Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on July 10, 2006, 10:30:08 AM
-
ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2171984&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312)
:mad: How is this getting traction?
FWIW, I think Horowitz nailed it five years ago (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=1153) and he's still correct today.
I suspect that any legislation of this nature will be locked up in the SC for years. Thoughts?
-
I didn't read the article, how much money are we talking? If we pay will that put an end to welfare?
-
This is good news....
It'll help to push through all those proposed reparation programs that the Egyptians have been keeping from the Hebrews.
In all seriousness, this is nothing but another case of rampant white man's guilt. It'll help nobody, least of all the prospective recipients.
-
Might not be a bad idea since whites will be the minority in this country in 2050...maybe the predominently-black/spanish/asian elected officals in 2050 will treat us kinder?
-
I remember watching some talk show about 10 years ago. They had a black preacher on there and he has said the best thing to date on the issue: "Go ahead you (blacks) want the money, fine, shut up and now begin to work and give a damn." However, until the Egyptians pay the Hebrews for 5,000 years of slavery I will not pay.
-
simple solution everyone ones who wants reparations, give them 1 million in cash, then ship em to zimbabwe and somalia.
-
hard to respect a people who can only think of reparation as a way to supplement welfare.
lazs
-
Don't see how anyone alive in this country today should be paid reparations for an institution that ended almost 150 years ago.
-
Reparations for discrimination is valid..However if it didn't happen to you and you're filing suit on behalf of you ancestors..Too bad.
Same with "Natives"...I was born in this great country before you..Therefore i am also more native to this country than u.
They don't like it when u say that though.
-
If you show me one African American who was formerly a slave in this country, I'll gladly write him/her a check. :aok
-
If anything like that ever gets passed..I will stop paying taxes and deal with the consequesces of that decision. I REFUSE to pay a damned dime to those bums..They create their own problems, my money will not go towards paying for someones's Escalade on Chrome "Dubs".
-
Shouldn't big tobacco have to pay it all?
I have a better idea: reinstitute slavery formally. Illegals are a type of slave class anyhow, we just formalize and then you can write them down as capital depreciation as they age.
-
You paid them by taking them out of the poorest continent on the globe, that is ridden by disease, crime and corruption, and creating a better life of opportunity for ever single one of their descendants by making them citizens of the United States.
Surely that is payment enough?
-
Originally posted by Furball
You paid them by taking them out of the poorest continent on the globe, that is ridden by disease, crime and corruption, and creating a better life of opportunity for ever single one of their descendants by making them citizens of the United States.
Surely that is payment enough?
OMG from a your-O-peein no less.
:aok
Bronk
-
yeah well, i think i pissed off lazs by calling him old too many times in the squad forum. thought i better post something to cheer him up :D
-
I was surprised to see in the article laws being passed that required buisnesses to disclose slavery ties. Most noteably "insurance companies" which are likely to have large cash reserves on hand. I wonder how many insurance companies have been in business over 140 years ago?
-
Any individual that can prove they were kidnapped from Africa, transported to the US and forced to work as a slave from 1492 to 1865 is welcome to put in a claim for reparations. Absent that proof, they have no claim. Decendents who wish to return to their "homeland" should be allowed a free one way coach class ticket on an airline traveling there after they surrender their American Citizenship.
-
Originally posted by Vudak
If you show me one African American who was formerly a slave in this country, I'll gladly write him/her a check. :aok
But they're all still slaves. Slaves under the boot of the white man's corporate tyranny, slaves to the narcotics, the alcohol and the guns provided in abundance to keep the urban dweller out of the cycle of success so effectively established and monopolized by the white man.
They're slaves to the white man's banks, to the white man's institutions of higher education, even to the white man's hunger for money and power, which the innocent black man carries on his shoulders for a promise of wealth and respect--wealth and respect that like every other thing the white man has given, is false and fleeting.
They're slaves to the white man's food, which keeps so many in poor, failing health, and then they're slaves to the white man's medical system, which gives nothing while taking so much.
