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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: FUNKED1 on July 04, 2006, 11:34:24 PM
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WTG (http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/07/04/cia.binladen.ap/)
This opens more resources for domestic spying. Frog, water, pot, burner, etc.
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its not really what the article says at all...
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The part of the CIA that hunted for Bin Laden has been shut down. You can spin it any way you want though.
Our government is hunting for Bin Laden just like OJ is on the trail of Nicole's real killer.
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they were folded into other groups doing the same thing. You can spin it any way you want to as well but neither of us knows if its really a good thing or a bad thing.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
WTG (http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/07/04/cia.binladen.ap/)
This opens more resources for domestic spying. Frog, water, pot, burner, etc.
BOOSH IS TEH HITLER!
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Originally posted by Nash
BOOSH IS TEH HITLER!
#@#$ing southerners
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Ahm just being a dick. :)
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Originally posted by Nash
Ahm just being a dick. :)
You can change your major you know.......
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He had it coming. :D
And it was very theraputic. But I'm over it now.
He raises a good question.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Our government is hunting for Bin Laden just like OJ is on the trail of Nicole's real killer.
Coffee on keyboard moment; thanks. :lol
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Our government is hunting for Bin Laden just like OJ is on the trail of Nicole's real killer.
So true
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Anyone else notice Funky turning into a commie pinko?
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He became a teacher so becoming a commie pinko is a defense mechanism.
lazs
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That unit has been looking for bin laden for over 10 years. I think it's time they gave the job to someone else.
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Originally posted by lukster
That unit has been looking for bin laden for over 10 years. I think it's time they gave the job to someone else.
Yeah....how about to the same guys who saw WMD's......
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Originally posted by lazs2
He became a teacher so becoming a commie pinko is a defense mechanism.
lazs
We really need to be worried when he gives up his guns and starts quoting Noam Chomsky.
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being a gun owner teacher is ok so long as no one knows about it.
lazs
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This is funny
NYT HEADLINES: "CIA Shuts down bin laden unit"
Liberal conclusion: "the CIA is no longer looking for bin laden"
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Funked a liberal.
BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Anyone else notice Funky turning into a commie pinko?
It's old news... remember a couple of years ago at Chino? He was wearing a "celebrate diversity" t-shirt. :)
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Did we ever come close?
We had him in the desert, I think in early 1999, in southern Afghanistan, in February. He was staying with a group ... from the United Arab Emirates [UAE] with whom the United States has very good political relations. My Afghans tracked bin Laden to that camp. ...
We could have struck with either cruise missiles, B-1 or B-2 bomber. Again, the question was collateral damage: What about the Arabs that are there in the camp? What about our relations with the UAE? ... The bottom line was, we didn't take a shot, and we missed him. I don't think we ever came that close again, other than December of 2001 at Tora Bora.
[Did] you advocate it?
Oh, absolutely. Bin Laden's organization had just bombed two embassies in Africa, killed hundreds, wounded thousands, and he was a mass murderer. ... He wasn't just some strange Arab who wandered in and they gave him desert hospitality; they knew exactly who he was. I've said several times in the past, "If you lie down with the dogs, you're going to wake up with fleas."
So my advice was: "Take the shot. We won't get another one, and we'll regret not doing this." ...
How intensely do you argue in moments like that?
You argue till you're told to shut up and that the decision's been made. ...
Help me understand the food chain then. It goes from you in Islamabad to where and whom?
The chain of command would be from me, as chief of station, back to the chief of the Near East Division and to the chief of CTC, who then would be working up to the director of central intelligence, DCI, who would then be taking people like those two gentlemen ... down to the NSC, to the White House, to absolutely put everything out on the table.
Of course, something like that would take the president actually to give the authority to do the strike. ...
It went upstairs.
It went upstairs, and went down to the White House. Actually, the debate went on for over a week, because he was there for several weeks. I'd wake up in the morning, go in; I'd get a question: "What tent is bin Laden sleeping in?" ... Then we got one that said, "Where does he go to the bathroom at?" And I said: "I don't have a clue, and even if I knew, what difference would it make? He doesn't go on a schedule!"
Questions like "Which tent are they using as a mosque? Where do they go to pray?" You're looking at a picture from above. How do I know? ... You're getting down into the nitty-gritty, that it was impossible to answer. It just seemed to me at the time that, especially coming out of the NSC, this was a way to find a reason not to do it, rather than to find a way to get the job done.
But Clinton had signed eight or 10 findings that you could kill him?
