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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: parker00 on June 30, 2006, 06:32:22 PM
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This is why when someone confesses to raping and killing a child they should be put to death on the spot.
Story (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,201678,00.html)
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ah for just five min alone with that piece of crap
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Originally posted by icemaw
ah for just five min alone with that piece of crap
Yeah it turned my stomach just reading how they found her, hang him from the highest tree you can find!!!
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Originally posted by parker00
Should of just killed him.
Story (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,201678,00.html)
Yes, you should of.
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The defense attorney should be required to house and supervise this person if he gets off. If he commits another crime the attorney should share the punishment.
Having said that, based on the information in the article the detectives should have and I'm sure did know they had to stop at the time he asked for a lawyer the first time.
There is still no reason for this hugahunk to continue to consume oxygen.
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Originally posted by icemaw
ah for just five min alone with that piece of crap
You need 5 minutes? As a mother just give me 10 seconds alone with him.
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Originally posted by Maverick
The defense attorney should be required to house and supervise this person if he gets off. If he commits another crime the attorney should share the punishment.
I like that idea. Seriously. If a defense attorney gets a criminal off the hook for a crime, then the criminal commits the same crime again, defense attorney + criminal get same punishment for 2nd crime.
Damn. Maverick for President! :aok
Edit: And don't worry, pretty sure that child molestors are bottom of the food (and beating) chain in prison. That old pervert has got 15 months in him tops once he gets inside the walls.
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I'm thinkin' some of you don't understand the ramifications of attempting to build a legal system that punishes defense attorneys .... period.
Detesting sick, perverted dangers to society is fine but ...
.... ok ... I can see where the anger/confusion comes from, I think. ;)
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Clearly, only "the innocent" deserve a fair trial. Obviously you just don't get it, Arlo. Next you'll be lobbying against summary execution. Friggin' terrorist loving, troops hating commie!
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In polite conversation we say 'sir'.
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Whittle him to death with a nailfile.
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Or should they of not ?
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Originally posted by Suave
Or should they of not ?
:lol
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Originally posted by Maverick
The defense attorney should be required to house and supervise this person if he gets off. If he commits another crime the attorney should share the punishment.
Having said that, based on the information in the article the detectives should have and I'm sure did know they had to stop at the time he asked for a lawyer the first time.
There is still no reason for this hugahunk to continue to consume oxygen.
And kill the cop who fail to capture a murderer ?
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for once the towel heads got it right.
most muslim communities, you steal, you lose your hand. you rape, you lose your donut. no joke.
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Actually batfink, in some muslim communities the female rape victim is killed because of the shame she's caused her family.
No joke. Time magazine ran a big story about these so-called "honor killings" in Turkey and other muslim countries. Apparently some of the governments are trying to put a stop to the practice but the religious leaders are actively promoting the practice to make it clear that sharia law has precedence over secular government laws and regulations.
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In a case like this, it behoves the police to dot all the i's and cross all the t's. The worse the offense, the more critical that is. The disappearance of two young girls here led the FBI to a very likely candidate. They sat and did nothing for a very long time because if they were to move, the case would have been thrown out as having no real cause for a search warrant. He tried to rape another girl and they got him. The ire of the entire neighborhood was levied on them because they almost lost another child, but they did the right thing by the law. Anything else and they'd have been the criminals.
Personally, I'd like the police and the courts to do the job they are hired to do. I believe the sentance for something like this (child or not) should clearly be death. I also believe that everyone that sticks their chest out claiming to "want to spend 5 minutes alone with this guy" comes off like a fool.
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And yet.... most "civilized" countries and the people from them on this BB are against the death penalty.
We have it but we are not useing it enough.
This person needs to be put out of his missery for his and everyone elses good.
lazs
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I heard just after his capture that this is what would happen, & his attorney said if it did happen this way; he'd have a good chance at getting him out of it.