They're slaves to the white man's children, who crave a connection with the urban lifestyle so much that they finance its propogation with their spending money. They're slaves to the millions of screaming white faces, who, almost like the spectators at a gladiatorial match, wait in ecstatic anticipation of yet another maimed or killed black athlete or artist.
They're even slaves to the white man's woman, who, like the fair-skinned vampire she is, sucks the life, the will and the dignity from any unfortunate black man whose weaknesses draw him to this evil creature.
They're slaves to the white man's language, the white man's etiquette and laws. Slaves to the white man's religions, the white man's causes, the white man's hatred. Slaves to the white man's gas prices.
They're slaves to the system, the society, the very land that they do so much to make powerful.
And now, they're slaves to my sarcasm
Victory is mine.
-
Originally posted by Ripsnort
Might not be a bad idea since whites will be the minority in this country in 2050...maybe the predominently-black/spanish/asian elected officals in 2050 will treat us kinder?
Whites are already the minority in four or five states.
-
Originally posted by jigsaw
Whites are already the minority in four or five states.
So?
-
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Originally posted by a small group of jealous caucasians
-
sure give them reperations. Then I would hope the Irish would be next asking for them.
Anyone with a good sense of humor read The REDNECK MANIFESTO: HOW HILLBILLIES HICKS AND WHITE TRASH BECAME AMERICAS SCAPEGOATS (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684838648/sr=8-1/qid=1152579105/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-6733999-5423953?ie=UTF8)
There where a good portion of "white slaves" called endentured servents who where treated just as badly if not worse then their african counterparts brought here.
When we are all done we should charge the dutch for the bill as they started it all. ;)
-
Originally posted by Chairboy
So?
It's not 2050.
-
How much negro slave genes do I have to have in me to qualify for a cash payback?
Im sure I have some black in me somewhere and I could sure use the cash...danged white boys :mad:
-
Hmmm....I think the government should pay reparations to all Native Americans and those who have at least 1/32 Native American ancestry.
Let's see...there are approximately 2 billion acres in the United States...and they are a bargain at $500 an acre...that comes to...let's see...about $1trillion...to be divided among the approximately 20 million Americans who meet the requirements...comes to...
...$50,000 per person.
Okay...PAY UP!!
-
Originally posted by Shuckins
Hmmm....I think the government should pay reparations to all Native Americans and those who have at least 1/32 Native American ancestry.
Let's see...there are approximately 2 billion acres in the United States...and they are a bargain at $500 an acre...that comes to...let's see...about $1trillion...to be divided among the approximately 20 million Americans who meet the requirements...comes to...
...$50,000 per person.
Okay...PAY UP!!
I'm sure with enough finesse I could find 1/32nd native ancestery in my gene pool.
WOOOO HOOO IM RICH BIACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-
Originally posted by Shuckins
Hmmm....I think the government should pay reparations to all Native Americans and those who have at least 1/32 Native American ancestry.
Let's see...there are approximately 2 billion acres in the United States...and they are a bargain at $500 an acre...that comes to...let's see...about $1trillion...to be divided among the approximately 20 million Americans who meet the requirements...comes to...
...$50,000 per person.
Okay...PAY UP!!
But the Louisiana Purchase was bought from France. It was France that stole it... and Azatlan was taken as war booty from the Mexicans who stole it from the Natives there, and the Gadsen Purchase... Mexico, Alaska... Russia, Oregon Territory... England???
Seems to me that Mexico and some Euros need to pay up on that one.
As for the slavery issue, 620,000 paid in full for that one and 1 in 7 men paid a portion.
-
It's a well established fact that man originated in Africa. Given this fact we are all Africans. Thus stated, if you are an American then you're African-American by default.
Where's my money, b*tch!!!
-
I descend from the Hebrews. I didn't get a piece of Israel, so I want my piece of the Pyramids and I want it now. And while the Egyptians are at it, I want a BMW or Mercedes with one of those neato wide license plates from the Krauts.
