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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Igloo on October 31, 2000, 01:26:00 PM
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Well, this is currently being discssed by the United Nations. What are your views on this? Personally, if it was run correctly, I would be 100% for it. Each country/state/whatever would have a representive elected and hold council in a system much like the ancient Greeks. The world as a whole, would be united in all their dealings.
Actually, in a poll, it was only American's who were against this sort of thing.
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Hmm, thought we already had one? Spiritually anyways! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Igloo:
Well, this is currently being discssed by the United Nations. What are your views on this? Personally, if it was run correctly, I would be 100% for it. Each country/state/whatever would have a representive elected and hold council in a system much like the ancient Greeks. The world as a whole, would be united in all their dealings.
Actually, in a poll, it was only American's who were against this sort of thing.
Ohhhh such an uthopy!
you got to love human race, always dreaming in impossible things...
you REALLY thing that a world government is feasible while:
a)a lot of Arabs want Jews' heads on a stick
b)a lot of Jews want Arabs' heads on a stick
c)half the countries of the world hate the other half
d)there are strong nationalist moves in today's nations (spain the first (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif))
e)there are a lot of dictatorships that will "love" the idea. to give a <FINGER> to the idea,I mean
f)three quarters of the world are starving while the other quarter is getting richer each day that passes by...
g)...etcetera...many many reasons.
Come on in a future far far far away maybe this is feasible. Just today is impossible.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Hmm, thought we already had one? Spiritually anyways! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
LOL! tell the arabs and jews, Rip. they both along with christians, share the same God, and they are killing each others...
and we christians weren't much better just one century ago, btw (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
The world is simply not mature for a thing like that...and spiritually the division is still more deep than politically. See, Iraq and Iran...chii islamists vs sunni islamists...In christianism, Catholicism vs Ortodox christianism, in Jewish religion, ortodox vs progressive....
Religion will never work as something to unite human race. Many religions and many atheists for that.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 10-31-2000).]
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Nonsense.
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Why in the world would anyone want to have one world government???
Not me, I embrace diversity. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Gunthr:
Why in the world would anyone want to have one world government???
Not me, I embrace diversity. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Gunthr...someday, sometime, human race will act as a unity. The time will come when we must go and colonice other planets and (with luck and if there is any phisic way to do it) other solar systems.
That will only be possible with our race together as one. Either we unite or we starve in a little planet with limited resources. Its our destiny as a race, to die or expand. And expansion will be only possible with an union.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Hmm, thought we already had one? Spiritually anyways! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
We are working on that one Rip. That is why a one world government will not work today or any day in the near future. We as individuals are not ready. Can you imagine the corruption at the global level? A democracy wouldn't work but a dictatorship with communist style government could. Be careful what you wish for.........
Eagler
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Ahh yes, Ram. You remind me that our destiny is the stars. I believe that. But we will be long forgotten, and nobody will remember our names. <S> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Meanwhile, we will scrabble around on this ball of mud doing all our little things, and hoping that life will be worth living for our children.
Some day though, I want to visit Spain, SPAIN. And meet SPANIARDS. Not some bland denizens of a world government region, all speaking Esperanto or something.
Gunthr
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Originally posted by Gunthr:
Ahh yes, Ram. You remind me that our destiny is the stars. I believe that. But we will be long forgotten, and nobody will remember our names. <S> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Gunthr
Humm, Gunthr...dont be so sure, maybe is much sooner than you think (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). Just see how humanity has advanced since 1800 until today. The technical growth has been geometrical, and each year we pass we reach new levels of knowledge. Remember that new some months ago about molecular computers?...I bet that in 100 years from now the 2100 men will see us as we are seeing now year 1800's people...
Advances in Phisics, and more specifically in Informatic Phisics and Astrophisics are unstoppable for now. I know it well, I am studying phisics (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif). ANd I am amazed at the rate that the human kind is growing in wisdom.
Mars is only a few years away. Hopefully most people here will see the day when a guy puts a leg on Mars' surface, and a major human colony in the Moon. From then onwards new challenges await for us...more planets to visit...
Reach to the stars...that may be a lot of centuries away or, if some major breakthrough in phisics happens (I'm not very aware of this,and really dont know much about it, but I have heard several times that the "hyperspace" concept can have a lot of truth in it), in much less.