That being said, I have always believed when there is no question of a murderers guilt (when they confess) they should be immediately executed; there is no need for a trial to prove guilt or innocence in that situation, all it is proving is our legal systems stupidity.
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The judge said Couey invoked his rights for counsel "no less than eight times in 46 seconds."
This is a tough call. I've been doing a lot of Miranda work lately, and though I hate to say it (as a criminal defense hatchling), I think the police might have gotten it right.
Ok. This guy is getting worked over. He's going to spill any second now. Then he asks for a lawyer. Now, if the lawyer comes in here, there is NO WAY the POS is going to spill, and the investigation is stuck. If they get him to talk though, they can move the investigation forward. They know that the confession will never hold up in court, but they hope that it will bear fruit that can get past the prohibition.
Now, as it turns out, the body was at his place. They were going to get that no matter what, I mean he's the prime suspect in the killing with or without the confession, they are going to get a warrent for that. So it really becomes moot. The police got the information that they needed, and figured to let the DA fight the battles in court. In the mean time, this sweetheartbag is in jail, and it looks like the DA has enough to convict him even without the confession.
-Sik
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cut his manhood off with a dull rusty steak knife... then hang him.
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Originally posted by dmf
You need 5 minutes? As a mother just give me 10 seconds alone with him.
no offense dmf, but how is it different from "as a father"?
I'm "just" a father of two girls, but trust me you don't love your kids any more that I love mine.
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Originally posted by parker00
This is why when someone confesses to raping and killing a child they should be put to death on the spot.
Story (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,201678,00.html)
Sorry but I'm opposed to that...It would be far to slow.
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Originally posted by 101ABN
cut his manhood off with a dull rusty steak knife... then hang him.
Couldn't do that, they have no manhood. You could hang him with a rusty cable.
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Originally posted by weaselsan
Couldn't do that, they have no manhood. You could hang him with a rusty cable.
HEHEHE I had almost the same exact thought. :lol
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killing gives the easy way out...hard forced labor..with beatings
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Originally posted by mietla
no offense dmf, but how is it different from "as a father"?
I'm "just" a father of two girls, but trust me you don't love your kids any more that I love mine.
Theres no difference I just think 5 minutes is too long.
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you ALWAYS pay the price of your actions ... karma sees to that
this is but a delay in his paying for his sin(s) ..... As Mr T once said ........ "I pity the fool"
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DONT KILL HIM!!!
Now that you think im nuts, listen to why. I say torture him. If he dies, he no longer feels pain. I say we beat/torture him until he is almost dead, and then rvive him until he is healthy, torture him to near death again, and revive him. We do this over and over every day, putting him in asw much pain as possible. Death is a gift.
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Originally posted by dmf
Theres no difference I just think 5 minutes is too long.
I understood what you meant, but I I'd like to add that I think his death only taking 5 minutes would be far too short. Animals like him should be killed in public, & slowly. That way the other animals not too far gone in the head already might be detered, even if it only made one of them stop and say "HOLY SHEEP DIP BATMAN! I am not going to die like that!" Thus saving one innocent childs life I say it would be well worth any public scorn poured out on behalf of the animals put down for those crimes.
But then again I think O.J. was guilty too & he's playing golf & laughing to reporters about killing those two people & buying his way out of it.
Ahhh, the U.S. "justice" system
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Oh trust me by no means did I mean it'd take him 5 minutes or 10 seconds to die, the 10 seconds is just the amount of time it'd take me to make sure he died a very slow painfull days on end death.
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I'd just shoot him in the head twice.
Of course, I am not a loving mother or father.
Two bullets to the head takes care of the objective - his death. The purpose is not my emotional gratification through the causing of excruciating pain using torture. The purpose is not to turn me into a sadist who takes joy from the screaming of humans.
But loving moms and dads are different. I'm sure they'll be better moms and dads after a few sadistic misdeeds. Hell; let the kids watch, that'll teach them not to misbehave!
