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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Dowding on October 28, 2001, 02:37:00 PM
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"Three British Muslims have been killed in action while fighting with the Taliban.
The men, two from Luton and one from Crawley, were killed during US-led bombing raids on the Afghan capital Kabul.
The deaths of Aftab Manzoor, 25, and Afzal Munir, in his early 20s, both from Luton, and Yasir Khan, from Crawley, were confirmed by Hasan Butt, leader of the al-Muhajiroun in Lahore, Pakistan.
He told the Associated Press: "All of them had gone to Afghanistan in early October to wage jihad, (holy war) against the unjust policies of America.
"We have learned from our contacts that they were martyred by the American bombing on Wednesday."
Muslims in Luton are in shock at the news but fears are growing among the 20,000 Muslims of a racist backlash after pictures of Manzoor's address were published in the local newspaper.
Some friends of Manzoor, a courier, insisted he must have died in a car accident while visiting his wife and baby daughter in Pakistan, rather than during a US bombing raid."
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There must be many more of these 'British' muslims over there right now. The Foreign Office was powerless to stop suspected Taliban-fighter-wannabes from leaving the country due to human rights issues (they were travelling to Pakistan).
In a few weeks or months time they'll be shooting at British forces. I only hope they are captured and tried for treason (even though we abolished the death penalty for treason 3 years ago).
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Let's just hope that they all go over there to fight thier jihad.
It's sad to see people are falling into the jihad mentality. People going to get themselves "martyred" over a madman :( I hope god has mercy on their sole's.
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Good.
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Lemme get this straight. These numpties come to Britain, leech off the British tax payer for God knows how long and then sod off to Afganistan to shoot at British soldiers?
Do they seriously expect to be let back in when it's all over? If they survive......
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[ 10-28-2001: Message edited by: Swoop ]
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Of course Swoop.
But they'll be sent to Bradford, well away from London or Surrey. Or maybe Glasgow. Can you say 'cultural meltdown'?
These Islamic fundamentalists are a real problem around where I live. Pakistani women support groups are sent hate mail detailing how they are 'corrupting' Pakistani youth with Western influences. They are called prostitutes.
When you enter my country, I don't care what religion you practise provided:
a) You learn English and teach English to your children as their first language
b) Abide by our laws and particularly those laws that protect our civil rights.
There's a lot of ill-feeling and resentment of Pakistani people around here - it's sometimes hard to avoid getting caught up in it. It's a real 'them and us' situation at times, especially recently.
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Dowding. Let me ask you a question.
If during WW2, three British citizens had gone to fight for Germany and were killed in say, the battle for Dunkirk fighting against your fellow countrymen. What would have happen if a predominately Germany neighborhood in England raised up to revenge their deaths?
[ 10-28-2001: Message edited by: newguy2 ]
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That's not very Liberal of you, Dowding......
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Newguy,
soon after Pearl Harbour the USA rounded up all Japanese immigrants into camps.
Now as much as I'd love to do the same right now to any and all Arabs, Islamics and general layabouts, I'm sure the damn European Court of Human Rights would have something to say about it.
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That was me kidding, I dont really wanna round em all up, besides the British government already has.....into Bradford.
Poor bastards.
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Three British Muslims have been killed in action while fighting with the Taliban
So?
I don't care if they are Methodist Iowan's.
You fight for those terroristic bastards, you die.
Hopefully by Napalm, my counter-terror medicine. try fuking your 72 virgins with a burned dick I say. Im tired of it.
Carry on.
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soon after Pearl Harbour the USA rounded up all Japanese immigrants into camps.
True,
But that wasn't the question I asked. I'm wondering what the British would have done in WW2 given what was repoted in todays news. I would think that some portion of Britain Muslims population are not going to be very happy at the news of their Heroes death.
[ 10-28-2001: Message edited by: newguy2 ]
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what can be said? Drop more bombs, you're getting bonus kills. The wackos are going to afghanistan to get bombed. Since when has an enemy done such favors?
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I am confident that the British will handle this with both fairness, and firmness. They are a very competent people.
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Cool, 3 down, how many to go?
Let's send all the folks who boohoo and whince over folks displaying the American Flag. Golly, we're so worried about offending a minority around here, its stupid.
