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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Dowding on November 08, 2000, 03:29:00 PM
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We had a female leader elected 21 years ago, I would have thought that in the mean time a woman would have made a serious stab at being elected president. Or perhaps the American public couldn't stomach that? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Hilary always said there would be female president by 2010. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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If it were legal for Margaret Thatcher to run for president here I'd vote for her. But never for Hillary. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchenson from Tx. , YES. Sen. Hillary Clinton (oh my god I can't believe I just typed that) NEVER.
There are plenty of women who are qualified to be president. It's just that none of them are Democrats (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Udie
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I wouldn't vote for Maggie Thatcher - she's a mad squeak (and you can quote me on that (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)).
Hillary seems like most politicians - fiercely ambitious and power-hungry. I'd vote for if she stood for PM - maybe we can get an exchange scheme going? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Hey, I'm no Hillory Clinton, but I think it could happen by 2010, maybe sooner.
However, we have had a dearth of female candidates for President.
I have nothing against a female President, but I would never vote for the likes of Hillory Clinton. And it has nothing to do with the fact that she is rumored to be a woman.
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Dowding, it's quite remarkable - I have not met one single Brit online that has liked Thatcher.
Methinks she was/is a beatch. She needs to learn who owns her. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
Senator Hillary Clinton. LOL. Oh well, she has as much experience as Bush, and he is gonna be the president prolly.
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Democrat Ticket 2004
Hillary Clinton - President
Jesse Jackson - Vice President
no joke, look at the demographics from this election ...
St Santa, do you have a spare room?
Eagler
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A woman president would be fine by me on one condition, she must be past menapause (sp).
Seriously, we don't need to most powerful PERSON in the world having hot flashes, irratibilty, cramps, and other monthly/change of life symptoms. Everything I have read and heard indicates that they can become irrational and very angry during those times in their life...dangerous indeed.
Wrench
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Hillary Has been the President for the past 8 years......... where have y'all been?
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Originally posted by NATEDOG:
Hillary Has been the President for the past 8 years......... where have y'all been?
Yep, She sure sounded like it during her acceptance speech. Someone should check her pants, I swear she's a guy in drag.
Eagler
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Sex, as in color, has no meaning to me, however the platform does.
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Funny thing this. Way back when the primary season had just begun, Elizabeth Dole won my support with one statement she made that I thought sounded rather Churchillian. Her statement was that "America deserves a government worthy of her people!" I think Elizabeth Dole would have made a wonderful candidate. Once she bowed out, I threw my support behind Dubya.
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StSanta - you surprise me!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
<sarcasm> In this country Maggie is more revered than the Queen. <sarcasm off>
Maggie was good for the country if you happen to be an upper middle class white, with a job in the City.
To anyone else, she was a bit of a nightmare.
I've got some information on how modern day politicians perceive her. There was a psychological test done to monitor the response of two groups of people to a series of images - one normal everyday people, the other politicians.
One of the pictures was a naked image of Margaret Thatcher. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Not really, but there was a picture of her amongst them. I'll post the pictures and the results when I get a chance.
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I always thought of Tony Blair as Bill Clinton with an accent. Does Tony do maids?
Yeager (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Dowding, me old mate, me old pal, me old buddy..........didnt you tell me you were 21? If so then how, exactly, do you remember Thatcher being elected 21 years ago? lol
Unlike you, I had to pay Pole Tax.......well, I *say* I had to pay it.....maybe I should rephrase.....they sent me a bill. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Swoop
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I always thought of Tony Blair as Bill Clinton with an accent. Does Tony do maids?
lol! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I don't think so - No. 10 Downing Street is too small for him to get away with it. Bill Clinton and Tony Blair have many similarities politically and the way they campaigned to achieve electoral victory.
Swoop - salute before you address a superior officer!!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Never said that I remember her being elected. But I come from a mining town that Thatcher destroyed. I do remember things that happened then, even though I was 6 y/o. Hearing the riots at night, seeing burnt out houses with 'Scab' written on the walls, collecting coal with my dad from the side of the railway because we had no money.
Thatcher was a disaster for my part of the country.
[This message has been edited by Dowding (edited 11-10-2000).]
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Woman have most of the money, and all of the popsicle. What do the need the white house for.
