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Special Events Forums => Scenario General => Topic started by: Brooke on July 07, 2006, 10:20:09 PM
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Rather than start the process of getting patches made for this scenario only after the scenario is done, let's start it now.
If there are any players out there with patch ideas, can you post them here? Then we can all start to decide what we want as a patch, and I can start the process of getting them made before the scenario is done.
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Brooke,
Have the patches for the last scenerio gone out yet?
If they have not, no problem. If they have, I think I may have been missed in the mailings.
Thanks,
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Brooke,
Disregard last post, I saw the thread in another forum that explains all. Looks great btw, excellent job!
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Here is a idea Brooke:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/902_1152558310_f4u.jpg)
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That looks cool, but that's too complicated for a patch design.
Here are some example patches from past scenarios. They can't be too complicated, or the details get lost in the resolution of the stitching.
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/misc/aces_high/rangoonPatchScan.jpg)
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/misc/aces_high/coralSeaPatchScan.jpg)
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/misc/aces_high/maltaPatchScan.jpg)
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/misc/aces_high/30465_sewout.jpg)
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By the way, the shape does not have to be round -- squares, shield shapes, etc. are all fine.
Here are examples of the artwork that gave rise to some of the above patches. This is the sort of artwork I'm hoping some folks will post so that we can see what they have in mind for a patch.
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/malta_2005/malta_patch.png)
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/coral_sea/pics/coral_sea_Patch2.png)
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/rangoon42/pics/rangoon_patch.gif)
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Got one that says
DOOBSAPALOOZA
1945
End of the Roundeye
Japan wins the pennant
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When patches are available please inform me!
Thanks!
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Brooke,
Couple of questions:
1) merrowed edge?
2) full embroidery?
3) any limititations on number of colors that can be used?
I know that all these variables affect cost so before I
think about this I'd like an idea...
BTW, love the idea for having patches for these things...
now I gotta get me a vest to sew em ont. Lookin' for a
black leather one.. . patches will look so kewl on it!..
or maybe an MA-1 jacket? :)
Thanks
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How's this..?
I wanted to put the scenario title and date on the
top of the black border with the "Aces High II
Scenario Event" text on the bottom half.
Can't do circular type in Photoshop 5.5
and I am not up to speed in Illustrator..
The planes are the Corsair and a Hien.
The mountain is Mt. Fuji.
The lightning bolt is self-explanatory.
anyway, this is what I came up with...
psd file avialble upon request.
(http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/images/patch.gif)
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I like the overall concept 96, but I dont think the Aircraft will come out to well. Excellent Start though!
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I'd like to see the CV concept brought out in this patch.
Possibly an IJN plane overhead, CV steaming below.
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You have the USAAF involved in this scenario also. Not just cv aircraft.
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Originally posted by 96Delta
Brooke,
Couple of questions:
1) merrowed edge?
2) full embroidery?
3) any limititations on number of colors that can be used?
I know that all these variables affect cost so before I
think about this I'd like an idea...
BTW, love the idea for having patches for these things...
now I gotta get me a vest to sew em ont. Lookin' for a
black leather one.. . patches will look so kewl on it!..
or maybe an MA-1 jacket? :)
Thanks
1 -- yes, if I understand "merrowed". Check out the patch examples above.
2 -- yes, but 100% embroidery is unlikely unless you have almost no solid-color areas.
3 -- up to 7 colors at no additional cost, possible to go higher than that possibly with added fees.
As for a jacket, if you are looking to buy one, here is info I gathered on A-2's (my research into best A-2 for the price):
http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/flight_jackets/flight_jackets.html
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96Delta, thanks for the patch candidate. That does look good. I definitely count that as a candidate. Feel free to post other ideas you have or to incorporate others' suggestions if you want.
Other folks, please also feel free to post graphics of what you have in mind.
Before frame 4, we will decide on the best candidate, and that's what I'll start working on with the patch company.
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ok great,,,,, now delta back to the war.
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(http://FiLtHsHangar.homestead.com/OpDFpatch.jpg)
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MSPaint drawing of DOOM!!!!! :D
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I kinda like it to FiLtH. It has a raw quality to it.. although I'd like to see a little black smoke fron the F6F to balance the image. OR white ack.
OOZ662.. my daughter is older than you.. :eek:
Watch for a NW get together in the future OOZ662 :aok
SALUTE!
