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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Flatbar on June 30, 2006, 04:03:46 PM
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I don't know about you people but I've had all too many close calls caused by these yakers and drivers.
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyID=2006-06-30T105819Z_01_N29294149_RTRUKOC_0_US-CELLPHONES.xml&archived=False
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Cellphones? Huh. What about smoking when driving? I'v seen on TV, that in GB they want to prohibit smoking when you are driving...
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Driving and Talking on Cell Phone as bad as Drunk Drivers :huh
hap
where is an aristotelian education when it's needed?
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its illeagle in the uk to use a phone while driving unless its a handsfree one.
stupid thing is its not illeagle to use a 2 way radio?
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Originally posted by Estel
Cellphones? Huh. What about smoking when driving? I'v seen on TV, that in GB they want to prohibit smoking when you are driving...
I don't think this qualifies as a reasonable comparison as the Brits have never seen a vice they did not wish to ban in some way.
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It's been illegal to talk in a cellphone while driving here in Finland for 2 years or so. But if you have a headset or a BlueTooth set, it's legal... The logic behind that fails me, if I use my phone to talk it's illegal, if I use the same phone with my bluetooth-headset it's legal?
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Illegal to drive and talk on one around here. They inforce it more then anything else.
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i drove around in the UK last march.
bunch f'in HOers over there!#*?*!#@%
:O :O :O :rofl :aok :o :o :mad: :mad: :D
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My boss drives with 3 phones at once sometimes. They really need to pass a law on these.
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I suffered a fractured sternum (Being thrown against seatbelt) and had my perfectly good nissan sentra totaled by an idiot dialing on a cell phone. I was stopped at a redlight when he ran into me from behind going at least 35 mph. Five cars (his, mine and the three in front of me that were all forced into the cars in front of them were damaged to varying degrees, mine being the only one totaled that I know of).
I absolutely believe that using a cellphone while driving is negligent behavior.
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only cause it happened to you.
i got t-boned by a camaro in tucson when a dude ran a red light (no damage to me, but the contour was off the street for a few weeks).
the driver had his G/F in the right seat.
i punched him & called her ugly (her leg was broken, rofl)
i think they should ban driving with skanks aboard.
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Originally posted by Debonair
only cause it happened to you.
i got t-boned by a camaro in tucson when a dude ran a red light (no damage to me, but the contour was off the street for a few weeks).
the driver had his G/F in the right seat.
i punched him & called her ugly (her leg was broken, rofl)
i think they should ban driving with skanks aboard.
Has he sued you yet?
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We will never get all of the impaired drivers off the road. Who would drive the kids to school? ;)
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Cell phones?..I watch out for those vermin that pull out of Harvey's drive through's..Spillin condiments,mustard & hamburger juice on lap whilst lane changin (without signaling)..:mad:
i always store a plastic doughnut under the seat in case i get pulled over..
as Cop approaches car,toss ringette onto road shoulder and put car in gear..
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I have an acronym for you guys when it comes to:
Women talking on a cell phone (driving or walking): Guided Missile
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it's not cell phones, it's not drinking and driving, it's not wet roads, it's not a BAD INTERSECTION, it's not snow, ice, dark, cars without anti-lock brakes, air bags, seat belts,and motorcycle helmets.
it's stupid drivers, but you can't fix stupid by passing more laws.
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Originally posted by john9001
it's not cell phones, it's not drinking and driving, it's not wet roads, it's not a BAD INTERSECTION, it's not snow, ice, dark, cars without anti-lock brakes, air bags, seat belts,and motorcycle helmets.
it's stupid drivers, but you can't fix stupid by passing more laws.
Agreed, I can't count the number of times I've seen a 'bad driver' and thought cellphone... only to find some chick yabbering to her friend in the passenger seat taking no notice of the road in front or behind her (yeah... bla blah blah I'm to busy to indicate or check my mirrors for BIG BlUE 4WD's in the right lane when I decide to change lanes... no I'll just move right over NOW!)
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Reminds me of a situation that I came accross over 15 years ago. I stopped a guy driving a car on a residential 2 lane road, bike lanes on each side between 2 elementary schools and reading a book propped up on the steering wheel. Unfortunately at that time there was no freaking law I could cite him for. We didn't have a distracted STUPID motorist law back then. All I could do was chew him out then follow him using a bit of constructive paranoia. :mad:
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Originally posted by Flatbar
I don't know about you people but I've had all too many close calls caused by these yakers and drivers.
