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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Mr Big on June 21, 2006, 07:35:07 PM
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was listening to a Senator who was on Sean Hannity's radio show. I forget his name.
He was giving the unclassified info and said he was working to get other parts declassified, from a classified document that he has clearence and access too.
Basically he confirmed that the US has found at least 500 weapons partially or fully filled with mustard and VX nerve gas since 2003.
He said it was a fact that he could confirm. He also said the document reveals that we expect to find more and he alluded to intelligence that may give some answers as to what happened to a lot of thr WMDs before the US invaded.
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Id like to believe it. But two things come to my mind.
1. This senator is just trying to get his name out there and is doing it so he can campain that he brought the "WMD situation in Iraq to the public."
2. I'll believe it when theres proof.
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It is on O'Reily RIGHT NOW.
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Id like to believe it. But two things come to my mind.
1. This senator is just trying to get his name out there and is doing it so he can campain that he brought the "WMD situation in Iraq to the public."
2. I'll believe it when theres proof.
I'm usually a skeptic on things like this, I then heard it from a local radio show host, who said he got a text message regarding breaking news on wmd in Iraq....... 500 wmd found.
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Why wouldn't WMD's be found in Iraq? They were there in desert storm, what makes people think that Saddam wouldn't make more between then and now?
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Just saw it on the ticker.
If I read part of it right. It said something along the lines of them being WMDs but not the kind of WMD were looking for.
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Yup kinda a 'no brainer'... especially since george has a copy of the reciept his dad got from saddam when he sold them to him.
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"That's some nice WMD there... but do you have any with the 'nuclear' option?"
"Oh honey, stop being so picky."
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Where do ya even begin with a post like this?
Sean Hannity?
Or.... maybe ya start with the unnamed Senator.
Or maybe instead you tackle the fact that if this info was unclassified, then it's a complete mystery why only he seems to know about it. And maybe, when he gets finished with the Hannity interview, he can go to the White House and fill the folks there in on this shocking revelation - because they don't seem to think that there were indeed WMD in Iraq.
Or maybe you tackle the whole idea that mustard and nerve gas actually constitutes WMD at all; how it can create the infamous "mushroom cloud" on American soil within 45 minutes? After that, take a look at the bill of sale on that stuff. Did not the US used to sell that stuff to Iraq? What happened..... did Iraq not pay its bill? Was this some kind of massive repo operation? Is that what necessitated the invasion? To take it back?
Or finally, maybe you just kinda laugh at a statement such as this:
"He said it was a fact that he could confirm." Just left sitting there.... floating in mid-BBS.
Believe me... If it turns out that there was WMD in Iraq, Bush would be on the roof of his abode yelling it through a bullhorn. He wouldn't even have waited for the report to conclude before he bolted out of the oval and up the stairs.
But ah.... I guess some unnamed Senator said thars mustard gas in Iraq during an interview with Hannity... so WOOT! WMD in IRAQ!
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Nash, he was unnamed because I had heard it on the radio and couldn't remember it.
I have now researched it and found his name, along with a PDF file of the unclassified section of the intelligence report he was reading from.
And Sean Hannity? It's a good radio show. He broke the news.
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Originally posted by Mr Big
Nash, he was unnamed because I had heard it on the radio and couldn't remember it.
I have now researched it and found his name, along with a PDF file of the unclassified section of the intelligence report he was reading from.
And Sean Hannity? It's a good radio show. He broke the news.
Is it Col. Mustard?
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"He broke the news."
Oh my gosh.....
If I wake up tomorrow and this thing is anywhere in the paper... I'll name my next kid Mr. Big. :D
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Originally posted by Nash
"He broke the news."
Oh my gosh.....
If I wake up tomorrow and this thing is anywhere in the paper... I'll name my next kid Mr. Big. :D
You are underestimating this.
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The Senator is now on Sean Hannity's TV show. It's a fair bet that many millions of people are now watching it.
If it doesn't end up in your newspaper, that's not my problem.
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Originally posted by Nash
"He broke the news."
Oh my gosh.....
If I wake up tomorrow and this thing is anywhere in the paper... I'll name my next kid Mr. Big. :D
may I suggest... get yer tubes tied.
;)
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Originally posted by Nash
- because they don't seem to think that there were indeed WMD in Iraq.
Or maybe you tackle the whole idea that mustard and nerve gas actually constitutes WMD at all; how it can create the infamous "mushroom cloud" on American soil within 45 minutes? After that, take a look at the bill of sale on that stuff. Did not the US used to sell that stuff to Iraq? What happened..... did Iraq not pay its bill? Was this some kind of massive repo operation? Is that what necessitated the invasion? To take it back?
Believe me... If it turns out that there was WMD in Iraq,
so WOOT! WMD in IRAQ!
that is the response i expected from you, after 3 years of crying about no WMD, you now say "so what" and "you gave them to him anyway"(false).
why don't you crawl back into your igloo, we will wake you up when it's all over.
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Why would this have been classified? You'd think that they would want to point that out right away to justify it. Especially during Bush's re-election campaign
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Originally posted by Mr Big
You are underestimating this.
Ya think?
Maybe I am...
You found his name, along with a PDF file of the unclassified section of the intelligence report he was reading from.
Who and where is it?
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Originally posted by Mr Big
You are underestimating this.
I would normally agree with you on this subject. But I have to agree with Nash for once, I feared this day. But, the truth is that mustard gas or sarin is not the "smoking gun" that we were looking for. If this would be such a bigdeal you and I would hope for it would be headlines on all news stations. Not just on the ticker. Also, the fact it made news around 8:30 pm EST.
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
I would normally agree with you on this subject. But I have to agree with Nash for once, I feared this day.
It's not so bad, is it? You lived through it, right? Nothing that a few band-aids and some ointment can't fix, anyways. :D
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Originally posted by Nash
It's not so bad, is it? You lived through it, right? Nothing that a few band-aids and some ointment can't fix, anyways. :D
:lol
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Looks to me like it's an old report covering known to be unuseable stocks.. unsure of the relevance. Agree that it's not the anthrax or bilologicals we were told he was developing. Understoof the R&D trail on the nukes.. and we know how that panned out..
so, no biologicals, no weaponized anthrax.. just the old stuff we knew he had pre 1991.
