoxtro:
That woman was just mad because she started the holiday and didn't expect it to go the route it went.In her eye's it wasn't clean and pure any more,it was just another day for people to make money.
The point of that was to show that the creator herself no longer saw the holiday as representing the very family values that drove its creation in the first place. I think she herself would have argued that the elimination of Mother's Day shouldn't be seen as afront to family values, but rather it should be seen as their salvation.
Besides, in my book... every day is Mother's Day. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-- Todd/DMF
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I see and understand the point your putting across (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Homosexuality was, in the US, considered a mental disease until 1973.
Then there was some research done. Having the opinion that it's a mental disease is like claiming that people who like say getting a blow job are mentally sick.
Regarding sexual education; seems to be working here. The US has a huge teenage mother problem and I don't see it going away by not teaching kids about it. It could be said that it's the responsibility of parents, but it's the society around that pays the price and such elementary knowledge should be taught in school, IMHO.
It's just biology 101 - that's all it is. not some unknown big unnerving scary entity - just simple biology.
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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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I am missing something...?
How did we go from no-recess to a gay debate?
eskimo
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Hey Dowding first off whether you believe it or not the guy DID molest the kids and I for one don't think he should still be alive.
Second Read the last line of my post again. I never said ALL gays were going to molest kids.
Third I use mental illness to describe them because that is what one of their own said. In the article from Fox's Hannity & Colmes who interviewed one of the Activist in SF that was fighting for the City to pay for sex changes. I would link to it but it is gone now.
On your comment about religion, well I don't think it should be taught in school unless they can cover all of them.
As far as statistics go. Go find your own damn statistics. I never said anything that would require statistics.
Next time try sticking to the truth and don't change what I say.
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Mighty1, for Christ's sake, you wrote that homosexuality was a mental illness! Read your own post.
You also said you didn't want gays to teach your kids, and then cited an example whereby a gay had molested a child as a reason why. That is idiotic. There are plenty of examples of heterosexuals who attack children.
And lets not forget how adept the Catholic Church is at hiding and protecting serial child rapists - where was god when that happened to those kids? Perpetrated by people who had apparently been selected by god himsef!
And BTW, just because you happen to be gay doesn't mean you want to have a sex change.
Your ignorance is something that really shouldn't be passed onto to the next generation.
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Dowding
Read my whole post!!
Dowding wrote:
Mighty1, for Christ's sake, you wrote that homosexuality was a mental illness! Read your own post.
Yes I wrote that but explained why later.
Dowding wrote:
You also said you didn't want gays to teach your kids, and then cited an example whereby a gay had molested a child as a reason why. That is idiotic. There are plenty of examples of heterosexuals who attack children.
I never said gays were the only ones that molested kids. This is just one reason not the only reason. And if you don't think child molesting is a good enough reason then YOU are the idiot.
Dowding wrote:
And BTW, just because you happen to be gay doesn't mean you want to have a sex change.
Where did I say this?
Dowding wrote:
And lets not forget how adept the Catholic Church is at hiding and protecting serial child rapists - where was god when that happened to those kids? Perpetrated by people who had apparently been selected by god himself!
This I don't know enough about to argue. Still it was nothing I mentioned.
Dowding wrote:
Your ignorance is something that really shouldn't be passed onto to the next generation.
At least I can read a post without adding comments that the poster didn't write.
As for you passing YOUR ignorance to the next generation we shouldn't have to worry about it. Gays have a hard time reproducing.
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Toned it down a bit.
[This message has been edited by Mighty1 (edited 05-18-2001).]
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NHFoxtro: "I understand were your comming from, but I still think 5th grade is to young to teach a group of children that subject.The maturity is just not there."
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I agree also. Unfortunately children mature sexually years before they mature socially. A conundrum, but one that we shouldn't just ignore. In the same way that we should teach kids about brushing even before they get their adult teeth in, we should be teaching them about what will be happening to their bodies sexually and what it means.
Trust me, you don't want your daughter learning about sex in the back seat of a car or behind the bleachers at recess. (horny teenage guy): "Trust me, I'll pull out in time. Just take a shower afterward, you won't get pregnant". This later turns into (pregnant daughter) "Ummm, Dad...I think I have a problem..."
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I never said gays were the only ones that molested kids. This is just one reason not the only reason. And if you don't think child molesting is a good enough reason then YOU are the idiot.
Going by this logic, surely you don't want heterosexuals teaching your kids? Because there are heterosexual child molesters - isn't that a reason to stop heterosexuals teaching kids?
There lies the idiocy of your argument, it's as plain as day.
