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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: 1epic1 on July 02, 2006, 11:47:54 PM
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whats your tatics on shooting a plane?
I like to use my MGs to weaken the wings then use one or 2 cannon rounds to take it off. Or if im in a 51 i like to aim for the cockpit, hense a easy kill
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Um... not to be rude, but this is a stupid question.
Might as well ask "How do I fly?" or something equally open-ended. You know how to shoot, obviously you fly the game. If the post is a pointless one just to keep the forums active you needn't bother, they'll be active on their own accord.
How do you shoot somebody? How many raindrops are in the ocean?
Sheesh!
EDIT: I didn't intend to be rude, but as I read it I was. I make no excuses, and I leave my statement as-is.
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Well, I pull the trigger on my joystick and hope that the bullets land. Wash, rinse, repeat. Nothing special about it.
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I pull out my ruler, and find the exact length of the wingspan. I divide this by the length of the fuselage. I keep a table handy listing all of the plane lenthgs. Now I put that number into the equation X=C/SK, where C = convergence, S = speed and K = Kill number per sortie. I leave my answer as a fraction and reduce to a mixed fraction. Now I pull out the ruler again and find my calculated answer to the nearest tenth of an inch. I line up my crosshair with that point and hit every time.
As for deflection shots, well thats a whole nother ball park and I will spare you the trigonometry .
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there are no raindrops in teh ocean, rofl
:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :D :D :rolleyes: :t :O
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Originally posted by Raptor
I pull out my ruler, and find the exact length of the wingspan. I divide this by the length of the fuselage. I keep a table handy listing all of the plane lenthgs. Now I put that number into the equation X=C/SK, where C = convergence, S = speed and K = Kill number per sortie. I leave my answer as a fraction and reduce to a mixed fraction. Now I pull out the ruler again and find my calculated answer to the nearest tenth of an inch. I line up my crosshair with that point and hit every time.
As for deflection shots, well thats a whole nother ball park and I will spare you the trigonometry .
I keep a slide-rule handy for deflection shots.
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Krusty,
The man asked a question. If you do not have an answer or at least a funny reply, then don't give any.
If I understand the question he ment something like: short bursts, range, gamble on low prob shots etc.
It really depends on the plane and the gun package. In my P47 I take the extra ammo and go trigger happy till the counters are down to about 1000, which equals the lesses ammo load option. Then I start counting the bullets.
From than point I hardly ever fire at more than 400 yards. Being a lausy shot this is a waste of ammo. When the counter show 400 (300-500 yards) I use short 1/2 second bursts, fire and correct. At 200 or less on the counter I try to get a sustained burst in.
For crossing shots, since the P47 have good hitting power but lack the instant kill canons offer, I try to roll the plane so the target crosses from side to side instead of from up to down. This makes both sets of guns hit the same places one after the other and increase the chance of crittical damage. If the target crosses up/down than the gun sets hit different plane parts.
I also find direct 6 shots very hard so I try to get a little angle off. Too bad that in the P47 you get to see a lot of plane tulips as they easily run away from you.
The real masters are the 109 spud cannon users. If you want to learn the Zen art of patiance and gunnery, learn from them.
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When i fly my 109, (im a "109 zen master" w/ my spud gun!) i like to make snap-shots at close range w/ MGs, so as not to waste cannon, and then, when i finally have the shot, i fire an aproximate 6 second burst of 30mm cannon. Or, if the opponent is far in front of me, i pop-shot. For instance, i was hunting an La-7, which was about 800 in front of me, and getting away. So, i pretty much stayed with him, and fired one cannon round at a time, a little high (to hit the tail-plane or canopy) one low (to hit the undercarage, and hope he crashes trying to land) one port (to get the port elevator stabalizer, port aileron, port wing) one starboard (starboard elevator, starboard aileron, starboard wing) and i just cycle through that, and as long as you stick with it, and he stays within 1000 meters/feet (ive never known whether its meters or feet on the display) and keep firing like that, eventually you hit the pilot, wing or engine, and they always die. As soon as someone levels out, they die. I suck at ACM, but im a pretty good shot, but the 30mm tater sure helps!