Heck, let's send the Berkley, California Citu Council to Kabul (soon to be renamed "KaBoom") and all these other peace hippies on over.
Just watched a nice BBC documentary on how *wonderful* the Taliban Regime is. Lotsa public executions, women being flogged for any ole reason and the list goes on.
Amazing how folks fret over a few civilian casualties while the folks in NYC still pick up pieces of 6,000+ human remains. Its too bad they do not show the carnage at ground zero, maybe that would wake some people up and realize that this world isn't a big "happy-feel good-group hug" kinda world. Barney the Dinosaur is extinct, and his dopey "We love you" followers need to get with it.
Oops. I ranted. Blame the beer :D
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Its a good start.
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newguy - a very hypothetical question. I don't think there has ever been a German community comparable in any size to the largely Pakistani communities around Sheffield and Rotherham (where I live). And certainly not in Bradford.
I can't see there being an uprising over this. Perhaps there might be more riots in Bradford, but they were happening before all this started.
The asian communities in Britain (whether Indian, Pakistani, Afghani or whatever) are pretty scared right now because recent developments in Afghanistan. Racists don't descriminate, it would seem.
As for the two 'conditions for citizenship' - the British government already demands the latter one, naturally, and there are likely going to be new regulations about language introduced in the upcoming changes to Assylum seekers legislation.
Cabby - have I ever said 'I am a liberal'? I don't think I have. Largely because I don't subscribe to the narrow minded pigeon holing which demands that you are either on one side of the argument or the other.
[ 10-29-2001: Message edited by: Dowding ]
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Dowding
I have devolped an new respect for ya bud. No offense intended really! I had ya pegged for a "Berkeley" type.
My own feelings on the matter. ANYONE who wants to go and be part of the cannon fodder...good. These dopes just don't realise that the coalition has yet to even scratch the surface of what it's capable of.
Tumor
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Why is it that only the english speaking western countries hold these daft beleifs about being PC all the damn time. No one else does.
Move to Holland. The Dutch EXPECT you to learn dutch and give me real funny looks when I tell em I dont shreckin wanna learn dutch cos there's nowhere else in the world that I cant speak English and be understood.
On Liberation Day the Cloggies display the DUTCH flag all over the country, despite me pointing out very loudly that it was us who shreckin liberated em.
Move to Japan. Bloody hell. You'll be in a sumo nappy in weeks.
But these tossers move to Britain....why? Cos they wanna be British? Bollocks. Cos they want free houses, food and beer. Yup.
Powell was right.
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Powell was right.
Yup. :D
Dowding..
I too have new respect for you.... <S!>
And good luck... how you guys solve this may help us solve our own upcomming 'enclave' questions.
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British warm beer? Yuk
I dont think thats a factor. Free housing perhaps ;)
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Ok, how bout this:
There was a case not so long ago of Romanian asylum seekers in England, they used to steal temporary traffic signals from road works and set em up somewhere they aint gonna attract too much attn.....leave em on red until a nice long stream of traffic has built up and then about 50 or so would decend on the stationary traffic begging, threatening and in some cases smashing windows and grabbing what they could.
After such incidents local off licenses suddenly got very busy.
Now you imagine what the Saudi's would do if the British population out there tried toejam like that (quite appart from the alcohol penalties).
These scumbags know they'll get a slap on the wrist and asked nicely not to do it again.
Well not this time, ya leave the country to go fight for the enemy ya can sod right off if ya think you're getting back in afterwards.
What pisses me off more is that all the trouble over this is gonna be in my home country. They'll be riots, hate crimes, bleedin numpty reporters makin a big thing out of little johny abdullah when he gets a splinter. Britain aint gonna be a very nice place to live.
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P.S.
Hangtime, how do you know who Powell is? There plenty of Brits aint got a clue.....
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Hopefully by Napalm, my counter-terror medicine. try fuking your 72 virgins with a burned dick I say. Im tired of it.
what can be said? Drop more bombs, you're getting bonus kills.
Cool, 3 down, how many to go?
:D :D :D
ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Swoop
I may be wrong, but I thought it was just in California that they rounded up the Japanese? I am pretty sure it was not the whole country. Not even Hawaii?
Anyone know for sure?
