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Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Kev367th on July 05, 2006, 04:52:18 PM
AMD has released two updates (June 2006) that may help your problems -

AMD Dual-Core Optimizer (maybe the one to fix spinning clipboard with two cores enabled)

AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual Core Processor Driver for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 Version (x86 and x64 exe) 1.3.2

Avail here -

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_13118,00.html


The
AMD Dual-Core Optimizer

Maybe useful for all Windows OS - 2000, XP, XP64
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: TheCage on July 05, 2006, 09:44:36 PM
I tried the patch, and AH now works in the XP mode with at least an ATI video card.   So far no problems :D
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Condor93 on July 06, 2006, 12:59:24 AM
Kev,

Does the game run any better using both processors, vs running in Win98 emulation mode using only one processor?
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Kev367th on July 06, 2006, 01:13:45 AM
Yes it does.
Skuzzy has said lots of times AH2 is multithreaded and will take advantage of extra processors or cores.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Skuzzy on July 06, 2006, 07:17:43 AM
Yes, the game has the potential to run smoother if you can run multi-core.  I would like to hear from more dual core users as to whether or not this patch will fix thier problems with Aces High II.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Kev367th on July 06, 2006, 10:23:22 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Yes, the game has the potential to run smoother if you can run multi-core.  I would like to hear from more dual core users as to whether or not this patch will fix thier problems with Aces High II.


As I am using Windows 2000 I only used the "AMD Dual-Core Optimizer" patch.

No detrimental effects up to now, nothing seems different either, but as Win 2000 doesn't have problems with dual core CPUs I was kind of expecting this result anyway.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Skuzzy on July 06, 2006, 03:19:50 PM
Kev, when did you add this?  Did the CTD's start after that?  Or were they happening before?
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Kev367th on July 06, 2006, 03:33:55 PM
Before I added Skuzzy.

Right after the last patch.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Skuzzy on July 06, 2006, 03:43:05 PM
Just checking.  I want to be sure this AMD patch does not introduce other anomalies.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Hajo on July 06, 2006, 04:18:34 PM
Skuzzy.....you spell much better then HT..just thought I'd let ya know. :aok
  (sheeesh he used the word anul.....annel...same as issues)


I built this machine using an amd64 4000+ Clawhammer because of dual core issues...if these patches clear this up I'm gonna cry.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Skuzzy on July 06, 2006, 05:11:16 PM
It was/is only a matter of time before Microsoft or AMD fixed the problems with dual-core CPU's and Windows XP.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: soda72 on July 06, 2006, 05:46:35 PM
I installed the "AMD Dual-Core Optimizer" patch.

 I am using:

Windows 2000
AMD 64 X2 4200+
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: TheCage on July 06, 2006, 08:34:34 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Just checking.  I want to be sure this AMD patch does not introduce other anomalies.


Skuzzy I have a AMD 4400+ with a ATI X1900 video card.  Since the patch the game has run smooth, no problems as of yet.   Been able to run the game with all the sliders all the way up.   As of yet no CDT problems, nor any graphic adnormalities.   As to whether or not it makes any differences running in single or dual processor mode, I don't see much difference other then the graphics seem run a bit smoother.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Wolfala on July 06, 2006, 11:26:41 PM
Patched. Works just fine. No stutters, no varience spikes b/c of power management.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Skuzzy on July 07, 2006, 07:15:36 AM
I am particularly interested in the users who have dual-core AMD CPU's and are running Windows XP.  If you post in this thread, please note the OS and which CPU you are running.

Thank you.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Wolfala on July 07, 2006, 10:55:31 AM
OK, AMD 64 X2 4400
XP Pro patched to SP2
2 GIG RAM
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: RedDg on July 07, 2006, 05:31:40 PM
AMD Opteron 170
XP Pro SP2

Had to run AH2 in Win98/Win ME compatibility mode because of this issue.  Installed the patch and rebooted.  Took AH2 out of compatibility mode and NO MORE spinning clipboard.


Spent about 15 mins in game and didn't see any issues.  :aok
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Wolfala on July 07, 2006, 06:38:54 PM
Spent between 2 and 3 hours last night. Lost 2 ME262's within 15 minutes due to a lucky Nik and a unfortunate midair with debris. No stutters, constant frame rates and varience was 0 right down the middle.

Also noticed no crashes with other legacy games such as Freespace 2 since the update.