...so, no smoking gun, and no real vindication for the whitehouse.
however, I do expect a lot of gnashing of teeth and podium thumping; plenty of PC language.. and of course the scare card: "imagine if the terrorists got them!!"
*sigh*
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Mrs plum - in the kitchen with the pie :)
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Hmmmm..... Mr. Big Nash. Funny name for a kid. But it could happen. Let's see what the morning brings.
This is already out there.
Weapons of Mass Destruction Exist in Iraq (http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/15543.html)
Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) and Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.) announced Wednesday the discovery of over 500 munitions or weapons of mass destruction. The WMD found were sarin gas and mustard gas contained in projectiles, according to Fox News Channel's Special Report.
Sen. Santorium, reading from a newly declassified intelligence, said, "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist." The statement was aired on The Mark Levin Show, as well as FNC.
:)
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lol..... Santorum...... and I thought this thread already had it all! :D
Money quote of the thread:
"It is on O'Reily RIGHT NOW." - Edbert1
:rofl
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Originally posted by Nash
"If I wake up tomorrow and this thing is anywhere in the paper... I'll name my next kid Mr. Big. :D
"anywhere" as in anywhere?
:)
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Actually the 'money' quote in this thread is this one:
Originally posted by Nash
If I wake up tomorrow and this thing is anywhere in the paper... I'll name my next kid Mr. Big. :D
Damn... and I thought I was a lil too quick to pull the trigger. ;)
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Hehe.
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All quiet on the Yahoo! front... (http://news.yahoo.com/fc/World/Iraq)
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If that kid decides to do porn he will go far.
But goodluck in highschool for him.
What if its a girl....:O
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Have to admit it's pretty damn amusing watching Foxnews right now.
Foxnews: "OMFG!1!1!!1! TEH WMDS HAV BEN FOUND!!1!1!! HAHAHAH YU LIBZ R TEH SUXXORZ!11!111!"
Laura Schwartz , Democratic strategist (donning Obi Wan's robe) "These are not the WMD's you're looking for...*waves hand*
Fun stuff all around.
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Hehe, the Nash/Hangtime tag team appears in the thread. "In this corner, weighing in at {Psst, ed, is this correct!? Okay...} 125 lbs....Nash "Mr Big" master!!!! (Crowd giggles...);) Maybe Stringer will jump into the ring soon and come out swinging. You guys can then comfort each other and consider yourselfs "righteous". :lol
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Yup kinda a 'no brainer'... especially since george has a copy of the reciept his dad got from saddam when he sold them to him.
Yes, never mind that he was supposed to destroy them! ;) :rofl
Look, I'm not commenting on this story simply due to the reaction I've already seen in this thread of those who completely ridiculed the very idea that WMD even existed are stumbling over themselves like a senator whose name just showed up on the FBI Sting list. :rofl Whether or not its true, one of two things will happen IF true:
A) It will be downplayed by naysayers saying WE gave them the WMD (never mind that Saddam didn't comply with destroying them as I said above, Hang got that post in their too soon!)
B) People will mistrust the information and start joking about how accurated the original reports of WMD were back in 2002/2003. SOme will even say the report was fabricated.
Either way, this will be fun to watch. :)
Repeat after me...We would have gone into Iraq regardless of the WMD, it was long over due.
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Yikes.
I almost think I like you better when you simply rip 'n paste. Which is saying a lot.
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Originally posted by Nash
Yikes.
I almost think I like you better when you simply rip 'n paste. Which is saying a lot.
See? There it is. Sarcasm. Nothing constructive to add, no debate skills. Carry on. I'm enjoying this. :)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
See? There it is. Sarcasm. Nothing constructive to add, no debate skills. Carry on. I'm enjoying this. :)
Lol.... I was responding to your post:
Hehe, the Nash/Hangtime tag team appears in the thread. "In this corner, weighing in at {Psst, ed, is this correct!? Okay...} 125 lbs....Nash "Mr Big" master!!!! (Crowd giggles...)
That's "constructive?"
That "adds" something?
That constitutes "debate?"
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
Mrs plum - in the kitchen with the pie :)
MMMM, Mrs. Plum's pie :)
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Nobody is disputing the simple truth that Saddam lied about the WMD being destroyed... and was in violation of UN resolutions and got his just desserts. Whats in contention is the presence of a nuclear development program (there was.. the israli's didn't bomb a puppy kennel), a biologicals program (jury's out, but it's a no-brainer he was) and a 'weaponized' anthrax program... which is a pretty scary concept.
Unfortunately, the wrong guys are releasing this information.. at the wrong time. The right time was immediately after the president reviewed the report, and the source should have been the president.
Now, it all just sounds like political mud slinging.
Something you have some skill in, Rip.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Repeat after me...We would have gone into Iraq regardless of the WMD, it was long over due.
Long over due or not, I don't agree that it was an American problem. Before it's done, we will have spent trillions of dollars and there will be no recouping that loss.
Somalia started off as a humanitarian mission then changed into a nation-building mission and that’s where the mission went wrong. The mission was changed. And as a result, our nation paid a price, and so I don’t think our troops ought to be used for what’s called nation building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war. I think our troops ought to be used to help overthrow a dictator when it’s in our best interests. But in this case, it was a nation-building exercise. - George W. Bush, October 11, 2000.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
A) It will be downplayed by naysayers saying WE gave them the WMD (never mind that Saddam didn't comply with destroying them as I said above, Hang got that post in their too soon!)
B) People will mistrust the information and start joking about how accurated the original reports of WMD were back in 2002/2003. SOme will even say the report was fabricated.
I'm laughing so hard I forgot to add two more scenario's:
C)They were planted there
D) Where is Osama?
:rofl
Seriously, I bet this pans out like all the other stories about WMD, some found, but not significant...otherwise why wouldn't this have leaked in 2004 during the election?
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Originally posted by Sandman
Long over due or not, I don't agree that it was an American problem. Before it's done, we will have spent trillions of dollars and there will be no recouping that loss.
Yeah, just think, Russia or China would have sold Saddam the needed parts for developing weapons grade uranium. ;)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Yeah, just think, Russia or China would have sold Saddam the needed parts for developing weapons grade uranium. ;)
Nice try, but you're not going to convince anyone here that you're prescient.
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Yep, them's some keen debating skills you're flaunting there, Rip.
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TOB lives!