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If you using a 30mm, you need to get close. Then, you need to get closer. After that, get a little bit closer, then shoot. Praying some during that routine may or may not help.
Using normal guns (.50 / Hizooka) set your convergence to ~300, aim at or slightly in front of the enemy plane, and start firing when the range counter switches from 400 to 200.
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Originally posted by Reynolds
When i fly my 109, (im a "109 zen master" w/ my spud gun!) i like to make snap-shots at close range w/ MGs, so as not to waste cannon, and then, when i finally have the shot, i fire an aproximate 6 second burst of 30mm cannon. Or, if the opponent is far in front of me, i pop-shot. For instance, i was hunting an La-7, which was about 800 in front of me, and getting away. So, i pretty much stayed with him, and fired one cannon round at a time, a little high (to hit the tail-plane or canopy) one low (to hit the undercarage, and hope he crashes trying to land) one port (to get the port elevator stabalizer, port aileron, port wing) one starboard (starboard elevator, starboard aileron, starboard wing) and i just cycle through that, and as long as you stick with it, and he stays within 1000 meters/feet (ive never known whether its meters or feet on the display) and keep firing like that, eventually you hit the pilot, wing or engine, and they always die. As soon as someone levels out, they die. I suck at ACM, but im a pretty good shot, but the 30mm tater sure helps!
Ummm
Personally your wasting your 30mm firing from 1000 or 800 out.
Bring up your . target command set it to 400 and maintain a 6 sec burst of 30mm and see what happens to the displacement of your rounds.
Personally for me its like urchin said I have to saddle up and i dont fire till im within 200 or less for the 30mm.
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Spray and pray baby, spray and pray :)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Spray and pray baby, spray and pray :)
Damn it Dan who told you my technique.:furious :furious
Bronk
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Does it actually weaken parts though?
Given that AH2 seems to be an all or nothing damage model.
i.e. You never lose part of a rudder or flap or aileron or elevator, its either there or shot off.
Is it even possible to weaken a part?
Oh and Tiffys don't weaken parts, they shred them :) .
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Originally posted by Reynolds
i fire an aproximate *6 second burst of 30mm cannon.* Or, if the opponent is far in front of me, i pop-shot. For
in a 109?!?!
Dude your wasting all your ammo..I dont even think the 30mm last that long..IMO i use the tator gun wen 200 or LESS..other than that DONT use it...30mm have crazy drop and if your gonna use it at a distance of over 200 yards its gonna be harder to hit anything... if its over 200 stick to the MG's...
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Originally posted by Souless
Ummm
Personally your wasting your 30mm firing from 1000 or 800 out.
Bring up your . target command set it to 400 and maintain a 6 sec burst of 30mm and see what happens to the displacement of your rounds.
Personally for me its like urchin said I have to saddle up and i dont fire till im within 200 or less for the 30mm.
Its no waste. I make the kill with normally about 3-4 shots spent. The La-La i was talking about was different. I sucked at aiming then, and it took me 9. But i fire only one shot at a time, and then correct.
And platano, those shots are always when the enemy is in fast motion, but not flying straight. For example he zooms across my screen 200m in front of me, in a position where i cannot follow, but CAN shoot. Im not good at those snap shots, so i just put up a wall of cannon in front of him. I find it rather effective. I only once ran out of cannon ammo in combat, and i had been killing a La La, attacking two jugs, defending against an Me-262 (bear in my mind, I only killed the La La, someone else got the Jugs), ran out of cannon trying to get the 262 on a low pass, decided to land and re-arm, and got straffed just before my weels touched ground. But other than that, i always have enough ammo.
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Get them in the convergence zone. In that zone, a 1/2 sec burst of 4x50s can make a buff explode.