Wolf
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: TheCage on July 07, 2006, 07:23:45 PM
AMD 64 X2 4400
XP Multimedia 2005 patched to SP2
2 GIG RAM
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Skuzzy on July 10, 2006, 09:24:26 AM
bump
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: eagl on August 01, 2006, 05:59:29 AM
Do I have to run a repair install if I upgrade from single core to dual core?  I'm not too keen on hacking in the multi-cpu HAL and right now it's listed as "ACPI Uniprocessor PC", so I'm wondering if I'll have to do the repair install bit, then add the AMD patches.

Anyone know?
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Kev367th on August 01, 2006, 10:59:33 PM
Depends, it seems very hit or miss, either -

a) It will detect the dual core CPU and install the ACPI Multiprocessor HAL for you..

OR

b) You will have to manually change the HAL.

Then install the patch at the top of this thread.

If using XP you need SP2 installed.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: eagl on August 02, 2006, 12:35:36 AM
Thanks.  I'll try just plunking it in and seeing what happens.  After a full backup of course...
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Kev367th on August 02, 2006, 09:43:56 AM
Make sure your BIOS is up to a version that supports dual core CPU's.
Title: Intel Dual Core CPU
Post by: Bravo80 on August 06, 2006, 05:29:54 PM
Dell 1805, 2.16 Intel Dual Core Processor, XP Pro, ATI Video Card, 2GB Ram, 100 MB Hard Drive.  I'm getting the spinning clipboard phenomenon.

Is there any fix for it with the intel processor ?
Title: AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Eagle327 on August 22, 2006, 12:47:58 AM
Using AMD64 x2 Anthlon Dual core, WinXP and One Nvidia GeForce 7900 GTX.
Was using my optional Boot method "Use only one core '' for gaming.  That stopped the spinning clipboard.

Downloaded and installed the "NEW" AMDX2DUAL core OPTIMIZER Driver.

Now AH2 runs smooth and sweet 75 FPS will all sliders maxed using both cores.

Have another slot for a 2nd GTX video.
MoBo Could load a 2nd video 7900 and run in SLI, but I heard AH2 doesn't like SLI at present.....any new experience or news on this ?

Thanks, Ke367th, for the tip.

Specs:
AMD Athlon 64 X2  2.00Ghz 128kb primary cache, 512 2ndary cache
nVidia Geforce 7900 GTX  WinXP home.
Realtek AC'97 Audio sound card.
250 GB Seagate HD.
Comcast Hi-speed internet cable with Linksys cable router to 2 other computers.

Thanks,
Eagle   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: OOZ662 on August 22, 2006, 01:38:26 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Eagle327
Realtek AC'97 Audio sound card.


Yup. Buy a sound card. Onboard sound uses your system RAM instead of its own, eats CPU timing, and in general has poorly written drivers. A sound card has all of these things on board, and hopefully has better written drivers. The Sound Blaster Audigy II series works great.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Eagle327 on August 24, 2006, 03:45:48 PM
Thanks OOZ......

Is anyone having any luck running AH2 using 2 nVidia Geforce 7900 GTX video cards in SLI mode ?  (or any similar cards ?)

If it is possible, I should prolly buy a 2nd card soon in order to get an exact match.

(S)
Eagle
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: OOZ662 on August 24, 2006, 03:55:11 PM
As Krusty said, with SLI, you're paying 200% price for 105% performance with SLI. It's a huge cost overhead.

It has been working, though you need a custom file, if I remember right.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Wolfala on August 24, 2006, 05:11:49 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Eagle327
Thanks OOZ......

Is anyone having any luck running AH2 using 2 nVidia Geforce 7900 GTX video cards in SLI mode ?  (or any similar cards ?)

If it is possible, I should prolly buy a 2nd card soon in order to get an exact match.

(S)
Eagle



I have 2 7900 GTX's running SLI. Maybe not in AH, but the overhead in AH isn't so horrific that it would make any difference in frame rates. Works just fine in everything else.

Wolf
Title: SUCCESS
Post by: eagl on August 26, 2006, 08:47:02 AM
Successful upgrade from A64 3700 to A64 X2 4400.

Opened case, swapped cpu, closed case.
Fired up windows.  It detected the second cpu.  Rebooted.
Installed dual core driver and optimizer, plus some MS hotfix I read about somewhere.  Rebooted a few times.