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In what way was Powell right, Swoop?
Forced repatriation of all ethnic minorities was one of his policies. He was a racist, pure and simple.
If you mean his 'streets of blood' speech, it was proved wrong back in the 60s but I'm not so sure now.
I have no problem with people from ethnic minorities. I went to school with them, and some good friends from uni were Indian.
What I do have a problem with is people coming into this country, relying on the State for support and all the while bringing their hatreds and backwards thinking into play.
You want to come to this country? Then you accept we do things differently.
Practise your religion whatever it may be in private, but don't for one second expect militant attitudes to be tolerated.
I have some Czech assylum seekers living at the top of my street. They seem ok, but many people resent the method they were introduced. There was no consultation, no information regarding the type of people they are or their histories. The police were pretty much against the development on those grounds alone.
The other day, a satellite dish was fitted to the house. A satellite dish. For receiving satellite programs. With tax payers money. There's something wrong there.
We should follow the European example and build detention centres to sort out the 80% bogus applicants for those that genuinely need help.
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Our Powell is a big ugly black dude, currently wearing the Sec of State hat... used ta be Chairman; Joint Chiefs, and has a reputation for makin toejam dissapear.
Wanna borrow him? We want him back afterwards. :D
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Caught up on Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad today, Dowding.
Man, kicked out of both Syria and Saudi Arabia, quite a guy you got there :)
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When you enter my country, I don't care what religion you practise provided:
a) You learn English and teach English to your children as their first language
b) Abide by our laws and particularly those laws that protect our civil rights.
There's a lot of ill-feeling and resentment of Pakistani people around here - it's
sometimes hard to avoid getting caught up in it. It's a real 'them and us' situation at
times, especially recently.
Right on, Dowding. Nothing liberal about that Cabby, its the law. You want to live here? Your rights end where my rights begin.
If I would ever want to live over in the middle east, I would certainly abide by their rules. I wouldn't say my cultural origins are being corrupted. sigh.. why dont they get it? If it were any more logical, it'd hit them in the face.
oct out!!
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amusing when a lib starts to sound like a conservative :)
maybe there's hope for ya yet Dowding..
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Im impressesd Dowding!!!!
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Dowding: I have always enjoyed your posts, They got some good debates started, whether I agreed with you or not. :) this thread put you up a couple notches on my respect meter, for whatever that is worth.
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I'm sounding like a conservative?
Maybe I'm just getting old, eh? ;) :D
Fatty - that's a consequence of an easily abused system of assylum and, more specifically, immigration. Isn't this the chap who effectively 'stole' a mosque by intimidation then misappropiated funds donated by the people who used to worship there, for unknown purposes?
[ 10-29-2001: Message edited by: Dowding ]
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whatever you have done with the real dowding will be forgiven - just hand him over safely, stop posting in his name and we need not involve the authorities.
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Didn't see that Dowding, but I did see they're so extreme they've been banned even from universities. The London Times had a few sections (http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,8-2001373943,00.html) on them as well as a link to the Al-Muhajiroun website.
The website is amusing in that on the very same page it praises the British muslims that have gone to fight against the UK and US, it criticizes UK authorities for unfairly targetting Al-Muhajiroun leaders for investigation :rolleyes:
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LOL fatty.
I like to think of Afghanistan as one big roach motel. The more bugs it attracts, the more bugs we can kill.
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Same problem here.
Even worse: these guys whine about not getting enough in welfare and that the danes don't wanna integrate with them.
Well, it's hard to interact with someone who has lived in Denmark for the last 8 years yet don't speak a word of Danish.
Even worse, these whiners complain about their welfare check. It's quite a bit more than I get. Then they ship toejamloads of money outta the country to their relatives and "non profit" religious organisations.
Yah, am fed up with it too.
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British Muslims killed in Afghanistan by US strikes...
should read
Imported Smoking Idiots
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Hhhhhmmm. I thknk we have a possible solution for that nasty immigration situation that I saw mentioned here. As far as those 3 "fighters" are concerned, Britain no longer has an undesirable immigrant taking up space in England. This could be the start of a new trend. Britain could render some additional support for future Afghani "fighters" by assisting them in moving to a Taliban location. This should be done with GPS coordination so that all sides know the arrival location and time. Mr. cruise missle could follow up the festivities on their arrival. :)
Mav
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Treason ah get the gallows ready boys we're a gonna have ourselves a lynchin' and a BAR-B-QUE tonight!