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Originally posted by eagl
Actually batfink, in some muslim communities the female rape victim is killed because of the shame she's caused her family.
No joke. Time magazine ran a big story about these so-called "honor killings" in Turkey and other muslim countries. Apparently some of the governments are trying to put a stop to the practice but the religious leaders are actively promoting the practice to make it clear that sharia law has precedence over secular government laws and regulations.
very good point, i remember reading a story of a young girl of 17 or so, excecuted as a punishment for being raped.
the story where the two boyfriends ran away on mopeds and left the girls to be raped.
I have, however, also seen many stories, and a few shocking internet videos of men having thier bits cut off for rape.
as you say, it depends on who has the most influence in the region, the government or priests.....
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Originally posted by Eagler
you ALWAYS pay the price of your actions ... karma sees to that
so very very true.
I once lied to a girlfriend, blatant and to her face. i was young and foolish. she was no angel either.
anyhow, the relationship went on for months after, but i could never be truly happy in the relationship or in everyday life because of that lie.
Karma wouldnt let me get away with it even though no one else could ever prove me wrong.
one day, i told her the truth. Instantly i felt the lie lifted from my shoulders. she did dump me though... :D
there is no heaven or hell.
life on earth slowly become one or the other due to karma, in most cases.
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Originally posted by StSanta
I'd just shoot him in the head twice.
Of course, I am not a loving mother or father.
Two bullets to the head takes care of the objective - his death. The purpose is not my emotional gratification through the causing of excruciating pain using torture. The purpose is not to turn me into a sadist who takes joy from the screaming of humans.
But loving moms and dads are different. I'm sure they'll be better moms and dads after a few sadistic misdeeds. Hell; let the kids watch, that'll teach them not to misbehave!
Well in a way you're right, it would be more gratifiying for a mother or father in some cases, especilly ones who had lost a child. But not even all of them would want that punishment for the offenders. In my mind it's more about deterent, if intelligent animals see no "punishment" for their actions, they will not see their actions as having such a steep price for them to pay if confronted.
A lot of these murdering & raping animals in our society think they will get off or at the very least get pity from the courts & only be sentenced to life in prison (which sometimes isn't even life, but only 30 years until parole is possible) & the ones who are sentenced to death die in seclusion & the reports are "the criminal went peacefully"
My plan is for the would be criminals to see the horror of being skinned alive, rolled in fiberglass insulation & dumped into a pool of strong salt water; taken out & tied down while the executioner crushes their teeth with pliers one by one & continuing in that fashion until the offender expires.
That way the offender gets his (or hers) & the would be offenders have a penalty to think about that they have seen with their own eyes is no easy or "peaceful" death. Did Samantha Runion die easy? How about Carly Brucia? We know Jessica Lunsford didn't, unless a prepubescent body being forcefully penetrated vaginally & anally for hours & hours wasn't bad enough...he buries her alive? WTF sort of humane treatment do they deserve?
It's like the mountain lion problem, when they stop being killed by humans, they lose their fear of us & begin to view us as prey. We should re-instill fear into those murdering rapists minds. I.M.O. of course. As far as who would stoop down to their level to send them on that journey? I would, I volunteer to torture anyone like that John Couey or however you spell it, if they admit guilt, I have no problem with it at all, man or woman...Susan Smith....Andrea Yates....no problem.
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Originally posted by Brenjen
My plan is for the would be criminals to see the horror of being skinned alive, rolled in fiberglass insulation & dumped into a pool of strong salt water; taken out & tied down while the executioner crushes their teeth with pliers one by one & continuing in that fashion until the offender expires.
One major flaw in your plan. What sort of people do you think could perform this execution? Will you be content with this type of monster roaming free in your streets?
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Are you advocating murder then Parker?
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Originally posted by StSanta
I'd just shoot him in the head twice.
Of course, I am not a loving mother or father.