Newman
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Newman I tried to make it look like a comic book. Guess who Im going to meet in a couple weeks? SF...he did the App. Trail and we are gonna do lunch as he comes through. :)
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Give SF a hearty SALUTE! from me :aok
He's among the best AW and AH (ret) comunity members we have!
I'd love to see him back in the air after his hike ;-)
SALUTE!
Newman
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Originally posted by Newman
OOZ662.. my daughter is older than you.. :eek:
Watch for a NW get together in the future OOZ662 :aok
There was a Seattle get together a couple weeks ago, but I couldn't make it. I don't drive anywhere, so I don't feel the need to get a car (SHOCK!) and my parents...one can't drive and the other is usually at work. If it was on a weekend, my dad might be able to take me...lemme know by PM or email and I'll see if I can come. Thanks. :aok
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I have a new design...will try to get it up today.
Its only a pencil sketch now.
BTW, nice patch Filfth! If the planes were bigger
and there wasn't as much open space I would
say its a winner! I especially like the way the
CV is entering the scene. Nice composition. :)
David
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Originally posted by doobs
ok great,,,,, now delta back to the war.
At-ease Rookie. :)
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I like where Filths is headed :)
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Originally posted by Newman
I kinda like it to FiLtH. It has a raw quality to it.. although I'd like to see a little black smoke fron the F6F to balance the image. OR white ack.
OOZ662.. my daughter is older than you.. :eek:
Watch for a NW get together in the future OOZ662 :aok
SALUTE!
Newman
I have booze older than OOZ:)
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:D And apparently HB555 has socks older then me. :noid .....
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Also, it's my girlfriend in the avatar, not me!
Kewl, but who's the chick with the long hair Holding your girlfriend?
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Originally posted by ROC
Kewl, but who's the chick with the long hair Holding your girlfriend?
Once this fest ends, you won't be able to say that. I'm gettin' me a montage avatar, man! :rofl
That is...unless she beats the crap out of me and forbids it...but it's already made! :D
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A crude sketch but at least it will give
you guys a idea of where I was headed.
If we can combine FiLths patch and some
of my elements we might have something neat.
I'll try to put this into a color verson sometime next
week so you can get a better idea.
I think I still like FiLths's patch better...more action
and I like the fire and the CV element...its just too
spread out I think.
Thoughts?
(http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/images/patch02.gif)
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Its the Pacific Delta!! Its vast!! :P
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I like the the Valcano idea in it.
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I too would like to see Mount Fuji in the patch, with an American Flag on top! :D
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Why not have all that on the patch but have the rising sun in the background.You don't wanna bunch of allied stuff on the patch for it won't look right since your losing and all...........
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From what ive seen so far this morning lets have a patch with little babies on it painted up like a Corsair crying and pieces of Zeke and N1k all over the sky, and the rising sun hittin the babies with a cane.
Seems about perfect
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Brilliant.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Brilliant.
(http://www.doesthecirclehold.com/wp-content/guinnessB11.jpg)
Bronk
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Here's my last gasp at a patch.
I didn't want to make it too dense with
details and stuff so I simplified things
a bit.
P.S. I know that the red outline was gone
from US insignia by the time 1945 rolled
around but I wanted to make the emblem stand
out a bit. A red outline looked better to me
than a white one.
(http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/images/patch03.gif)
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Now that rocks delta good job.
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Bloody Brillient Delta
Nice Work
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Great Stuff Delta!:aok
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Cool patch
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Nice patch there, Delta, very nice patch!
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Not bad. Not bad at all.
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Very nice indeed!
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Thanks guys. :)
BTW, I made one small change.
I thickened the black border a bit
to represent a merrowed edge on the patch.
David "96Delta"
(http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/fso/banner.450.jpg) (http://ahevents.org/site/content/view/122/153/)
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Originally posted by 96Delta
(http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/images/patch03.gif)
Hot damn! That's got my vote!!!!!!
Not sure how detailed the red/white/tokyo/ocean backdrop will be though, the patches are pretty small.
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What are the significance of patches?
Im new the the event thing and I was wondering what we do with these concepts?
Are they jpegs you get sent for participating or ?
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Judging from the examples posted
above the details are all within the
grasp of an embroidered patch.
The only detail that will need to be
softened is the outline of the Japanese
islands which I think is too intricate.
Other than that, I think it is doable
but I'll leave that to Brooke to
determine. The last time I had a custom
patch done it was only 3 colors so my
experience with this stuff is severely
limited.
