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Title: In the meantime...
Post by: Oldman731 on June 30, 2006, 01:38:39 PM
We'll revisit Tunisia.  For those who haven't tried it, there are a lot of nice planes in this setup, on both sides.

- oldman


North Africa - Final Moves

Pressed between the veteran British Eighth Army on the
East, and the green but eager U.S. forces on the West,
the Afrika Korps fights the final delaying action.

Allied Forces (Bishops)

On Land:
 Boston
 C-47
 Hurri I, IIC, IID
 P38G
 P40E
 Spit5
 M3
 M8
 M16
 Ostwind
 Panzer IV

On Carriers:
 F4F
 Dauntless


Axis Forces (Knights)
Bf-109E
Bf-109F
Bf-110C
C. 202
FW-190A5
C-47
Ju-88
Stuka
M3
M8
M16
Ostwind
Panzer IV

Fog is set at 12.5 miles, the max
Fuel is 1.0 burn rate
Ack is .25
Friendly mid-airs are off.
Killshooter is off.
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: Eagler on June 30, 2006, 03:12:24 PM
thank you
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: Panzzer on June 30, 2006, 03:55:07 PM
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Originally posted by Eagler
thank you
Yep. Fun planes. :)
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: Kev367th on July 01, 2006, 04:07:04 PM
Yet another non-historical setup.

Where's the Spit IX?

By the time the Germans were fighting their delaying action around Mar 1943 the Spit IX would have easily been in theatre.

Tunisia 1943 - Wouldn't have been the 1941 Spit Vb, would have been late version Vc's (I know we no longer have it).
At least the Seafire IIc would have been a standin (less than perfect admitedly), due to it's universal wing.
I really think we need the old Vc back, leaving the current Vb in.

Of course the famous "Polish Fighting Team", or the 31st FG, or the 52FG never had Spit IX's Spring 1943. or perhaps you should check your planeset.

Or I would ask that you look at using the IX as a sub for the late Vc, low alt performance is very similar.

Hardly suprising the LW are saying "nice planes" - 1941 Spit Vb v 1943 FW190.
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: storch on July 01, 2006, 06:38:24 PM
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Yet another non-historical setup.

Where's the Spit IX?

By the time the Germans were fighting their delaying action around Mar 1943 the Spit IX would have easily been in theatre.

Tunisia 1943 - Wouldn't have been the 1941 Spit Vb, would have been late version Vc's (I know we no longer have it).
At least the Seafire IIc would have been a standin (less than perfect admitedly), due to it's universal wing.
I really think we need the old Vc back, leaving the current Vb in.

Of course the famous "Polish Fighting Team", or the 31st FG, or the 52FG never had Spit IX's Spring 1943. or perhaps you should check your planeset.

Or I would ask that you look at using the IX as a sub for the late Vc, low alt performance is very similar.

Hardly suprising the LW are saying "nice planes" - 1941 Spit Vb v 1943 FW190.
dude why are you greifing?  it's not like you play the arena or anything is it?  there is no FW190A1 or A3  frankly I wish there were they turned much better that the A5. besides the allieds have far more overmodelled woobiecanes.
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: Dead Man Flying on July 01, 2006, 09:26:55 PM
190A1 and 190A3 would be great additions.  Unfortunately, we're not looking at any new planes until after CT's release, but I hope those are high on the priority list after it goes live.

-- Todd/Leviathn
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: Reynolds on July 01, 2006, 09:30:53 PM
Hey, id like to see a fight over the Rhine if that can be done (I know we have the map) and, um, if only we could get more people to play...
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: Kev367th on July 01, 2006, 09:43:08 PM
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Originally posted by storch
dude why are you greifing?  it's not like you play the arena or anything is it?  there is no FW190A1 or A3  frankly I wish there were they turned much better that the A5. besides the allieds have far more overmodelled woobiecanes.


Well if pointing out an OBVIOUS flaw in the setup is 'griefing', then so be it.

If you actually take the time to check on the 3 units I mentioned (there were more), all three operated spit IX's in Tunisia the Spring of 1943.

Funny - With the obvious anti old Spit V hysteria there was, you can bet this setup would never have been run prior to the remodel.

Maybe this type of omission or deliberate exclusion of the IX (or in other cases XVI) is perhaps the reason more people don't and won't fly in AvA.

