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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AG Sachsenberg on May 16, 2001, 12:05:00 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/05/16/femalecadets/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/05/16/femalecadets/index.html)
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[This message has been edited by AG Sachsenberg (edited 05-16-2001).]
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please explain what "dikes" have to do with this article?
...or are you one of those guys that assumes any woman that doesn't want to date you is a lesbian?
AKDejaVu
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I can't believe you posted that and I can't believe I read it and I can't believe that you won't be banned. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Hmmm... I fail to see what lesbianism has to do with this article.
It details the achievement of a female cadet - sounds like she did very well.
Can you explain to me how she has to be a 'dike'?
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"...or are you one of those guys that assumes any woman that doesn't want to date you is a lesbian?"
Maybe it's every woman that can kick his bellybutton is a lesbian?
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Originally posted by funked:
I can't believe you posted that and I can't believe I read it and I can't believe that you won't be banned. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Because I said dikes? Good thing I didn't say gay. Some of you must not know about the tradition surrounding these schools. To be honest I was outraged when I found out VMI had to admit women into this institution. Ban me lol, scary thought IMO. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Do some research on the school called mary baldwin and its cadet corp, then come back to this discussion with a different view.
I do not mind that woman are cadets, but when you break tradition just to make a point it is ridiculous. I dated a cadet that graduated from mary baldwin, and we had heated arguments on this subject. I feel it is an outrage so be it.
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When a fellow is a little insecure about his own orientation. He tends to project that into the world around him.
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Well it looks like VMI is capable of turning human females into non-thinking, non-feeling robots too. Congrats!
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<quote>What is a protective dike?? A large women shouting:"don't go there!"?</quote>
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Originally posted by AG Sachsenberg:
...To be honest I was outraged when I found out VMI had to admit women into this institution...
...I do not mind that woman are cadets, but when you break tradition just to make a point it is ridiculous...
That is because you are ignorant of US laws.
While any private person or institution can choose who to admit to his/her/it's property, VMI is partially funded by US government and according to US law it must comply with the rules applicable to public institutions.
Since gender discrimination is illegal in US, VMI was in the wrong all that time.
VMI could have preserved their tradition if they had chosen to forgo the government grants funded by taxpayers money (many taxpayers are female, for your information). There are planty of all-girl or all-boy schools in US. Just that none of them are public or publicly subcidised.
The rule is simple here - you can make your own policies if you pay for them.
As for you considering that any tough women must be a dyke, meaning a lesbian, I can only make one conclusion - you must have had very strange selection of women in your life (mother, sister(s), girlfriend(s), wife(ves)) - were they all subservent, uninspired, weak, barefoot, in kitchen, always pregnant type? Hard to believe...
miko
[This message has been edited by miko2d (edited 05-16-2001).]
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You still haven't answered why this particular woman should be a dike?
I suppose at one point black people were not allowed to enter VMI - because it was *tradition*. Or perhaps you agree with keeping it a white-only institution? After all, you share Miko2d's belief that black people are intellectually inferior to the 'Great White Race'.
[This message has been edited by Dowding (edited 05-16-2001).]
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Originally posted by Dowding:
You still haven't answered why this particular woman should be a dike?
I suppose at one point black people were not allowed to enter VMI - because it was *tradition*. Or perhaps you agree with keeping it a white-only institution? After all, you share Miko2d's belief that black people are intellectually inferior to the 'Great White Race'.
[This message has been edited by Dowding (edited 05-16-2001).]
For one thing you people really do take things way to serious. And if you read the article which it seems you didn't it was not based on one woman but quite a few actually. As far as saying dikes I could honestly care less if they were or weren't. Its a word, and Dowding why the hell do you keep bringing blacks up when they have nothing to do with the subject. Seems to me your the one who has a problem with them.
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Originally posted by Dowding:
You still haven't answered why this particular woman should be a dike?
After all, you share Miko2d's belief that black people are intellectually inferior to the 'Great White Race'.
You, sir are a liar! At least in my eyes intentionally misqioting someone is a lie.
While I happen to trust multiple studies that demonstrate blacks to have lower average IQ then white people, I would neve use the term "Great" as in 'Great White race'.
This word has an emotional meaning and assumes respect.
If a simple math demonstrates that white race has an advantage, why would I respect it for achieving more? I would no more call white race "great" then I would call black race "bad" or "evil" or any other derogatory term.
miko
[This message has been edited by miko2d (edited 05-16-2001).]
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As far as saying dikes I could honestly care less if they were or weren't.
But you clearly do! It was you who wrote that thread title - I ask again, why do you think those women are dikes?
Its a word
So is cupcake, gook etc. etc. etc. That is a weak and pathetic response.
why the hell do you keep bringing blacks up when they have nothing to do with the subject.
Do you read your own posts?! YOU brought up *tradition* and the importance of it. I was merely pointing out that if tradition was rigidly adhered to, blacks would not be admitted to your VMI, there'd be segregation on public transport ad nauseum.