AH runs just fine.  Able to run 4x FSAA now, with FRs locked at 60 using 1280x1024 resolution and high-res textures.  6800GT AGP vid card, 2 gig ram.

Nice little upgrade overall, and fairly cheap too with the recent AMD price cuts.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Pudgie on August 26, 2006, 03:44:42 PM
I had installed the MS Hotfix previously & it worked most of the time, but every once in a while AHII would not run right, usually straightens out after a restart of AHII.

But since I installed AMD X2 Dual Core Optimizer patch I have had absolutely no problems whatsoever in any program or game.

See sig for setup.

:)
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: SEpiper on August 26, 2006, 07:26:56 PM
installed the optimizer fix works great no problems as of yet.


xp pro
amd x2 3800
1 gb ram
dual nvidia 7600's  in sli mode
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Mr No Name on November 07, 2006, 05:22:42 PM
i never had the spinning clipboard until AFTER i installed update grrrrrr!
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: FOGOLD on November 08, 2006, 08:02:26 AM
Having probbs with intel dual core(new laptop). Same symptoms, clipboard grey, spinning, lock up in tower etc.  Any fixes for that?
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Mr No Name on November 08, 2006, 11:49:39 AM
Deleted, didnt read the previous post properly.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Mr No Name on November 08, 2006, 01:50:47 PM
I reinstalled the update above and it really made a difference... My system overall is faster my aquamark and 3dmark scores significantly improved!  (15 to 20%)
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Atoon on November 23, 2006, 10:00:58 AM
AMD athlon 64x2 3800, with 2048 MBs of Ram
directX 9.0c
Nvidia Geforce 7600 GS
Soundblaster audigy
Windows XP home edition

I had the spinning clipboard before this fix was out, and I was advised to run the game on just one processor. Can anyone give me step by step directions on how to use the patch & get the dual processors running correctly?
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Atoon on November 24, 2006, 06:09:15 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Atoon
AMD athlon 64x2 3800, with 2048 MBs of Ram
directX 9.0c
Nvidia Geforce 7600 GS
Soundblaster audigy
Windows XP home edition

I had the spinning clipboard before this fix was out, and I was advised to run the game on just one processor. Can anyone give me step by step directions on how to use the patch & get the dual processors running correctly?




anyone??
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Kev367th on November 24, 2006, 07:38:06 PM
Easy -

Download it and install it.

Windows doesn't save processor affinity (setting single core) so you shouldn't have to alter anything else.

Unless

You created a shortcut to the AH2.exe file and set it to run in Win98 compatibility  mode.
In which case just delete the shortcut, then make a new one, without setting any compatibility modes.

Install both patches -

1) Dual core optimizer
2) AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual Core Processor Driver for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003

Then reboot.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: hogenbor on November 27, 2006, 01:05:44 PM
Upgraded today, graphics card blew on my old PC.

I'm running as of today:

Athlon 64 x 2 3800+
1Gb RAM
Windows XP home with SP2

ASUS EN7300GS graphics card (a budget choice) 256Mb.

Downloaded the suggested patches, re-configured my joystick and all is working again., had terrible graphics flickering and stuff before the patches.

However, I find the framerates disappointing, they are 20-ish, that's worse than what I had before with my Athlon 1700+ (with much lower settings for graphics though).  AH2 suggest using 1024 textures but it could/should all be quite a bit faster I think. Any suggestions? My last PC I had for almost four years so my tweaking knowledge is obsolete.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Atoon on December 17, 2006, 03:12:52 AM
I downloaded both & changed my shortcut backto 2000. Runnin smooth. Thanx:aok
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Brenjen on December 28, 2006, 06:01:34 PM
I just put in an FX-60 & I'm running XP home sp2

 I installed the new drivers, the optimizer & the hotfix listed on the AMD forums but I didn't do a clean install of Windows XP. I logged in for a while earlier to test it out & AHII ran pretty good, no spinning clipboard but it did freeze up on me one time. I've only had the CPU in for a few hours & this is my first dual core experience so I'm still tweaking it.

 If I find the game freezes on me anymore I may end up doing a clean install of XP & go from there. Being my first dual core I am not really sure what I'm doing, I checked the task manager to see if both cores were working & I saw activity on both CPU graphs so I assume they are but the device manager lists them both as "AMD processor model unknown" so I may have a problem that I'm unaware of at the moment.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Brenjen on December 30, 2006, 11:15:01 AM
OK, I had a few issues. I re-formatted my hard drive & did a fresh install of windows & AHII, put all the drivers, optimizers & hotfixes back on & I haven't had so much as a hiccup yet. I even OC'd the CPU to 3.1GHZ & it's still chugging along smoothly in AHII. No problems at all.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Pudgie on January 14, 2007, 09:20:22 PM
There ya go Brenjen making me weaken!