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Originally posted by Sandman
Nice try, but you're not going to convince anyone here that you're prescient.
Hey, Sanction money walks, Oil bribes talk ;)
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Originally posted by Toad
TOB lives!
"News of my demise has been greatly exaggerated."
I've been working a lot :)
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Wasn't this reported in 2004?
Why yes.... yes it was!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120268,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38528
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39158
woop-di-freakin-do
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When you topple a govt. you have to replace it with something or you get bent over for that too. I think we should have just killed everyone in Iraq & pumped the desert under their bleached bones dry, followed by Syria,Iran,Saudi Arabia,North Korea,the Palestinians,Somalia,Afghanistan, then Iran again,China,Russia,France,Canada,then Iran Again.
They had exactly what the WORLDS intelligence agencies said they had & now Syria & Iran have it because we *****footed around with the U.N. for months trying to get something done about it, screw the U.N. & every other bleeding heart liberal who has anything negative to say about the U.S. I am a fervent patriot & even if my country is proven wrong, we are still right...so argue with that.
Edit: I got nabbed by the net nanny again for typing a non-obscene word...would feline-footed around with the U.N. or cat-footed around with the U.N. be better?:lol
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Originally posted by Brenjen
I am a fervent patriot & even if my country is proven wrong, we are still right...so argue with that.
That's not patriotism. That's nationalism.
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Wow...
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On a side note...
Sandy, that's one mighty fine looking avatar!
:aok
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
On a side note...
Sandy, that's one mighty fine looking avatar!
:aok
...and a damn fine idea by Mr. Diablo. ;)
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Originally posted by Sandman
That's not patriotism. That's nationalism.
That's right, fervent, rabid, patriotic nationalism. Just like the other hated peoples of the world, if you can't beat 'em...join 'em.
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Originally posted by Sandman
That's not patriotism. That's nationalism.
I thought that was being simple minded and unable to learn from mistakes. Mistakes are human, countries are populated and governed by humans, we shouldn't be afraid to recognize them and learn from them.
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Originally posted by Brenjen
I am a fervent patriot & even if my country is proven wrong, we are still right...so argue with that.
talk about shootin' yourself in the foot
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Originally posted by Brenjen
That's right, fervent, rabid, patriotic nationalism. Just like the other hated peoples of the world, if you can't beat 'em...join 'em.
Now you're feeling oppressed. :aok :rofl
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
talk about shootin' yourself in the foot
Hardly, I'm just tired of hearing people bichen about my country. I want all of them dead, so there's a sentiment for their tears to dry on. I care not for the other people of the world, only my own & some of them should be deported to an enemy country before the bombs fall.
The ones whining the loudest about the U.S. should look into their own closets before bashing the U.S. for defending itself & it's people. How does it strike you to read a hateful arrogant one sided post?
Now you know how I feel about it when I read them directed at my country. (not saying your not an American xrtoronto I have no idea if you are or not)
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There is nothing more American than dissent.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Now you're feeling oppressed. :aok :rofl
Oppressed...no I'm not black, I've been told because I'm sort of off white I have no right to feel oppressed or feel other ways about things. I am feeling pissed off about the constant attacks from without & within by two-faced morons & I haven't even been drinking yet either.
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I've always wanted to see a PNG in progress...
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Originally posted by Sandman
There is nothing more American than dissent.
I agree; and nothing more adult than doing it in a respectful atmosphere of discussion of opposing views, all the internet harbors are juvenile prettythang#@%$ so I figured I would join them.
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Anyway...Back on topic.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
I've always wanted to see a PNG in progress...
LOL yeah.... you aint kiddin'. :D
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Originally posted by Brenjen
I agree; and nothing more adult than doing it in a respectful atmosphere of discussion of opposing views, all the internet harbors are juvenile prettythang#@%$ so I figured I would join them.
Good luck with that.
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Holy smokes....
I thought Toad was kidding when he brought up Ricky "Isn't-that-the-ultimate-homeland-security,-standing-up-and-defending-marriage?" Santorum was a joke.
But it was him, right?
Gawdamnit.... THANK YOU NUKE.
This is a laugh a mile rollercoaster thread.
Santorum.... Santorum found teh WMD!
........... omg.
:rofl
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Anyway...Back on topic.
It was never on topic blueJ1, if we found a nuke buried under one of saddams palaces the same group of nay-sayers would just swear the U.S. govt. put it there to make Bush look good so the republicans can win the next group of elections.
BTW sandman I like the way she looks in tight black outfits too, she's quite a dish.
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Originally posted by Brenjen
It was never on topic blueJ1, if we found a nuke buried under one of saddams palaces the same group of nay-sayers would just swear the U.S. govt. put it there to make Bush look good so the republicans can win the next group of elections.
I think it's a good time to refresh our memories about all the things that Dick Cheney KNEW on March 16, 2003.
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/bush/cheneymeetthepress.htm
They were wrong then. Billions of dollars and 2500+ American lives later, they're still wrong.
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A wandering back through this thread, and a quick tally of all the sources mentioned for this ground-shattering WMD news leaves us with this:
Sean Hannity's radio show
O'Reily
Sean Hannity's TV show
Santorum
"local radio show host"
Foxnews
Foxnews's ticker
WorldNetDaily
That is the sum total of the sources provided here.
That's it.
And an additional quick check around... Everyone else seems to be completely oblivious to the sort of news that would absolutely blow people's minds at this point. Since when are career making stories so dumbfoundingly abandoned?
Yeah.... WMD found in Iraq. pfft.
Nice one, Nuke.
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Its common knowlege that Saddam sent jets to Iran when George 1 started the first war to kick them outta Kuwait.They never returned them for the most part.Its not much of a stretch to assume he sent any really serious WMDs to Iran before George started the cleanup.
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Originally posted by DrDea
Its common knowlege that Saddam sent jets to Iran when George 1 started the first war to kick them outta Kuwait.They never returned them for the most part.Its not much of a stretch to assume he sent any really serious WMDs to Iran before George started the cleanup.
Right... because he was saving them for some later date when he really REALLY needed them.
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Reality check (for some):
2001: Powell & Rice Declare Iraq Has No WMD and Is Not a Threat
Click here for the video
(Windows Media Player format, 1 meg)
This clip from John Pilger's documentary, Breaking the Silence, contains 2001 footage of Powell and Rice declaring that Iraq is not a threat.