Dreams (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I am a dreamer ,too...
If I only could see that day...
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Well, this will be a whole can of worms:
1) Who would get to be the 51's state?
2) Which would be the last?
3) Would Texas mind not being the only state the was a independent country anymore?
4) Would Canada come in as one state or would the provinces become states?
5) Who wants Quebec anyway?
Just a few of the problems and I haven't got to Europe yet.
PC
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OOOOOO..and the biggest problem yet.
Where would the HQ be???
Wouldnt be acceptable if it were in the US....being evil and all.
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Originally posted by RAM:
Gunthr...someday, sometime, human race will act as a unity. The time will come when we must go and colonice other planets and (with luck and if there is any phisic way to do it) other solar systems.
That will only be possible with our race together as one. Either we unite or we starve in a little planet with limited resources. Its our destiny as a race, to die or expand. And expansion will be only possible with an union.
I want some of what RAM is smoking (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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LOL Ping!
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Originally posted by Eagler:
I want some of what RAM is smoking (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Yeah I know it Eagler. I am a dreamer...but dont doubt ever for a minute that the moment I am saying will arrive. Its a matter of surviving or dying. And I'd rather place my bets on Human's sense of survability (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
and, BTW, I dont smoke (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 10-31-2000).]
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One thing we are all overlooking is that the bible predicts that when we have ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT is when the ANTI-CHRIST will rize up, and show the mark of the beast, 666.
Another sign that will be a harbinger that the end is near, is that all the missing socks in the whole world will be found in one place. When that happens, you had better drop to your knees and start praying.
The Four Horseman of the Apocolypse will arrive and that will be the end of the world.
I'm sure the devil is heating up a special frying pan for liberals like Igloo and atheists like StSanta. I can hear them sizzeling right now! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Of course, all those who are conservative will sit at the right hand of God.
<S> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Gunthr
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Over my dead body.
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I prefer diversity.
MacDonalds at the Pyramids in Giza is too much. (already a reality)
Even if you eliminated religions people would still find some way to hate or be jealous of each other.
Just look at the "Someone gets cheaper prices" thread and you can see what would happen.
"I hate all BMW drivers"
"I hate all <blank> people"
As for God saving us...IF he/she/it existed..maybe.
Religion is just a belief based on the hope that there is a "purpose".
(and a way to control the masses in ancient times)
RAM:
I hate to tell you.
We are not going to other planets.
Even IF the technology could be developed.. it would be too far into the future to help.
If people can't figure out how to stop "killing" this one we are in trouble.
In reality we don't have to stop doing anything we do, environment wise.
We just have to get the population down to a "sustainable" level.
If we don't do it...the planet will not die off...WE will be cleaned out like a herd of starving elk. (not wiped out...just reduced dratically in number)
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Originally posted by funked:
Over my dead body.
Yep, it would be or you will be in jail as the government had already disarmed you.
It is scary to think some would even think this was a good idea. Seems the have nots are more inclined for this mindset under the impression that it would equal out the balance of things. Just as the left does today in the US. But as the generations roll by, this be an easier sell as ignorance and compliance will grow (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Eagler
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Originally posted by PC:
Well, this will be a whole can of worms:
4) Would Canada come in as one state or would the provinces become states?
PC
Neither...that is why we are still fighting mandatory gun registration. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Ever see the movie "Red Dawn".
Just make the invaders the U.S.
and the small guerilla groups the Canadians.
We did kick your bellybutton once....
(War of 1812)
Don't make us do it again !!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Get serious Snoopi.
The Detroit Police Department could cross over the Ambassador Bridge in Windsor and take over your country in 2 days.
And relieve you of your cash at the same time.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Igloo:
Well, this is currently being discssed by the United Nations. What are your views on this? Personally, if it was run correctly, I would be 100% for it. Each country/state/whatever would have a representive elected and hold council in a system much like the ancient Greeks. The world as a whole, would be united in all their dealings.
Actually, in a poll, it was only American's who were against this sort of thing.
I see it's time to break out my firearms and make sure they are all well-oiled. Don't worry Funked, I got enough ammo for both of us. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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LJK_Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps (http://www.luftjagerkorps.com)
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Not a hope in hell.
Maybe in a thousand years when things have changed a bit - who knows, necessity might dictate a unified government?