Fire at fuselage at fighter, wing root in bomber -- because thats where the critical damage is gunna come.
Frankly, shooting from farther out than 400 only makes sense when making a dweeby guy panic and turn.
Kinetic energy is responsible for the biggest part of the damage your rounds do, even with most cannon shells. The farther you round travels, the slower and less damaging your hits are going to be -- not to mention the harder to get hits in the first place.
So, even if you get hits at 800 you are only getting a fraction of the benefit you should be able to get from that round.
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1. Does aces high reduce damage w/ distance?
2. I need kills. I cant get them in a furball, because i lack ACM skills. Luckily, I CAN fire effectively from a distance. It works for me, because i can hit, and the 30mm hit HARD.
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Originally posted by bozon
Krusty,
The man asked a question.
It's still a stupid question. Looking at some of his other posts, he's not really posting for quality, just quantity.
EDIT: Oh and I think he edited it to add the second line after I posted.
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Originally posted by Reynolds
Its no waste. I make the kill with normally about 3-4 shots spent. The La-La i was talking about was different. I sucked at aiming then, and it took me 9. But i fire only one shot at a time, and then correct..
My apologies to you if you think shooting a 30mm 800 out or 1000 is not a waste, I would suggest to you the hit sprites your getting are MG rounds and not 30mm cannon.
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Im not firing MG rounds. Only cannon. and its working.
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Originally posted by Reynolds
Im not firing MG rounds. Only cannon. and its working.
Hmmm.. according to your game stats, it is NOT working. A hit percentage of 1.4 % is very, very low. That means from a 65 round 30mm loadout on a 109K, only about 1(!) shell is hitting the enemy.
I would suggest you to follow the recommendations of your fellow pilots in here. Shoot only when close & personal. This is not only a matter of ACM but of discipline & self-restraint. Do it for a week and you will start to note the difference. You may get fewer opportunities to shoot at the enemy, but on the long run you will kill more of them.
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How do you check your hit percentage offline? I know how online but not offline?:aok
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Renolds this is the last time I will post in regards to a 30mm round.
You are delusional to think your hitting from 800-1000 yards out with a 30mm.
That said have a nice day:aok
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For some reason I cannot foget how the Army told us how to fight with the M2A2 Bradley :)
1 ranging round (if hit)
3-4 round burst x2 (should be dead after that)
So I guess I pop off a few rounds see where they hit then adjust and fire a few bursts.
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rgr that zorstorer. ---> red 25 1/33rd FA was taught the same thing always shoot a spoter round :aok
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I next to never find myself in position to make a close shot. And i would venture to say that my hit percentage has gone WAY down in the last... 8 days? I have made what i have recorded to be effectice shots from 800m. i have fired only severaly shots, and made confirmed kills. I am telling you from my experience what i am doing, and what its effects are. Now, i DO NOT fire a 30mm at a target that is more than 200m away UNLESS HE IS FLYING STRAIGHT AND LEVEL. If an aricraft is maneuvering, i DO NOT SHOOT. if the enemy is straight and level and MORE than 1000m, i DO NOT SHOOT. If i am targeting an aircraft and who IS maneuvering preventing me from a clear shot, even IF he is WITHIN 200m, i DO NOT FIRE CANNON. I fire MGs only at that point. I DO NOT fire cannon AT ALL, unless i have a CONFIRMED shot. And the reason my hit percentage (Which was surely low already due to my n00b-ness) has gone way down is 2 reasons:
1. My trigger has been recorded to stick, and just not stop shooting. I have complained over the country-wide that my guns wouldnt stop firing.
2. My comp has lagged very badly and froze while useing my dads computer, and has kept the guns again firing much longer than i had pulled the trigger for.
