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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Staga on November 08, 2000, 03:05:00 PM
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You guys don't know how to play football but at least you know how to make cool looking planes and cars (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(http://www.mil.fi/joukot/satlsto/sisalto/v-8-mag3l.jpg)
btw: From 15 years ago hundreds old classic and muscle-cars were shipped to Finland (We got Bob Hopes Lincoln, one of E.Presleys Cadillacs, lots of GTO's, Hemi-Chargers/Challengers/'Cudas, at least one Boss 429 Mustang, Buick GS455s, "Wing"-Cadillacs etc. Here's my co-workers '63 Cadillac (http://www.car-nection.com/ccof/pic36.jpg) in the summer-night meeting in Helsinki.
Cadillac club of Finland (http://www.car-nection.com/ccof/caddy.htm)
Good looking cars would you say ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
edit: Amurrican Eagles and Finnish Hornets over Finland (http://www.mil.fi/joukot/satlsto/sisalto/f15f18lg.JPG)
Uhh... I "knew" guys who owned this (http://www.car-nection.com/ccof/pic9.jpg) wreck... We drinked a LOT in those days (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by Staga (edited 11-08-2000).]
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American cars handle like buses. Guess they don't have many corners in the States. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Gimme an Aston Martin Vantage any day of the week.
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I'm sure you've got lots and lots of corners.
We just put the hammer down in Texas and more than a thousand miles later we're on the West Coast with barely a sharp curve to be had.
Wanna run one of your family cars against one of our "family cars" in that race? We'll put 6 people in each one.
Want to run one of your hi-perf sports cars against one of ours in that race? (You don't get to take a truck load of spare parts and electrical bits, either (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) )
Different countryside, different design goals. Not better....different.
This may come as a shock to you Dowd, old chum...but ever since 1776 we haven't wanted or needed to be even a bit like you guys.
Enjoy your island...we'll enjoy our country.
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Well they got their own SuperSports but also cars like these two (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/Pics/kurvi2.GIF)
and
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/Pics/kurvi3.GIF)
Dodge Challenger R/T "Hemi" 426cid. and Ford Mustang "Boss" 429cid.
Both cars are "matching numbers" and in original -70's condition; Even tires are old Goodyear "Polyglass GT's".
Pics are scanned from "Mobilisti"-magazine when owners of the cars went to the race-track in eastern Finland to see who's the king of the family (Brothers...)
My scanner is almost dead so sorry for bad quality of pics...
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Oh really Toad, then please account for all the European prestige sports cars exported to your country? Why is it far more prestigious to have a Rolls-Royce or a Ferrari than a Cadillac?
I personally enjoy twisty roads far more than a straight run - perhaps you should come over here and try it sometime? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
This may come as a shock to you Dowd, old chum...but ever since 1776 we haven't wanted or needed to be even a bit like you guys.
Point to where I said you did?
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Your roads are too bloody small Dowding!
Had a good laugh visiting my old roommate outside London. His girlfriend had a little two-door nissan she was looking to get rid of, because it was too big (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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"Why is it far more prestigious to have a Rolls-Royce or a Ferrari than a Cadillac?"
Because it proves you have more money to waste. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (Cadillac with the Northstar engine will smoke a Rolls NP. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) )
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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Dowding what are you smoking? The Vantage is a huge car, over 4200 lb! It's a larger and heavier car than the muscle cars pictured on this page.
Sure its modern power plant and aerodynamics might make it a bit quicker, and modern tires might help it stick a little better in the corners, but it's still an ungainly whale of a car.
And if you did any sort of comparison between these circa 1970 US muscle cars and contemporary Astons, the results would be laughable - Astons of that era were DOGS.
BTW Dowding we've got more twisty roads than y'all have roads period. It's the benefit of living in a proper continent instead of a puny island.
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lol (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
"Puny Island" my arse!
But according to Tiff Needell (racing driver and car commentator) it handles like a car half its weight. You ought to see the stuff he does with it.
I wouldn't say no if someone decided to buy me one. Not that that is even a remote possibility...
Fatty - London sucks really. No wonder you're friend wanted to get an even smaller car - London traffic is terrible. "Too many people, not enough soul." Go north, the air is cleaner (well, in some places) and the people more friendly. Every time I go to London I find it oppressive - and I've lived in Newcastle, Sheffield and they're biggish cities. I have friends who are 'southerners' and public school boys/girls - they say people from the north are more friendly - shop keepers will actually have a conversation with you! Now there's a thing...
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Porsche, Ferrari, AMG Mercedes, Turbo Bentley,Opel Lotus Omega,Lamborghini Diablo......
Except for the Viper GTS and the ZR-1 the U.S. hasn't built any real cars (compared to european models) since the early 70's.
Cadillac w/Northstar..good at neither perfomance or luxury.
Europe has the most economical cars... and the most luxurious and the fastest.
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Dowding,
What would you say is a typical British designed and produced "family car"? One that the average family can afford?
What would you say is a typical British designed and produced "sports car"? One that can be had for about USD $40,000?
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On point one:
The Rover 75. A very good car according to owners and critics alike. British owned company, produced in Britain. There are also cheaper Rover's that are also popular with families.
Point Two:
The new Jaguar X-type coupe which can be had for about £23,000 (much less than $40,000)). Produced and designed in the UK. Will be available soon.
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OK, bring over a Rover 75.
We'll find an equivalent costing US sedan, put 6 people who are feet tall in both of them and run them coast to coast. If it breaks down you lose...no repairs (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). First one sea to shining sea wins. (and let's if the six that get out of the Rover have permanent back problems (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
Then we'll run the Jag against a Corvette, same race. Break down and you lose, no repairs. (Of course, now that Ford engineering is in those Jags, one might actually run that far. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) )
Different countries and different societies develop different ways to address life and government.
Glad you feel your's is superior.
Glad I have mine...and that they are different.
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Erm.. Sorry Dowding.. you can't really celebrate Jaguar's recent success. I think Ford had just a little bit to do with it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
And... the ferraris, lamborginis and such are all swell cars. But to be honest, I'd rather have a 65 427 SC Cobra than any of them. American muscle at its best. Anyone know who first made the body(Time to come through for your country Dowding (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif))?
AKDejaVu
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It was AC, but I dont know the name of the designer. Shelby just gave it a proper engine (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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LJK_Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps (http://www.luftjagerkorps.com)
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Shelby gave it a proper everything. The body was about the only thing he didn't do much with.. except, of course, to make room for those huge fricken tires (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
There is an excellent Bill Cosby album where he tells a story about driving ferraris then buying a Shelby Cobra. Its called "200 MPH"... though I doubt a Cobra could do over 150.
AKDejaVu
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My whole point was subjective superiority. I know the kind of car I'd rather drive - one that handles well and doesn't 'wallow'. Personal choice, like you say.
As for reliability - are you saying that all American cars are invariably reliable? That can't possibly be true - off any production line you'll find complete dogs, which simply give their owners problem after problem. I've not heard of any major reliability problems with the Rover - in fact this has been one of the major plus points of the range. Does the average family in the States have 4 children?
You asked for a British car designed and built in the UK - the X-type fits those criteria as far as I know. The success of Jaguar isn't solely down to Ford ownership; it wouldn't be that hard to sell a Jaguar on marque alone. It has been a prestigious company for years, and that is why Ford aquired them.
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Explain why Ford bought it so cheap.
I have a friend who is a Ford/Jag dealer. He knows why.
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