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyID=2006-06-30T105819Z_01_N29294149_RTRUKOC_0_US-CELLPHONES.xml&archived=False
You ain't gota tell me. Driving has a lot to do with keeping in flow with the traffic - its like a rhythm. People on cell phones are oblivious to this rhythm. You ought to go to jail if pulled over and your cell phone isn't in the glove compartment. You won't though. Verizon spends a lot on lobbyists.
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Yep, i tend to yell "Get Off The Phone !" to people .
For some reason, people talking on a phone while driving tend to lose their "SA", leaving it up to us to dodge them.
even a "hands free phone " only seems to help a little.
All talking on any cellphone while driving should be banned.
CB's are different.
Why, I do not know.
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if u'd shot him dead, would that have been negligent homicide? lolololol:lol :lol :lol
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I do it occasionally. But whenever I am doing something that is not strictly driving, I slow down and am extra cautious.
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Originally posted by Wolfala
I have an acronym for you guys when it comes to:
Women talking on a cell phone (driving or walking): Guided Missile
with 1960's guiding system
Mythbusters did one episode of their show about that.
Thay compare talking while driving to drunk driving.
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This one little girl in a jeep on a phone in front of me today pulled a U, I was expecting her to do something stupid and of course she obliged She whipped into a drive was about to spin around right in front of me but I was already slowing down, I just jammed my horn and she about dropped her phone.
A regular driver might have creamed her, and with my big truck against her little jeep. wouldnt have been very fun for her.
I wish I could yell at these people "get off the phone and drive" but if I did the only thing they would do is hang up current call, then call FedEx Home Delivery and tell em their driver is attempting to run over schoolchildren.
:mad:
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To be honest with you, the only times that I really talk on the phone while I'm driving is when I'm kindof sloshed.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Reminds me of a situation that I came accross over 15 years ago. I stopped a guy driving a car on a residential 2 lane road, bike lanes on each side between 2 elementary schools and reading a book propped up on the steering wheel. Unfortunately at that time there was no freaking law I could cite him for. We didn't have a distracted STUPID motorist law back then. All I could do was chew him out then follow him using a bit of constructive paranoia. :mad:
So he wasn't breaking any laws, but you pulled him over, griped at him, then continued to intimidate him as he went about his business? Meanie.
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Originally posted by Suave
To be honest with you, the only times that I really talk on the phone while I'm driving is when I'm kindof sloshed.
:lol
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Originally posted by Estel
I'v seen on TV, that in GB they want to prohibit smoking when you are driving...
Well that's news to me. But as a nonsmoker, the news probably passed me by. However, IIRC, in Norway it is illegal for the driver to smoke while driving in towns...
Cars are now being offered with "nonsmoker" option. You still get a 12v socket between the two front seats, which is useful for the phone charger, but no lighter, and instead of an ashtray you get a little more storage space.
LOL - I've had a total of FIVE roadside "interviews" with US cops. :D Total cost, $58. Three of these interviews turned out to be freebies. Three of the cops were really nice, including one of the two who actually gave me a ticket, one was a small minded avacado who seemed to think that 64mph on an empty highway (I-80 near Quad Cities, IL) was "suicidal" (bollocking given in a country boy accent, but no ticket) and one thought I was a complete nutter because I went round an S-bend at more than 25mph. Apparently, negotiating bends is not a recognised skill in Mount Prospect,IL. I thought this guy was going to shoot me! I could see him in the door mirror, hand poised over his gun as he cowered beside my rear wheel. What made his mind up was that I didn't have a Mt. Prospect "city sticker" - a certificate of payment of a $10 tax that had to be paid at City Hall. A "city sticker"? I didn't even know what he was talking about. I'd only been there a week. How was I to know of the existence of the "city sticker" requirement? Luckily, this was way back in 1980. If it had happened today, I'd be suspected of being a terrorist, and sent to Guantanamo Bay! :lol
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Originally posted by Panzzer
It's been illegal to talk in a cellphone while driving here in Finland for 2 years or so. But if you have a headset or a BlueTooth set, it's legal... The logic behind that fails me, if I use my phone to talk it's illegal, if I use the same phone with my bluetooth-headset it's legal?
Strange logic indeed... The "crime" is having your hand next to your ear. Why isn't it illegal to steer with one hand then? If they'd ban phone usage while driving alltogether, then talking to passengers, car radios, navigation aids etc. should be banned aswell.
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Originally posted by john9001
it's not cell phones, it's not drinking and driving, it's not wet roads, it's not a BAD INTERSECTION, it's not snow, ice, dark, cars without anti-lock brakes, air bags, seat belts,and motorcycle helmets.
it's stupid drivers, but you can't fix stupid by passing more laws.
