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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Krusty on June 22, 2006, 07:12:01 PM
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Forget the sea-hurricane. they were limited, and fell to the wayside after the seafire came into being. What we need is something from before the seafire. Something to represent the early war. Sea Hurri doesn't do that well. Fear not, hurri fans!! This plane has 8x303 guns as well!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/858_1151020598_fulmar.jpg)
FAIREY FULMAR.
Directly developed from the P.4/34 light bomber of 1937 through the addition of folding wings, a catapult spool and arrestor hook, amongst other additions, the Fulmar gave the Royal Navy its first eight-gun fighter when it entered service in may 1940. Thrust into action within months protecting Malta convoys from the deck of the HMS Illustrious, the fighter provided sterling service with 11 Fleet Air Arm squadrons, particularly against Italian and German opponents in the Mediterranean in 1941-42. Aside from its use in this theatre, the Fulmar also saw action off Norway and Ceylon, and completed its frontline service as a nightfighter protecting Russian convoys in 1944-45. The last Fulmar (a tropicalized Mk II, fitted with a Merlin 30 engine) was delivered in February 1943, and by this stage of the war, most Fleet Air Arm fighter units had replaced the Fairey fighter with Seafires or Corsair Is. Aside from its frontline role, the Fulmar also proved ideally suited to deck landing training, as its vice-free handling qualities and slow stalling speed made it easy to operate 'around the boat'.
Dimensions: Length: 40ft 3in. Wingspan: 46ft 4.5in. Height: 10ft 8in.
Weights: Empty: 6915lb. Max T/O: 9800lb.
Armament: 8x .303 MG in wings, optional .303 in rear cockpi, 2x 250lb bombs under wings.
Performance: Max speed: 256mph. Range 830mi. Engine: RR Merlin VIII, 1080hp.
Production: 600
I thought of this because the Sea Hurri was mostly a lash-up of the Mk1 engine with 4x20mm. Sorry Schatzi, the 8x303 weaponry wasn't very common for the Sea hurri, :) and there doesn't seem to have been many -if any- IIB's with 12x303s. So we'd just have another version of what we already have -- the Hurr Mk1 -- but with 4x20mm. To me that's boring.
This is an early war aircraft specifically designed and built for the Royal Navy (as opposed to the majority of all sea hurricanes being conversions from existing RAF planes). It's early war, but served on. It has a large wing, a long range, and a "slow stall speed" -- which hints that it could turn pretty tightly.
Specs above and quote taken from Jane's.
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Im the hurrimki man! Not schatzi! I stole that title from her in the DA! =)
Cool Find Krusty, I think this looks like a pretty cool ship...I'd definately fly her
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same book notes that for the Sea Hurri, 800 were converted from RAF hurricanes. 600 and 800, pretty close. There were almost as many of these as there were sea hurricanes. That's pretty good.
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lol
:noid :noid :noid :noid :O
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i read somewhere that the fulmar carried something like double the ammo load of the hurricane too.
also, so we have something useable in the MA, we could get the Firefly at the same time :D
(http://www.accesswave.ca/~hotwings/fflanding.jpg)
(http://www.hms-vengeance.co.uk/images2/firefly1.jpg)
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Guys you realise your talking about a non american aircraft so we got no hope in hell.
id love to fly it and bring a swordfish too,as long as they sort out the 5 inch gun bs
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Originally posted by rogerdee
Guys you realise your talking about a non american aircraft so we got no hope in hell.
id love to fly it and bring a swordfish too,as long as they sort out the 5 inch gun bs
someone get the crying englishwoman a handkerchief lol:noid :aok :aok
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Originally posted by cav58d
Im the hurrimki man! Not schatzi! I stole that title from her in the DA! =)
Cool Find Krusty, I think this looks like a pretty cool ship...I'd definately fly her
:cry
I demand satisfaction *sniff* *hickup*
:lol
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Furbs: You're just saying that for the 4x20mm right? :P Nobody will fly it without cannon, I agree. But maybe the SB2C, with only 2x20mm? It's also american (which means it has a chance in Hades)!
Schatzi: to use a very over-used and cliched slang term.... "You go, girl!" Get that title back! :lol
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The Fulmar was a dog by most accounts, but the Firefly would be a fairly useful arena plane. Its extremely effective flaps gave it a really tight turning circle. It could even outturn a Zero. Performance for a Mk I would be pretty much like a Hurri IIc; same guns, similar speed, 2K of bombs or 16 rockets, slightly worse climb but a better turning circle and zoom performance.
Can't see it ever happening either, the Helldiver would be a much more likely bet.
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Originally posted by Debonair
someone get the crying englishwoman a handkerchief lol:noid :aok :aok
HA!
I'd still take the Sea Hurri.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Furbs: You're just saying that for the 4x20mm right? :P Nobody will fly it without cannon, I agree. But maybe the SB2C, with only 2x20mm? It's also american (which means it has a chance in Hades)!
Nope... the Firefly was a very very good aircraft. Was very good ground attack, could carry 16 rockets or 2 x 1k bombs, big performance leap over the Fulmar and it has possibly the coolest flaps ever developed, Fairey-Youngman flaps. they could be retracted into fuselage, lowered for cruise, put full down, and extend as dive brakes (similar to Fowler Flaps - hard to describe without pictures!) IIRC it used a Griffon engine and was still in use during the Korean conflict.
http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/aircraft/Firefly.htm
(http://www.stockportexpress.co.uk/ContentResources/682.$plit/C_58_ImageGallery_5089_Image.jpg)
(http://www.accesswave.ca/~hotwings/fflanding.jpg)
(http://avions.legendaires.free.fr/Images/Gfirefly.jpg)
Flaps in dive position (on a Fairey Barracuda)
(http://www.theplanpage.com/esp/baracuda_files/image006.jpg)
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Griffon engine? Bah that's late-war! That would go along with my request, not replace my request. I was thinking of something for the early years, to round out the planeset a bit more.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Griffon engine? Bah that's late-war! That would go along with my request, not replace my request. I was thinking of something for the early years, to round out the planeset a bit more.
Originally posted by Furball
i read somewhere that the fulmar carried something like double the ammo load of the hurricane too.
also, so we have something useable in the MA, we could get the Firefly at the same time :D
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Ah, missed that part! :aok