BTW, I'll be ordering 3 of these. :D
David "96Delta"
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Originally posted by stockli
What are the significance of patches?
They're actual patches that you sew onto clothing. :huh
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Or just keep for mementos
Delta, I'd like to make a suggestion for detail's sake. Please remove the pitots on the wings of the fighters, and the masts on the CV. I don't think they'll come out too well, due to the stitching. Also the rudder on the Ki61 has the same problem -- just make the black go all the way across from elevator to elevator, no need to make it dip inwards by the rudder.
You're probably right on the homeland outline. Globularize it. Hand-draw it in the rough outline of just the major islands (forget all the small dots)
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Originally posted by stockli
What are the significance of patches?
Im new the the event thing and I was wondering what we do with these concepts?
Are they jpegs you get sent for participating or ?
Hello, Stockli. Some of us get together and have patches made for each scenario then either sell them to the players at cost or take donations to help defray the cost and give them out. (Not sure yet which way we'll go for this scenario, but we will have patches.)
Some examples of patches (scans of the actual patches) from the previous four scenarios (Rangoon, Coral Sea, Malta, and Stalin's Fourth) are shown above in one of my earlier posts.
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96Delta, it is a truly beautiful patch design!
You do not have to change the outline of Japan -- the patch-company artist will render that in the resolution they have available (such as for the island of Malta in the Fire Over Malta patch above).
Likewise, there are some fine details to the outline of the carrier that might not come through, but you should leave it and let the patch company render it in however much detail they can (like the carrier in the Coral Sea patch above).
Here are some changes, though, that I suggest with reasons for the request:
Instead of "ACES HIGH II", having "ACES HIGH" with a superscript "TM" as in "ACES HIGHTM SCENARIO" but with "TM" as superscript (see final Stalin's Fourth patch below).
Instead of "July-August 2006", just "July 2006", as they might need a slightly larger font, and with just "July", it gives them a little room.
A slightly bigger US roudel on the wing of the Corsair, as the one given will be a bit small to render in thread well. (See roundels in the Stalin's Fourth patch below to see how they come out when they are small.)
I'd eliminate the pitot tubes on the planes and the four vertical radio masts on the carrier, as they'll be too thin to render well.
The white outlines around the planes and carrier may or may not come out looking how you'd like them. If you have them in, the white thread around will have a stitched look like the middle flag in the Coral Sea patch and like around the black planes in the first Stalin's patch below. If that's OK, keep it. If not, then you'll need to get rid of the white outlines -- it's up to you based on what you think of the white thread stitching outline.
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/misc/aces_high/stalinsFourthPatchScan.jpg)
(By the way, for Stalin's Fourth folks, the above is not the patch final. Here is the patch final: )
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/misc/aces_high/stalinsFourthPatchFinal.jpg)
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Brooke count me in and do you have a coral sea patch and a malta left by chance?
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
Brooke count me in and do you have a coral sea patch and a malta left by chance?
Roscoroo hooked me up with a Malta patch. I think he still has some.
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That is pretty cool!
Im down for a Downfall patch when they are available.
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Originally posted by stockli
That is pretty cool!
Im down for a Downfall patch when they are available.
Count me in as well!:aok
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got anything in a niccotine patch
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Okay, I incorporated the suggested changes
into a revised design.
With respect to the white outline on the aircraft
silhouettes, I think they are best left on even
if the stitching will be visible. Actually, I think
the stitching may look pretty good. :)
Here's the new version:
(http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/images/patch04.gif)
High-Res Version Here (http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/images/patch04.hi.gif)
David "96Delta"
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Originally posted by doobs
got anything in a niccotine patch
Will you settle for a progesterone patch? :lol
David "96Delta"
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That is simply PRIMO work, delta -- salutations for job well done!
Sign me up, Brooke!
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Delta, ya, that's the ticket :aok
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Yep thats it. Only problem is, change the F4U to an F6F Hellcat Please!! :D
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No, I say leave it. it's more "recognizable"
Hey Delta if you have time (and thanks if you do!) can you remove the hinomarus from the Ki61 wings, and the star-and-bar from the f4u wing? There's a star and bar behind the plane, and there's a rising sun behind the ki61, and in consideration of how small the detail on the Karelia patch, I wonder how it would look with simple black silhouettes and white outlines.