Besides, look at the United Kingdom - Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland all wanting de-centralisation (while still wanting a finger in the pie in Westminster).
The UN is a good enough body to allow issues to be discussed between countries, and organisations such as WHO etc do a great job in addressing global issues.
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Originally posted by Snoopi:
RAM:
I hate to tell you.
We are not going to other planets.
Even IF the technology could be developed.. it would be too far into the future to help.
Technically, we have already done it...if you take the Moon as a planet (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
Solar system colonization will happen not far in the future, regardless of the political situation on the earth. Beyond that, in the thought of colonization of other solar systems...I agree, it is far in the future, and unfeasible without a united Earth government.
And I agree again, that human race is far from being mature to do this possible now. But someday....
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 10-31-2000).]
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Nah, I don't think so.
It was hard enough getting shut of you Euro's the first time.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
You'll find mine laying next to Funked's.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Toad
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
-William Pitt
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That's true Snoopi, but it was real close one night(a war earlier).
PC
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Originally posted by Gunthr:
Get serious Snoopi.
The Detroit Police Department could cross over the Ambassador Bridge in Windsor and take over your country in 2 days.
And relieve you of your cash at the same time.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
they would just get confused with the english/french road signs....lol (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
A thought....
If guerilla warfare was so simple to defend against..Vietnam, Afganistan (for russia) would have turned out differently.
Canada is the 2nd largest country in the world. Anyone trying to take it over would have a hard time.
It would be impossible to control such a large area.
The border is so large that we could cross it in small groups and launch attacks without large difficulty.
It would drag on forever and no one would really win.
Besides all you would get is $10 U.S.D. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by Snoopi (edited 11-01-2000).]
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Originally posted by RAM:
Technically, we have already done it...if you take the Moon as a planet (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
Solar system colonization will happen not far in the future, regardless of the political situation on the earth. Beyond that, in the thought of colonization of other solar systems...I agree, it is far in the future, and unfeasible without a united Earth government.
And I agree again, that human race is far from being mature to do this possible now. But someday....
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 10-31-2000).]
Sorry..I meant a planet we could live on without being stuck in "tin cans" because it was too cold..too hot...gravity too high...atmospheric pressure would squish you like a bug.
It is one thing for 100 people to live on Mars. It is quite another thing to make a true self-sustaining colony of any real size.
this solar system yes....
If we can ever modify the Mars environment. (we can't even manage ours)
Outside it.....I don't think so....
even if everyone tried together.
Modern man is now naive enough to think anything is possible.
It current rate..by 2010 half of the current species alive on earth will be dead.
The human population is killing the planet.
(and eventually ourselves along with it)
Most people don't care or are in denial of that fact.
Selfish human nature won't let us change our habits even though we know most of what we have to do. The only other hope is a population drop..by choice..or by "natural causes".
With gene advances bringing the possiblity of
immortality (if you can pay for it), things are that much more scary. Do we not have children anymore ? Do we select who gets to die ?
This old rock has only so much space.
The hope/belief that we can move outside the solar system and find a REAL inhabitable planet is fostered by the same type of hope that a God will come and save us.
If anything the so called "Apocalypse" will be a massive die off of the world population.
The world would in fact be like a "paradise" if the population was under 1 million.
Small groups living separate lives without needing to get along or worry about the environment.
Then again RAM..
I may be, and hope I am, wrong.
Regards,
Snoopi
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Heh, what the Americans missed during the commie hunt era was a BLINDING reference to a communist future state. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Take Star Trek. "Uhm, we have no money,we just do our thing". "Yah we, like, explore and stuff, and everyone owns everything, sort of"
Yah RIGHT (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif). Won't happen. Simple group dynamics prevent it from happening.
Yoou can even take a very homogenous society and then look for sub groups.
And RAM, Christians are still killing in the name of their religion - take a look at the sectarian violence in Indonesia (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Hell, if we can't even unite behoind an abstract concept like a god thingie, how are we gonna unite behind something that actually has an impact on our daily lives?
Gunthr, LOL. Sure, I'll be in hell. But Satan's my bud, and I am getting a condo at the Lake Of Lava for my contributions to his cause (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
And, he is the victim of vicious slander from the GOP (GOd Party). In reality, God is mean, and Satan a the good guy. Tough, but unfair.