-
I've changed my mind on this reparations stuff. For each and every person who feels their ancestors were wronged by being brought to this country and enslaved, I'd gladly vote for a law to see them established in their ancestor's country of origin with their very own hut with whatever crude tools were typical at the time of the kidnapping/purchase. And naturally their US Citizenship would be revoked.
-
I still don't get why I'm in the lower-class and yet there are african-americans getting free rides to college to play football and baseball, go into the majors and making MILLIONS.
I'll pay reparations when theres no such thing as middle-class and everyone is happy and has money.
-
Cant wait till ET comes down and starts demanding his cut of all the books, movies and TV shows about him/her/it
and start crying about how they are discriminated against, get shot at by fighter planes used as scapegoats for bizarr govt. testing and coverups!!.
All the abuse they have taken by being associated with the lunatic fringe of society
How they have been used to make humans (mostly white ones) rich while they got NOTHING!!!!
Wheres the righteus indignation for them??!!!
:noid <~~kinda fits dont it?
-
Ok, here's a true story.
Sitting in the school cafeteria one morning, a black kid walks up to me and asks for $5. Being that I normally don't carry much, if any cash to school, I politely responded "no I don't". He then proceeds to hound me on how it is bullsh** because my ancestors held his ancestors as slaves. If I wasn't angry over the comment I would have laughed because as far as I know, my grandparents on my dad's side didn't immigrate until the late 1800's- early 1900's. Same with my mom's side, only they came over a little earlier, around 1850 or so.
That being said, kids have horrible work ethics or something because almost every day I get asked for money. A quarter, a nickel, what are you going to buy with a nickel? Like I said, it's rare for me to carry cash, so when I say no....I get the always humourous, "what a lying POS" or something along those lines.
Cheers!
-
Originally posted by jigsaw
It's not 2050.
Again.... so? He said that whites were no longer the majority in 5 states, and I'm asking why that's a big deal. Doesn't matter if it's 2006 or 2050, what's wrong?
What exactly are you folks saying?
-
furball is one of the smarter your-0-peeans on this or any board but... that will not stop me from going to his work and spanking him in front of all his co-workers tho. But first.... I will tell everyone that he is my illegitimate son.
The redneck manifesto is a great book. I would reccomend that anyone who wishes to get a liitle perspective and has a sense of humor rea.... oops... that would leave out liberals and colored people wouldn't it?
Lincoln established Liberia so that all the slaves could go back home... no takers. They are not like jews who can turn desert into paradise... they can turn paradise into an aides infected genocidal hell.
There is no ghetto in the U.S. worse than the hell they make for themselves anywhere that they are in control.
lazs
-
Oh... sandie... Have you read "radical son"?
lazs
-
Originally posted by Chairboy
What exactly are you folks saying?
The answer you're fishing for is that he's sensing the paradigm shift and it makes him uncomfortable. Any paradigm shift will have a similar effect, especially when the people in question had historically represented the dominant majority. Now that things are changing, he, along with the rest of us, are left to ponder the implications of such a change. Personally, I don't believe anyone, white, black, asian or hispanic, that says these demographic shifts, however gradual, don't make them at least slightly anxious. It's not about racism, it's about the end of a status quo that's always favored one single group. The fact that the new demographic cross-section will favor nobody signals the beginning of something new. For the kids of today, it will be meaningless, but for the adults, it will be visible and perhaps even play a role in their lives. It's only natural to wonder how these changes will effect each of us personally.
-
Originally posted by Vudak
If you show me one African American who was formerly a slave in this country, I'll gladly write him/her a check. :aok
Why is is it "African American" if they were not born in "Africa" then they are NOT African American they are just American....
-
Originally posted by Chairboy
So?
What do you mean 'so'?
There's an established record of 'black' /Hispanic rulecontrol' going back 100s of years. There's a record of black control in certain areas / cities in the US going back decades. None of these are places are 'desirable' to live in. People who live there seek to 'escape'.