Run a realistic planeset, you might get more people in the AvA, and have less 'griefing'.
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: Reynolds on July 01, 2006, 10:39:05 PM
I sorta agree
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: Slash27 on July 01, 2006, 11:50:14 PM
There is no sand in Tunisia!!!!!!   whhaaaaaa!!!!!!!:cry
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: Reynolds on July 02, 2006, 12:08:19 AM
LOL!!! Hey, lets play somewhere with snow... a month from now though, so that i will actually be able to play it!
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: bcee on July 02, 2006, 09:25:23 AM
I thot the Vb held its own pretty well the other nite...in the hands of a more capable spit driver...(not I)...it would do awesome...M.O.O.

thankx  JG54 for the good fites friday nite.......
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: Oldman731 on July 03, 2006, 12:03:09 AM
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Originally posted by Reynolds
I sorta agree

After some debate, the staff has enabled the Seafire on C42.

Let's see what happens.

- oldman
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: TexMurphy on July 03, 2006, 01:52:09 AM
Kev

You really need to chill, be more polite and stop with the conspiracy attitude.

Instead if you would ask more politely the result would be much favorable to your cause. Its like when someone is eating candy and you want some of it, you dont insult him and then ask him to give you the candy do you?

So if you would have asked this way it might have gone better...

Could we please add  the Spit IX to this setup?

By the time the Germans were fighting their delaying action around Mar 1943 the Spit IX would have been in theatre.

In 1943 the 1941 Spit Vb would have been replaced by the Spit Vc, which we unfortuantly no longer have. The SpitVc could be substituted with the Seafire IIc. Or I would ask that you look at using the IX as a sub for the late Vc, low alt performance is very similar. We really need the Vc back.

As it is now I feel its a bit unballanced with 1941 Spit Vb v 1943 FW190 so could you pleasae add either the Seafire IIc or the SpitIX.

Thanks
Kev


Something like that would give a much better discussion with less flaming and more productive results.

Tex
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: Reynolds on July 03, 2006, 02:36:06 AM
yup
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: storch on July 03, 2006, 08:15:42 AM
actually the herd seems to perceive the axis rides as the more favorable ones now so most of JG54 "grunherz has been obligated to play in allied rides.  I spent the night in either the F4F, P38G (which I haven't quite gotten the hang of) or the mossie which flies remarkably like my beloved 110 but with far better guns.  The F4F-4 is very competetive the problem with it is it's only available from CVs (I'll cover that problem later in this post) the mossie is an absolute beast.  the only defense against the mossie is for the axis players to gang the tar out of it or do what platan0 does, namely gang with altitude.  I don't see the need for the seafire but if you added it, it shouldn't be a set disrupter provided you added the 109G2.  the 109F/spitV is a great match up.  the 109G2/seafire will be as well.  now to what I perceive to be a problem.  is there any way to make the carriers uncapturable?  there is a small squad that comes on specifically to vultch and capture stuff.  Due to their "efforts" by around 2200 last night the allieds were left with just one carrier, effectively removing a fun fighter from the setup, namely the F4F-4.  the squad in question will not play nicely with others which is fine but if the staff would see it's way clear to enable the F4F-4 at the bases as well then they could go on happily with their undefended captures and not really disrupt the game much, until they "win the war"
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: TexMurphy on July 03, 2006, 10:58:54 AM
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Originally posted by storch
actually the herd seems to perceive the axis rides as the more favorable ones now so most of JG54 "grunherz has been obligated to play in allied rides.  I spent the night in either the F4F, P38G (which I haven't quite gotten the hang of) or the mossie which flies remarkably like my beloved 110 but with far better guns.  

The F4F-4 is very competetive the problem with it is it's only available from CVs (I'll cover that problem later in this post) the mossie is an absolute beast.  the only defense against the mossie is for the axis players to gang the tar out of it or do what platan0 does, namely gang with altitude.  

I don't see the need for the seafire but if you added it, it shouldn't be a set disrupter provided you added the 109G2.  the 109F/spitV is a great match up.  the 109G2/seafire will be as well.  

now to what I perceive to be a problem.  is there any way to make the carriers uncapturable?  there is a small squad that comes on specifically to vultch and capture stuff.  Due to their "efforts" by around 2200 last night the allieds were left with just one carrier, effectively removing a fun fighter from the setup, namely the F4F-4.  

the squad in question will not play nicely with others which is fine but if the staff would see it's way clear to enable the F4F-4 at the bases as well then they could go on happily with their undefended captures and not really disrupt the game much, until they "win the war"


storch..