Thanks for the video go to Information Clearinghouse and A-infos Radio Project
>>> During the run-up to the 2003 attack on Iraq, we were repeatedly told by US leaders that Iraq absolutely, positively had weapons of mass destruction [read more]. The country was an immediate threat not only to its neighbors but to the entire world. It had the capability of launching WMDs within 45 minutes.
In August 2002, Cheney insisted: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction."
In a March 2003 address to the nation, Bush said: "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
In April 2003, Fleischer claimed: "But make no mistake--as I said earlier--we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about."
In February 2003, Powell said: "We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more."
But two years earlier, Powell said just the opposite. The occasion was a press conference on 24 February 2001 during Powell's visit to Cairo, Egypt. Answering a question about the US-led sanctions against Iraq, the Secretary of State said:
We had a good discussion, the Foreign Minister and I and the President and I, had a good discussion about the nature of the sanctions -- the fact that the sanctions exist -- not for the purpose of hurting the Iraqi people, but for the purpose of keeping in check Saddam Hussein's ambitions toward developing weapons of mass destruction. We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq...
[See the page on the State Department Website with Powell's Cairo press conference. The Memory Hole's mirror of the page.]
Furthermore, on 15 May 2001, Powell testified before the Foreign Operations, Export Financing and Related Programs Subcommittee of the Senate Appropriations Committee. Several kind readers with access to Lexis-Nexis sent me the full transcript of the questions-and-answers portion of Powell's testimony. Here's the relevant extract:
Senator Bennett: Mr. Secretary, the U.N. sanctions on Iraq expire the beginning of June. We've had bombs dropped, we've had threats made, we've had all kinds of activity vis-a-vis Iraq in the previous administration. Now we're coming to the end. What's our level of concern about the progress of Saddam Hussein's chemical and biological weapons programs?
Secretary Powell: The sanctions, as they are called, have succeeded over the last 10 years, not in deterring him from moving in that direction, but from actually being able to move in that direction. The Iraqi regime militarily remains fairly weak. It doesn't have the capacity it had 10 or 12 years ago. It has been contained. And even though we have no doubt in our mind that the Iraqi regime is pursuing programs to develop weapons of mass destruction -- chemical, biological and nuclear -- I think the best intelligence estimates suggest that they have not been terribly successful. There's no question that they have some stockpiles of some of these sorts of weapons still under their control, but they have not been able to break out, they have not been able to come out with the capacity to deliver these kinds of systems or to actually have these kinds of systems that is much beyond where they were 10 years ago.
So containment, using this arms control sanctions regime, I think has been reasonably successful. We have not been able to get the inspectors back in, though, to verify that, and we have not been able to get the inspectors in to pull up anything that might be left there. So we have to continue to view this regime with the greatest suspicion, attribute to them the most negative motives, which is quite well-deserved with this particular regime, and roll the sanctions over, and roll them over in a way where the arms control sanctions really go after their intended targets -- weapons of mass destruction -- and not go after civilian goods or civilian commodities that we really shouldn't be going after, just let that go to the Iraqi people. That wasn't the purpose of the oil-for-food program. And by reconfiguring them in that way, I think we can gain support for this regime once again.
When we came into office on the 20th of January, the whole sanctions regime was collapsing in front of our eyes. Nations were bailing out on it. We lost the consensus for this kind of regime because the Iraqi regime had successfully painted us as the ones causing the suffering of the Iraqi people, when it was the regime that was causing the suffering. They had more than enough money; they just weren't spending it in the proper way. And we were getting the blame for it. So reconfiguring the sanctions, I think, helps us and continues to contain the Iraqi regime.
But Powell wasn't the only senior administration official telling the truth before the truth became highly inconvenient. On 29 July 2001, Condoleezza Rice appeared on CNN Late Edition With Wolf Blitzer (an anonymous reader sent me the full transcript from Lexis-Nexis). Guest host John King asked Rice about the fact that Iraq had recently fired on US planes enforcing the "no-fly zones" in Iraq. Rice craftily responds:
Well, the president has made very clear that he considers Saddam Hussein to be a threat to his neighbors, a threat to security in the region, in fact a threat to international security more broadly.
Notice that she makes it clear that Bush is the one who considers Hussein a threat. She doesn't say, "I consider..." or even, "We consider..."
Then King asks her about the sanctions against Iraq. She replies:
But in terms of Saddam Hussein being there, let's remember that his country is divided, in effect. He does not control the northern part of his country. We are able to keep arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt.
King doesn't think to ask Rice, if Hussein hasn't been getting arms and his forces weren't rebuilt after the 1991 Gulf War, why Bush considers him a threat.
There you have it. Four to seven months before 9/11--and just 15 to 18 months before the drive to attack Iraq seriously revved up--the Secretary of State and the National Security Advisor trumpeted that Iraq had a decimated military, no "significant capabilities" regarding WMD, and was so feeble that it couldn't even threaten the countries around it with conventional military power.
source (http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/powell-no-wmd.htm)
NOW, you were saying...
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Yeah Nash,
Other than being reported on the no.1 news station in the US, Fox News, The number 2 radio show in the US, Sean Hannity, the no.1 O'Riely, CNN, and others, you don't see it reported much... yet.
Right now, only about 50 million people have seen it reported. Nothing really.
Other than coming from a declassified Intelligence document, courtesy of Pete Hoekstra , House Intelligence Commity Chairman, I'm sure it's just a Fox News lie.
After all, because Santorum was reading the declassified document, the document must be ignored.
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Popularity isn't relevant.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Popularity isn't relevant.
It is relevent. Many millions of people have now seen the intelligence report that Nash dismisses out of hand (due to the messenger being someone he doesn't like).
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Originally posted by Mr Big
Yeah Nash,
Other than being reported on the no.1 news station in the US, Fox News, The number 2 radio show in the US, Sean Hannity, the no.1 O'Riely, CNN, and others, you don't see it reported much... yet.
Actually no - it's not on CNN. Nor is it on any "others."
So you're just left with "Fox News," "Sean Hannity," and "O'Riely."
Keep diggin', buddy! :aok
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Originally posted by Nash
Actually no - it's not on CNN. Nor is it on any "others."
So you're just left with "Fox News," "Sean Hannity," and "O'Riely."