Ethiopia and Haiti have long established 'black' rule. Laz mentioned Liberia. Look at Zimbabwe or South Africa of examples of what happens when 'whites 'hand over control to the 'natives'. Look to South America for examples Hispanic rile. Mexico isn't a poor country just because... Its country that has suffered under bad government for too long and the out look for the future isn't much better. What makes you think it would be any different in the US, whether it be black or Hispanic majority control?
They will prey on each other all the while continuing to blame 'whitey'or 'Anglos'. The re-distribution of wealth will reach new levels as the new 'majority' gains the political power to 'enact justice' for years of 'oppression'. Do you think there would even be a debate on 'reparations' if blacks/Hispanics were in the majority now?
If they could rule themselves I could understand a 'so'. All the prevailing 'evidence' proves they can not. They can't do it in the US where they are under the supervision of the Consitution and the 'white majority' and they can't do it else where in the world where they have 'full control'.
-
Originally posted by Bruno
If they could rule themselves I could understand a 'so'. All the prevailing 'evidence' proves they can not. They can't do it in the US where they are under the supervision of the Consitution and the 'white majority' and they can't do it else where in the world where they have 'full control'.
Perhaps, perhaps....
I think there's another thing to consider, though. A popular majority doesn't gaurantee control. Economic majority is a better bet. If and when these minorities manage to rise from their own filth and create wealth instead of simply leeching it, they will then become part of the conservative ruling class. Sure, the gangs will continue, the savage behavior will prevail in certain parts, but, at the same time, upward mobility among these soon-to-be former minorities will likely become more common place as well. Socio-economic strata will become less socio and more economic, and the cash will remain a deciding factor, if not THE deciding factor when it comes to political agendas. Black, brown, yellow, white or red, nobody that worked hard and earned his money ever gives it up easily or on a whim.
As for reparations, I'm sure that the new minority will have plenty of advocacy groups working hard for them.
-
That's theory, post examples of where this has happened in the past. What has happened is as segments rise they come under attack from those 'gangs' and their wealth is 're-distributed'. The 'have-nots' will always have their demagogue who plays the two off each other in order to gain power for himself. Eventually, the 'have-nots' will split and begin fighting with each other making any future upward mobility impossible just as can be documented in any one of the nations I mentioned in my previous post.
-
Wow, minorities = filth? "They" need to be ruled by whites?
The racism speaks for itself.
-
Originally posted by Chairboy
Wow, minorities = filth?
Neubob didn't say 'minorities are filth'. Why build such a strawman?
What he said was:
If and when these minorities manage to rise from their own filth and create wealth instead of simply leeching it
There is truth in that, we are all responsible for our own conditions in life and how we respond to the obstacles that life puts in front of us. Unless of course you agree with the 'poor me, please give me some money I am oppressed'...
"They" need to be ruled by whites?
[/b]
While *they may not need to be rules by 'whites' *they certainly have shown *they are incapable of 'good government' on their own. When folks show concern over the possibility that one day they may have to live under such 'poor government' it is based on on reality. As bad as the US government already is, it can get much worse.
*Wow that evil they word...
The racism speaks for itself.
[/b]
Who are you kidding, you were waiting to use the 'racism' tag ever since you started with your stupid 'who, what, where, so...' nonsense.
Whether it's racism or not is irrelevant as long as it is true.
-
Originally posted by Chairboy
Wow, minorities = filth? "They" need to be ruled by whites?
The racism speaks for itself.
You only see what you want to see, chairboy.
Just as Bruno astutely pointed out, You've had the racism card cocked and ready since you started fishing around a few posts back. Now that your constipated sense of righteousness has finally taken a much-needed dump, I hope you can sit back and relax.