Nosiree, the essentials of group dynamics and human interaction are the same as they've always been. We'll always manage to create an "us vs them" scenario, even within our own ranks.
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9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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Yeah, not a hope in hell right now. Too much 'diversity' with one set of peoples considering themselves better than another set of peoples. Nationalism is still viewed as a necessary thing, but like city-states and kingdoms, nations will probably pass on into history, sooner or later. While genetic diversity may help in our evolution, social commonality will aid us in allowing us to evolve.
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Originally posted by Gunthr:
One thing we are all overlooking is that the bible predicts that when we have ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT is when the ANTI-CHRIST will rize up, and show the mark of the beast, 666.
Another sign that will be a harbinger that the end is near, is that all the missing socks in the whole world will be found in one place. When that happens, you had better drop to your knees and start praying.
The Four Horseman of the Apocolypse will arrive and that will be the end of the world.
I'm sure the devil is heating up a special frying pan for liberals like Igloo and atheists like StSanta. I can hear them sizzeling right now! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Of course, all those who are conservative will sit at the right hand of God.
<S> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Gunthr
Gunthr, if there really is a god like this, then, StSanta, I'm with you. Highway to Hell, it is (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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I'm sure it would take many, many years for everything to fall into place. There would not be lack of diversity anymore than there is now. Each country could still retain its culture, or have it's cultural slant on things. The USA and Canada would become states of a United Earth, each electing its representitve to sit equally amongst the other representitves from every other nation-state.
Btw, there is no McDonalds at the Giza Pyramids. There is a KFC though!
(http://www.trueorigins.net/egypt/Trip/sphinx1.jpg)
(http://www.trueorigins.net/egypt/Trip/me.jpg)
Gunthr, The Bible also says Eve was made from Adam's rib, and the Noah really gathered every living thing and put it on his ark for exactly 40 days and 40 nights. I don't think everything in The Bible is meant to be taken literally. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Igloo (edited 11-01-2000).]
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<S> Snoopi,
Just kidding, I love Canada. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I also admire the Snowbirds aerobatic team, the beer, the countryside, the hunting and fishing, the friendly people, the theatre and restaurants in the city of Toronto, and the native indians you find near the bush, and so much more...
It would be a crime to have that assimilated into a new one-world-government culture. But I don't think we have to worry about it ...
<S> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Gunthr
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A recent scientific report said that the first woman was separated from the first man by 40,000 years.
That's quite some contraceptive. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
The bible is a collection of short stories with a central theme. Kinda like a sci-fi anthology. Why should I believe ideas about the universe developed by people who didn't know how rain is created or why the sun sets and rises each day?
Well that's how I see it.
As for colonising the solar system - nice idea. Makes a good sci-fi story (Kim Stanley Robinson's 'Red Mars'). But where are the resources going to come from to do this great deed. No one country could afford to do it. And besides, perhaps we ought to sort out the myriad of problems on this planet before we leave?
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<S> Roger that Igloo (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I don't take everything in the bible literally either.
I must say though, that human nature will not allow one world government. Think about it. It would entail the present government leaders giving up their power and ability to act unilaterally. We will never see that happen.
But I do hold out the fervent hope that one day soon, you will ease the tensions that struggle within you, and come out, come out, and unfold the conservative wings that are now wrapped about you like a chrysilis.
We are waiting for you....
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Gunthr
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I wouldn't mind the US and Canada merging. As long as Igloo doesn't get to vote.
(just kidding)
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Igloo, I have to admit that I have envisioned an environment in which one world government could arise. Let me explain, and please be patient:
When I was a teenager, I struggled with the concept of "existence" and my place in it. And I struggled with the concept of GOD. I yearned to fully believe in God, yet I firmly believed in science and the entire body of empirical knowledge that had been achieved by scientific methods.
At the time, I found that science and religeon were like oil and water, not mixing very well, and somewhat at odds with each other.
I thought, well what if "God" is actually a
telepathic alien? Or an alien race of telepaths? Maybe this alien(s)
was lonely in the empty universe, and decided to create beings (us) that could eventually become like him/she/it, and eventually be able to commune via telepathy?
How would the alien "gods" steer the evolution of these fledgling beings towards telepathy?