Two bullets to the head takes care of the objective - his death. The purpose is not my emotional gratification through the causing of excruciating pain using torture. The purpose is not to turn me into a sadist who takes joy from the screaming of humans.
But loving moms and dads are different. I'm sure they'll be better moms and dads after a few sadistic misdeeds. Hell; let the kids watch, that'll teach them not to misbehave!
It only takes 10 seconds to pour clorox down his throat. Thats how sadistic I could be to a child molester/killer
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Originally posted by Sandman
One major flaw in your plan. What sort of people do you think could perform this execution? Will you be content with this type of monster roaming free in your streets?
Me, that's who...I volunteer at the end of that rant, you must've missed it.:aok
Content? Yes, very. The entire time I was ending thier miserable existence.
In my mind I would see the smiling faces of the ones saved by such a public display of absolute violence, I would envision that little Samantha Runion girls face on a happy living child, instead of rotting in the ground after a horrible rape & murder, back playing & smiling & enjoying a life ripped from her...in the form of a child saved.
Like I said, I would view it as worth the public scorn for slowly torturing hundreds of admitted murderers to death even if it only saved one innocent life.
You might see me smiling while ripping off chunks of their flesh & think "what an evil dude" & the whole time in my mind I'm seeing a little three year old bright eyed baby playing in the sun,growing into a woman & having a family of her own.
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Well... if you're capable of such things, I don't want you on the streets either.
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Originally posted by dmf
It only takes 10 seconds to pour clorox down his throat. Thats how sadistic I could be to a child molester/killer
While you're at it...
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/07/03/iraq.charge/index.html
let him be next in line.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Well... if you're capable of such things, I don't want you on the streets either.
Many people agree with you.
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hard to say what punishment is good enough for a peice of **** like that. Death is far too easy, and prison costs too much. But they have fun with rapists in prison.
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
While you're at it...
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/07/03/iraq.charge/index.html
let him be next in line.
I heard about that briefly on the news, I have no desire to kill him, I have a better idea, since everybody that comes to the US is subject to us law, let him be subject to the law of where he is. I hear that in muslim countries they cut off a hand for stealing, Lets see what they'll cut off of him for rape and murder. If he's found guilty.
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Originally posted by dmf
It only takes 10 seconds to pour clorox down his throat. Thats how sadistic I could be to a child molester/killer
Just f****n shoot the guy. What's with the torture thing? Clorox treatment? I understand you want to protect your young and I understand the basic premise that mothers protecting their young will go to great lengths to do so. Is he any deader if you use Clorox instead of a double tap to the head? Is he less of a threat then?
As far as deterrent - if death is not a deterrent, torture ain't gonna be either. Most of these crimes are done outta a sick twisted overwhelming sexual desire. There's nothing rational about it. It won't work.
If we don't want to be so soft and don't mind an innocent getting whacked by the state every now and then, then two bullets to the head is the solution.
Forget all this primal bull*****. It's a primal, immediate reaction. People who're showing that their primal, emotional instincts override their rational mind are generally people I try to avoid. Child molesters are just like this.
Controlling and channeling feelings is essential to functioning in modern society.
Do what is necessary, then think no more of it.
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Originally posted by dmf
I heard about that briefly on the news, I have no desire to kill him, I have a better idea, since everybody that comes to the US is subject to us law, let him be subject to the law of where he is. I hear that in muslim countries they cut off a hand for stealing, Lets see what they'll cut off of him for rape and murder. If he's found guilty.
Are you in favour of Sharia law? I may be misreading your post but I get the idea that you find the punishment according to Sharia law more compelling than what we have in the West.
1996-MAR: Afghanistan: Some strict interpretations of Islamic law calls for the death penalty for any woman found in the company of a man other than a close family member. Sexual activity is assumed to have happened. A woman, Jamila, was found guilty of trying to leave the country with such a man. She was caught and stoned to death on 1996-MAR-28.
If this is implemented in the West, my palm-sized rock company is going to make a fortune.