I agree that the white outline will probably look good, even if it's a small detail. The outline on the Karelia patch kicks arse, I bet this one will too.
EDIT: I mean try this just so we can see, not to make the final like this (not yet) :)
EDIT2: Would it be possible in this "test-try" to make the water darker (or a different shade of blue) to differentiate it "just a tad" from the star-and-bar?
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Originally posted by Krusty
No, I say leave it. it's more "recognizable"
Wow, you must not catch jokes. :D JoeDog flies the F6F in the scenario. That's his point.
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I know he likes his F6F, but I thought it was a legit request. Sorry :)
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Originally posted by EagleEyes
Yep thats it. Only problem is, change the F4U to an F6F Hellcat Please!! :D
Ah Joedog what u can't fly the f4, I luv the bird
Was hopin to be flyin one this scenario
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Originally posted by OOZ662
Wow, you must not catch jokes. :D JoeDog flies the F6F in the scenario. That's his point.
Plus add to the fact he is actually flying in the scenario. Maybe his opinon should be listened to as much as Krusty's
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In respone to the patch proposed by Delta which is the best patch to date, i have made a head wrap.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/902_1153883504_pic_0028.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/902_1153883782_ahhhhsooooo.jpg)
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Originally posted by Shifty
Plus add to the fact he is actually flying in the scenario. Maybe his opinon should be listened to as much as Krusty's
I know the guy. I know it was a joke. If it were a ligetimate request, I wouldn't have said anything.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
In respone to the patch proposed by Delta which is the best patch to date, i have made a head wrap.
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n277/1bronk1/902_1153883504_pic_0028.jpg)
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n277/1bronk1/902_1153883782_ahhhhsooooo.jpg)
:D :D :D
Bronk
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I'm also interested in a patch. Quite a novel idea
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get off todd's arse, the guy is as passonite over this game as anybody.
He does have alot to contribute to this game.
I have nothing but respect fot the guy. only because I took the time to understand him.
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Originally posted by OOZ662
I know the guy. I know it was a joke. If it were a ligetimate request, I wouldn't have said anything.
I'm not knocking Krusty. He certainly has an eye for this. His ideas are great. It's too bad you can't fit a plane to represent all the rides. I don't blame Joedog for wanting an F6F.
Corsair is prob best choice, it was the most flown Allied ride.:)
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Originally posted by Shifty
I'm not knocking Krusty.
I didn't take it as one :aok
cheers!
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Okay, this is the final version.
I hope it is eventually chosen as the patch
for this scenario event.
The only change I made was to darken the
US insignia blue to better differentiate it
from the sea blue. I'm going to leave the
wing insignia on the planes and see how they
come out.
The Corsair silhouette was chosen over the
F6F because of its distinctive outline and
its popular association as a preeminent pacific war
fighter. Overall, I think people are more
familiar with "Baa Baa Black Sheep" than they
are with "Fighting Hellcats". :)
I think that any other changes or edits that need to
be made can best be done by the patch company
artist who will render this art into a vector based
format.
HI RESOLUTION VERSION HERE (http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/images/patch05.hi.gif)
(http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/images/patch05.gif)
David "96Delta"
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To quote Richard Dean Anderson, "Sweet!"
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Originally posted by 96Delta
Okay, this is the final version.
I hope it is eventually chosen as the patch
for this scenario event.
The only change I made was to darken the
US insignia blue to better differentiate it
from the sea blue. I'm going to leave the
wing insignia on the planes and see how they
come out.
The Corsair silhouette was chosen over the
F6F because of its distinctive outline and
its popular association as a preeminent pacific war
fighter. Overall, I think people are more
familiar with "Baa Baa Black Sheep" than they
are with "Fighting Hellcats". :)
I think that any other changes or edits that need to
be made can best be done by the patch company
artist who will render this art into a vector based
format.
HI RESOLUTION VERSION HERE (http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/images/patch05.hi.gif)
(http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/images/patch05.gif)
David "96Delta"
That blue looks more like purple in the u.s. symbol and looks blue on the wing of the f4u.
Other than that, I'd like to buy a few. And also I'd like to buy one of the Stalin's Fourth, for which I did participate in that senario.
96delta, mind if I ask what it is exactly you do for a day job? You seem very cretive with computer art.
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Once again, Delta, that looks really nice, thanks for putting in the effort :aok
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
That blue looks more like purple in the u.s. symbol and looks blue on the wing of the f4u.
