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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Kev367th on June 21, 2006, 01:37:16 AM
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Found this pic of a crashed bare metal VIII from July 31 1944.
(http://s96920072.onlinehome.us/Gal1/301-400/gal353_Spitfire_Wise/images/crash_of_G-TS.jpg)
The guy who did a model from it came up with a light blue/white spinner, so OK I'll go along with that.
Quesiotn is about the tail -
He did it all bare metal.
It looks to me like it was white (not uncommon for RAAF), esp given the demarcation line below the horiz stabs shadow.
Any thoughts?
Based on my idea of the white tail I came up with (just a preview)
Plain I know, but they are as rare as rocking horse poop.
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I'd go with the white tail as it was the common look at that time.
Another silver bird
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Amazing man, my mate loves to fly the Spitfire Mk VIII, he will go off his nut fore sure !
I like it too :D
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Looks to me that there also might be white inside the circles as well?
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I think you have to go with the white tail my friend...
Can't wait to give it a spin !
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I'd say it was likely the original tail had white on it. However, I think the demarcation you spotted is simply because the tail wheel doors are open and create an artificial demarcation.
By the wing root, where the metal is all washed out, you can see different shades and subtle tones -- none of these are visible on the tail, *suggesting* (not absolutely sure) that the tail was not the same as the wing root (that is, "not bare metal" -- probably white).
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IF I flew spits that would be my skin....but I hate spits.....looks really nice though
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Okey dokey, changes -
Full white tail and empennage
Adjusted layer opacities
Reversed blue/white on spinner
Few minor tweaks
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Can you make the BMF darker across the board? I can't tell the tail's white at all.
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I could do, the problem then is you lose the highlights on the BMF.
BIG problem is how the shinyness is done, being applied on the whole aircraft. If we had an alpha layer so we could define different areas to be shiny or matt the white tail would stand out a lot better.
As it stands the white tail is shiny also, so it kinda washes out a little.
I'll do a test a post it tomorrow, you'll see what I mean.
Or I might actually try white, I usually avoid using white (255,255,255) or black (0,0,0), instead I use colors just off those values.
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Hey Kev,
I love the metal effect you got here. It's really nice. Best metal I think I've seen yet!
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Well, Kev, for this skin specifically (because you have white and you have your BMF) I'd suggest one of two things:
Shift the BMF from what it is to a more "grey" shade. That keeps the highlights relative, and it should still look good. Looking at it you have very light highlights and the median color is fairly light as well. Metal, while reflective, could come in many shades, varieties, etc etc. I think you could pull off a darker metal and leave the tail as-is. Pure white doesn't work too well, so just bumping the tail up doesn't help it look better.
Or
Make a new layer. Area select all of the other layers that have bare metal parts on them. Then paint bucket the new layer with pure black. Then set the black to (guessing) 3%-5% opacity, and put this under the layer with the tail's white paint. Tweak up or down to differentiate the BMF from the white. Not so dark that you start losing detail on the metal, but dark enough to see a clear demarcation from white to BMF.
Just a couple thoughts (first thoughts off my head)
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OK -
Darkened metal slightly and used white (255,255,255) for the tail :
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Marked improvement!
I, personally, would say you could do what you did, just do it more, but then I have the luxury of not working on the skin and watching from the sidelines :D
P.S. what about the comment that the original picture looked like it had white inside the fuselage roundels?
P.P.S. unless.... you already have it? Hrm.. now I don't know lol
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Tks.
It is white inside the roundels.
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i like it :aok . can i have one?? please?? :D
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Kev, one last minor nit-pick, if I may? Look at the crashed photo's anti-glare. Note that it touches the corner of the flat "front" part of the glass (the armored glass). I don't know how bad the stretching/wrapping is but is it possible to match this on the skin? Aside from that I'd say it looks done.
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Was going to wait on the skinviewer be updated before fixing the anti-glare.
But what the hell, it's only a cache rebuild ;) .
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Oh, I forgot you were waiting on the skin viewer. (*sheepish grin here*)
Sorry -- I know it takes forever to rebuild. I did it a lot with the Ki84 and the B17 (still in progress)