Couldn't stand it no longer & just bought a FX-60 for my box.

I figured that I'd better get it now while the 939-pin prices are reasonable.

'Cause when the supply of these dwindle, the price is gonna spiral back up!

I shouldn't have any problems though since my box is already patched up.

With this CPU I oughtta be golden for the next 2-3 years.




:D
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Pudgie on January 21, 2007, 07:16:57 PM
Life is indeed good!

See sig.

Best move yet!

Rock solid in AHII & everything else.

Yeah baby!!

:D
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Flame 2 the boy on January 24, 2007, 09:40:02 PM
UMM...when i click on the link to download the amd...it says Page Not Available.

is anyone else having this problem or is it just me? :huh
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Flame 2 the boy on January 25, 2007, 07:18:11 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Flame 2 the boy
UMM...when i click on the link to download the amd...it says Page Not Available.

is anyone else having this problem or is it just me? :huh


nevermind...i got it to work this morning :aok

Flameboy
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Ghastly on January 28, 2007, 02:35:36 AM
Caveat... I installed the June 2006 version in October, when I downloaded AH and had the spinning clipboard issue.  The game ran smooth and stablely.

I noticed that there is a newer version of the AMD dual core optimizer (November 2006) and that the earlier version is no longer shown, and so a few days ago I downloaded that.  

After installing it, the very first time I entered AH I CTD'ed.  The game was warpier than I've ever experienced, and I had screen freezes of as much as a half second duration.  Very much like what people who haven't installed it will sometimes report.

I restored to the system restore point with the June version, then reinstalled the June version to be sure it was actually installed properly, and the game again ran as it should.

If you find that your system performance suffers noticably after installing the November version of the AMD Dual Core optimer, you might consider trying to locate and install the June version.  I noticed in the thread that those who installed the patch after November seemed much less satisfied than those who installed it earlier in the year.

My system is a watercooled A8N-SLI Deluxe based system running an AMD 4600 processor and 4 GB of dual Channel RAM with an NVidia GEForce 7800GTX.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Brenjen on January 28, 2007, 12:36:56 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ghastly
Caveat...Very much like what people who haven't installed it will sometimes report.


 For the record. My AMD optimizer, AHII, mobo bios, chipset drivers, Nvidia VGA drivers, monitor drivers & the Hotfix are all current new release as of 12-29-2006. To clarify; I have installed it & my system runs AH with zero issues. No spinning clipboard, no CTD's. :aok
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: USRanger on January 30, 2007, 04:34:59 PM
Ghastly, I am having EXACTLY the situation you are describing on my new pc.  Where can I find that earlier patch? Anyone?  AH is so warpy on my new pc, it is unplayable.:(
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Brenjen on January 30, 2007, 05:38:07 PM
If you install a dual core chip into a windows install that was set up on a single core chip it will act that way. You can do a fresh windows install & load all the up to date drivers & hot-fixes & that will solve all the issues, not just cover them up.:aok

 Those problems are exactly what I experienced going from a single core chip to a dual core & after reading up at AMD's forums they all recommended a fresh install of Windows & it worked like a charm. I haven't had one single hiccup since I did my dual core upgrade & fresh install in any program. Before I did it though AH locked up on me & was laggy.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Charge on February 12, 2007, 07:48:18 AM
AMD Athlon 4600 DC with AMD patches and MS hotfix installed on previous single core installation and I'm seeing spinning clipboard occasionally and experiencing frequent discos (previously none at all).

Also the game locks if I go to desktop with alt+tab.

I guess I need to try to reinstall the XP...

-C+
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: 68Ripper on February 16, 2007, 02:08:04 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
bump


Abusing Rule #13 ???

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: help
Post by: Verbal on April 10, 2007, 09:21:47 PM
i had the same issues, installed new drivers, optimizer, nad the windows kb906.... thing, still get all the issues. and now certain functions wont work. the keys can be typed but the functions wont respond.

xp pro
amd 64x2 2.4
2 G ram
gigabyte m55sli s4 mobo
geforce 5500 (old i know)

any ideas? new box, built from scratch, all new installs. and yes rthe vid card is old, gonna run 2 7300 gs's in a week or 2, cash fflow issues.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: FDutchmn on June 09, 2007, 08:38:10 PM
I wish I had seen this thread sooner...