Seems to me your the one who has a problem with them.
Hmm... not quite. Unlike yourself, I don't happen to subscribe to a theory of racial supremacy. I suggest it is yourself that has the 'problem', not me.
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By Dowding
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Its a word
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So is cupcake, gook etc. etc. etc. That is a weak and pathetic response.
Thank you for proving who the real racist is around here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Miko2d - I admit that you never used that phrase, but OTOH I never said you did; I think you are either too careful to avoid such obvious bigotry or you sincerely believe in 'science' behind your theories.
But that 'theory' of yours is ammunition for racists that DO believe in the 'Great White Race'.
I'll rephrase, taking your points into account:
You share Miko2d's belief that black people are intellectually inferior to the White race
Is that accurate?
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AG Sachsenberg - you, sir, are a fool.
Wilfrid
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Originally posted by Wilfrid:
AG Sachsenberg - you, sir, are a fool.
Wilfrid
Your right I have been a fool for paying 30$ a month on a game.
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I always hate these periods between the time someone says they are going to leave and the time they actually do.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Dowding:
Miko2d - I admit that you never used that phrase, but OTOH I never said you did; I think you are either too careful to avoid such obvious bigotry or you sincerely believe in 'science' behind your theories.
But that 'theory' of yours is ammunition for racists that DO believe in the 'Great White Race'.
I'll rephrase, taking your points into account:
You share Miko2d's belief that black people are intellectually inferior to the White race
Is that accurate?
Yes, thank you.
As a minor note, the theory is not mine and I never climed it as such - I am an engineer, not a sociologist or psychometrist.
I am not sure whose theory it is but I guess you may call it "Herrnstein and Murray theory" or "Bell Curve theory". While those people are not original creators of the idea, they are the ones that brought it to the attention of the general public with their book.
As an engineer, I believe numbers untill a flaw in calculations is exposed. If you care to consider it bigotry, it is your prerogative. Many times in history simple scientific theories were considered bigotry, plasphemy, immoralities and other bad things. Some of them eventually got disproved and sometimes replaced by even more outrageous theories but many of them is a common knowlege now.
As for that theory providing ammunition to racists, there are two points. First, theory is a theory. It does not care about rights or wrongs, good or evil. It's a knowlege and it has no moral loading. You may wish to withhold knowlege for some reason but presuming knowlege evil is illogical.
Second, and it was clearly stated in the same book, this theory provides ammo not to the racists but against them.
It clearly states that many social problems more prevalent among blacks are easily explained by the objective difference in IQ distributions rather then by some kind of inherent "evillness" or "sub-humanness". It clearly follows from the theory that every person of any race should be given equal consideration and judged by his personal score on his/her test - since statistics is irrelevant in individual cases and there is no other difference between individual people then those shown in their test scores.
Of course people dealing with large populations do have to consider averages and distributions.
You may probably want to place more cardiological hospitals in the areas with black populations because avarage black is about six times more likely to have hypertension.
You would probably justify building more genetic labs in Great Neck, NY, because considerable part of the population there is jewish and more likely to have carry certain genetic defects. While only women after 35 or those with special indications undergo amniosintesis, all jewish couples are supposed to do that. At the same time you would probably not want to waste money on placing police precincts there as densely as in some inner-city.
Also, trying to fix imaginary wrongs by discriminating against an individual with better score is still a discrimination. If a white person is regected in favor of a black one because an institution feels pressured by government policies or pressure groups actions, how is that better? We cannot right slavery that was performed 200 years ago, but we can stop ignoring individual discrimination right now. I will bet that once no individuals are discriminated against personally, there will be no racial discrimination as well.
What I am stating here I consider a law of nature. Laws of nature can be ignored for a while but cannot be violated.
When a new one is discovered or the old one is proven incorrect, many people feel threatened. So what? May be I am wrong and the truth will come out. I will be relieved in that case unless the new theory explaining why black/white scores discrepancy is even more unplesant to hear.
I agree with you that some knowlege may be dangerous in some people heads, especially if it is just a misquoted bit taken out of context.
That is why I am not posting my views on the white supremacy sites.
P.S. Women's intelligence allegedly has the same mean as men's but narrower distribution.
Would you care to speculate what concequences we would see in the society if that was true?
miko
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Originally posted by miko2d:
[BWhile I happen to trust multiple studies that demonstrate blacks to have lower average IQ then white people, I would neve use the term "Great" as in 'Great White race'.
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Are these the same "studies" from the 1940s with the same score?
Yeah, I'd imagine the average black american's IQ is a lot lower than a white persons in the '40s.. something about segregation and unequal education.................
If the 332nd Fighter Group did nothing to prove those "studies" wrong, then I'd have to say the whole thing stinks to high hell of cow mud pies.
But to each their own and believe what you want.
-SW