I know your used to oneliners.. but when you actually have something to say which is worth listening to.. please use paragraphs... ;)
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: Kev367th on July 03, 2006, 11:23:45 AM
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Originally posted by storch
actually the herd seems to perceive the axis rides as the more favorable ones now so most of JG54 "grunherz has been obligated to play in allied rides.  I spent the night in either the F4F, P38G (which I haven't quite gotten the hang of) or the mossie which flies remarkably like my beloved 110 but with far better guns.  The F4F-4 is very competetive the problem with it is it's only available from CVs (I'll cover that problem later in this post) the mossie is an absolute beast.  the only defense against the mossie is for the axis players to gang the tar out of it or do what platan0 does, namely gang with altitude.  I don't see the need for the seafire but if you added it, it shouldn't be a set disrupter provided you added the 109G2.  the 109F/spitV is a great match up.  the 109G2/seafire will be as well.  now to what I perceive to be a problem.  is there any way to make the carriers uncapturable?  there is a small squad that comes on specifically to vultch and capture stuff.  Due to their "efforts" by around 2200 last night the allieds were left with just one carrier, effectively removing a fun fighter from the setup, namely the F4F-4.  the squad in question will not play nicely with others which is fine but if the staff would see it's way clear to enable the F4F-4 at the bases as well then they could go on happily with their undefended captures and not really disrupt the game much, until they "win the war"


Shows a slight lack of understanding of the current Seafire -

Only big difference between it and the Vb is the unversal wing, i.e. 120 RPG instead of only 60 RPG in the Vb.
They use the same motor, same boost, with the IIc being slightly heavier.
So how suddenly it would be a good matchup for a G2 is beyond me, considering it's basically a Vb + extra ammo.

Still wondering why there's no F IX, I have provided three units who had them in Tunisia during the Spring 43 period, and there were other units, just posted three off the top of my head.

I think we can all agree the LW and RAF planesets as they stand are actually turning out to be quite poor for historical matchups -
The RAF is definately badly missing the late Vc which would have been the one used in this setup along with the IX.
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: Bronk on July 03, 2006, 11:32:10 AM
Ok lemme get this straight . We are using 190 A5s as subs for earlier 190s.
But we cant use the Mk IX that was actually there?

:huh

We complain about holes in the plane set ... Yet don't use the ones that should be.

Gee can't understand why HT isn't all fired up to fill the holes.:rolleyes:




Bronk
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: Shifty on July 03, 2006, 12:19:18 PM
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Originally posted by Bronk
Ok lemme get this straight . We are using 190 A5s as subs for earlier 190s.
But we cant use the Mk IX that was actually there?

:huh
Bronk


Take heart Bronk. After some debate you will be allowed to fly the 1942 model Seafire from one of the CV's.;)
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: TexMurphy on July 03, 2006, 12:57:55 PM
Its interesting that the debate is on what spitfire is used and how historical itīs been proven over and over again that we cant really make historical matchups.

The biggest issue I have with this setup is that 190s vs Spits sucks bigtime. Its shown each time we do the BoB during the few days when its pure 190 vs Spit matchup. Horribly booring fights.

I dont know if the 38G is enough to remove the factor of 190s running from turning spits but if not we really need to come up with something. Possibly adding D11 jug.

Fun and ballance is more important then historical accuracy when we know we can never acommplish historical accuracy.

Tex
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: storch on July 03, 2006, 04:01:59 PM
What Tex said, or adding the PJ.  the G in the hands of a good 38 driver is a handful.  even I am able to make some fairly good kills in it.  I don't have a problem with the spit9  the 109s are now where they should have always been.  the 109G2 has enough poop for the spit9.  that fight would be determined by play skill not HTC generated woobiedom.  give them the 9.  hell give them the 14 and 16 they still won't show up to play.  they just like to grieve about stuff.
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: Lye-El on July 03, 2006, 06:53:35 PM
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Originally posted by storch
hell give them the 14 and 16 they still won't show up to play.  they just like to grieve about stuff.


Hmmm.....Maybe that should be tried for a couple of weeks....just to see.
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: storch on July 03, 2006, 07:32:45 PM
I'm all for it.  why don't one of you guys come up with the setup and pitch it to the staff?
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: Kongkyuk on July 04, 2006, 08:54:59 AM
Well Storch, I hope u give up the G because once u figure it out (look out).
She is a mean bird, and (I feel) a good match for the 190a5.

The 109 can eat up the G if you loose your alt. Actually, I used to hate the 109 but after forcing myself to fly it, I've found she rules this arena. I luv how it floats and rockets to the moon on command. Just wish she had more ammo
 :t
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: storch on July 04, 2006, 09:23:37 AM
I'm going to learn that bird because it has pretty good whacking power.  I was making point and shoot kills with the .50s only out to 1k!!!!  I finally figured out you don't need to lead the target very much :D
Title: In the meantime...
Post by: Kongkyuk on July 04, 2006, 09:24:45 AM
Damn,, get back in the 110 now!!!!!!!!!