Anyway, I have been using RunFirst as a workaround to AH freezing up.

The specs of my machine are:

AMD Athlon64 x2 Dual Core Processor 3800
2GB RAM
Radeon X1800XT 512MB

Running Japanese version of Windows XP Home Edition with SP2 applied.

I have applied the:
1. AMD Dual-Core Optimizer
2. AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor Driver for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 Version (x86 and x64 exe) 1.3.2
3. WindowsXP-KB896256-v4-x86-JPN.exe  (a rough translation of this by altavista... "When this renewal program is installed, power source management function of the processor is supported, the circumstance that is corrected it is times when performance decreases with the Windows based system which loads the plural processors.)

Before applying all this, Aces High would freeze up while in the game.  After applying all this, it runs pretty well... except... the old Alt-tab problem where you can't get back to the game seems to be back.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: 33Vortex on August 25, 2007, 09:21:42 AM
I'm running XP Pro (32 bit with all latest updates) and Vista Home Premium (64) on the same machine, parallel disks, hardware configuration as follows:

AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+
Corsair 2048 XMS2-6400
Asus GeForce 8800GTS 640MB
Dual Samsung 320GB SATA II (not RAID but parallel OS, selectable on boot)

I've found AH to run very poorly on Vista, framerates often drop below 20. On XP however the system consistently run at 59-60 fps (capped at 60) unless in a fight close to ground.

Is this patch for XP only or would Vista benefit from it too? Building my own PCs but I'm no hardware tech really, advanced user I'd say. Been trying to make AH run smooth on Vista but not found a fix yet.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: wizzer on September 16, 2007, 09:16:45 AM
Anyone tried this update yet?

Hate to be the first.....

AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual Core Processor Driver for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 Version (x86 and x64 exe) 1.3.2.0053

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_13118,00.html
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: moot on November 01, 2007, 07:59:22 AM
Had the flickering clipboard problem (and maybe some other stuff).  I played it safe and installed just one patch at a time, and the "Dual core optimizer" was enough for everything to get back to normal, great fps and all.

Specs are
Asus M2A-VM
AMD 64 X2 3600
1GB of ram
XFX Nvidia 7900GT 256MB, PCI express
Windows XP Pro v.2002, SP2
All latest drivers (except for Motherboard stuff which I just installed the OEM CD drivers)
DirectX 9c
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Melkor on November 05, 2007, 09:38:44 PM
I just returned to the game after a long hiatus.
I have the AMD Opteron 165, moderately overclocked.  The other advice in the Aces High support FAQ did not fix my spinning clipboard completely.  (MS patch, regedit Throttle Key,  updated AMD CPU driver, check for switch in boot.ini) These fixes resolved the issue on the first run, but after relogging,  the clipboard spun.

However, the  AMD Optimizer did fix the problem completely, I played 3 hours with no lag, stutters, or any problem whatsoever.  

Frame rates are insane at 1280x1024, i think my CPU upgrade blows away the single-core Athlon 64 I had installed in the same system.

I underclocked the GPU (AGP 6800XT) speed from 300 to 280 mHz to fix lockups happening in game.  Lowest framerates i see are in the high 70s.  My gunnery % is up about 10% from my old scores. Life is good, and its great to be back in AH!
-Melkor
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Getback on January 04, 2008, 09:15:23 AM
I've tried both the Optimizer and the MS KB patch from Microsoft, Neither has allowed me to run in dual core mode.

Skuzzy, when I went to set my compatibility mode to XP I didn't see that option. Did I overlook something? I tried windows 2000 instead. Again same thing, screen froze after a few minutes and then froze quicker after reboot. I've been in contact with amd about this. Plan on e-mailing them again when I get home. The one thing I noticed in their e-mail was that it's not both the AMD optimizer patch and the KB patch it is either or. At least that is how it came across in their e-mail. I tried just the KB patch last night.