Keep diggin', buddy! :aok
Are you telling me that I didn't just see it on CNN?
Digging for what? It's in an itelligence report. Are you saying it's not?
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Originally posted by Sandman
Popularity isn't relevant.
Just like the popular vote .
:D
Bronk
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Yes.... You didn't see it on CNN.
(lol - how the hell do I know?.... But.... I've had it on in the background now for the last hour and all it is is Cher and helmets.)
Maybe I missed some special 'breaking news" thing when I ran to the store a little while ago. But somehow I doubt it.
Since when does the actual finding of WMD not warrant front page coverage everywhere? It's certainly not on CNN's.
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Other than Foxnews I haven't seen it anywhere else; CNN, Yahoo, etc...
Maybe they learned a lesson from Dan Rather.
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Quoted from the document I posted above:
"But make no mistake--as I said earlier--we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about." - Ari Fleisher
Nuke, IF it were true about finding wmd's it would be front page WORLD news at an instant -- THAT IS THE REASON YOU GAVE THE WORLD FOR GOING TO WAR
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Here is a clue for you guys.
500 weapons have been found since 2003. They contained mustard and VX gas, according to a declassified intelligence document.
Are you saying that you don't beleive it?
Are you saying that the document is not true?
Are you saying that it cannot be found on CNN's website right now?
Are you saying that I can't list a bunch of other sources that reported it?
Cause this is gonna be funny. Nash, you jump into things and say things without thinking first. I don't.
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Ok stupid thought but what the heck....Do you think the nuke program Saddam had was sent to Iran and now the Iranians are building what Saddam was starting??
Even though those two countries hate each other they both have one thing in common....They both hated the USA.....as a matter of fact most if not all middle eastern countries hate us.
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It's not that I don't believe, I have no reason to discard the information.
But what sticks in my craw is; Why wasn't this information disseminated much, much earlier?
Which brings me to why the White House would withhold this information for all this time and I, for the life of me, can't think of one good reason. The Foxnews video said the White House didn't want to release the information because "they didn't want to get into 'that' argument again." :huh
Something very fishy here...
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Originally posted by Mr Big
Cause this is gonna be funny. Nash, you jump into things and say things without thinking first. I don't.
We'll see about that, Nuke, when the sun rises tomorrow and this is either one of, if not the biggest story since the invasion, or..... it isn't. ;)
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
It's not that I don't believe, I have no reason to discard the information.
But what sticks in my craw is; Why wasn't this information disseminated much, much earlier?
Which brings me to why the White House would withhold this information for all this time and I, for the life of me, can't think of one good reason. The Foxnews video said the White House didn't want to release the information because "they didn't want to get into 'that' argument again." :huh
Something very fishy here...
Well, they have been trying to get this report declassified for 2 years.
The only reason I could imagine for keeping it under wraps is that possibly the intelligence could embarrass somebody, like Russia.
Maybe we made a deal a long time ago with someone that may have helped Iraq get ride of or hide some WMD? I don't know.
I'm sure all kinds of deals have been made behind the scenes since 911.
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Now you're going to go all paranoid conspiracy theory on me?
Baby... don't do that to me. Don't do that to us.
I thought we had something good going here. Something real.
You're tearing me up inside.
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Originally posted by Nash
We'll see about that, Nuke, when the sun rises tomorrow and this is either one of, if not the biggest story since the invasion, or..... it isn't. ;)
So now it has to be one of the biggest stories? I thought it just had to make the papers, anywhere?
To be honest, I don't think it's a huge story and I have never said that I thought it was.
What makes you think that finding 500 shells filled with VX and Mustard gas is such a big deal?
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Originally posted by Nash
Now you're going to go all paranoid conspiracy theory on me?
Baby... don't do that to me. Don't do that to us.
I thought we had something good going here. Something real.
You're tearing me up inside.
Im being realistic.
Let's just assume for arguments sake that the report is true. Can *you* think of any reason to classify it?
The reason I listed was the only thing I could think of. That's not being nutty, it's just giving my thoughts on the matter.
I really have no idea what goes on behind the curtain, and neither do you.
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Originally posted by Mr Big
What makes you think that finding 500 shells filled with VX and Mustard gas is such a big deal?
Oh... I don't know....
Maybe a thread entitled "Breaking news, WMD in Iraq" posted by, oh... I don't know... you.
Exactly what was I underestimating when you said "You are underestimating this"?
I see the backpedal is already starting to take place.
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think about it Nuke.. do you really want Nash to name a kid after yah?
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Originally posted by Mr Big
Well, they have been trying to get this report declassified for 2 years.
As we learned from the Valerie Plame scandal, the President is free to declassify whatever he likes whenever he likes.
I'm guessing something like WMD would have shot straight up to the top of the queue.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
think about it Nuke.. do you really want Nash to name a kid after yah?
What's your problem?
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Originally posted by Sandman
As we learned from the Valerie Plame scandal, the President is free to declassify whatever he likes whenever he likes.
I'm guessing something like WMD would have shot straight up to the top of the queue.
See my post.
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Originally posted by Sandman
As we learned from the Valerie Plame scandal, the President is free to declassify whatever he likes whenever he likes.
I'm guessing something like WMD would have shot straight up to the top of the queue.
Depends on what's in the report. Most of it is classified.
And Nash, I'm not backpeddling on anything.
500 WMD have been found, and it was breaking news.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
See my post.
We are in violent agreement. ;)
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Originally posted by Sandman
We are in violent agreement. ;)
A conservative and a liberal on the same page?????
The end is nigh!!!!
:aok
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Something very fishy indeed... (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200435,00.html)
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He aint gonna survive '06. Done like dinner.
All he can do now is talk about bonin' dogs and other nonsense and hope that gets him some kind of traction. He's played. And good riddance.
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So, the document is not true because the douchbag is not popular?
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Originally posted by Mr Big
So, the document is not true because the douchbag is not popular?
Ahem... Popularity IS relevant, remember? ;)
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Originally posted by Nash
What's your problem?
Ok.. lemme change tacks...
do you really wanna name yer kid 'Nuke'?
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So now it's an "old document" and only pertains to mustard gas? lol.
500 shells, VX and mustard gas. If the document is so old, why haven't we heard of it before???
I know, I know.....it's because is was just recently declassified, duh.