I think everybody knew and realized we could kill bin Laden. The problem was, we were going to kill a bunch of these Arabs. ... They could have been some of the sons of the ruler of Abu Dhabi, [the capital of UAE], or Dubai. Who knew who they were? The risk of damaging our relationship with them in an area where we don't have a lot of good friends, and the fact that they were buying a whole fleet of F-16 fighter aircraft, all of those factors weighed into the decision that said: "No, we'll get him another time. There will be more shots. There will be more opportunities."
And your understanding, admittedly secondhand at least, of how Tenet acquitted himself during this process? ...
It was my impression, in the field, that he made a strong case for it, but that it was coming out of the NSC, where there was this hesitation to take bin Laden out sitting in the midst of a group of Gulf Arabs. ... To some extent, maybe [counterterrorism expert] Dick Clarke also.
Clarke?
That was what we were told out in the field -- that's coming second- or thirdhand -- ... that Clarke had been one of the individuals generating a lot of questions about who was in the camp, how the camp was laid out, where was bin Laden. ...
Isn't that interesting? Because of course Dick Clarke ... has made himself famous as an anti-Osama bin Laden warrior.
He's very strong on it. I just think that the circumstances at that camp, with the people that were there hosting bin Laden, were such that, whether it was him personally or more the whole group around there saying, "We can get bin Laden later in a situation where we're not killing people, maybe, who are our friends" -- although if they're sitting with a mass murderer who claims he's at war with America, what kind of friends are they? ...
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I guess it is incorrect to say that the CIA was unable to "find" bin Laden in their 10 year search. Their hands appear to have been somewhat tied.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4540958/
“We were not prepared to take the military action necessary,” said retired Gen. Wayne Downing, who ran counter-terror efforts for the current Bush administration and is now an NBC analyst.
“We should have had strike forces prepared to go in and react to this intelligence, certainly cruise missiles — either air- or sea-launched — very, very accurate, could have gone in and hit those targets,” Downing added.
Gary Schroen, a former CIA station chief in Pakistan, says the White House required the CIA to attempt to capture bin Laden alive, rather than kill him.
What impact did the wording of the orders have on the CIA’s ability to get bin Laden? “It reduced the odds from, say, a 50 percent chance down to, say, 25 percent chance that we were going to be able to get him,” said Schroen.
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Dick Clark has a problem with osama?!?!?! How come??? Did he refuse to appear on American Bandstand or something????
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Originally posted by Sandman
It's old news... remember a couple of years ago at Chino? He was wearing a "celebrate diversity" t-shirt. :)
Now that you bring it up... I have a pic around here somewhere.
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So you're a liberal if you want to see those who attacked two American cities found and executed at all costs? I guess I'm a liberal then.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I guess I'm a liberal then.
:cool:
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
So you're a liberal if you want to see those who attacked two American cities found and executed at all costs? I guess I'm a liberal then.
Please define "at all costs".
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Oh I don't know, maybe $300 Billion (http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182) or so. I bet they could have found him for $300B. Guess we'll never know.
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It's too early to find him yet.
What legitimate political purpose would it serve to find him right now?
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
So you're a liberal if you want to see those who attacked two American cities found and executed at all costs? I guess I'm a liberal then.
No, you are more of an idiot if you assume we aren't looking for him because the unit was disbanded.
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It certainly doesn't appear to be a high priority.
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okay . . . i'm trying to catch up on this one . . . we got "liberal" we got "idiot" have we moved on to positive adjectives or is it "we pejorate therefore we are" . . . sorta thing. foxnews meets decartes etc . . .
hap
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this could be a front to draw down OBLs defenses....no doubt the guy is tired of living in a defensive vacuum. Maybe the false belief that he is no longer under such tight restrictions might result in him showing up on a Predators camera somewhere......
Just a possibility.
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Originally posted by Furious
It's too early to find him yet.
What legitimate political purpose would it serve to find him right now?
What the hell does "political purpose" have to do with it? This man is responsible for the deaths of 1,500 Americans for christ's sake! If we thought it was worth going to war with a nation for merely harbouring him, shouldn't the job be finished and actually get him?
Originally posted by Gunslinger
No, you are more of an idiot if you assume we aren't looking for him because the unit was disbanded.
And you are an idiot if you think that's the point. Heck the US government could assign on guy, to investigate his were abouts for one hour a year and they would still be technically "looking for him".
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Originally posted by Thrawn
What the hell does "political purpose" have to do with it? This man is responsible for the deaths of 1,500 Americans for christ's sake!