Tonight I will try just the optimizer patch.
Title: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: BWC on February 17, 2008, 10:33:01 PM
I just downloaded the game today and the patch works great!
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: DrDea on March 12, 2008, 08:36:24 PM
 I had the spinning clip board after building my new computer.After all the windows updates including SP2 and the patches here,its fine.No prob.Make sure you have all the microcrap updates to windows and that your bios is up to date.
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Sincraft on June 28, 2008, 12:14:57 PM
amd sucks.  I'll never buy it again.  Even their mobo manufacturers are starting to loth making boards for their chips. Too much engineering needed as they find with the sub chip makers to get things done their way or to have to do it themselves. 

AMD is like comparing a chevy cobalt with a nissan maxima.  Sure you can drive as fast as the maxima but in the long run, you will be much happier with the maxima...but you WILL pay more.

Fortunately the difference between the two 'comparable' chips is very little in contrast thus, I will NEVER buy an AMD again.  We are in the process of ripping out a few servers that run AMD chips (opterons) which I hope to grab up the chips for my use as these ARE good chips actually.  Unfortunate for them, they had too many issues and the guy who made the decision at a company I do work for was burned by his AMD home build with flaky behaviors and chasing the issues for months only to discover some inherit flaws with his board and chip.  At that point, he and I realized the shortcuts that AMD takes to try to compete and find it alarming that they work as well as they do.

Unfortunately - M$ gets the blame for the crashes, while in actuality - their operating system is keeping it working better than it should.
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: TequilaChaser on July 16, 2008, 04:09:14 PM
amd sucks.  I'll never buy it again.  Even their mobo manufacturers are starting to loth making boards for their chips. Too much engineering needed as they find with the sub chip makers to get things done their way or to have to do it themselves. 

AMD is like comparing a chevy cobalt with a nissan maxima.  Sure you can drive as fast as the maxima but in the long run, you will be much happier with the maxima...but you WILL pay more.

Fortunately the difference between the two 'comparable' chips is very little in contrast thus, I will NEVER buy an AMD again.  We are in the process of ripping out a few servers that run AMD chips (opterons) which I hope to grab up the chips for my use as these ARE good chips actually.  Unfortunate for them, they had too many issues and the guy who made the decision at a company I do work for was burned by his AMD home build with flaky behaviors and chasing the issues for months only to discover some inherit flaws with his board and chip.  At that point, he and I realized the shortcuts that AMD takes to try to compete and find it alarming that they work as well as they do.

Unfortunately - M$ gets the blame for the crashes, while in actuality - their operating system is keeping it working better than it should.

and then again, some book taught people who never really had any HANDS ON EXPERIENCE, lay blame on the product and not on the person who set it all up.........

Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: a1945 on July 18, 2008, 12:08:39 PM
Hey Skuzzy, are you the hardware man er somethin because if you aare can you tell me this im running a intel core 2 duo inside running at 1.4 mghz, and a 8600GT Nvidia video card, how do i know im running both processors
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: a1945 on July 25, 2008, 02:01:40 AM
am i some kind of death sentence for threads er something? :uhoh
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: sethipus on August 06, 2008, 05:39:47 AM
I've installed the recommended patches, but AH still freaks out when I run it in native XP mode.  I've been running it just fine in Windows 95 compat mode for the last year and a half, but for whatever dumb reason no matter what I've tried I just can't get it working correctly in the native multi-core-using mode.

I've got an AthlonX2 4400, and I use a Geforce 8800gtx graphics card running at 1920x1200 on my 24" lcd.  Mind, this is almost always sufficient, with my framerate usually pegged at 60fps (I've got it set to 60 fps because that's what my lcd screen updates at), but I've had situations with massive numbers of planes within visual range where I dropped down into framerates low enough to be a distraction.  Not very often, but it has happened.
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: 100Coogn on August 17, 2008, 07:57:21 PM
   Just for kicks I decided to try AMD Optimizer on Vista.  So far so good.  My frame rate has increased considerably, and the time it takes to draw the maps have been cut as well.  I used to have to fly in short vis. mode, but now I can use full vis. and maintain 45fps, which is where I have the cap set to.  I also was able to bump my graphics up from 256 to 512.  I fly Flight Sim X too, and my fps jumped from 15 fps to 24 fps.  I have that capped at 24fps and it holds very steady.
   I'm using compatibilty mode '2000'.  Been playing for about 12 hours total with this setting, and no issues as of yet.  If I have any trouble with AMD Optimizer I will post back here.