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Hmmmm....a woman as President?
I have only this to say...
I quit watching Star Trek when they put a woman on the bridge (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Ltr!
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Hillary Clinton for President, Jesse Jackson for Vice would be the greatest administration every in history. That administration would act as an example for the world to follow.
Canada had a female Prime Minster about 8 years ago as well.
Seriously, we don't need to most powerful PERSON in the world having hot flashes, irratibilty, cramps, and other monthly/change of life symptoms. Everything I have read and heard indicates that they can become irrational and very angry during those times in their life...dangerous indeed.
Are you serous? Oh my, it's the 21st century now. Get over the male ego thing. Studies have also shown men go through their own type of monthy "PMS". Do you believe that as well?
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[This message has been edited by Igloo (edited 11-12-2000).]
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Originally posted by Igloo:
Hillary Clinton for President, Jesse Jackson for Vice would be the greatest administration every in history. That administration would act as an example for the world to follow.
You can't take yourself seriously. It has nothing to do with sex or race. It has to do with honor, integrity, and principles. The above two individuals have none of the three.
Eagler
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Hillary Clinton for President, Jesse Jackson for Vice would be the greatest administration every in history. That administration would act as an example for the world to follow.
Respectfully speaking, you are out of your mind. Why would this be the best administration in the world? That is at the very least a supremely hyperbolic statement.
Hillary already is making moves to render national elections moot. If her proposal bears fruit, only urban areas in a few select cities will ever matter, and these areas will remain Democratic strongholds. The elections will then be mere shams.
Jesse Jackson has never come to Indiana to defend my civil rights, as far as I know. Last time I recall him doing anything that remotely connected to me was when he instigated rioting in a town where the local school had expelled two black students for attacking students at a football game (all caught on tape, btw). "Those poor students" were low achieving, long list of trouble type students we all would just love to have our teenaged daughters bring home. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Jesse just about caused needless bloodshed because he defended two students who should have been thrown out of school.
Jesse doesn't have a clue. Hillary does, and she is one scary woman.
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Dowding, I'm going to bite on this. Mrs Thatcher was the best Prime Minister since Churchill. She defeated the unions (would you like Mr Scargill as PM with his bully-boys?), defeated the Argentines, and played a major part in defeating the Soviets. Her one mistake and downfall was the Poll Tax.
I'm 34 next month. I remember (just) Mr Heath and the 3-day week and the blackouts. I remember the Wilson/Callaghan govt and Dennis Healey going cap-in-hand to the IMF and the Winter of Discontent. I remember the Falklands War and the Miners' Strike. I remember Mrs Thatcher's part in the Gulf War. I remember John Major's ineptness. I look at Mr Blair and I see all flash and no substance - except b*llsh*t. It's nothing to do with political parties; it's all to do with character.
I run my own (modestly profitable) business full-time. I can see how much of my hard-earned income goes in taxes - as a matter of fact, I've got to do the company's VAT return presently - and I look at where they're spent. I look at the vast amount of tax we pay in petrol and on alcohol - on everything, really. Then I look at the politicians in charge, and despair.
Young man, you have yet to experience the real world. I remember when I was your age. Cherish your illusions.
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Originally posted by Igloo:
Are you serous? Oh my, it's the 21st century now. Get over the male ego thing. Studies have also shown men go through their own type of monthy "PMS". Do you believe that as well?
Yeah, your damn right I am serous, I have heard that excuse used for everything. You cannot have people who have claimed emotional instability every month suddenly say that "oh well it isn't as bad as we have led you to believe".
Besides I would NOT want a group of people with such disregard for human life ruling this country. Murderer's shouldn't be elected president. Right to chose my ass.
As for male PMS, get lost, never heard it, never saw it used as an excuse to be an amazinhunk, never saw a TV ad claiming how bad it can be. Never walked on the beach with another man and discussed how irratable and irrational it made us....lol what a pathetic arguement you put forth, Igloo.
And you are right, it is the 21st century, let's stop trying to fool the masses with fuzzy logic.
Wrench
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Finally, a Brit with sense makes a post. Was beginning to think everyone in the UK had, as they say, "gone 'round the bend".
Thanks, Qts.