Answer:
By introducing the concept of "GOD" and "Prayer" (a common feature of all religions)
Those who prayed the most efficiently, ie, projected their thoughts the best, and recieved "the word of God" the best, were favored with "answered prayers" or "divine guidence" and presumably would prosper more than other individuals who had less telepathic ability, and would therefore be more likely to pass on their genetic matierial.
Finally, the people of earth would become telepaths, able to commune with the alien "GODS".
Imagine what it would be like! No hate. No fear. No distrust. And yes,...........
One World Government.
NO THANKS!
Just the dreamings of a kid.... I never actually believed this stuff.
I now believe that God is not understandable by man, but God can be experienced by man.
<S>
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I now believe that God is not understandable by man, but God can be experienced by man.
Good words, Gunthr (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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it is amusing that we are so primitive as to have divisions like countries anyway. it's like 2 people on a little rock in the middle of the ocean and each drawing a line: "this is mine! you stay away!" each scrapping for the best little crevice or whatever...just ridiculous. maybe one side has shelter and the other has better fishing access. if the island was modeled on our real world, then one side would starve and the other would die of exposure! imagine if you came along in a boat and saw the people on the rock acting so stupid - one side starving and the other sitting there roasting in the sun.....because of an imaginary line. they have limited space and resources, why didnt they just work together? no there is too much ignorance , nationalism and religious intolerance for us to pull it off now but at least the talks have started....
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NO thanks. one world government , means one world leader. Can you imagine clinton as the king of the world. Christ.
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Ok MrFish, clear the decks. At your expense we are shipping 4 Somalian families to your home in San Fransisco, California so that they may partake in some of your wealth. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Keep an eye on 'em though, I've heard that they try to light cooking fires on the floors. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Gunthr
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who me? Not In My Backyard!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
point taken Gunthr - if there was a resolution tomorrow that said: "there will be no more locks on doors and no more inconvenient keys and bars etc - we are all just going to agree not to steal from each other - agreed?" most people would say - hell yeah! i may not get what that guy has but i dont have to worry about my things anymore so it is entirely logical - if everyone agreed to be respectful of one another and not kill each other we would enjoy the same happy world - pie in the sky dreamin'? you bet man - would never happen and we all know that - sad part is just that though - that we cant simply say"ok no more crime ahhhh see how easy that was?" really the only thing preventing this utopia are our limited little heads. you and 40 gazillion other people would agree but there will always be one that says - ah everyone's doors are unlocked - time to steal! or "i dont like that guy 'booom!'"and ruins it for us - same way with countries - some people are clinging to their power and the testosterone rush they get from being 'el presidente mucho cohones' and will never see the long term benefit in cooperation - in the mean time i better make room for those pesky anarchist somali's sigghhhh....<logic reversing bastard!> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Well, who knows MrFish..... John Lennon suggested that we imagine the same thing. Who am I to throw a wet towel on it?
<Salute> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Gunthr
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Originally posted by Gunthr:
<S> Snoopi,
Just kidding, I love Canada. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I also admire the Snowbirds aerobatic team, the beer, the countryside, the hunting and fishing, the friendly people, the theatre and restaurants in the city of Toronto, and the native indians you find near the bush, and so much more...
It would be a crime to have that assimilated into a new one-world-government culture. But I don't think we have to worry about it ...
<S> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Gunthr
No Problem Gunthr !
I new you were kidding.
So was I.
But it brought to mind thoughts about whether any large military force could take over a very large area. That army would be spread ou t too much. Even with modern forces.
In regards to assimilation...
Ughh ! I agree !
We all talk the same, look the same, eat white bread and bland food for the masses.
We all fly Uber <blank> planes in AH.
Nice thought.......Yuck :P
I prefer a world of different people respecting and LOVING other peoples' differences.
IMO:
One government does not have to mean One culture.
Canada has some of the basics of that idea.
A problem is when you get favoritism for a specific group. (perceived or real)
Isolation from other groups is a bad thing too.
These are two of the reasons why the French/English issue has been a problem in Canada.
For the most part multiculturalism is working
in Canada. (just ask my MANY immigrant friends)
From a political standpoint, I don't think there is a system that would work for everyone yet.
The "haves" would resent the "havenots" getting a piece of the "pie".
Just ask about the issue of Canada exporting it's fresh water to other countries.
The response would be similar to:
"They polluted their water..why the hell
should we give any of our water too them ?"
