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BAGHDAD, Iraq - Masked *****e gunmen stopped cars in western Baghdad, grabbing people from the street and separating Sunni Arabs from the rest, killing at least 37 people, police said, in a dramatic escalation of sectarian violence in the country.
An Interior ministry official, speaking on condition of anonymity for security reasons, said *****e militiamen wearing masks and black uniforms were roaming the neighborhood, checking the people identity cards, presumably for Sunni names. "They are killing civilians according to their identity cards," he said.
As an American, I think we should at least let the Iraqis have weapons to defend themselves. People being pulled out of their cars to be executed, sickening.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
As an American, I think we should at least let the Iraqis have weapons to defend themselves. People being pulled out of their cars to be executed, sickening.
Saddam had let the people posess weapons. Bloody dictator wasn't afraid of people turning their arms against him.
Go figure.
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AFAIK, Iraqis are able to keep weapons up to fully automatic AK-47s in their home or business and are able to carry guns with them with a permit.
Anyone seen anything different?
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
As an American, I think we should at least let the Iraqis have weapons to defend themselves. People being pulled out of their cars to be executed, sickening.
Have you posted your horrified responses to the bombing of the mosques by Sunnis? The bombings and beheadings by the Sunnis?
It's all horrible. But the Sunnis have been at the forefront of the slaughter, where was your indignation then?
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This has been going on for a while now. People are routinely shot or tortured for being one or the other sect. Sometimes you can be shot for by Sunnis for having a Shia name and vice versa. Police and government workers are always in danger on and off duty. Apparently there is a roaring trade in false identity cards.
We tend to only hear about the big atrocities and the now routine bombings but they pick bodies off the street every morning. It's constant, day after day.
It's a spiral of violence. Just how long it will go on is anybody's guess.
The situation for ordinary decent Iraqis is ghastly. At the moment the gunmen, criminals and fanatics hold sway. The US military can do nothing to stop it, busy as they are just preventing attacks on themselves by Insurgents.
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Originally posted by Dago
Have you posted your horrified responses to the bombing of the mosques by Sunnis? The bombings and beheadings by the Sunnis?
It's all horrible. But the Sunnis have been at the forefront of the slaughter, where was your indignation then?
maybe he was horrified then. have you checked?
slaughter is slaughter.. horrifying regardless of who is beeing killed
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AFAIK, Iraqis are able to keep weapons up to fully automatic AK-47s in their home or business and are able to carry guns with them with a permit
Edit: Found the answer. Iraqis are allowed to have some weapons, but they must register them. One Kalishnikov is allowed per family. Iraqis still had to give up many of their weapons, which they did not like.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EF07Ak03.html
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Have you posted your horrified responses to the bombing of the mosques by Sunnis? The bombings and beheadings by the Sunnis?
It's all horrible. But the Sunnis have been at the forefront of the slaughter, where was your indignation then?
Yeah, its all extremely brutal and sickening.
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Islam is a viscious dog religion. Worst religion on the planet.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa/07/08/somalia.radicals.ap/index.html
Before its all said and done, islam is going to take one hell of a beating. And it deserves it. Better sooner rather than later, once the islamic nations are fully armed with atomic weapons the entire planet is in for a ****storm. Lets take care of this problem now.
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The Hutus used national ID cards to identify and kill Tutsis in Rwanda.
Hey Britian, this is why typically manditory national IDs are a bad thing.
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Re-install Saddam under the occupational administration. He'll tell you a lot of interesting things to do.
But - sorry... It's already too late.
Human rights? Where did you see humans?
Iranian Shia ayatollas are sane people. They'll help you restoring order. In their own way...
What we'll see after American occupatiuon will be over will be the Islamic Republic of Iraq. With genocide, mass executions and gazavat as a political doctrine. Saddam was a kid compared to what is going to happenn :(
I said it 3 years ago, and so far everything goes this way :( I hope I was mistaken :(
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as long as they are happily killing each other instead of sticking bombs on our trains and buses, we should encourage them.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
as long as they are happily killing each other instead of sticking bombs on our trains and buses, we should encourage them.
Maybe they'll all kill each other and we can leave?
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Originally posted by Pooh21
as long as they are happily killing each other instead of sticking bombs on our trains and buses, we should encourage them.