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Just put him down, no fan fare just get it done and be rid of him.
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Originally posted by StSanta
Just f****n shoot the guy. What's with the torture thing? Clorox treatment? I understand you want to protect your young and I understand the basic premise that mothers protecting their young will go to great lengths to do so. Is he any deader if you use Clorox instead of a double tap to the head? Is he less of a threat then?
As far as deterrent - if death is not a deterrent, torture ain't gonna be either. Most of these crimes are done outta a sick twisted overwhelming sexual desire. There's nothing rational about it. It won't work.
If we don't want to be so soft and don't mind an innocent getting whacked by the state every now and then, then two bullets to the head is the solution.
Forget all this primal bull*****. It's a primal, immediate reaction. People who're showing that their primal, emotional instincts override their rational mind are generally people I try to avoid. Child molesters are just like this.
Controlling and channeling feelings is essential to functioning in modern society.
Do what is necessary, then think no more of it.
A double tap to the head might work, but I'd like to watch him squirm just a little before he drops.Call me a sadistic Bit** if you want to, but when I hear about people hurting children thats just how mad I get. Oh by the way how much does your 2 taps to the head cost? I can get bleech for 88cents :)
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Originally posted by StSanta
Are you in favour of Sharia law? I may be misreading your post but I get the idea that you find the punishment according to Sharia law more compelling than what we have in the West.
1996-MAR: Afghanistan: Some strict interpretations of Islamic law calls for the death penalty for any woman found in the company of a man other than a close family member. Sexual activity is assumed to have happened. A woman, Jamila, was found guilty of trying to leave the country with such a man. She was caught and stoned to death on 1996-MAR-28.
If this is implemented in the West, my palm-sized rock company is going to make a fortune.
I don't favor Sharia law, but you have to admit it is a good crime deterent. I do however like their dui law. one time driveing drunk and you'll never do it again. But if sombody from another country comits a crime in this country they fall under our laws don't they? So why not have the same thing apply to our people that go over there?
And if their law is ever implemented here I want a job at your rock company. I need the money.
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I would say put him to sleep and wish him better luck in the next life.
I could see a parent or person affected directly wanting to beat him to death.. Probly do it myself in the heat of the thing...but...
I think that after we put that guy to sleep we would need to round up the people who wanted to torture him and put them to sleep. I am not comfortable being around people who think torture is justified.
lazs
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Anyone who thinks being easy on these animals by carrying on in the same manner we've been carrying on, watching it get worse & worse with no let up in sight are, in my eyes, no better than me for wanting to show them a penalty that would make their skin crawl off their body & hide.
All of you who can look at the smiling faces of those children, go ahead & bring their pictures up, stare into their eyes & let your mind bring them back to life, hear there little innocent voices on their birthdays, happy, joyous & then let your mind play the horrible snuff porno that is the reality of how they died...suffering.
If you can visualize that & not see the failure of "peacefully going to sleep behind closed doors" as a punishment, then there is no hope for you. I am quite certain very few of you here would like me very much in person, I am a hard, brutal man when I am struck by the fight or flight instinct. In my mind there isn't enough violence to heap on them before they died.
Today is my daughters birthday; & I couldn't run the "what if" scenario in my mind without feeling the need to vommit. Do that with one of your loved ones & feel the surge in your body & tell me true; the only reason you can't bear to think about torturing the undefendably guilty is because you simply do not know the victims & don't have a personal issue with their crimes.
I have an issue with them, I will always have an issue with them.
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I have family too... a 4 year old grand daughter...
Like I said.. I could see someone losing it and beating the guy to death or shooting him.... I could pull the handle to have him put down.
I am not interested in punishishing him so much as I am getting him out of the whole life deal... I don't want him out amung the rest of us to harm even more people.... especialy children.
The act of torture is a whole nuther thing.
I do not want a person who is capable of it for "punishment" out amung the real people either..