Yep. Should have been pretty basic to begin with. It should have been a requirement that you have the ability to walk and chew gum at the same time before you were issued a license. This alone would eliminate about 80 percent of the traffic problem in cities. :)
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A guy in my squadron got fined 60 pounds for eating an apple while driving in Newmarket, and in the UK we were told that although using a hands-free setup with a cellphone was technically legal, if you were involved in an accident while using a hands-free cellphone, it automatically upped the category of accident from "careless" to "dangerous" (or something like that) and dramatically increased the fine. The same goes for open drink or food containers, even if you were not at fault. A half-empty soda can in the cupholder of a wrecked vehicle tended to lead to charges even if the accident was clearly the other driver's fault.
I do not know if these rules were universally applied however... I only know that they were applied against US military members during my stay in the UK. I have no data on if a UK citizen would be charged in the same way under the same rules but they sure seemed serious about it where we were concerned.
You can imagine the fit the UK cop threw when he saw an American driving a big American car, with the steering wheel on the wrong side, eating an apple and with a coke accessable from the drivers seat... Nevermind the fact that the road was new, wide, and empty... From the reaction, you'd think the guy was trying to moon the queen :)
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Yesterday it was pouring rain as I set off on my motorcycle for work.
I was passing a line of cars very slowly when I saw a woman being allowed into traffic to travel in the opposite direction to the one I was going.
She had her trusty cell phone at her ear.
I could see that she wasn't even looking my direction as she pulled out so I applied my back brake. I soon noticed the back end of my bike was visible over my right shoulder. I eased off of the brake and stopped the slide but I was still travelling the same speed...only about 10-15mph. I kept tapping the back brake and the back wheel kept locking up and sliding with even the slightest pressure. I got closer and closer to the cell phone weilding woman, who still hadn't even turned her head in my direction and who by this time had totaly blocked my path.
So, I touched the front and back brake at the same time.
The front wheel slid out and I went "high side" over the handlebars.
I landed on the road and did a sort of ninja roll.
The woman got out of her car and said "Hold on a sec" to the person on the other end of the phone and then asked if I was okay. I said I was. She said (in a somewhat irritated tone) "You sure?" I said "yeah, I think so". She said "Okay" and got back into her car and drove off.
lol
I was fine though...not even any road rash and the bike doesn't even have a scratch on it. My back hurts today a bit and I'm a bit stiff...but DAMN those cell phone talking drivers!!!!
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Originally posted by eagl
A guy in my squadron got fined 60 pounds for eating an apple while driving in Newmarket, and in the UK we were told that although using a hands-free setup with a cellphone was technically legal, if you were involved in an accident while using a hands-free cellphone, it automatically upped the category of accident from "careless" to "dangerous" (or something like that) and dramatically increased the fine. The same goes for open drink or food containers, even if you were not at fault. A half-empty soda can in the cupholder of a wrecked vehicle tended to lead to charges even if the accident was clearly the other driver's fault.
The last time I got a fine here I was eating a hamburger when the cop pulled me over. He couldn't care less about the burger, but the speeding ticket was $390... UK seems like a ****ed up place.
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I think my cell phone use is about typical... it is rare that I use one in the car... but...
There are people who are on cell phones every waking minute... if not... they have some mp3 player stuck in their ear or otherwise are not in the same world as the rest of us.
england and other socialist countries do the only option that they have for any problem... they simply ban the activity.
I don't want to be a socialist big government country. I want to be less of one.
The way to deal with it is to add penalties for causing an accident if you were on the cell phone or mp3 or whatever. Say...double the fine... double the jail time. sorta like drunk driving.
Ban cell phones.... great....
course we are gonna need a whole lot more police to enforce this frigging law.... like the ones we just hired to make sure everyone is wearing their seatbelt..
Oh... here they are asking for more restrictions on window tinting cause the cops say it is too hard to see if the person driving is wearing his seatbelt or not.
At what point do you wussies draw the line?
are we heading toward becomeing england? Or japan? is that what we want?
lazs
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curval..... define "motorcycle".
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
curval..... define "motorcycle".
lazs
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Originally posted by SOB
So he wasn't breaking any laws, but you pulled him over, griped at him, then continued to intimidate him as he went about his business? Meanie.
Yep and your point is? :p
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Originally posted by eagl
A half-empty soda can in the cupholder of a wrecked vehicle tended to lead to charges even if the accident was clearly the other driver's fault.