So far they set up bombs (someone set up us the bomb) in Moskow subway.
I don't want to get killed going home in the evening.
THEY blew up two apartment houses in the South of Moscow in 1999. They killed 300+ sleeping innocent people.
THEIR leaders live in the UK and US now.
I want to see all of them killed with a Russian bayonet. Bayonet. Like pigs. You guys, and your "democratically elected" governments, gave shelter to people responsible for this mass-murders. Evidence from an Orthodox priest who had his fingers cut off by Ahmat Zakayev was not enough for British justice to blame him, so the bastard still has a "political asylum" in the UK. Justice you say?
If you speak about "war on terror" - then let's work together. Let's hang the bastards and stop thinking about "political benefits".
Russian Federation follows a death-penalty moratory, that's why Euros don't accept us. **** them. We still have a death-penalty, and I want to see Shamil Basayev killed by a knife or a bayonet, like a pig. We don't execute ordinary criminals, but we kill a person who ordered a maternity hospital to be captured in 1995. Maternity hospital! He's not a human. Bayonet. Like a pig. Horrible death for a Moslim.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
as long as they are happily killing each other instead of sticking bombs on our trains and buses, we should encourage them.
Word.
Another "AVI" incident.
Edit: btw it stand for Ahole Versus Idiot. NHI fits too, Non Human Involvement. Old cop humor.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Russian Federation follows a death-penalty moratory, that's why Euros don't accept us. **** them.
hehe.. nope.. thats not the reason :p
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Originally posted by dmf
Maybe they'll all kill each other and we can leave?
Why wait? Let's leave now and see.
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Pre-invasion. Bush fanboys pointing to the fact Saddam kills Iraqis as some kind of justification for war.
Post-invasion. Bush fanboys rushing to defend exactly the same behaviour by the Shia militias who've now replaced the ba'athists.
Brilliant!
Originally posted by Pooh21
as long as they are happily killing each other instead of sticking bombs on our trains and buses, we should encourage them.
Terrorism is up across the globe, not just in Iraq; in fact some might say that's a consequence of attacking Iraq.
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Originally posted by Momus--
Post-invasion. Bush fanboys rushing to defend exactly the same behaviour by the Shia militias who've now replaced the ba'athists.
I have the solution. Let's invade Iran.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
hehe.. nope.. thats not the reason :p
True.
Nilsen, can you give a compact explaination why we are not allowed to join "united Europe"?
I don't want to join you guys, we are different.
We are prehistoric savages. We eat litlle kids alive. We don't ****ing like people who want to kill us, and it's not our problem.
About "united Europe": previous two times Europe was united - they tried to invade my country. Napoleon in 1812 and Hitler in 1941. Both times they, "civilised Europeans", got their buttocks kicked, including 1814-18 occupation of France and Belgium, unfortunately in 1945 such a lesson was impossible :(
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Originally posted by Boroda
True.
Nilsen, can you give a compact explaination why we are not allowed to join "united Europe"?
I don't want to join you guys, we are different.
We are prehistoric savages. We eat litlle kids alive. We don't ****ing like people who want to kill us, and it's not our problem.
About "united Europe": previous two times Europe was united - they tried to invade my country. Napoleon in 1812 and Hitler in 1941. Both times they, "civilised Europeans", got their buttocks kicked, including 1814-18 occupation of France and Belgium, unfortunately in 1945 such a lesson was impossible :(
hehe
first of all.. we are not part of "you guys" either
The rumor on the street is because the leadership is highly questionable. Human rights are not very far up on the agenda, the economy does not match the criteria set by the EU and so on.
(quiz time: how many of the occupied countries did Stalin pull put of when ww2 was over)
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Nilsen, I'll answer tomorrow, but how it comes that Euros accepted Latvia snd other Baltic nazi states so far?
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I guess it's for the same you support Belarus
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Originally posted by Boroda
Nilsen, I'll answer tomorrow, but how it comes that Euros accepted Latvia snd other Baltic nazi states so far?
I dunno.
They must have met the criterias, but one thing is for sure... They have applied and that is the first step. You cant say that Russia is not allowed to join when you have not even applied.
