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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: weaselsan on June 29, 2006, 02:31:04 PM
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that's how much money Buffet and Gates are going to give away to various charities. Sixty two (62) billion dollars. Or 62,000 million dollars. Equal to 1/5 of the deficit. "The rich don't pay their fair share" (Liberalese for where's my freebes). But the most telling thing is who they won't give it to. The Government
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I'd rather have em put the cash in a pile and burn it, than give it to the government. At least that way it has a use. It would keep you warm for a while.
Give it to the gov and it would all go poof.
Bronk
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I think the point is that even the most liberal will not willingly give to the government...
They chide us for not giving enough in taxes that we feel will be wasted but they don't give to the government.... they have the gall to think that they know who needs the money more than the government does.
we are too dumb to decide but they are smart enough to know better than the government? How does that work?
lazs
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They made money, the government is under an extreme amount of debt. Hmm,..I think the guys who made money probably do have a better idea of what to do with it than the government does. How much do we give every year and they still cannot figure out how to balance the budget, much less pay any debt down?
It's thier money. They can do whatever they want with it. I am glad they are smart enough not to give it to the government. They might as well hand it to a bunch of thieving pedophiles as give it to the government. Not much difference in my book.
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Originally posted by weaselsan
that's how much money Buffet and Gates are going to give away to various charities. Sixty two (62) billion dollars. Or 62,000 million dollars. Equal to 1/5 of the deficit.
Yeah, but that is the budget deficit THIS YEAR. 62 Billion dollars is only 0.7% of the national debt.
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
Yeah, but that is the budget deficit THIS YEAR. 62 Billion dollars is only 0.7% of the national debt.
Even more reason not to hand it to the government. Have you ever heard a politician refer to a "tax expenditure" a tax expenditure is money they allow you to keep by not taking it from you by taxation. In other words they are saying that technically all monies are the governments. Any money that they allow you to keep is a tax expenditure. How many times have you heard a liberal politician say "Who is going to pay for a tax cut"?
What's even more telling is how the government "Cuts Spending". They "Cut Spending" by passing a 2 Trillion dollar budget, And then only spend 1 trillion 999 billion. Of course then you will have your typical whine "The administration has cut the budget and spent less for impoverished near sighted eskimos (and their families). That would be great, You can drive home in your new BMW and tell the wife, you actually cut the family transportation budget, you where going to buy a McClarren.
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I think they shoulda donate a billion to HTC...then, and only then is there any chance of actually seeing CT by xmas 06 =)
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Yeah and maybe HT would even allow my Dad's B-25 into the game!
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I gather the discussion started with philanthropy and has morphed into taxation.
For what government services, if any, would you gladly exchange tax dollars?
hap
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very cool toad
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Originally posted by Hap
I gather the discussion started with philanthropy and has morphed into taxation.
For what government services, if any, would you gladly exchange tax dollars?
hap
The relocation of most of congress out of the country comes to mind........
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Originally posted by Hap
I gather the discussion started with philanthropy and has morphed into taxation.
For what government services, if any, would you gladly exchange tax dollars?
hap
We'll start with the Federal Department of Education that educates no one. Can we make a game of this? We can balance the budget in no time. And then begin massive tax cuts.
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actually i asked the question quite seriously . . . what would/will you pay the gov't to do for you??? there's at least 1 answer upon which we should all agree eaisly.
and without admitting that (and others will follow), we prate.
hap
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Originally posted by Hap
actually i asked the question quite seriously . . . what would/will you pay the gov't to do for you??? there's at least 1 answer upon which we should all agree eaisly.
and without admitting that (and others will follow), we prate.
hap
You asked the question "What government services would I exchange for tax dollars, if any?" I answered the question with "The Department of Education" That is just for openers, there's lots more where that came from.
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Probrably could do without the NSA.
Lets see what else?.
foreign aid programs.
Dept of Education.
Most of the welfare programs.
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Don't be so hard on the gubernent boys, them votes are expensive.
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Originally posted by weaselsan
that's how much money Buffet and Gates are going to give away to various charities. Sixty two (62) billion dollars. Or 62,000 million dollars. Equal to 1/5 of the deficit. "The rich don't pay their fair share" (Liberalese for where's my freebes). But the most telling thing is who they won't give it to. The Government
Kinda puts Ted Turner in his place for calling Gates out for not throwing away a $1B on the UN. Oops.
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You cannot balance the budget by cutting discretionary spending.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
You cannot balance the budget by cutting discretionary spending.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Just have to broaden your scope as to what is discretionary.
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Im sorry I just briskly read thru the post but correct me if Im wrong. Bill Gates is spending millions on model B25s because the government can't afford it because of theiving pedestrians?
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
You cannot balance the budget .