Cabby
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Oh sorry old man, I doth my cap to you mister. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Again - your view of Thatcher's reign is dependant on where you're coming from. If you lived in London, I'm sure she was a barrel of laughs (except for the Poll Tax riots, of course).
Poll Tax wasn't her downfall, the writing was on the wall long before that.
Credit for winning the Gulf War? Any British PM could have won that - it was a forgone conclusion the day the Yanks arrived in Saudi. It was a PR gift.
You mention the great TB. I don't like Blair's much vaunted use of spin doctors. But look at William Hague. Take his "compassionate conservatism" - where was this compassion when his party was throwing tens of thousands of workers onto the dole, where was that compassion when whole communities had the heart ripped out of them? Instead, they were busy underfunding the NHS and public transport.
He can shove his "Compassionate Conservatism" up his ******* ****.
I won't be voting Labour at the next Gen. Elec. - I'll be voting Liberal Democrats.
If the Conservatives are elected to power next year I'll be taking the first flight to Cuba. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Mrs Thatcher was the best Prime Minister since Churchill.
No way. I reckon Churchill was the best leader of the British people since Queen Elizabeth I. Thatcher further divided Britain and strengthened the North-South divide.
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Originally posted by qts:
<Old fogey alert>
Young man, you have yet to experience the real world. I remember when I was your age. Cherish your illusions.
How true, how true.
<S> qts
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Dowding, if Mrs Thatcher hadn't chivvied Bush into sending the troops ('This is no time to go wobbly'), the whole of Saudi would now be in Iraqi hands.
The poll tax was her downfall - her cabinet colleagues used her intransigence on the matter to oust her.
'When his party was throwing tens of thousands of workers onto the dole'? Sorry, but that was introducing the Real World to the British. It was a long-overdue correction, which never would have happened if the TUC hadn't been so strong and previous govts so weak.
As for the North-South divide, that's been Labour playing up.
For whom will I vote? I'll read the manifestos and decide thereon.
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Manifestos are good - I pay closer attention to party conferences, since that's where the public debates on policy start.
Sorry, but that was introducing the Real World to the British.
Rubbish. The reason why the mining industry was destroyed was because the Tories were unwilling to subsidise coal - unlike most of the European producers. Power stations that had been major consumers of British coal, switched to cheaper continental coals in a drive to make more money (post privitisation).
The tories introduced the Real World to the British? More like they introduced the status of 'developing world' to the towns around where I grew up. Reform I have nothing against, but the Tories couldn't give a damn about Yorkshire and the North-East and gave zero support to communities ravaged by mass unemployment. But why should they? They were safe Labour seats, better to concentrate on the welfare of the Tory voters 'down south'. "Let's have another tax cut, you diamond high earners!"
London and the South-East was alright, and that's all that matters, right?
I've got news for you qtc - the North-South divide was emphasised by the Tories in the '80s, maybe they even augmented it.
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Exactly who was going to pay for the coal subsidy, Dowding? The Government? You mean the tax-payer. Sorry.
And in case you hadn't spotted it, Scargill was spoiling for a fight, and was stupid enough not to start it in the autumn.
Step outside the left-wing BBC and State Education system propaganda (yes, I used to take care of a lot of schools and heard it myself) and do some research. Try reading the other side of the story for a start.
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German tax-payers subsidised the German coal industry, and I still believe they do.
Whatever you might think, Scargill isn't my idol - I believe he was a pretentious fool, and now is just plain irrelevant. My problem with Thatcher is the way she handled the whole affair, and my problem with the Tories is the way they callously threw a whole generation on the scrap heap in the early nineties. Add to that the arrogance with which they governed and the contempt they felt for most of the British people, and I think you have a summary of my views on the subject.
I have looked at the other side, but are you aware of Thatcher's use of police from Southern Counties to break the picket line? Thatcher wanted people who had no ties with the miners and went over the heads of regional police commanders. The local police force, up to that point respected, were as angry about that as the miners were. To this day, they are still treated with contempt by those who were there. I know this because some of my father's friends are in the police.
Let me ask you this:
Regardless of the political reasons for doing so, do you agree with putting a whole region out of work, with no re-training and no support? Was it a shining example of how conservatism could be 'compassionate'?