Because he probably has been dead since 2001. To keep him him 'alive' in media is beneficial for both radical islamists and for the people waging "the war against terror". So Bin Laden will live forever, like Elvis.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
No, you are more of an idiot if you assume we aren't looking for him because the unit was disbanded.
Yeah, it's such a high priority for them that they've disbanded the unit. Nice spin.
What's idiotic is to believe that catching OBL was ever a priority at all. It was a priority only in that it furthered the PNAC agenda. Once it outlived its usefulness to that end, they pulled most of the forces out of Afghanistan and blew $300B on the cluster**** in Iraq. That's idiotic.
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Originally posted by Yeager
this could be a front to draw down OBLs defenses....no doubt the guy is tired of living in a defensive vacuum. Maybe the false belief that he is no longer under such tight restrictions might result in him showing up on a Predators camera somewhere......
Just a possibility.
The Jedi Mind Trick only truly works...well...in...movies... and only a few movies, to be more succinct
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Yes, of course, we've only had one small group of people working on finding bin Laden for the past 5 years or so. And right after bin Laden makes a small appearance to lionize Zarqawi for being martyred, they disbanded that one and only unit looking for him. Sure. It was in the news and on the Internet. It must be true.
:noid
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Originally posted by Makarov9
We really need to be worried when he gives up his guns and starts quoting Noam Chomsky.
Funked manufactures teh consent.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Yeah, it's such a high priority for them that they've disbanded the unit. Nice spin.
What's idiotic is to believe that catching OBL was ever a priority at all. It was a priority only in that it furthered the PNAC agenda. Once it outlived its usefulness to that end, they pulled most of the forces out of Afghanistan and blew $300B on the cluster**** in Iraq. That's idiotic.
If that where the case it would have been leaked to the New York Times long ago and we all would have read about it.
FROM YOUR LINK:
The CIA said hunting bin Laden remains a priority, but resources needed to be directed toward other people and groups likely to initiate new attacks.
sounds like good logic to me. Did they make you get a labotomy when you got your union card?
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Don't you have some wings to wipe ****stick?
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Don't you have some wings to wipe ****stick?
nope,
I don't turn wrenches.......my new job is very similar to teaching except I yell alot and in 2 weeks they give me a big wide brimmed hat.
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Or this could be closer to the reason, as stated by Michael Scheuer, former head of the CIA's Bin Laden desk, in the Frontline Program, "The Darkside",
It was a nightmare. I know Tenet was briefed repeatedly by the head of the bin Laden department, that any invasion of Iraq would break the back of our counterterrorism program, and it was just ignored. Maybe the part of the agency that dealt with Iraq was eager to get rid of the problem and tried to do it, but the counterterrorism section of the agency thought it was really shooting your foot with a great big gun, because compared to Al Qaeda and what it represents, Saddam was a zero threat. ...
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compared to Al Qaeda and what it represents, Saddam was a zero threat.
But... but... HE KILLED HIS OWN PEOPLE! :O
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He had a scary mustache too.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
No, you are more of an idiot if you assume we aren't looking for him because the unit was disbanded.
We're "looking for him? My god, the guy is now forced to use shoddy audio tapes to "broadcast" to the world and yet we "are always one step behind". Heck, maybe we'll get him when he uses 8-tracks or reel-to-reel.
Nothing idiotic about his statement, he is correct. They play shell game with the current events. Throw in an article or write up on Bin Laden every other week, and "business as usual".
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Hmmm, I watched Dubya's press conference Friday and he said it's all lies. The unit is not and will not be shut down.
Now, is the prez that far out of touch that he doesn't know they shut it down or is this all a big diversion and Dubya just blew it?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
nope,
I don't turn wrenches.......my new job is very similar to teaching except I yell alot and in 2 weeks they give me a big wide brimmed hat.
do people call you "sarge"?
cause that would be the kewlest
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tuff towlie is dead.
CNN keeps him alive.
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(http://www.rarevideo.com/videos/5572.jpg)
:cool:
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well sandie... not only did he kill his own people but he was beating up on the neighbors... he was kinda making it tough to do business in the area and he was allways looking for a way to make a bigger and better bomb.
So long as we need oil and so long as we want the jews to have a place to live we will have to be in the area..
The area is much better without the sadman.
lazs
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Since the lefties wanted Saddam in power so much how about we make him governor of Kalifornia.
Sorry lazs. ;)
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Originally posted by lukster
Since the lefties wanted Saddam in power so much...
Name three that have stated so.
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Originally posted by lazs2
So long as we need oil and so long as we want the jews to have a place to live we will have to be in the area..
We are in agreement. Iraq has never been about oil. It's about Israel. Always has been.