Other than that, I'd like to buy a few. And also I'd like to buy one of the Stalin's Fourth, for which I did participate in that senario.
96delta, mind if I ask what it is exactly you do for a day job? You seem very cretive with computer art.
They will pick the best thread colors to match the design.
I'm sure they won't be picking purple for the insignia
and if they do it can be changed once a proof is provided.
(BTW, they don't look purple on my monitors (LCD and CRT)...
just a very dark blue)
My job isn't IT related. I just like playing around with
graphics and find that each project I tackle improves
my skills....skills that come in handy for things like this. ;)
Its not really artistic skills either...all I do is combine various
images in photoshop and make a few changes here and there.
Its more just learning to use photoshop than anything
else. Anyone can do this stuff..(I use photoshop 5.5 and
am very FAR from being an expert)
Glad you guys like the effort!
David "96Delta"
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My hats off to the guys who have gone out of their way to make Operation Downfall so damn interesting. This is my first scenario and definitely will not be my last. I would be proud to have 96Delta's excellent design as the first patch in my collection.
Banzai
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With the scenario ending early, before I pay for a patch run, I'd like to get an idea if there are a fair number of people who want a patch at $2.50 each.
Each of you who wants a patch, could you please say so here? If there are enough people, I'll continue on as planned.
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Originally posted by Brooke
Each of you who wants a patch, could you please say so here? If there are enough people, I'll continue on as planned.
aye
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I do!:aok
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I do..
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Patch for me also please
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IN...
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Aye!
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I'll take 1.
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I'll take one.
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Yes, please!
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I want 2
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2 here as well please!
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I would like a Patch also Brooke.
Its too nice to not make:)
Thanks again for all the work you have done.
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half dozen here please:D
can I get it personalized with EMPEROR DOOBS on it
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2 here please
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Yes, I'd get a couple.
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Id like 2
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OK, sounds like we have enough interest.
Filth and Doobs, can both of you e-mail me the e-mail list for your players?
That way, in about a month, when the patches are done, I can e-mail everyone letting them know.
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I'd like one as well.
SALUTE!
Newman
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I'll take one too
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I 'm in 1 for me:D
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I'm in for $5.00, Brooke.
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Put me down for 1.
MGD
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Brooke, I'd like to get one too.
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I would like one also
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Yes I would take two!!!!!:)
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OO me me i would like one. :)
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The first patch proof is in. Based on the below, I would recommend some changes. Don't get concerned that it doesn't have the look we want quite yet. Most patches go through some rounds of adjustment to get them right.
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/misc/aces_high/downfallPatch33190.jpg)
Based on this, I would recommend:
1. No "Tokyo" or gold star to denote Tokyo on the landmass that represents Japan. "Tokyo" came out as just a white smear, and the gold star is just a dot at that resolution.
2. Larger aircraft, somewhat repositioned. They are a little small for the outlines to come out as well as folks would probably like. Don't worry about the "butterfly" looking wings on the F4U -- that's just how the artist rendered it so far. If you want to keep the planes the same size, they would still look better after adjusting the wing rendition.
3. I might suggest (not sure about it yet) no thick stitching around the outside of the patch. Without it, the outside will look more crisp. The thicker stitching around the outside isn't all bad, though.
With this in mind, what do people think -- especially 96delta, what do you think?
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By the way, the good parts so far is that the carrier, the outline of Japan, and the rising-sun and rays on the left look great.
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WOW looks friggin awesome, leave the butterfly wings to represent the smack down...J/K. Guess there was no room for the "Glorious master of the Rising Sun doobs" oh well I'll just take one for the team.
Seriously looks amazing:aok
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I like it a lot!
Great first proof. Things I would change, leading edges of the F4U on the wing anf Horizontal stab. to be swept back just a tad, drop the Tokyo text but keep a gold dot to signify the prize.
That's all I'd change.
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Originally posted by SD67
I like it a lot!
Great first proof. Things I would change, leading edges of the F4U on the wing anf Horizontal stab. to be swept back just a tad, drop the Tokyo text but keep a gold dot to signify the prize.
That's all I'd change.
Unfortunately, they've been manufactured, shipped, and probably mailed by now.
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No, he only just posted the first proof a day before you posted! Usually it takes 2 or more proofs to get things right. Stalin's Fourth had a LOT of revisions.