You get all tripped up because it was first reported on Sean Hannity?
You went from "it's a joke" to "it's an old document" pretty fast.
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lol, nice edit/delete Nash.
Don't worry, we're all friends here. :)
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Uh....
No Hang, I don't.
Thanks for asking though.
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Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough agent to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets. - Colin Powell, February 2003
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Originally posted by Mr Big
lol, nice edit/delete Nash.
Don't worry, we're all friends here. :)
Huh?
I deleted mine 'cuz you deleted yours.
erhm....... didn't you?
Now you got me all confused.... But just in case, here's the post I deleted:
Who said that?
Nuke - this is an old document, pertaining to mustard gas, which has nothing to do with the sort of WMD that was the basis for the invasion, being hyped by an embattled Senator.
Thanks for the trip down memory lane, though. These types of threads used to pop up here every two weeks..... with people falling all over themselves over every erroneous faux news headline.
You don't see it so much these days, but I think the past is important, because it helps us learn from the mistakes so we don't repeat them.
So why are you shouting about yet another bogus WMD claim being touted by FOX news?
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Originally posted by Nash
Uh....
No Hang, I don't.
Thanks for asking though.
No repsonse to your deleted post? :D
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Okay nash, lol. How did you have a copy of the post you deleted? That's just anal, lol.
I didn't delete a post.
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I hit cntrl x first.
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"We were wrong. The intelligence community was wrong, the British intelligence community was wrong, and all the other intelligence communities were wrong and I presented wrong information, because that was the information we believed to be true at the time." - Colin Powell, January 2006
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Originally posted by Sandman
"I presented wrong information, because that was the information we believed to be true at the time." - Colin Powell, January 2006
So Bush didn't lie?
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Originally posted by Mr Big
So Bush didn't lie?
:rofl
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Originally posted by Sandman
All quiet on the Yahoo! front... (http://news.yahoo.com/fc/World/Iraq)
Thanks for the link. I enjoyed reading about the 500 wmd found in Iraq from that link.
yahoo (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060622/wl_afp/uscongressiraqweaponschemical_060622055545;_ylt=AgK.q8ZyH3sT3NJekE0pP95X6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl)
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Sorry, the page you requested was not found.
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yes its all a lie.....
MUSLIM IS PEACE
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The 45 minutes thing was always based on how much it took the palace cook to get a dish of very spicy beans on Saddam's table and our dear dictator to gulp it down.
I'm waiting for next week when they declassify the chemical analysis of the air in Saddam's cell everytime he launches the Al-Farto rocket.
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Hey hey! The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/21/AR2006062101837.html) has the story.
The smoking gun has been found! The smoking... gun... has...
Um...
The lawmakers pointed to an unclassified summary from a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center regarding 500 chemical munitions shells that had been buried near the Iranian border, and then long forgotten, by Iraqi troops during their eight-year war with Iran, which ended in 1988.
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hehe
lol...
Bwahahahahahahahahahahaahahah!
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I'm laughing so hard
:rofl
I agree....
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Originally posted by Stringer
I agree...Originally posted by Ripsnort
Seriously, I bet this pans out like all the other stories about WMD, some found, but not significant...otherwise why wouldn't this have leaked in 2004 during the election?
. [/B]
The funny part was, watching Hang and nash tag team...they appeared to be stumbling. God Forbid if they ever find WMD that were hidden from UN inspectors....:rofl
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It was even funnier watching the Mr. Big/Ripsnort tag team.
Rip, on a serious note, I would rather we DO find WMD. It's why I supported this invasion. It's the reason given to the American public and the world for going in. Because the Admin and the CIA has admitted that they were not there is why I'm pissed now.
Of course heaven forbid the usual suspects on this board admit to being wrong on WMD's, especially after the White House and the CIA have already admitted to being wrong on WMD's.
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Originally posted by Mr Big
So Bush didn't lie?
"Four to seven months before 9/11--and just 15 to 18 months before the drive to attack Iraq seriously revved up--the Secretary of State and the National Security Advisor trumpeted that Iraq had a decimated military, no "significant capabilities" regarding WMD, and was so feeble that it couldn't even threaten the countries around it with conventional military power."
...from the article I posted on page 2 of this thread
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Originally posted by Stringer
It was even funnier watching the Mr. Big/Ripsnort tag team.
Rip, on a serious note, I would rather we DO find WMD. It's why I supported this invasion. It's the reason given to the American public and the world for going in. Because the Admin and the CIA has admitted that they were not there is why I'm pissed now.
Of course heaven forbid the usual suspects on this board admit to being wrong on WMD's, especially after the White House and the CIA have already admitted to being wrong on WMD's.
We've had this discussion before haven't we? WMD was not the SOLE reason for invasion. That's the part you're stuck on, stubbornly...
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
We've had this discussion before haven't we? WMD was not the SOLE reason for invasion. That's the part you're stuck on, stubbornly...
That's what you are stuck on and WRONG ...
"But make no mistake--as I said earlier--we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about." - Ari Fleisher
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
That's what you are stuck on and WRONG ...
"But make no mistake--as I said earlier--we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about." - Ari Fleisher
I feel like Bill Murray in Ground Hogs Day. :confused:
WMD? nope. (A minimal amount, sarin shells, but not the quantity we expected)
History of agression? Check
Seeking Nuclear weapons? Check
Violated numerous UN resolutions? Check
Undermining the sanctions put forth against that country? Check
Practicing terror on its own people? Check.
harboring terrorists? Check.
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Bill finally saw the error of his ways and that ended his nightmare... here's hoping the same for you.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I feel like Bill Murray in Ground Hogs Day. :confused:
WMD? nope. (A minimal amount, sarin shells, but not the quantity we expected)
History of agression? Check
Seeking Nuclear weapons? Check
Violated numerous UN resolutions? Check
Undermining the sanctions put forth against that country? Check
Practicing terror on its own people? Check.
harboring terrorists? Check.
But at the end of that movie he got the girl!!
:)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Bill finally saw the error of his ways and that ended his nightmare... here's hoping the same for you.
I know you think Saddam and his son's were just misunderstood, but the rest of us live in reality, not Southern California.
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Who did they play in the movie?
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Rip,
It was about WMD's.
BUT, your harboring terrorist checkmark has been debunked as well. No A-Q/Saddam link ever found.