System:
Acer Aspire E-380
AMD Athlon 64x2 Dual Core Proc. 4400+  2.30 GHz
RAM 2.00 GB
System Type 32 Bit
GeForce 6150 SE  nforce 430.0

 :salute 100Coogn
 
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: 4510 on September 30, 2008, 04:39:28 PM
Well....
I am newly upgraded to a AM2 4600 Dual Core and trying to sort through "issues".
Running Windows XP Home Edition
XFX PCIe 7300 Nvidia 512MB
2 GB Ram
SoundBlaster Live


I'm not getting a spinning clip board but I am getting a lot of system lockups.

Did the optimizer... and last night had a black screen lockup.  MS tried to do the error reporting and unfortunately I couldn't copy down the details.  The following is what displayed on a pre-optimizer lock up.

szAppName : aceshigh.exe szAppVer : 0.0.0.0 szModName : hungapp

szModVer : 0.0.0.0 offset : 00000000

C:\DOCUME~1\Kevin\LOCALS~1\Temp\WERe3b7.dir00\aceshigh.exe.mdmp

C:\DOCUME~1\Kevin\LOCALS~1\Temp\WERe3b7.dir00\appcompat.txt

I've not tried the Win 98 Compat idea yet.

Skuzzy... interested in sorting through this with you.  Let me know what information I need to send to you?



 

Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: TequilaChaser on October 19, 2008, 12:42:53 AM
heya Soup,
you need to do both patches

the AMD dual core optimizer patch and the MS WinXP hotfix patch..........
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: 4510 on October 19, 2008, 08:26:32 PM
TC,

Thanks,

I have SVC Pack 3 so I think the hotfix is already included in that?  no ?
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: TequilaChaser on October 19, 2008, 08:54:12 PM
TC,

Thanks,

I have SVC Pack 3 so I think the hotfix is already included in that?  no ?


not that I am sure of, Soup

Skuzzy posted this i the Technical Support Forum:
Quote
AMD DUAL CORE CPU's and the AMD OPTIMIZER PATCH (the easier way)

******NOTE:  If you opted to follow the preceeding instructions, then you DO NOT need to do the following.******

There is a problem with dual core AMD CPU's in Windows XP Home and Professional which causes several problems in the game.
These issues do not appear to be a problem with Windows 2000.  Only Windos XP.

To work around the problem, do this.

1. Right-click on the Aces High II startup ICON.
2. Select "Properties" from the popup menu.
3. Select the "Compatibility" tab.
4. Check the check box to run the game in Windows 98/ME compatibility mode.

Or, you can download a patch from AMD which addresses this, and several other, issues related to dual core CPU's.  Follow this link to obtain the patch.

Depending on what version of Windows XP you have, you may still need this patch.  (for Intel or AMD CPUs) Check to see if the mandatory Windows XP Hotfix Patch: KB896256 (NOT automatically downloaded with Windows Update) is installed.  You do this by going to the "Add/Remove Programs" ICON in the Control Panel and review the list of installed software.
If the patch is not listed as being installed, then download KB896256 XP patch and install it.

KB896256 XP patch
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=C2AB5A48-8240-4934-BBD8-34FB8A0FCE3B&displaylang=en

AMD Dual-Core Optimizer Version 1.1.4
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_13118,00.html

after I installed a new XP pro install and SP3 I still had to download both patches and install to get my X2 6400 to work right

good luck
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: 4510 on October 19, 2008, 09:04:11 PM
TC,

Thanks... tried the windows hotfix... but it told me that the SVC Pack version I had was newer and there was no need to install this patch.

Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: TequilaChaser on October 20, 2008, 12:28:05 AM
TC,

Thanks... tried the windows hotfix... but it told me that the SVC Pack version I had was newer and there was no need to install this patch.



Good to hear, I Think, if all is working well for you, then you should be good to go........if you are still having problems....go to add/remove programs and at the top click on/mark the check box to "show All Updates".....then verify that the: KB896256 XP patch  is indeed installed..........

but sounds like you got it all under control......

look forward to flying a few sorties with you or against ya in the near future   


 :salute    Soup
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Delirium on December 02, 2008, 02:18:21 AM
Just checking, it is safe enough to install SP3, it won't make my dual core optimizer driver fail?
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: TequilaChaser on December 03, 2008, 02:44:03 PM
Just checking, it is safe enough to install SP3, it won't make my dual core optimizer driver fail?

if it messes it up, Del, just reinstall the Dual Core Optimizer patch
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Delirium on December 03, 2008, 09:37:30 PM
Thanks TC!

