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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: RALEM on July 07, 2006, 04:40:36 PM
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wirblewind flak panzer 4 20mm cannon:)
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LTAR's are making shades now? ;)
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Originally posted by zorstorer
LTAR's are making shades now? ;)
Someone drop the vh before they all figure this out. ;)
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One thing missing from a good shade post.....where are the pictures?????
:aok
j/k LTAR's big ya :)
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i would want another tank if we got another vehicle. I don't know alot aout tanks but i woudl want something if there is anything to bridge the huge gap between pnzr and tigr. Mabye perk it 20-25 or everyone will have them ;)
-68slayr-
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Originally posted by 68slayr
i would want another tank if we got another vehicle.
Wirbelwind is fully tracked, turreted and has cannon for main armament, making it a tank. :D (I know, "Smart***")
With the main aspect of the game being air combat, it would be logical to include vehicles that are also good anti-aircraft platforms.
I am sure LTARmoil will be along soon to post his pics . . .
Oh, forgot to say, "Yes, we need this right away!! :aok :aok "
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Yes, we should have the wirbelwind instead of the jeep.
Wirlbelwind = :aok
Jeep = Zzzzzzzzzzz
:noid
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what about a king tiger? people would have to up tigers to stop it ..
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Originally posted by KTM520guy
Jeep = Zzzzzzzzzzz
They kill Tigers in seconds; what more could you want?
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Originally posted by handy169
what about a king tiger? people would have to up tigers to stop it ..
When there is only 2 tanks to kill the Tiger currently....i'm going to say no, personally.
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yeah but with all those spawn campers with plenty of vech perk points to spend. make them have to spend them of someone ups a king. you got people with thousands of perk points to waste what they gonna spend it on? 70-80 on tiger? make it valued like the 262 couple of hundred perk points.
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wheres the sherman. We could use them for amphibious landing on shores. regardless anythin i want to see somethin new soon, new vehicles, new planes, new maps.
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Originally posted by 68slayr
I don't know alot aout tanks but i woudl want something if there is anything to bridge the huge gap between pnzr and tigr. Mabye perk it 20-25 or everyone will have them ;)
-68slayr-
Huge gap? I lose Tigers to panzers quite often. Maybe the Panzer drivers I run into can shoot.
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NOOOO. Don't take away my jeep thats what i use to kill all the annoying guys in TT. :rofl
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Couple things really in favor of Wirbelwind:
1) easier to implement - - very similar to Ostwind, and german 20mm guns are already available. (I admit that I am not sure they're our German aircraft MGs)
2) With HT already saying that he thinks gameplay balance needs a bit more airfield defense, it makes sense to put in a better anti air GV.
I'd love to see it -- and I'm no GV'er
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Originally posted by Simaril
Couple things really in favor of Wirbelwind:
1) easier to implement - - very similar to Ostwind, and german 20mm guns are already available. (I admit that I am not sure they're our German aircraft MGs)
You are right - they are not ;)
The Wirblewind has "true" anti aircraft guns, it´s the infamous Flakvierling 38 mounted on Panzer IV chassis. The guns are comparable to our Hizookas, if not even a bit more powerful (have to look it up again). Theoretical rate of fire was about 1800 rds/min, but practical was "only" about 800 because each barrel had 20shot magazines. If we really ever get this devastating vehicle, I would like to see the rate of fire properly implemented, so that one cannot blaze away as if the guns used 1000-shot belts
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:aok
(http://membres.lycos.fr/fass3d/rnl/Wirbelwind.jpg)
(http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/anowe/wirbelwind_1.jpg)
(http://www.panzer.punkt.pl/artykuly/wirbelwind/wirbel_front.jpg)
In all fairness a lot of A/C can strafe me down with 2 or 4 20mm cannons and sometimes some 30mm's, so why can't I have them too:)
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Moil im going to need you and your boys to agree to some contract requirements
first off i think this vehicle would be and excellent additions to the LTAR i can kill you in anything platform
that being said repeat after me
If we get this vehicle that changes the lead to air ratio where we are fighting WE PROMISE TO STAY BISH AND NOT SHOOOT AT WANNAB
AMEN
thanks and i hope we get it
:O
:huh
:t
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Originally posted by Lusche
You are right - they are not ;)
The Wirblewind has "true" anti aircraft guns, it�s the infamous Flakvierling 38 mounted on Panzer IV chassis. The guns are comparable to our Hizookas, if not even a bit more powerful (have to look it up again). Theoretical rate of fire was about 1800 rds/min, but practical was "only" about 800 because each barrel had 20shot magazines. If we really ever get this devastating vehicle, I would like to see the rate of fire properly implemented, so that one cannot blaze away as if the guns used 1000-shot belts
You know having come from belt fed cannons (M2A2 Bradley gunner) that the reloading thing might ease some fears from folks about this fire hose on the ground.
But with a proper reloading of the magazines this could really work.
I am not sure how they did it....wait till all are out? Did and can you fire all 4 cannon at the same time? I know we dont have it, but gun barrel heating needs to be modeled, at least for this vehicle.
Also about the reloading time thing.
After all the ready ammo (loaded into magazines) was used, how long would it take to reload a 20rd magazine with 20mm rounds?
Just thinking out loud ;)
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This is a picture of the Flakvierling. The loaders are sitting to the left and to the right. Note the additional magazines at the base of mount.
(http://www.imageup.de/img21/vierling6tx.jpg)
Usually only two barrels were fired at a time, whilst the other two could be reloaded, resulting in a steady rate of fire. But if desired, the gunner was also able to shoot all four weapons at once.
And here is a good picture of a Flakvierling mounted in a Wirbelwind turret:
(http://www.imageup.de/img21/wirbelturm9ry.jpg)
Note the empty racks for additional magazines.
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Very nice pictures!!! Nice to find the small details in a picture :)
figure 5 sec to swap a mag? then a tap of the finger then reload? ;)
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Originally posted by zorstorer
Very nice pictures!!! Nice to find the small details in a picture :)
figure 5 sec to swap a mag? then a tap of the finger then reload? ;)
I just tried to look up a few numbers. A single Flak38 gun had a theoretical ROF of 480shots/min, so a 20 shot magazine would be empty after 2.5 sec of fire. The practical ROF is about 220-240 shots per minute, so swapping magazines should also take about 2.5 seconds, too
EDIT:
Wirbelwind in action: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1184887016650486560&q=wirbelwind (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1184887016650486560&q=wirbelwind)
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Originally posted by Wannab
Moil im going to need you and your boys to agree to some contract requirements
first off i think this vehicle would be and excellent additions to the LTAR i can kill you in anything platform
that being said repeat after me
If we get this vehicle that changes the lead to air ratio where we are fighting WE PROMISE TO STAY BISH AND NOT SHOOOT AT WANNAB
AMEN
thanks and i hope we get it
:O
:huh
:t
I promise:D
Now gimme my darn Wirbelwind;)
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Greetings,
Thinking M3 with 75.... or 105mm...... just thinking. really, don't throw things. I was only thinking. . . . out. loud. well, okay, just finished watching Kelly's Heros.... ;)
Regards,
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There ya go with them negative vibs......the bridge'll be there