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Originally posted by Stringer
Rip,
It was about WMD's.
BUT, your harboring terrorist checkmark has been debunked as well. No A-Q/Saddam link ever found.
I've posted the translations for you before from the War Archieves... you choose to ignore them.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=180252&referrerid=3203
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Who did they play in the movie?
How come you're changing the subject? You feeling okay? Don't you have a bunch of illegals getting paid mininum wage to "manage"? :rofl
I'm on vacation today, without my car :( But I do have an unscheduled teleconference at 10:30. Toodle pips! ;)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I've posted the translations for you before from the War Archieves... you choose to ignore them.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=180252&referrerid=3203
And I've posted the head of the CIA's Bin Laden unit stating that no link ever existed and they consistently looked for a link well before 9/11 or Iraq war talk ever happened.
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Yes ..LMFAO ..Stringer..
Saddam was a great guy..who would never Fund or help terrorists attck USA..
Along with his traiing and giving aid to muslim fanatic scum....
I guess those $25,000 Checks to the idiots blowing up busses and pizza parlors in isreal were..um...martyrs!!!
I say we WACK ALL STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM!!!
One step at a time
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Have to admit it's pretty damn amusing watching Foxnews right now.
Laura Schwartz , Democratic strategist (donning Obi Wan's robe) "These are not the WMD's you're looking for...*waves hand*
Fun stuff all around.
Was Obi wan an Iraqi?
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“Jim Angle, who reported this for FOX News, quotes a defense official who says these were pre-1991 weapons that could not have been fired as designed because they’d already been degraded and the official went on to say these are not the WMD’s this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had and not the WMD’s for which this country went to war.” -- Alan Colmes, Hannity and Colmes
Guess we shouldn't believe this because it came from Fox News.
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hey...hussein was the weapon of mass destruction. right?
anway...we had hussein cornered. we should have finished the deal in afganistan before getting aggressive with Iraq. afganistan is being challenged again and the stability there is now threatened with the UN becoming more involved, and more likely to retreat when the going gets rough, leaving the reduced US forces and the afgani government in peril.
I think bush and his handlers screwed up big time but there is now a need greater than ever of seeing a stable government survive in afganistan and develop in iraq. It will take several more years minimum and bailing out by the end of july 07 like kerry wants is just bad for the entire planet. even h. clinton wants an open ended commitment in iraq.
stay the course, failure is not yet guaranteed.
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I agree, Yeager.
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Rip, on a serious note, I would rather we DO find WMD. It's why I supported this invasion. It's the reason given to the American public and the world for going in. Because the Admin and the CIA has admitted that they were not there is why I'm pissed now.
Of all the stockpiles of chemical weapons the Iraqis originally had, some has yet to be accounted for. It has yet to be verified that they were in fact destroyed and they havent been found yet. I don't know if we will ever find evidence that they were destroyed or if they will ever be found. No reason to get ticked about it though, this is completely beyond our control.
For those claiming there were no A-Q links to Iraq, I dont recall our gov't ever saying that. They did say Saddam had links to terrorism, that much is true. People automatically assumed it was A-Q that Saddam had links with. It is no more rediculous to say that Saddam had links to A-Q than it is to say that Saddam was harboring terrorists and then jump up and down screaming he had no links to A-Q. I think we all know he had no links to A-Q.
Who cares if a terrorist belongs to A-Q or not? I dont, a terrorist is a terrorist regardless of which organization (and there are many different organizations) he is affiliated with.
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No need to recall. We have transcripts from Meet the Press with Vice President Dick Cheney.
Source (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080244/)
We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the ’90s, that it involved training, for example, on BW and CW, that al-Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems that are involved. The Iraqis providing bomb-making expertise and advice to the al-Qaeda organization.
Other Source (http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/bush/meet.htm)
Well, I want to be very careful about how I say this. I’m not here today to make a specific allegation that Iraq was somehow responsible for 9/11. I can’t say that. On the other hand, since we did that interview, new information has come to light. And we spent time looking at that relationship between Iraq, on the one hand, and the al-Qaeda organization on the other. And there has been reporting that suggests that there have been a number of contacts over the years.
There is-again, I want to separate out 9/11, from the other relationships between Iraq and the al-Qaeda organization. But there is a pattern of relationships going back many years. And in terms of exchanges and in terms of people, we’ve had recently since the operations in Afghanistan-we’ve seen al-Qaeda members operating physically in Iraq and off the territory of Iraq.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
How come you're changing the subject? You feeling okay? Don't you have a bunch of illegals getting paid mininum wage to "manage"? :rofl
I'm on vacation today, without my car :( But I do have an unscheduled teleconference at 10:30. Toodle pips! ;)
I'm sorry Rip.
I'm sorry that you seem to lose the train of the conversation. Remember it was about Groundhog Day... you even brought it up.
I'm sorry you have such low regard for working people in this country that you think "minimum wage" is an insult.
I'm sorry if you think "managing" people is below your station in life.
But most of all I'm sorry to get into this little tiff. Unlike managing people, I think it's below me.
Toodle pip!
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For the chronologically-disabled readers, who can't follow a thread well...
Originally posted by Ripsnort
I know you think Saddam and his son's were just misunderstood, but the rest of us live in reality, not Southern California.
Immediately followed by:
Originally posted by midnight Target
Who did they play in the movie?
Whoop!:aok
(Please note, subject *was* changed back, but you had no answer, because you love Saddam and his sons. ;) )
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
If that kid decides to do porn he will go far.
But goodluck in highschool for him.
What if its a girl....:O
Mrs. Biggins?
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Originally posted by Sandman
No need to recall. We have transcripts from Meet the Press with Vice President Dick Cheney.
Source (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080244/)
Other Source (http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/bush/meet.htm)
Ahhh, thanks for jogging my memory Sandman. Wasn't there ONE A-Q guy that briefly hung out in Iraq, got some medical attention while he was there?
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Originally posted by Nash
Where do ya even begin with a post like this?
Sean Hannity?
... did Iraq not pay its bill? Was this some kind of massive repo operation? Is that what necessitated the invasion? To take it back?
:rofl :aok
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Originally posted by Airscrew
Is it Col. Mustard?
Yes...It was Col. Mustard...in the Library with the WMD.