Looks like I'll be busy tonight...
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Kenne on December 23, 2008, 09:38:40 PM
wow
i did all this and AH iruns!

i get 59 FPS in tower....is that good?

AMD athlon FX
2g mem corsair
ABN SLI premium
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: bockko on December 24, 2008, 10:45:55 PM
I just tried the game on my son's AMD X25200 XP computer. It ran fine offline, but when I went online I got the spinning clipboard. I then loaded the amd optimizer and went back online. I was able to fly one fight and mix it up with 6 nmy. The system did good, it stayed at the upper lock limit of 60 fps. I have not flown much for the last two years -- I do like the dual core experience! I may have to replace my 4 year old box and fly some more.
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: TheZohan on May 09, 2009, 12:20:15 AM
any updates on the phenom cored X2's?
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Ruler2 on June 06, 2009, 01:25:22 PM
Is there any dual core optimizer patch for VISTA yet?
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: TequilaChaser on July 09, 2009, 11:23:31 AM
UPDATE -

the AMD Dual Core Optimizer patch file, which is linked to in this thread at the beginning post and elsewhere.....

is no longer available on AMD's website!!!


Ghastly, bernjen and anyone else, who has backup copys of the June 2006,  November 2006, July 2008 AMD Dual Core Optimizer Patch files,

I would greatly appreciate it if you could email me a copy of each version ( except the Jul 2008 version 1.1.4 .... I already have this copy )

edit:*******************  just email me thru my profile on this bbs    I would greatly appreciate it


I feel that some of the older X2 AMD processors need the older versions to be able to play AH in WinXP, verses running AH2 in win98 compatibility mode

also the following Microsoft hotfix patch needs to be installed, especially if you are still using Win XP SP2 and you do not have your updates turned on or do not manually/selectively update your  winXP OS.......

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=C2AB5A48-8240-4934-BBD8-34FB8A0FCE3B&displaylang=en


SKUZZY,   is there a way to maybe host these older Dual Core Optimizer patch files on the HTC site since  the AMD site no longer are supporting them?

so certian AMD x2  Aces high players has some recourse to turn too?
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: moot on July 17, 2009, 10:33:40 AM
I think I've got the Aug. 14th 2008 version, if you need a copy.
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: 633DH98 on July 17, 2009, 12:32:46 PM
AMD 7850 running Win7RC64bit here, no need for Optimizer.   :)

The fiance's AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+ running Vista Home Premium SP1 32bit had the spinning clipboard but I was able to clear that by applying the Dual Core Optimizer.  The AMD page said it was Vista compatible at the time I downloaded it.  I have looked since to see if it is still on their site.
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: cattb on July 18, 2009, 04:24:18 AM
I have 2 versions amd optimizer 1.1.4. July 2008 and 1.1.3.0161 , I don't use them anymore was thinking of deleting them.
cattb
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: Ruler2 on July 18, 2009, 03:32:23 PM
AMD 7850 running Win7RC64bit here, no need for Optimizer.   :)

The fiance's AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+ running Vista Home Premium SP1 32bit had the spinning clipboard but I was able to clear that by applying the Dual Core Optimizer.  The AMD page said it was Vista compatible at the time I downloaded it.  I have looked since to see if it is still on their site.

wait,the patch IS compatible now? gosh...
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: TheZohan on July 19, 2009, 07:04:48 PM
i just setup another X2 7750 System no bug present .. i am thinking theres only in the brisbane cores and below ..
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: TilDeath on August 11, 2009, 02:40:54 PM
I think I've got the Aug. 14th 2008 version, if you need a copy.
IF anyone wants to email me the patches I will host them for people that need them.  I will not warranty any of the patches, or the subsiquent use on your system.  I will guarantee they will be malware, virus free.  If you have a patch and would not mind dropping me a line so I can get them onto my site.

TD
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: 633DH98 on August 11, 2009, 05:55:29 PM
Emailed the optimizer files from my Dell 1501 with AMD processor to you, TD.
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: TheZohan on August 11, 2009, 06:32:11 PM
i love those 939 optis! cudos on making it work!
Title: Re: For all you AMD X2 and XP users
Post by: TilDeath on August 11, 2009, 10:02:45 PM
here is a link for an Optimizer
http://tdcomputersystems.com/amd_dualcore.rar (http://tdcomputersystems.com/amd_dualcore.rar)