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Originally posted by Momus--
Pre-invasion. Bush fanboys pointing to the fact Saddam kills Iraqis as some kind of justification for war.
Post-invasion. Bush fanboys rushing to defend exactly the same behaviour by the Shia militias who've now replaced the ba'athists.
Brilliant!
Terrorism is up across the globe, not just in Iraq; in fact some might say that's a consequence of attacking Iraq.
Bush haters find no end of problems to hang on Bush. Terrorism, Global Warming, impotence, bad hair, etc.... We get it already.
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A bit of the topic...but Boroda, hold your horses.
Here are a few statements to digest.
Firstly, try to grasp that the nations formerly within the USSR somehow don't want to stick with Russia. Why would that be?
Secondly, they seem to be able to adapt quicker to the EU standards than Russia. Well, they're smaller, it happens quicker.
Thirdly, the Old USSR, although being invaded ONCE (after becoming the USSR), has a much higher score on the other end.
Fourthly, the USSR was somewhat reluctant of let-go.
Fifhtly, the old USSR was quite willing to do trades with things like ... Nazis.
Sixthly, - the majority of the tattered countries arsenals are...made in the USSR.
Seven "THEIR leaders live in the UK and US now."
Yeah, sure. And that's why the Brits and US are running after them in Iraq?
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Originally posted by Toad
AFAIK, Iraqis are able to keep weapons up to fully automatic AK-47s in their home or business and are able to carry guns with them with a permit.
Anyone seen anything different?
IIRC, the new constitution does not have language to guarantee the right to bear arms, which means the government can take them away
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I haven't seen anything in the new Constitution that deals with firearms at all. Have you?
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Mission Accomplished
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
Word.
Another "AVI" incident.
Edit: btw it stand for Ahole Versus Idiot. NHI fits too, Non Human Involvement. Old cop humor.
Do you think your LA gangs go into bagdad & quiet things down?
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Originally posted by Dago
Have you posted your horrified responses to the bombing of the mosques by Sunnis? The bombings and beheadings by the Sunnis?
It's all horrible. But the Sunnis have been at the forefront of the slaughter, where was your indignation then?
this was going on for 100's of years. Saddam is/was the only man who could control the heathens.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Saddam had let the people posess weapons. Bloody dictator wasn't afraid of people turning their arms against him.
Go figure.
Yes he was, otherwise he wouldn't have gassed the Kurdish village in the '80s, conducted mass executions of Shi'ites in the south after the 1st Gulf War or imprisoned/tortured or executed countless thousands of other Iraqis during his reign of power.
Saddam was basically a despot just like your very own Stalin was. It was that same fear that led Stalin to kill hundreds of thousands of your own countrymen.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Yes he was, otherwise he wouldn't have gassed the Kurdish village in the '80s, conducted mass executions of Shi'ites in the south after the 1st Gulf War or imprisoned/tortured or executed countless thousands of other Iraqis during his reign of power.
Saddam was basically a despot just like your very own Stalin was. It was that same fear that led Stalin to kill hundreds of thousands of your own countrymen.
ack-ack
I might be wrong, but I though Stalin was pretty widely credited with killing about 20 million.
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Yep and with the "advise" of the Nazi's purged almost his entire officer corps. Boy, I bet the Germans were laughing after they pulled that one off.
ack-ack
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That was Heydrich, right?
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Originally posted by Dago
I might be wrong, but I though Stalin was pretty widely credited with killing about 20 million.
More than that I thought. Last I heard the tally attributed was like:
Hitler et al: 30 million
Stalin et al: 60 million
Mao zedong et al: 80 million (or more)
Those numbers are not direct copy & paste; just an iirc from memory. I have to agree with Boroda about one thing, terrorists should be eliminated no matter who they strike. I was as angry about the attack on that school & the one where the gas was used in the movie theatre as I have ever been by an attack on the U.S.
And terrorism is not up across the globe, get real.