I would pull the plug on a self rigthtious torturer just as easily. they shouldn't be out amung decent people. they are sick and probly can't be cured any more than the child molester.
To be fair.... most of the people here who claim they could torture another human for no other reason than that of punishment..... they are kidding themselves. I believe that they are more human than they give themselves credit for.
It takes a special person to torture another human being.
lazs
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Originally posted by StSanta
Just f****n shoot the guy. What's with the torture thing? Clorox treatment? I understand you want to protect your young and I understand the basic premise that mothers protecting their young will go to great lengths to do so. Is he any deader if you use Clorox instead of a double tap to the head? Is he less of a threat then?
So he could experience just a fraction of the pain that his victimes will feel throughout the rest of their lives. I have a very close family member who was raped when she was just 14 or 15 years old. DONT tell me I wouldn't ejoy just a little time alone with him.
A bullet is too good, too fast, and not painful enough.
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Originally posted by lazs2
It takes a special person to torture another human being.
lazs
No it doesn't, all it takes is enough anger, you might regret doing it later, but at the time I think anybody could do it
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is hard-forced labor torture?
it knd of is..but not your typical..peel finger nails off stuff
HARD FORCED LABOR>.your rest of your life...
aching sore bones..joints..SO you can think about what you did ..everyday of your life...
Who knows whats on the other side..meaning death.....Let them "marinate" in forced labor here first.
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
is hard-forced labor torture?
it knd of is..but not your typical..peel finger nails off stuff
HARD FORCED LABOR>.your rest of your life...
aching sore bones..joints..SO you can think about what you did ..everyday of your life...
Who knows whats on the other side..meaning death.....Let them "marinate" in forced labor here first.
I agree with that; if they deny their crimes. There is always that shadow of a doubt if they deny it. Anyone denying their guilt, even if found to be guilty by a court, should have hard labor; that way at least they might still be alive if they were found out to be truly innocent later on.
I couldn't take someones life who swore their innocence from start to finish (& I don't mean innocent because of a legal loophole, I mean did not do it at all innocent) even if a court gave them death & it was my job to do it.
I'm very human Lazs, but I suppose I'm also a very special person. Because I have absolutely zero feeling for the john coueys of this world & could do darn near anything to them but eat their flesh with a smile on my face.
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This should not be about a concept of "justice". There is nothing you can do that would really "balance the books" for the rape, killing and or torture of an innocent. This is about protecting society so that this person (creature?) never ever gets to hurt another innocent again. Period. Just put it down and get on with life. There is more to life than holding this "thing" in contempt. Remove it from the presence of others on the planet and move on.
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Originally posted by Maverick
This should not be about a concept of "justice".
Your right on the money there, it's about prevention! And going to sleep peacefully behind closed doors isn't scaring them enough to curb this trend (if it's scaring them at all). They think they'll win on appeal or get off on a loophole or live out their days waiting for the appeals process to run it's course & then file a motion thirty years later that their too old & sick to be executed.
The sad thing is, they're right; that's exactly what happens the majority of the time.
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dmf... I would submit that you have never even came close to really torturing another human being.
You can't torture someone on the spur of the moment and in anger. It takes a concerted effort and hours or days of sadism....Sane people don't do that.
Dissagree? when was the last time you heard of a parent or sane person locking a bad guy in the basement and torturing him for hours or days or weeks? Not gonna happen.
sure... you may sustain rage long enough to beat the guy to death or gut shoot em but you can't think of tortures while the rage is on.... if you plan out the tortures ahead of time you are probly a nut job or just very angry... if you ever get even close to carrying out the fantasy... you are a psycho that needs to be put down too.
Hard labor? fine for lesser crimes where the risk of the guy getting out is not a real big deal... Not good enough for the sociopaths and the child molesters.... Can't take the chance that they would do it again.. so long as they draw a breath they are a danger to the rest of us. They need to be put down.
The torturers need to be put down too.
lazs