Now, my technique is NOT perfect. My aim is NOT garunteed, my kills are NOT certain. But so far, these techniques have worked for me. I know where the 30mms are going. This isnt the first game i have played where i fly the 109 80% of the time. Im used to their weapons. The flight charactoristics are a bit different, but the weapons feel the same in my hands. I find it very difficult to engage in a furball. I try, but my time to shine, is when i have an A/C that thinks he is safe, simply because he is out of what most pilots consider to be an effective range for a 30mm. He loosens up. Relaxes. He knows he is already "out of range", and he is faster than me, and so getting farther away. This happens quite a bit, and this is when i find kills are easiest. If i know from experience that i can put a shot or two where i need them to go, i will take that shot. and yes, sometimes it takes several more shots that i would like. but if it takes 10, even 15 shots, if at least a few of those shots hit to make the kill, thats one more kill, and one less bandit. and in the situtation i normally find myself in, (No ACM, not much manuevering skill, enough ammo to fight off an enemy [50 on a K, 100 on a G] i have enough ammo, just not the maneuvering skill to make use of it.) this is my best option, and this, for the most part works for me. If i start running out of ammo in combat, i will take a second look at my strategy. But for now, when those few times i make it back to base, or when i get shot down, i am landning or getting killed with at least 50 rounds in a G, and 30 in a K. I have enough ammo. Im not worried about that. I just dont have the ACM. but my shooting is working better than anything else i do.
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Originally posted by red26
rgr that zorstorer. ---> red 25 1/33rd FA was taught the same thing always shoot a spoter round :aok
I was Blue 1 Golf :) If you called for the Lt you talked to me instead :( He was never around :D
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I have been flying 109K4 as of late and I wait till cons plane fills my windscreen, then fire cannon....or 200, which ever first.
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Mashes the trigger lol.
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Originally posted by Simaril
Frankly, shooting from farther out than 400 only makes sense when making a dweeby guy panic and turn.
Try the Yak9T at 1K on Bomber :)
I downed several formation this way some time ago :)
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See? It works!
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The NS37 mm is not a crappy gun like the MK108 , the trajectory is pretty flat compared to the german 30mm
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Weakening parts:
Yes, that works. Damage is cumulative (but not DISPLAYED in damage tab). waekening wings with MG works, but given the power of well aimed cannon rounds in convergence, i dont think it neccessary to do it.
Side note: damages wings even rip off faster under stress.
Yes, AH guns model reduced damage for distance. Im not sure if they take into account velocity - kinetic E as well, but they DO model dispersion (which is a LOT more spread out at distance).
Reynolds: Noone says shooting at d1000 is impossible. Its just a lot lower% then at d100.....
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Yes, but kills HAVE been recorded, and OTHERS do it too. im not the only guy shooting from far out, but it seems to work.
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Originally posted by Reynolds
1. Does aces high reduce damage w/ distance?
Yes.
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I close my eyes and pull the trigger untill I hear boom.
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Just to add to all this:
I map ALL weapons to the primary trigger. Odds are I'm only gonna have a small amount of time to get bullets on the target, so I might as well get as many bullets on the target as possible.
I also have button maps for just firing the primary or secondary guns, for those extremely rare occasions when I just want to put some MG tracers over the canopy of a very distant target.
This goes for planes with all the same weapon or those with differing weapons.
And then I only file at convergence or below, unless the target is something large like a bomber.
This philosophy has served me well since 1996. ;-)
-Llama
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As the spokesman of the LAME (League of Average, Mediocre, and Erroneous), we average and mediocre pilots generally prefer to pull whatever trigger there is that can shoot anything that flies forward, when we think we have a gun solution.
Aiming at individual parts? Firing MGs and cannons separately?
The odds are, whenever we pull the trigger we're probably gonna miss anyway.
So we just let 'er rip and hope something hits.
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OK no matter what plane i am in no matter what type of guns i am using here is what i do. I roll onto there 6 at about D200 out i get closer...then closer...then a little closer...then i start to fire...fire some more...then poof...*KLANG KLANG KLANG*(Sound of guys plane debris bouncing off my plane) then I go vert rinse and repeat.
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