Minorities don't equal filth. I never said that. They do, however, seem to produce and thrive in it more than the current majority. Before you call me a racist, I suggest you take a drive back down to southern california, find an area of dense concentration of any 'downtrodden minority', and compare it to the white-dominated enclave where you've made your home. And if after that you're still better than me, go ahead and move your family and your kids into that minority-dominated neighborhood(because it makes no difference, right?), live there about a year, and write back. I spent a year in South Central Los Angeles, surrounded by the people and the behavior that have formulated these unenlightened opinions. I did it voluntarily, for the experience more than anything else. Needless to say, when my lease ended, I got up and moved back to civilization.
Where does your perspective come from?
BRUNO....
In regards to your request of an example, I'm afraid I cannot give you one. This, however, does not preclude the possibility. The situation here is pretty unique, and some of the signs of positive change are there, if you look hard enough. Minorities are going seeking and receiving higher education, now more than ever, certain segments are also earning more. Based on these facts, I have to leave open the possibility that this will continue, and that as populations grow, proportionatly growing percentages will be achieving success in the old American Dream sense of the word. Either way, I'm still of the belief that the money will rule, not the numbers. The money, thankfully, is almost never found in abundance in the hands of radical anarchists.
-
To use a descriptive term, trash is trash no matter what the color. It doesn't make a damn bit of difference what the color of the outside is if the inside is full of apathy, destructiveness, self pity and a lack of desire to improve themselves. This is not a racist stsatement, it's a statement of observation that some people could drop into paradise and make it over into a sewer or land fill because they are too damned lazy to walk to the disposal point or flush their own waste.
Other people who decide that they are willing to work to make their station in life better will succeed based on their own labor and drive, not by being given handouts on demand and kept in a basic state of survival.
If you want it, work for it and make it happen. If you can't be concerned to change your own life at least get out of the way of those who do aspire to be better and do better for their kids.
-
Minorities are only around to show us what happens if we don't go to work every day and do a good job.
-
I have allways felt that reparations and afirmative action and all the other forms of discrimiantion that the liberal socialists and the government force on us was....
purpose designed to keep people at each others throats and fighting amungst ourselves.... Most of us would gladly work alongside of another man of any race but...
We all hate the seeming whining of the prominent "leaders" of the races and the outlandish demands and such.
The result is that most of us would avoid any contact with people of other races if possible.
I know I do... simply not worth it. Nothing in common anymore. They want a different America than me. I want individualism and everyone treated equally under the law.
They want socialism and equality of result.
lazs
-
Originally posted by lazs2
I want individualism and everyone treated equally under the law.
That flies in the face of your view on gay marriage though don't it lasz..
-
The only way this issue could gain any traction is if some pols see a way to make political hay out of it.
Which raises some interesting questions? Fascinating questions, actually.
What possible benefit could either party realize from this issue?
How can the Democratic Party, which has a decades long partnership with the black voter, take advantage of this without permanently alienating white, middle-class voters?
This voting group might leave the Democratic party in droves if reparations becomes reality.
Would such an issue drive a wedge between Black and Hispanic voters?
In what ways could the reparations issue hurt the Republicans...if at all? They certainly won't lose many Black voters...since less than ten percent of Blacks vote Republican anyway.
Black friends who I have discussed this issue with are leary of it. They just want a fair shot at earning an honest living for themselves and their families...they don't want a hand out...just a helping hand. Or, at the very least, that everyone get out of their way while they try to snare a portion of the American dream.
-
In regards to your request of an example, I'm afraid I cannot give you one. This, however, does not preclude the possibility. The situation here is pretty unique, and some of the signs of positive change are there, if you look hard enough. Minorities are going seeking and receiving higher education, now more than ever, certain segments are also earning more.
The situation here is no more unique then it was anywhere else. Once the current 'minorities' come into real political power they will want to keep it. They will split along ethnic, class and regional lines. The numbers of those on top will always be smaller then those in the middle or on the bottom. In the struggle for power the demagogue will play the class card just as he uses the race card now. He will promise the bottom that the only reason they are at the bottom and kept there is because of the 'sell outs at the top'. Just as they continue to blame 'whitey' today and demand hand-outs as a form of 'justice' they will do the same against each other. Conflict between demagogues would be inevitable. It has been shown in the past that these people would just as well destroy what opportunities they have in the pursuit of instant gratification then to sacrifice for the future.