I still say part of the trick would be, to have a HUGE drop in the world population so that there is enough resources to make everyone happy. (with a bonus of less pollution too)
Regards,
Snoopi
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The Canadian country side? What the... We have a "country side"?
I don't think God and science are like oil and water at all. Religion and science, that is different, it is political. But God and science are one and the same. The laws of science are manifestations of the Divine Energy otherwise known as God. My view on it anyways. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I think that slowly people from all religious establishments will come to realise this and be able to put their personal views on an agreed belief aside and unite as one. Not right now, maybe not in 10 years, but it definately does not happen by waiting. Remember Gandhi's words, "You must be the change you wish to see in the world". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Funked, Canada and the US could never merge as one nation. We have very, very different cultures and way of dealing with things. There may be americans that share that view, but I don't know one Canadian that would ever want to merge. We're just as proud to be Canadian as you are to be American, we just don't shout it out and impose our patriotism on other cultures.
We're very different. And besides, that would mean you guys would loose the NFL to the CFL. Geez, no wonder you want to merge!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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C/O RCAF 411 Squadron - County of York (http://www.trueorigins.net/411rcaf)
"Problems cannot be solved with the same awareness that created them" - Albert Einstein[/i]
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really against this. Don't like the idea of some other country that has a differant way of thinking telling us that part of our freedoms are unacceptable. For certain countries, they are considered subjects, not citizens, and have not rights unless they goverment or Soviern thinks they should have it or taken away.
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Um, Snoopi, I wouldn't worry about us killing the planet. We might be able to kill ourselves off, but the planet will survive that, it's already been through worse in the past, and will probably go through worse after we're gone.
We overestimate our own abilities if we think that we can do much to an ecosystem that covers an entire planet, IMO.
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Rickenbacker (Ricken)
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the Independent Swedish Air Force
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Make me king for a week and I'd solve all our problems. Of course if you don't live in Tx. you'll be in trouble.
what's the half life of plutonium anyway?
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Udie
j/k (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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A world government does not mean imposed beliefs on your current culture.
It would be a senate of world leaders working coopertivly to solve world issues. Much like the U.N. but on a much larger scale because it would be made up of the actual leaders.
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Squadron Leader, Igloo.
C/O RCAF 411 Squadron - County of York (http://www.trueorigins.net/411rcaf)
"Problems cannot be solved with the same awareness that created them" - Albert Einstein[/i]
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Igloo,
What appeals to you in this idea?
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Originally posted by Rickenbacker:
Um, Snoopi, I wouldn't worry about us killing the planet. We might be able to kill ourselves off, but the planet will survive that, it's already been through worse in the past, and will probably go through worse after we're gone.
We overestimate our own abilities if we think that we can do much to an ecosystem that covers an entire planet, IMO.
We CAN kill off many of the current species and change the environment in the short (couple million years) term.
The truth is, if we do enough damage to the planet, WE will die off. Then some other lifeform will, though evolution, be "king".
And they will dig up our bones and wonder what we where and what killed us off.
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Mietla, the unity.
Snoopi, lotsa conservatives here, are you sure you want to get into the evolution thing? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Thats another reason not to vote for Bush. He believes that "the jury is still out" on evolution.. I mean...gimme a break.
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Originally posted by Igloo:
Mietla, the unity.
A unity of what? Just because you say, "we are all the same, we are united" does not make it so. People are different and that why we have nations to begin with. The armies are maintained to protect this uniqueness among the nations.
The people (and the nations) will not change to conform to a single model. You'd have to make them by using force, and then they have to be kept in check by a murderous totalitarian regime.
Any descent would have to be eradicated as "overthrowing the government".
As we all know, it has already been tried on a smaller scale.
I find this idea to be abhorring in principle, not to mentions a terrifying implementation.
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Who would be asking anyone to conform?
Each "nation" would have a representive elected. That representive would meet with the representives of other "nations" and the whole would make decisions. There would not be one leader, that would be dangerous, there would be an assembly of leaders.
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A single Government for the world ?? - just imagine the corporate entertainment suites that would go up for THAT election. Just think of the bribes flying round to support this coporations plans and bids for work etc. Give access to the likes of the oil companies and drug corporations to a single point of influence for decisions on the globe ???!!!! ARE YOU MAD IGLOO ???
We have already seen how individuals greed and hunger for power corrupt our governments - our only hope is to keep the governments small - Remember.....