As for the sex change thing; you said homosexuality is a mental illness, then tried to support it by citing an example of an activist campaigning for state sponsored sex change operations, as if they are inextricably linked. Hence my statement about not all gays wanting a sex change.
At least I can read a post without adding comments that the poster didn't write.
It's called inference and implication, with a little extension of argument.
As for you passing YOUR ignorance to the next generation we shouldn't have to worry about it. Gays have a hard time reproducing.
lol Pathetic. Is that really the best you could do? Call me a homosexual? School-yard level (and I'm being generous there). What are you going to do next - say I'm no good at football and that my mother's fat?
So I must be homosexual if I'm not a homophobe?
I won't add any more - it might upset that little black and white reactionary world you inhabit.
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Careful guys, there have been a lot of people losing BBS privileges lately.
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Originally posted by Gargoyle:
NHFoxtro: "I understand were your comming from, but I still think 5th grade is to young to teach a group of children that subject.The maturity is just not there."
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I agree also. Unfortunately children mature sexually years before they mature socially. A conundrum, but one that we shouldn't just ignore. In the same way that we should teach kids about brushing even before they get their adult teeth in, we should be teaching them about what will be happening to their bodies sexually and what it means.
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Well, you might want to wait till they are more mature, the problem though is they learn lots of stuff from friends, TV, the internet and then more from friends. If you want to prepare them in time and don't want them to walk around with all kinds of half-truths on the subject in their minds you just have to tell them in like 5th grade....
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Originally posted by AG Sachsenberg:
Some of us do prefer the old fashion way of having sex with someone of the opposite sex (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Call me whatever you want to, but I disagree with the lifestyle and I also feel that one who has a hard time choosing between the correct way of procreation should not teach my children the morals and values of life.
I am sure they are great people, I do not associate with them nor will I ever. Am I homophobic? Not in the least bit, I do not condone others who practice S&M or satanism as well. Should we let these people as well teach moral values to our children? Look at the decay of society as a whole. I am not pointing fingers, but I find it interesting the sudden surge of homosexuals in our world, and the so called acceptance we give it. I knew females who tried it just because well they wanted to. It is glorified to us in movies "Watch Scinemax" in TV sitcoms, news publicity and of course the music industry.
They can have their lifestyle if they want, but I do not want it shared to my children as they grow up. Doesn't it strike you as wrong? Odd? Disgusting? Not knowing if the guy you just shook hands with and sat down to have lunch with was just packing some guys back door with a salami. LOL actually that is kind of funny. Probably will be in a movie soon and everyone will get a kick out of it.
Anyway
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Lol. That is a CLASSIC example of homophobia. When I decide to sit down and teach someone the "morals and values of life," I can tell you right now that sexuality will and would not come into the discussion at all. Besides, where the hell do you get the idea that if someone who happens to be gay teaches or talks to your kids, he's gonna make them gay too? Gay people have been taught "the morals and values of life" by straight parents and people around them their entire lives, but guess what? They're still gay! The situation doesn't change when it runs the opposite direction. So, I would clssify you further not as a homophobe, but a paranoid homophobe.
Get a grip, people.
Oh... as to the salami/backdoor comment...
How is it any different from wondering if ANYONE you have met or are shaking hands with has engaged in ANY kind of sexual activity at all? Or different from wondering if they haven't washed their hands after using the toilet?
Deteriorating moral values, bah... you're just getting worried because more and more people are beginning to realize that despite so many seem to say and think, the bible and other Christian establishments haven't cornered the market on "moral values."
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"E's bound to be guilty, or 'e wouldn't be 'ere!
Starboard gun! FIRE!
Shootings to good for 'im, kick the louse out!
Port gun! FIRE!"
- Old chant used to time saluting of guns on ships
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
My problem is that it interferes with traditional family values, such as the latest school back in NY that wants to abolish Mothers day! For Cripes sake! Their "lifestyle" is not what I care about with my kids, its the political correction BS that gets to me.
For the benefit of poor, morally corrupt lil' ol' me, could you please define "family values." I'm interested for comparison reasons...
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"E's bound to be guilty, or 'e wouldn't be 'ere!
Starboard gun! FIRE!
Shootings to good for 'im, kick the louse out!
Port gun! FIRE!"
- Old chant used to time saluting of guns on ships
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I find the act itself disgusting, but to each his or her own.
Santa, you really need to meet these 2 girls from the BAy Area I fortunate enough to play "passout" with. (thats a drinking board game, lotsa fun with the right people)
I could not find anything disgusting about what they ended up doing, whoohoo!
You need a checkup from the neckup boy!