-- Todd/Leviathn
There, all fixed. :)
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"They made money, the government is under an extreme amount of debt. Hmm,..I think the guys who made money probably do have a better idea of what to do with it than the government does. How much do we give every year and they still cannot figure out how to balance the budget, much less pay any debt down?
It's thier money. They can do whatever they want with it. I am glad they are smart enough not to give it to the government. They might as well hand it to a bunch of thieving pedophiles as give it to the government. Not much difference in my book."
sorry my sarcasm didn't come through.... I believe exactly as you do on the subject skuzzy but... I figure it is good for everyone not just the liberal rich.
We all know better how to spend our money than the government does.
I just find it hypocritical that liberals who have tons of money give it to charities of their choosing rather than let the big government that they want for the rest of us have it. It's good enough for us but not for them.
Or maybe... they just want the attention?
lazs
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Originally posted by weaselsan
You asked the question "What government services would I exchange for tax dollars, if any?" I answered the question with "The Department of Education" That is just for openers, there's lots more where that came from.
Sorry weaselsan, I apologize. I misread your post, mistakenly thinking that you wanted to ditch the DOE.
hap
p.s. on discussions of taxation, I rarely hear what folks want their gov't to do and what they're happy to pay for. National Defense springs to mind as a no brainer.
hap
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I would like our government to be as non-intrusive as possible.
But the I think the numpties at Washington misunderstood that to mean, "I want our government to do as little as possible.".
It's not matter of being careful what you wish for. It is a matter of how what you wish for gets interpreted. And with our government, it will always get interpreted to whatever fits thier own personal interests.
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again skuzzy.. I would agree. What we got is the worst of both worlds... they are intrusive as they can possibly be while at the same time doing as little as possible to protect us from tyranny.
The only government services that I see as esential are the military and the funding of the 3 branches of government (wages).
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
doing as little as possible to protect us from tyranny
lazs
lazs, which tyrants in the USA have won the day over representative democracy?
hap
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We do not have a representative democracy. Unless your idea of a representative democracy is one where politicians do what they want to further thier own interests.
Just because we vote for some numpty, does not make him/her a representative of the ideals we the people have.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
We do not have a representative democracy. Unless your idea of a representative democracy is one where politicians do what they want to further thier own interests.
My idea of a representative democracy is one where the populace elects others to represent them.
Was the national election turnout in Nov in the high 30's? I suppose apathy amongst the citizenry to be as baleful as evil politicians. Though I can't prove it.
hap
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
You cannot balance the budget by cutting discretionary spending.
-- Todd/Leviathn
The department of education ain't discretionary, it's a black money devouring hole.
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Originally posted by Hap
Sorry weaselsan, I apologize. I misread your post, mistakenly thinking that you wanted to ditch the DOE.
hap
p.s. on discussions of taxation, I rarely hear what folks want their gov't to do and what they're happy to pay for. National Defense springs to mind as a no brainer.
hap
Originally posted by weazelsan
The department of education ain't discretionary, it's a black money devouring hole.
you did not misread his post. He does want to get rid of the DOE (and more). And so do I.
Your "What government services would I exchange for tax dollars, if any?" question is fundamentally ambiguous
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Originally posted by Hap
I gather the discussion started with philanthropy and has morphed into taxation.
For what government services, if any, would you gladly exchange tax dollars?
hap
I'll sort of blend my priorities of government with my government reform wishlist:
1. Military
2. Condensed policing/intelligence agencies (we've got CIA, FBI, ATF, NSA, ATF, Homeland security, US Marshalls, INS, Customs, did I miss any?)
3. Park service (yeah, I prefer trees over subdivisions and strip malls)
That's it :) Protect us from other countries, keep some wilderness to hike/hunt/camp in...
Leave each state to figure it's own agenda. I'm all for some states being liberal, some states being conservative...country is big enough for everyone :)
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Originally posted by kamilyun
Leave each state to figure it's own agenda. I'm all for some states being liberal, some states being conservative...country is big enough for everyone :)
Ohhh boy. Be ready to get burned at the stake for that one....
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in a representitive democracy you can still lose your freedoms.... in fact... it is a certainty... every new representitive will pass new and more restrictive laws based on what he thinks the people who elected him or.... the politicians in his party....want.
the only way it can work is to have a very strong bill of rights with a supreme court that routinely looks at every law that is passed to see if it is constitutional or not.
This is not happening. We have less freedom every year. We are more restricted from both the left and the right and we have very little say in it.
voting does very little as the representitive that we vote for rarely represents us more than he does himself, his party and his contributing special interest groups.
Government is growing when it should be shrinking. We are paying more taxes and living under more and more laws... government is more intrusive in our lives every day....