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely..
Sparks
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If this is your vision of the united worlds, we alredy have that. A bunch of guys constantly talking nonsense at the UN, and luckily nothing get done.
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I havn't said I am for it 100%. I just tossed the idea out there for discussion.
One person would not be able to currupt it because it would be a senate of a good 200 leaders. Much like the ancient Greek system.
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Igloo
We have a government of over 700 so called elected "good leaders" and there isn't an unifluenced decision taken there. Tell you what - list down all the current cabinet members of the UK government and most influencial senators in the US senate and find out their external business connections. Then keep that list for 5-10 years and see where they all end up after they fall out of government.
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Originally posted by Igloo:
Who would be asking anyone to conform?
Each "nation" would have a representive elected. That representive would meet with the representives of other "nations" and the whole would make decisions. There would not be one leader, that would be dangerous, there would be an assembly of leaders.
Never work that way. We can't agree now with reps from the states. The only way a world gov would go is military controlled. There would be no democracy, though it would be sold to the masses as one in the beginning. Socialism on it's grandest scale. "New World Order", "United Nations" are terms which should send up warning flags. Any move towards unification, i.e. the Euro, is a move in the wrong direction predicted thousands of years ago. Read "The Book"!
Eagler
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At the risk of sounding cynical, why would we want to further globalize political corruption? Think of it, at least with Sovereign rule you have nice little localized pockets of graft and corruption. Each of those has inique regional nuances, pecking orders and well-established criminal mores. Should we embrace this World concept, undoubtably billions of dollars would need to be spent assessing and minimizing the adverse enviromental impact to the habitat of local corrupt politicians. We would have to insure that these unique aspects of local political corruption would not be lost to their respective socio-economic climes. Should certain species of corrupt politicians be unable to adapt in a globalized corrupt enviroment we would have to establish "preserves" or "criminal micro-climes" where their way of life would not be challenged and they could be studied in a controlled environment conducive to their prosperity.
Gentlemen we must guard this trend to think of ourselves as one human race each owing the other the benefits of a unified effort to achieve what is best for the whole. Only by building and buttressing existing barriers and prejudices can we insure the continuance of regional political systems as a means to pursue special interests and hidden agendas to the detriment of their respective mandates.
Save your local politician. Vote no on globilization of anything today!
Corwin
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Yeah, what Corwin said as he put it much better than I could (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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Read "The Book"!
Have done. But the ideas in the Bible an be traced in origin to civilisations around long before Moses and his friends.
Besides, the United Nations is about secular government. As such, should not necessarily modeled on ideas supposedly coined by people who didn't know why the sun appeared and disappeared, or why water bubbles when its heated up. Or why water dropped from the sky.
Only by building and buttressing existing barriers and prejudices...
Corwin, that's a very scary thing to hear on this bulletin board; it seriously smacks of racism and zenophobia, and is an argument often used by far-right groups.
What are your views on Apartheid?
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Originally posted by Igloo:
Mietla, the unity.
Snoopi, lotsa conservatives here, are you sure you want to get into the evolution thing? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Thats another reason not to vote for Bush. He believes that "the jury is still out" on evolution.. I mean...gimme a break.
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Just Another piece of proof that candidates will say anything, and try to sit on the fence while doing it.
He was obviously trying to not offend any possible voters.
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Dowding give me a break, "...smacks of racism and xenophbia...". I think you careless in your assumptions and take umbrage at your willingness to dispense inflammatory verbage capriciously. Perhaps you tend to be more apt at what you seek to decry?
Ever heard of sarcasm and irony? Do you perhaps find this particular forum, i.e a BB attached to a GAME to be an improper medium for something less than gravely grinding exchanges over pithy issues?
Geez man, lighten up!
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I was very, very tired when I read your post (and I only scanned through it). Apologies.
Besides, I seem to always look for inflammatory statements - its the only thing that keeps me coming back to this BB. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Do you perhaps find this particular forum, i.e a BB attached to a GAME to be an improper medium for something less than gravely grinding exchanges over pithy issues?
Not at all and I don't see why you should draw such a conclusion. But if I am seriously discussing an issue and am in a certain frame of mind, and see a comment such of yours then perhaps you can see the thinking behind my response?
I re-read your post and can see the real intentions behind it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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