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omg i just realized something its a non EXTREME-LEFTIST post by DOWDING.
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I have no problem with people from ethnic minorities. I went to school with them, and some good friends from uni were Indian.
What I do have a problem with is people coming into this country, relying on the State for support and all the while bringing their hatreds and backwards thinking into play.
You want to come to this country? Then you accept we do things differently.
amusing when a lib starts to sound like a conservative ;)
Hmmm... Do we have to brand everything "liberal" or "conservative"? It's just plain common sense. I am an immigrant myself. I have seen the system being abused and I agree with Dowding on this issue 100%. I resent paying for someone who, effectively, is a parasite leeching onto a very liberal society and milking it for what it's worth.
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Originally posted by -lynx-:
Hmmm... Do we have to brand everything "liberal" or "conservative"? It's just plain common sense. I am an immigrant myself. I have seen the system being abused and I agree with Dowding on this issue 100%. I resent paying for someone who, effectively, is a parasite leeching onto a very liberal society and milking it for what it's worth.
[ 10-31-2001: Message edited by: -lynx- ]
Dunno about UK but here in the states, it's the liberals who push such gov handouts to immigrants and our lazy ones who sit around saying "whoa poor pitiful me", not the conservatives who believe we should all carry our own weight.
thus the "branding" ...
When someone speaks as both you & Dowding are speaking, you are called a conservative here in the states. Insensitive to other's needs, blah, blah, bs, & more bs...
"It's just plain common sense."
as for the above statement - it is a trait lacking in many if not most of our liberal policies.
Shame it takes the onset of WW3 for some to see the light...better late than never I guess.
[ 10-31-2001: Message edited by: Eagler ]
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Well, here in the UK the system is so abusable that it's no wonder that millions are poured down the drain.
A refugee can wait for years for his case to be considered by the authorities. He/she aren't allowed to work for the 1st 6 months and are receiving government assistance to live on. He/she can work after 6 months but does not have to (nor is encouraged to for that matter). They used to get cash (not alot but more than an average unemployment cheque) - now they get vouchers (quite a daft idea). Housing tab is picked up by the local council of the area they happened to be in - I used to know a couple of girls leaving in a lovely flat overlooking Regents Park in London - £1,500/month all paid for... Many people are waiting for council subsidized accomodation to find that "fresh arrivals" jump the queue all the time. In the areas with high unemployment and poverty all this doesn't go down very well and tensions rise, especially when these unfortunate people are shoved in substantial numbers into a council estate somewhere.
They have no English nor desire to learn it/blend into a community, nothing to do...
In the aftermath all TV stations show some guy or other speaking through an interpreter :rolleyes: telling how much he hates people of Glasgow and that he want to go back to Iran as it is safer for him there... I do not justify actions of anyone who had nothing better to do but to knife that particular refugee (circumstances of the actual case are carefully avoided in all reports) but the whole situation could have been avoided altogether had someone at the Home Office had more brain power to organise the whole thing differently...
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Extreme-leftist view? lol
What planet do you live in hobodog? Or more specifically, what kind of community? What's your frame of reference? I'd agree with you if you were comparing me to the views of an ardent neo-nazi, but compared to the opinions of most people in Britain I'd say my views are pretty moderate with a liberal slant on some, maybe most (but not all) issues.
I agree 100% lynx. The whole immigration/assylum issue needs re-examining and designing. At the moment it doesn't help the people it should help.
If you want to come to Britain and you have a genuine case for assylum, I'll gladly agree to my taxes being used to help you out. Hell, if you moved in next door to me I'll help all I can.
If you have skills valuable to this country and pursue a religion not in conflict with our laws, culture or way of life then you're welcome by all means. But you must learn English.
But if you're coming on a bogus assylum case, like the look of our social security system and think you can import your prejudices by creating some little enclave separate from the rest of Britain - forget it, you're on the next flight home.
It's a shame that 80% of all assylum seekers fall into the last catergory. This island is too small for it to be tolerated, as far as I am concerned.