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1. No "Tokyo" or gold star to denote Tokyo on the landmass that represents Japan. "Tokyo" came out as just a white smear, and the gold star is just a dot at that resolution.
2. Larger aircraft, somewhat repositioned. They are a little small for the outlines to come out as well as folks would probably like. Don't worry about the "butterfly" looking wings on the F4U -- that's just how the artist rendered it so far. If you want to keep the planes the same size, they would still look better after adjusting the wing rendition.
3. I might suggest (not sure about it yet) no thick stitching around the outside of the patch. Without it, the outside will look more crisp. The thicker stitching around the outside isn't all bad, though.
Hey Brooke,
Looks very good for a first draft. Those patch guys are pretty good!
On your points:
1) Tokyo - yes, I say dispense with it. Its not adding anything to the final design. Maybe add a larger star to denote "the prize" as SD67 eloquently stated.
2) I wholeheartedly agree with you on enlarging the plane outlines. Would look much better and fill that space better as well. And yes, as SD67 noted, the wings on that F4U look like they are forward swept. They need to be moved perpendicular to the fuselage.
3) the thick stitching around the patch is called a "merrowed edge". I'm unsure about this too. It does look a bit crowded and out of scale doesn't it? And the edges are softened and not as crisp as I would like. I would vote to go with a cut patch with a different edge treatment. Look at the examples on this page to see how an intricate patch outline can look without the thick merrowed edge.
http://www.americanpatch.com/patches/military/index.html
I think this kind of crispness is what we are after so my vote, again, would be to lose the thick edging treatment.
Thanks for the work in getting this done Brooke. :)
David
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Originally posted by Krusty
No, he only just posted the first proof a day before you posted! Usually it takes 2 or more proofs to get things right. Stalin's Fourth had a LOT of revisions.
I was thinking of the Stalin's Fourth patches.
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Originally posted by 96Delta
1) Tokyo - yes, I say dispense with it. Its not adding anything to the final design. Maybe add a larger star to denote "the prize" as SD67 eloquently stated.
2) I wholeheartedly agree with you on enlarging the plane outlines. Would look much better and fill that space better as well. And yes, as SD67 noted, the wings on that F4U look like they are forward swept. They need to be moved perpendicular to the fuselage.
3) the thick stitching around the patch is called a "merrowed edge". I'm unsure about this too. It does look a bit crowded and out of scale doesn't it? And the edges are softened and not as crisp as I would like. I would vote to go with a cut patch with a different edge treatment. Look at the examples on this page to see how an intricate patch outline can look without the thick merrowed edge.
Given that, 96Delta, can you produce another jpeg of the artwork with bigger planes (although they don't need to be much bigger -- you choose how big), no "Tokyo", and a larger star to denote Tokyo?
As for the merrowed edge, Stalin's and several others are without it and look fine. I'll ask for it to be removed.
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Will do.
Won't be until sometime next week though. :)
David
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Actually I don't think bigger planes will improve it. I like them as-is. It's getting crowded, as the proportions are slightly smaller than the default image had.
If you make the planes larger, you simply take up whatever room is left. That's not the goal, to crowd it. It needs a sense of empty space, in my opinion. I'd like it if the patch were slightly larger but everything else were still the same size (just shifted in proportion outwards a bit).
I like the planes as-is (with the corsair wing getting fixed, I mean). Agree on "Tokyo" removal. maybe just a circle. You have the same problem making a star as you do typing "Tokyo". I say a circle or square would do just fine, just make it stand out more. I could barely see there was a smudge where "Tokyo" was supposed to be.
EDIT: The dot is already there. I say just remove the text over it.
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Whatever you guys decide is fine with me -- whatever you post and like as artwork is what I'll go with next as a revision.
It is true that, even with planes at the current size, we can fix the shape of the Corsair wings.
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OLD VERSION
(http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/images/patch04.gif)
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NEW VERSION
1 - planes and their emblems enlarged
2 - "TOKYO" text removed, star enlarged.
(http://david.tenifer.com/343/images/patch06.500.gif)
Hi-Res Version Here (http://david.tenifer.com/343/images/patch06.hires.gif)
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OK, folks. Now that we see the options, are you (1) good with this new design with bigger planes, or do you (2) just want a correction to the wing shape in the patch the way it is (along with touchup of the Tokyo designation)?
(1) or (2) -- what's your vote?
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My vote would be for the second one with
the enlarged planes.