I wIn!!:D
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Yes, never mind that he was supposed to destroy them! ;)
What..You sell them the chemical kaka,then say"Wait!.Nooo!..You can't use it!!"
Did the chemical company in US issue a recall saying the "Product" was unsafe???
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Nobody is disputing the simple truth that Saddam lied about the WMD being destroyed... and was in violation of UN resolutions and got his just desserts. Whats in contention is the presence of a nuclear development program (there was.. the israli's didn't bomb a puppy kennel), a biologicals program (jury's out, but it's a no-brainer he was) and a 'weaponized' anthrax program... which is a pretty scary concept.
Unfortunately, the wrong guys are releasing this information.. at the wrong time. The right time was immediately after the president reviewed the report, and the source should have been the president.
Now, it all just sounds like political mud slinging.
Something you have some skill in, Rip.
You should take a look at the latest Frontline. It's called Cheney vs. Tenet. It gives background on Cheney and the moves he made to get CIA to take a backseat to the Pentagon after 9/11. It's very well done.
In the show, it shows just how close Saddam was to a detonation of a nuclear weapon when the Israelis went in and bombed his nuclear plant. He was 9 months to a year away from a nuke, and that when? I want to say it was very early 1990s.
So, to give some perspective to it - at one TIME, it was well known that Saddam was pretty far along. Since then, however - after Gulf War I, the extent of the damage to his country was overwhelming and a well kept secret. The initial air campaigns against Iraq and the subsequent no fly zone, reduced his military to a joke. His infrastructure to nil.
As to what's been found? Sarin gas that dates back to the Iran/Iraq war. QFD. Hardly biological or nuclear. If the bar of a WMD has been lowered to sarin gas, then every single nation on the planet has a WMD. Warlords in Somalia have gas.
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I am not all that excieted about all the 1991 sarin gas but...
I have allways felt that since the sadman was allways pursueing WMD that there was no reason to think that he would do so as long as he was in power... as long as he lived.
I believe that his WMD program was about shut down after 1991 or so but that he was his own worst enemy and hid the fact to make himself seem more significant.... I believe he led the world to believe that he did have em.
But... we still come back to..... If he could he would.... so long as he was in power he was a threat to the world and his people.... the second he had an opportunity he would ramp his nuke program right back up without any hesitation... If he could purchase a nuke he would have done that.
The man needed to be gone and he cooperated.
lazs
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Originally posted by Mr Big
Here is a clue for you guys.
500 weapons have been found since 2003. They contained mustard and VX gas, according to a declassified intelligence document.
Are you saying that you don't beleive it?
Read a bit more Mr. Big (or maybe I need to read a bit more), for what I've learned is those weapons, the 500, we new about. We didn't go to war about what we knew. Why we went to war is covered nicely here:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/
It's well worth the 90 mins it takes to watch it. And, it is free to watch on your computer.
hap
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Hap,
You have to give them a direct link to the 'view program' page or they won't figure it out for themsleves :p
Dark Side (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/view/)
For those who haven't seen it I highly recommend it...
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quote:
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Originally posted by Brenjen
I am a fervent patriot & even if my country is proven wrong, we are still right...so argue with that
Originally posted by Sandman
That's not patriotism. That's nationalism.
More like stupidity. Even when you prove me wrong I'm right, yep stupidity!!!
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Originally posted by Brenjen
Hardly, I'm just tired of hearing people bichen about my country. I want all of them dead, so there's a sentiment for their tears to dry on. I care not for the other people of the world, only my own & some of them should be deported to an enemy country before the bombs fall.
The ones whining the loudest about the U.S. should look into their own closets before bashing the U.S. for defending itself & it's people. How does it strike you to read a hateful arrogant one sided post?
Now you know how I feel about it when I read them directed at my country. (not saying your not an American xrtoronto I have no idea if you are or not)
With attitudes like this it amazes me people still wonder why the world hates Americans.
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jingoism
• noun chiefly derogatory extreme patriotism, especially in the form of aggressive foreign policy.
— DERIVATIVES jingoist noun jingoistic adjective.
troglodyte
/trogldit/
• noun 1 a cave-dweller. 2 a person who is deliberately ignorant or old-fashioned.
— DERIVATIVES troglodytic adjective.
hap
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Originally posted by Mr Big
was listening to a Senator who was on Sean Hannity's radio show. I forget his name.
He was giving the unclassified info and said he was working to get other parts declassified, from a classified document that he has clearence and access too.
Basically he confirmed that the US has found at least 500 weapons partially or fully filled with mustard and VX nerve gas since 2003.
He said it was a fact that he could confirm. He also said the document reveals that we expect to find more and he alluded to intelligence that may give some answers as to what happened to a lot of thr WMDs before the US invaded.
BS :aok
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Originally posted by Elfie
Ahhh, thanks for jogging my memory Sandman. Wasn't there ONE A-Q guy that briefly hung out in Iraq, got some medical attention while he was there?
Hmmm... I don't recall that.
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It was the deader. You can still get did not/did so arguments about it tho.
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/zarqawi.htm)
In mid 200l, ZARQAWI returned to Qandahar from Herat. At this time, he had received more than U.S. $35,000 for work in Palestine. ZARQAWI planned to use the money to bring more Jordanian and Palestinian mujaheddin to the camp in Herat, to purchase passports, and to facilitate travel to Lebanon. He received assurances that further financing would be provided for attacks against Israel. In early 2002, ZARQAWI was reported to have found a way into Palestine.
Zarqawi's activities were not confined to a small corner of northeast Iraq. He traveled to Baghdad in May of 2002 for medical treatment, staying in the capital of Iraq for two months while he recuperated to fight another day. During his stay, nearly two dozen extremists converged on Baghdad and established a base of operations there. These al-Qaida affiliates based in Baghdad coordinated the movement of people, money and supplies into and throughout Iraq for his network.
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Originally posted by TW9
BS :aok
Actually, it's true.:aok
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i dunno its hard to believe the States would classify something that would justify us being here..
also we've been hit by just about everything sadam left behind except for wmd's..
Dont believe everything u read :) :aok
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Originally posted by TW9
i dunno its hard to believe the States would classify something that would justify us being here..
also we've been hit by just about everything sadam left behind except for wmd's..
Dont believe everything u read :) :aok
Like I said, it's true. :) :aok