I would call that tyranny.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
Government is growing when it should be shrinking. We are paying more taxes and living under more and more laws... government is more intrusive in our lives every day....
I would call that tyranny.
lazs
Here's a definition of tyranny I buy:
tyranny
• noun (pl. tyrannies) 1 cruel and oppressive government or rule. 2 a state under such rule. 3 cruel and arbitrary exercise of power or control.
— DERIVATIVES tyrannous adjective.
There's a qualtative difference between our two claims. Maybe the representatives will sort it out?
hap
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Originally posted by Hap
...arbitrary exercise of power or control.
Well, they've got this much covered for sure. :D
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Actually Hap, that does sound like our government and what Lazs was saying. The taxation would fit #1, the laws would fit under #3, and #2 is where we live.
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If I had 30 bil to give away, I would give it to the NRA. That way they could buy off all the politicians they need to protect the 2nd ammendmant forever!
Maybe first I would drop a million or two at a strip club. :D
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Originally posted by Dago
Maybe first I would drop a million or two at a strip club. :D
Hey dumby, how about this option instead. Buy your OWN strip club!!!
:D
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Originally posted by Maverick
Hey dumby, how about this option instead. Buy your OWN strip club!!!
:D
Too many hassles and skanky women complaining. Better just to go, have fun and walk away.
Of course, if I had millions to blow, I could buy a club, hire a bunch of strippers, have one stage and just one seat, mine. No other customers allowed. :D
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Originally posted by Hap
Here's a definition of tyranny I buy:
tyranny
• noun (pl. tyrannies) 1 cruel and oppressive government or rule. 2 a state under such rule. 3 cruel and arbitrary exercise of power or control.
— DERIVATIVES tyrannous adjective.
There's a qualtative difference between our two claims. Maybe the representatives will sort it out?
hap
qualitative? I disagree. It's a matter of degree.
Once you allow an income tax (for example) in principle, it is just a matter of time and "representative's" will to decide how much it is. What is there to prevent them from declaring 100% tax on income. The entire GNP belongs to the government (they'll say " to us, the people" of course), and it is up to the government to decide who gets what.
It happened before.
Once we agree that the government "has a role" is our children education, it is just a matter of time until we have no say to what they are taught, and if we try to teach them at home, they'll take our kids away. For the good of children of course.
It happened before. As a matter of fact this is the first thing every self respecting totalitarian government does. First free and public, but compulsatory soon after.
Call me paranoid, but this is already happening here as well.
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Originally posted by nirvana
Ohhh boy. Be ready to get burned at the stake for that one....
LOL....The entire liberal philosophy is based on using the Federal courts to dictate their agenda. A good example would be "Homosexual Marriage". Use an extreme left wing court like Massachusetts to legalize the marriage, then use the Constitutions "Full faith clause" to force the 49 other states to recognize the marriages. By pass legislative law. What they seem to have forgotten is that the SCOTUS could easily swing right....Now the rabbits got the gun.
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yep... mietla and nirvana get it hap does not. I believe that hap, you think that democracy is the important thing here... socialism thrives in a democracy... socialism is tyranny. representitives are elected by socialists and done so democraticaly.
Only a strong bill of rights can protect us from tyranny.... Well... a strong bill of rights and a judicial branch willing to stick with it.
Tyranny=cruelty? Ok... so how "cruel" is making people pay for services that they oppose? How cruel is anexing their land to give to the socialists? Why should monies be extorted for us to support only state sponsored education for our children?
Taxes grow government.... They support worthless government programs that are at best.... a way to put more people on governments payroll in order to better keep track of everyone else. This is tyranny.
The methods of the IRS are tyranny... the methods of the EPA are tyranny... the FBI atf etc. all tyranny... all acting in a way that most would think was illegal but operating under special privilige that normal citizens do not have.
The only real thing to do about it is to grow a pair and never ever never vote for any new tax or any new law that restricts freedom in any way to anyone... no matter how good it sounds at the time...
being conned buy these so called "for our own good" laws and taxes does us no good... it only grows government.
How much government in your life is considered tyranny? I would venture to say that people from the '50s would say that we are allready there...
lazs
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why do they have so much money?...
Is it beciase Bill gAtes charges WAY too MUCh for Software?
I think thats a big part...I love windows stuff..works great for me...but its pricey
Same as the WASTE of MONEY all you Dolts spend on PRO ATHletes...Jerseys, HAts, ect ect....YA Support soem idiot playing basketball...with a 100 million contract....The USA is full of idiots..
I dont mind sports..but the money is atrocious....How about 5$ for a tickect $1 for a beer.. 50 cents for a hotdog..then pay those sports morons/owners 70K a year...
Everytime I see some one with Pro Sports Gear On...I think..what an idiot...Great thing to show kids...Great Priorities