I was afraid that making the planes larger
would crowd the space and obscure other
detals but that doesn't seem to have happened.
The patch looks more balanced now to my eye.
Also, since the planes are larger, the size of the
plane emblems are also larger and should reproduce
better in thread than those on the first design did.
My vote is for the second design with the larger
planes. :)
David
"96Delta"
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I take one (bit late), im "allowed" to use my dads info so :D
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Originally posted by 96Delta
My vote would be for the second one with
the enlarged planes.
I was afraid that making the planes larger
would crowd the space and obscure other
detals but that doesn't seem to have happened.
The patch looks more balanced now to my eye.
Also, since the planes are larger, the size of the
plane emblems are also larger and should reproduce
better in thread than those on the first design did.
My vote is for the second design with the larger
planes. :)
David
"96Delta"
Ditto for me!:aok
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I too was a little hesitant when I thought of enlarged planes, but that does look good.
One minor point, but isnt't the F4U facing the wrong way?:p
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2. Bigger looks great. F4U inbound Tokyo. Heading the right way.
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damn that was such nice bait too....
I still reckon it should be headed the way we chased 'em :t
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2 looks very nice
MGD
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Thread Moved.
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Is this project still progressing forward Brooke?
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Yep. I just a couple of days ago prompted the patch company again on the next round of the patch proof. Things are still underway, and I will post the next patch proof here when I get it.
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Here is the latest sewout, based on the new design:
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/misc/aces_high/downfallSewout2.jpg)
They didn't do a die-cut edge (and kept the merrowed edge). I will ask them to correct that. As for the rest of it, what do you think?
The plane shapes aren't as clean as I'd like, but that can be due just to variation patch to patch and sewing over the rising-sun ridges and valleys.
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I think the larger planes are definitely an improvement.
I can't exactly make it out but what color thread is Japan?
Looks good. Should be awesome with the cut edge.
nice! :)
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I say take the star off the corsair and take the meatball off the ki61.
You don't get the tiny resolution you need. It's just not working at this size. Plus you get the entire country insignia behind the airplane shape. I think that illustrates what they belong to. Just my thoughts.
Now if only they could stitch straight wings and fuselages, without bowing them outward!
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I think that second proof is really nice, i'm still not liking the thick white outline on the planes though. Other then that it's got my vote:aok
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At this point, there is no more adjusting things like no outline vs. outline or removing things from aircraft. That needed to be settled on the first round where I asked for input.
The only point under consideration now is if you guys want me to check into shape of airplanes or not by asking to get a patch sent to me and checking it out -- or if it's good to go.
Good to go means I get them going. Me wrangling more means it will take 3 weeks longer.
So, let me hear a vote: choose (A) good to go or (B) check into plane shapes further.
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Good to GO! :aok
Its just a patch for Pete's sake. Not the Mona Lisa. :O
You are going to get the cut style though, right Brooke?
Your call, Merrowed edge or cut patch. Whatever you
decide is fine with me. <>
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Good to go.
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Good to GOGOGO!
Mona Lisa the NEXT one. :rofl
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Well I didn't realize it was at that stage. In THAT case I say "good to go" as well!
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Good To Go :aok
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Good to GO! :aok
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Good to go! :aok
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Somehow my subscription to this thread ended. Am I right in that the patches haven't shipped yet? I really want one. :D
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They are not done yet.
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Is there a time frame when they might be ready?
;)
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Good to go!:aok
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Looks good to me
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The Operation Downfall patches are in. They look like this:
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/downfall_2006/pics/downfallPatchScan400.jpg)
I will post here (and send e-mail) on how to get them. Please don't send me e-mail yet -- I will let you folks know soon.
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Way cool....
Standing by with e-mails ...:D
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Looks good. :)
can't wait to get my hands on a few!
David
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Very well done 96Delta and Brooke. I will be "IN" for a few as well.
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I haven't gotten an email yet...should I be worried? :noid
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Please include me in. They are tres mui kewl'
:aok :aok :aok :aok :aok
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Not to worry yet, OOZ.
We are in standby mode until Brooke has the time to contact everyone.
You and I will be in the first batch of Emails cause he always did like us best. :aok
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OK, I've finally got a system in place that streamlines the patch process.
It is explained here:
http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/patches/patches.html
Let me know if you have any questions about it.
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Donation Sent. :)
David
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Also sent donation for 2 patches. . . .