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Hitler + Stalin :D
(http://cairsweb.llgc.org.uk/images/ilw1/ilw0259.gif)
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This is truly sad if this trend continues Iraq with a current violent death rate of 27 per 100k people may one day be as dangerous as New Orleans (pre-Katrina) with 53/100k or Rio with 82 killings everday or 55/100k. How about Cloumbia with 63/100k or maybe they could beat out the Caribbean paradise of Jamaica with 32/100k. They may even be able to make the UN study of violence list which currently list the worlds most violent countries as 1. Scotland, 2. England, 3. Wales. Not trying to suggest that Iraq is not a dangerous place to be, just trying to keep the hype and politics about the war in perspective with the facts.
And yes Iraqi males are allowed 1 AK-47 per household, but it should be noted most of the worlds most dangerous cities have very strict gun control laws (Mexico for instance will put you in prison for the possession of a single bullet, but has very high murder rates) strict gun laws have never and will never lead to lower murder rates.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Islam is a viscious dog religion. Worst religion on the planet.
i agree %100.
However,radical Islam doesn't hold a candle to the terror inflicted by the Bush/Christian Fundamentalist/Saudi(Bin Laden) alliance.
How many dead Iraqi's are there now? vs How many victims of Islamic terrorism world wide?...What do you think is more?
Worst religion on the planet(Islam)?..Yes,definitely.
Viscious dogs?..The whole Bush Clan...GWB,GB(sr) and even Grandpa Bush(check out his business dealings with the Nazi's during WW2..while his son was fighting them)
Scary indeed.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
i agree %100.
However,radical Islam doesn't hold a candle to the terror inflicted by the Bush/Christian Fundamentalist/Saudi(Bin Laden) alliance.
How many dead Iraqi's are there now? vs How many victims of Islamic terrorism world wide?...What do you think is more?
Worst religion on the planet(Islam)?..Yes,definitely.
Viscious dogs?..The whole Bush Clan...GWB,GB(sr) and even Grandpa Bush(check out his business dealings with the Nazi's during WW2..while his son was fighting them)
Scary indeed.
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
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Ever seen the movie Hotel Rwanda? Sounds like the same story all over again.
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back in the old days of precolonial africa there was this tribe that worship the shlong (not gay, they just knew what life was really all about).
When a dude died, cut off his dong & nail it to a tree.
image you're in africa in the summer & its hot as - damn its just hot as africa in the summer & every time you want to sit in the shade theres some septugenarian crank dangling over you.
the tree werent just decorated for xmas, but 24/7/365.245 every tree got dried out decaying sausages swinging in the breeze.
thats the worst religon
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Originally posted by lukster
..impotence.... We get it...
Thanks for sharing; talk to a physician maybe?
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Viscious dogs?..The whole Bush Clan...GWB,GB(sr) and even Grandpa Bush(check out his business dealings with the Nazi's during WW2..while his son was fighting them)
Yeah! Those damn Nazis even shot Bush in the south Pacific!!!!:furious
:rolleyes:
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radical Islam doesn't hold a candle to the terror inflicted by the Bush/Christian Fundamentalist/Saudi(Bin Laden) alliance.
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Sounds like the Mujahideen have found a new poster boy :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Boroda
So far they set up bombs (someone set up us the bomb) in Moskow subway.
I don't want to get killed going home in the evening.
THEY blew up two apartment houses in the South of Moscow in 1999. They killed 300+ sleeping innocent people.
THEIR leaders live in the UK and US now.
I want to see all of them killed with a Russian bayonet. Bayonet. Like pigs. You guys, and your "democratically elected" governments, gave shelter to people responsible for this mass-murders. Evidence from an Orthodox priest who had his fingers cut off by Ahmat Zakayev was not enough for British justice to blame him, so the bastard still has a "political asylum" in the UK. Justice you say?
If you speak about "war on terror" - then let's work together. Let's hang the bastards and stop thinking about "political benefits".
Russian Federation follows a death-penalty moratory, that's why Euros don't accept us. **** them. We still have a death-penalty, and I want to see Shamil Basayev killed by a knife or a bayonet, like a pig. We don't execute ordinary criminals, but we kill a person who ordered a maternity hospital to be captured in 1995. Maternity hospital! He's not a human. Bayonet. Like a pig. Horrible death for a Moslim.
I agree. Also, as you already know, Shamil Basayev is dead.
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Originally posted by Boroda
If you speak about "war on terror" - then let's work together. Let's hang the bastards and stop thinking about "political benefits".
