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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: bagrat on June 27, 2006, 11:25:56 PM
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why not?
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Why? There is no function, no need, that this would serve. It would have a limited flight envelope in which you could do it, and further even if the canopy is OPEN it doesn't mean your head can move any further than it already does.
I see folks just cheating, opening canopies in slow turn fights so they don't have to look around canopy frames.
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but....we have a sun.. and it moves
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to make bailing out more difficult. You have to open the canopy to bail out. Just my 2 cents.
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stickin ur head out the cockpit could help when landing on carriers, thats the only thing i see it helping.
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Originally posted by bkbandit
stickin ur head out the cockpit could help when landing on carriers, thats the only thing i see it helping.
Ever stuck your head out the window at 120mph?
The reasons the cockpit was open when landing on carriers was so the pilot could get out ASAP in case he ditched into the ocean on a bad landing or if his plane was heavily damaged and needed to get out when he touched down.
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Would be nice to have the option when your windshield is covered with oil to be able to open the canopy.
Side slipping the airplane with the canopy open would make being low and slow (like landing approach) a little less..... interesting.
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Originally posted by badhorse
Would be nice to have the option when your windshield is covered with oil to be able to open the canopy.
" And get oil in your face, permanently blinding you, mucking up your eyes and suffocating you"
There, you forgot to finish that statement.
Just because the oil is stationary on your windscreen doesn't mean it has stopped flowing. The oil keeps flowing out of its leaks.
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but damnit! WW1 planes had open cockpits!
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
but damnit! WW1 planes had open cockpits!
And were lubricated with castor oil....and leaked like a sieve.
That's why they wore scarfs...to clean off their goggles,
I believe the only benefit was that pilots never needed bran flakes.
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Originally posted by Krusty
" And get oil in your face, permanently blinding you, mucking up your eyes and suffocating you"
There, you forgot to finish that statement.
Just because the oil is stationary on your windscreen doesn't mean it has stopped flowing. The oil keeps flowing out of its leaks.
Krusty remember you would be in a side slip. The oil would still be coming out true, but it would be sliding away from you. In a slip you are at an angle, not straight into the wind. That is why a slip is so effective in losing altitude. You are presenting more of the side of the airplane to the wind. (which one depends on rudder direction)
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Krusty remember you would be in a side slip. The oil would still be coming out true, but it would be sliding away from you. In a slip you are at an angle, not straight into the wind. That is why a slip is so effective in losing altitude. You are presenting more of the side of the airplane to the wind. (which one depends on rudder direction)
ooh PWND!
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ya i thin it would look cool like for pictures and stuff but also the reason why they opened the canopy was becasuse it was so hot when the were on the ground and they liked the breeze i guess. but yes id like to have an oppening and closing canopy.
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they had it open more often then people think, some of u saw that recent P-47 film that was all cool an stuff, anyway there was a clip where a pilot was strafing somethin and his canopy was open.
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Russian cockpit windows yellowed under UV hence with the exception of the armoured fore glass the world took on a yellow tint.
VVS mainly flew with cockpits open only closing them on site of enemy.
and yes they could see more by sticking their head even a few mm further out before the air flow would make it impossible.
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Yeah, canopies were opened, sometimes...
"I pulled up alongside Blakeslee. His canopy was wide open, his goggles were on, and at times he peered out from behind his windscreen, which was completely covered by black oil. The whole fuselage was streaked with oil. The big white letters WD-C on the side of his plane were practically obliterated."
Of Col. Don Blakeslee on pg 68, "Tumult in the Clouds" by James Goodson.
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"A few good bursts and the Junkers was on fire. That had not been difficult; my problem now was my lack of speed in getting out of there. I was a fair target and the rear gunner let me have it. My windscreen was suddenly completely covered with oil as I broke down and away from the Junkers toward the sea. I didn't go too low because I could see nothing except through the side. I pulled away, then up to 1500 feet, prepared to bale out if necessary. But my oil pressure needle never moved. Through the side perspex, I saw the Junkers 88 pilot moving smartly to put the burning aircraft down on the water, his quick action the only hope for his crew.
Still my oil pressure and temperature remained constant! It appeared that I had sufficient oil to continue flying, and that I was not suffering any further loss.
A Spitfire is small, and the cockpit is snug. I found that by slowing down, loosening the harness, opening the canopy, and carefully reaching around with my left glove tight to the curve of the perspex to prevent the slipstream from pulling my arm rearward, I was able to wipe the oil off the windscreen, and obtain moderately good vision ahead."
http://www.constable.ca/kennedy.htm (http://www.constable.ca/kennedy.htm)
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"I concentrated on the rest of the 100-mile flight over the cold North Atlantic, watching the instruments carefully and listening for the first change in the sound of the engine. The canopy around the cockpit was now almost completely covered with oil, so I opened the hatch and reached my left hand into the wind stream to wipe away some of the oil. I succeeded only in smearing the oil around and almost broke my arm from the force of the wind. The open hatch gave me some increased visibility, but the cold air made me shiver.
The Ranger, alerted to the approach of returning planes, had started turning into the wind when I spotted the task force from about 15 miles out. Breaking away from the other planes, I headed straight for the Ranger. I dropped the wheels and tail hook and opened the flaps. Red lights appeared on the instrument panel indicating that my oil pressure was about gone, but the hydraulic system seemed to be functioning.
My first pass over the Carrier was almost crosswise to the flight deck because the ship was heeled over from its turn toward the wind. Looking out the side of the cockpit, I spotted the signal officer giving me an emphatic wave-off.
"Hell, I know I'll never make it around again!" I just barely missed a destroyer as I wrapped the plane into a tight turn and started back toward the carrier. There was no possibility of following the signal officer's hand directions through the oil-covered canopy. However, I had some visibility out the right side of the cockpit, so I placed the island of the ship about where I thought it should be to line up with the flight deck. I chopped the throttle, pulled the stick into my lap to stall the plane, and hoped for the best.
Luckily, my tail hook caught a wire just as I hit the barrier. My right wing also hit the ship's island. As the plane crashed, I released my safety harness and jumped out onto the wing."
http://www.airgroup4.com/book/indx/index1.htm (http://www.airgroup4.com/book/indx/index1.htm)
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"One cold November day in 1941, we took off for an exercise. I was on the floor watching the runway rush by under my feet. 500 feet off the end of the runway a glycol coolant line ruptured, spraying glycol over the pilot’s windscreen. Unable to see, he put on his goggles, pushed back the canopy and stuck his head out as he started his turn back to the airport. His goggles immediately covered with glycol. He pulled off his goggles and got the full force of the hot fluid on his eyes rendering him blind.
By this time we were letting down, wheels up, approaching the runway at a ninety-degree angle. Huge drifts of snow paralleled each runway. The Battle hit the first drift belly first ploughing snow up through the hole and forcing me up beside the other Gunner. The aircraft jumped the runway, hit the opposite snow bank forcing in more snow and almost pushing us both out of the cockpit. The aircraft slid to a stop in a nose down, tail up attitude. When the emergency crews arrived we must have been a humorous sight. Two Gunners perched on top of a snow filled cockpit, and the pilot, completely blind, staggering around in the snow,
The Pilot spent a week in hospital but returned to the flight line. He was known as the man with the well-oiled eyeballs. It was the cushion of snow in the gunner’s cockpit that saved us from injury."
http://www.airmuseum.ca/mag/ (http://www.airmuseum.ca/mag/)
All the best
Cement