On what basis? That at some point the driver may have consumed said product during the journey? How would the police prove that the water bottle in the cupholder was that of the driver and not one of the passengers? Don't tell me - they'd run a DNA test on the saliva residue around the neck of the bottle. Yes, well in Blair's police state, I'd actually believe that. But it's as ridiculous as charging a driver because the car has door handles - which will be used at some point - or electric window buttons, or radio buttons. Yes eagl, the cars here have door handles, even if the houses don't! ;)
Lazs, yes they should ban smoking in cars, and then ban smoking altogether. As I personally have no use for tobacco, I see no reason why this substance should not be banned completely, with immediate effect! :p;)
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Beetle,
I dunno how they'd get away with it, but a few guys at Lakenheath got rather stern warnings about open beverages in the car and about how the presence of such items would automatically bump the level of prosecution up because it demonstrates intent to drive recklessly.
Sort of how exiting a bar after a few drinks and with keys in your pocket can get you arrested for intent to drive drunk. One guy got that while I was there... He was walking home from the pub twirling his keys on his finger, and he got stopped and cited because his car keys were on the keyring and he would come in close proximity with his car parked in his carpark before entering his house.
We're warned about all of these areas during inprocessing but nobody really believes it until someone gets prosecuted.
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The only thing worse than smoking and cell phones and the people who use em is..
A ban on cell phones and smoking by people who think they have a right to.
lazs
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It's not using a cell phone per se, but the amount of concentration used.
There was a show on a few years back where a they set up a course of road cones to simulate local roads. Straight, curves, stop signs, etc. They even had a cardboard cut-out of a deer that they could drag across the road.
Then they sent out a driver who was just driving and he didn't hit any cones, stopped at the stop signs and stopped before hitting the "deer".
They they sent him out again but had him hold a casual conversation on a cell phone. He clipped a few cones, but stopped at the stop signs and didn't hit the deer.
Then they sent him out a 3rd time with a cell phone but this time they had him recite aloud the 7's times table (7x1=7, 7x2=14, etc). He clipped almost every cone, sailed passed the stop signs, and the deer never had a chance.
63tb
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Originally posted by eagl
A guy in my squadron got fined 60 pounds for eating an apple while driving in Newmarket
Good enough for him.f there is anything I cannot stand it is a rude person who give no thought or curtousy to those of us who don`t want second hand apple seeds force upon us. Oughta be a law.
Ban apples.
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Originally posted by 63tb
Then they sent him out a 3rd time with a cell phone but this time they had him recite aloud the 7's times table (7x1=7, 7x2=14, etc). He clipped almost every cone, sailed passed the stop signs, and the deer never had a chance.
Simple enough to cure all of this. Ban cones or at least restrict them to no closer to a paved roadway than fifty feet, install voice activated text messaging, install onboard Timesit computer and open deer season. Problems solved plus you have a tasty, healthy meal to take home to the family.
Oh..and they should have had the common sense to give him a couple of brewkies before sending him out on such a treacherous piece of roadway. It has been proven to raise alertness and reaction time.
For myself, I made a decision a long time ago to avoid such instances as these. If people don`t like the way I drive they should stay off the sidewalk.
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Originally posted by mora
Strange logic indeed... The "crime" is having your hand next to your ear. Why isn't it illegal to steer with one hand then? If they'd ban phone usage while driving alltogether, then talking to passengers, car radios, navigation aids etc. should be banned aswell.
The crime is having one hand not able to respond instantly to an unexpected situation, therefore impeding your ability to operate the vehicle in a safe manner.
It has nothing to do with talking, and everything to do with having 50% of the required number of hands to drive safely being useless to you in your primary function as controller of the vehicle, for extended periods of time.
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Why isn't there a law reguiring to have both hands constantly on the steering wheel then? How is it possible that car radios and other non essential equipment are legal despite they reguire manipulation by hand? Even 24V BJ machines are legal...
Seriously... I believe that the biggest threat in talking while driving isn't having your other hand away from steering wheel, but the distraction it causes. Talking to passenger(s) causes distraction just as much, and listening to radio to a lesser extent.
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I agree that some people simply don't have the concentration needed to drive competently and any additional load on their allready strained concentration is too much for them... this would include changing radio stations or trying to recall what they are in the car for tho..
Sooo... since smoke affects a couple of percent of the weakest of us... let's ban it....
let's dumb driving down to the level of the weakest too.
Nope.. I would say that increased fines/penalties for doing stupid things while distracted is the real answer.... if the guy drives off the road trying to eat a burger then the penalty is increased... if the woman rear ends you while trying to put on makeup... penalty increased... guy is weaving and slowing and speeding up while on the cell phone.... reckless driving.
Why is the solution these days allways to remove as much freedom or dumb things down to the level of the worst of us? Oh wait... that is the point of socialism isn't it?
lazs
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it's illegal here,
€ 300 fine if stopped
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Originally posted by Heater
it's illegal here,
€ 300 fine if stopped
35 here