Holy crap, Beard, what's happened to you? I actually agree with you 100%. In fact, I even agreed with your subsequent statements regarding bayonets and pigs...
Until we're ready to settle for nothing short of total victory, at whatever cost may come to the enemy and his allies(and yes, this includes all those so-called moderate Arabs and Muslims that do nothing besides smile and quietly nod their heads in satisfaction every time a Westerner is killed), we'll never make any headway in this 'war'.
As for the Iraqi question, the only thing horrifying about this situation is that we continue to voluntarily stay in that cesspit. Give them all the guns and ammo they need and leave them to finish each other off. Talks of restructuring and foreign aid can reconvene when they're collectively ready to shop at Wallmart, pay federal taxes and vote for the next American Idol.
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Originally posted by Neubob
Holy crap, Beard, what's happened to you? I actually agree with you 100%. In fact, I even agreed with your subsequent statements regarding bayonets and pigs...
Until we're ready to settle for nothing short of total victory, at whatever cost may come to the enemy and his allies(and yes, this includes all those moderate Arabs and Muslims that do nothing besides smile and quietly nod their heads in satisfaction every time a Westerner is killed), we'll never make any headway in this 'war'.
As for the Iraqi question, the only thing horrifying about this situation is that we continue to voluntarily stay in that cesspit. Give them all the guns and ammo they need and leave them to finish each other off. Talks of restructuring and foriegn aid can reconvene when they're collectively ready to shop at Wallmart, pay federal taxes and vote for the next American Idol.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Toad
I haven't seen anything in the new Constitution that deals with firearms at all. Have you?
Exactly
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Originally posted by Dago
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
Why?
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Originally posted by Brenjen
And terrorism is not up across the globe, get real.
Your own State Department begs to differ.
Link. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/26/AR2005042601623.html)
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That is a report from over a year ago & it includes attacks in Iraq & Afghanistan as terrorism which to be fair, are really acts of partisan resistance to occupation for the most part. It's my opinion the violence happening in a war zone, should not be considered "terrorism". They did not report that violence in the initial report; and rightly so, but had to revise it because of political pressure.
Also, that is a link to a washington post article; not a State Dept. report.
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Originally posted by Brenjen
That is a report from over a year ago & it includes attacks in Iraq & Afghanistan as terrorism which to be fair, are really acts of partisan resistance to occupation for the most part. It's my opinion the violence happening in a war zone, should not be considered "terrorism". They did not report that violence in the initial report; and rightly so, but had to revise it because of political pressure.
Also, that is a link to a washington post article; not a State Dept. report.
Just curious if you consider car bombs blowing up in crowded marketplaces, near lines of police recruits and at polling stations to be partisan resistance? That is where most of the deaths are occuring in Iraq today.
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Originally posted by Brenjen
That is a report from over a year ago
I take it you've not looked at the 2005 report issued in April this year then? You know what? It gets worse..
2005 state Dept statistics. (http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/65489.pdf)
The 2005 report gives a total of 11,111 terrorist attacks worldwide. This is limited to attacks on non-combatants only.
The 2004 report refered to by the Washington Post gives no statistical analysis at all, which is the main complaint of the article. However if we look at the 2002 report, it supplies an annual total of terrorist incidents of 199 for the year.
2002 state Dept statistics (http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/20125.pdf)
2002: 199 incidents.
2005: 11,111 incidents.
To be fair, the two reports use differing methodologies, with the 2005 report applying a broader definition of terrorism, but that is still a significant increase in three years by any possible stretch.
& it includes attacks in Iraq & Afghanistan as terrorism which to be fair, are really acts of partisan resistance to occupation for the most part. It's my opinion the violence happening in a war zone, should not be considered "terrorism".
Read again. Attacks on US troops are not included in the figures. Also, according to the 2005 report, attacks on civilians in Iraq account for 31% of the total. Attacks in Afgahanistan represent less than 4.5%. So out of the masssive increase as discussed above, only just over 35% of these are taking place in these so-called warzones. So much for the "flypaper theory"..
Also, that is a link to a washington post article; not a State Dept. report.
So what? Are you claiming that the article is inaccurate in its summarising of the State Dept report in question? If so, how? Details please.