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Are there any older scenario patches left around? I have only "Stalin's Fourth" and "Fire over Malta". I will pay for patches and shipping. I would greatly appreciate it if anyone can hook me up.
Thanks, Oz
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Get in touch with Roscoroo through PMs. He's the one who'd have them laying around.
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I have to see if Rosco has spare Rangoon and Coral Sea patches. If so, I'll add them to the patch page as being available.
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money sent
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If he has Rangoon patchs, hold two for me, please.
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where do i get mine?? i want one, i need one!!
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When are the Op Down Fall patches being delievered? I ordered 1.
Thank you
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I ordered two and still haven't received them. . . .
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When the paypal account balance reaches $250.
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I still need to get the Operation Downfall patches over to Roscoroo.
When the paypal balance reaches about $250, I'll do the Battle of Britain patches.
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Thanks to a large donation from Nurminen, patch production has started on the Battle of Britain 2006 patches. I'll keep people informed of the progress in the BoB 2006 patches topic here:
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=189499
Also, I promise to get my lazy butt over to Roscoroo's place this week to drop off the Operation Downfall patches so that they can start going out.
Again, if you want a Downfall patch and if you haven't already sent your address to Roscoroo, please do so. (You can use the private message functionality on this message board to reach him.) Don't send your address to me -- he's the one who is kind enough to do the mailing. :)
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You can Email me at Roscoroo@hotmail dot com also ...
<--Feeds the Squirrels so they Don't Attack Brooke :D
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I ran the gamut of the squirrels. I'm missing a few patches of flesh but was able to protect all the patches.
So, Roscoroo now has the patches and is ready to ship them to anyone who requests one. Send your address to Roscoroo@hotmail dot com
If you donated, let Roscoroo know, and he'll send you several instead of just one.
They are beautiful patches:
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/downfall_2006/pics/downfallPatchScan200.jpg)
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Oh, Sure, Brooke.
"If you donated, let Roscoroo know, and he'll send you several instead of just one."
Like he would believe us if we told him? :D
<---ducks and runs and sliding around on Roscoroo's nuts (so to speak)
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Most of the gang around here is pritty honorable ... even if there a bunch of cherry picking,vulchering,hoin,gving,trolling dweebs :D
Did we have a bunch of Finns in downfall ??? I think it ran kinda late for them .. but if so and you guys want me to send a couple of packages i will again . That really worked out good last time . (plus cost 4 times less in post)
Keep the email's orders coming guys ... :aok
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Brooke did you get that envelope?
Thanks
Hajo
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Originally posted by SKJohn
I ordered two and still haven't received them. . . .
April 2nd and I still HAVE NOT received any Downfall patches, even though I was told a couple of weeks ago that they had been mailed. . . . .
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you should get them any day ... they were mailed out a week ago .
Not 2 weeks ago ... I spent the 1st week collecting addys ... its easier for me to run off everything in one huge pass ... then it is setting up office to run one or 2 at a time everyday.
P.s. Need more Addys for this weeks run ... So If you havent ordered yet ... its Time too.
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I got 1/2 my order today....
It is beeutifullll!
For everyone who spent so much time designing, changing, rechanging, rerechanging, redeisigning, reresdesigning, and then changing them to look like this....
Thank You! :aok
It was a long wait, but I've heard it told that good things come to those that wait. :D
I'll bet Roscoroo sews one on every squirrel he has.
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I got my patch today, very good job on the patch. It is beyond my expictations. I can't wait for the BoB patches to come out.
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I also got my patches!!!:) :) :) :)
They are really nice looking!
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I fixed HB's and SK's order today ... you guys can perch on your mailbox's this weekend :aok
And Now for the rest of ya that Havent ordered but participated in Downfall ....
Roscoroo@hotmail.com
Get me your addy and I'll get another batch posted this weekend.
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The downfall patch is truly a work of art! Got mine already.
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In a growing list of truly outstanding patches, I think the OpDownfall patch is the best yet.
Problem is, I said that about the last ones as well, so I can't wait to see the next lol
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Probably have to wait and see what folks come up with for Pearl, if that ever gets run.
For now, Downfall is the champ, and rightly so!
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A bit belated, but thank you, Mr. Roo.
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The next patch is Battle of Britain 2006 (probably will be available in a couple of weeks).
After that will be Operation Husky (our next scenario -- see ahevents.org for details).
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Thank you very much Roscoroo! Got it today:aok