What kind of 'economy' and 'upward mobility' do you think there will be if the Federal Government starts paying out repartitions to whoever cries and whines the loudest? Corporations being extorted over things that happened over a hundred years ago. Not to mention the 'rich must pay there fair share, etc...'
All this plays well with the current 'minorities' and it will sound even better when it's the song of a demagogue of their own kind.
Based on these facts,
I didn't see any facts, just a lot of wishful thinking. All we have to base our judgments on is on what has happened historically. No where has the transfer of power, as being discussed here, followed your model.
But that's not really my point. Chairboy played deaf, dumb, and blind looking for any opportunity to throw out the word 'racist'. Ultimately concluding that if anyone has any concern over the changing racial demographics within the US then that must mean they are racists. Well that maybe so, but these 'racists' have a whole host of references to base their concerns on. Dismissing them as 'racists' doesn't minimize their real concerns.
I have to leave open the possibility that this will continue, and that as populations grow, proportionatly growing percentages will be achieving success in the old American Dream sense of the word.
Sure there's a possibility things might even get better but history does not back that up...
-
Originally posted by SirLoin
That flies in the face of your view on gay marriage though don't it lasz..
So SirLoin wants to marry Richard Simmons? You go girl! :cool:
-
Originally posted by Shuckins
The only way this issue could gain any traction is if some pols see a way to make political hay out of it.
Which raises some interesting questions? Fascinating questions, actually.
What possible benefit could either party realize from this issue?
How can the Democratic Party, which has a decades long partnership with the black voter, take advantage of this without permanently alienating white, middle-class voters?
This voting group might leave the Democratic party in droves if reparations becomes reality.
Would such an issue drive a wedge between Black and Hispanic voters?
In what ways could the reparations issue hurt the Republicans...if at all? They certainly won't lose many Black voters...since less than ten percent of Blacks vote Republican anyway.
Black friends who I have discussed this issue with are leary of it. They just want a fair shot at earning an honest living for themselves and their families...they don't want a hand out...just a helping hand. Or, at the very least, that everyone get out of their way while they try to snare a portion of the American dream.
Check it out... an informed opinion completely devoid of rancor or spite.
Well done.
-
Maybe this reparations thing might be a good idea. Those of you Americans with Irish ancestry might care to read this.
http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/1638
Yes, that's right, quite a few Irish were sent to the Americas as slaves.
Roll on the reparations gravy train!
-
Why am I hearing David Allen Coe songs in my head now?
-
Advocates who say black Americans should be compensated for slavery and its Jim Crow aftermath are quietly chalking up victories and gaining momentum.
Pleanty are alive that experianced Jim Crow and other forms of racism, includeing hate murders. Congress even refused to help protect returning service men of WWII from being lynched.
Ya .... that was 150+ years ago... :huh
It's not just about slavery. So many of your argurements are moot.
-
Originally posted by BluKitty
Pleanty are alive that experianced Jim Crow and other forms of racism, includeing hate murders. Congress even refused to help protect returning service men of WWII from being lynched.
Ya .... that was 150+ years ago... :huh
It's not just about slavery. So many of your argurements are moot.
Hundreds of German/Jewish refugees were turned back after making the trans-atlantic voyage to America during the war, only to be recaptured and returned to the camps, most of them never to see the light of day again. To this day, Jews are regularly excluded from exclusive white country clubs all across the country. Jewish civil rights activists were lynched right alongside their black and white comarades in the deep south during the 50s and 60s.
During my high school days, I saw more than my fair share of subtle, and notso subtle hazing and prodding by my rich WASP classmates. I was made to feel alone, alienated and, at times, even threatened....
A few weeks ago, I saw a swastika on a temple just a few miles down the road, in our Nation's Capitol... And in other places, all around the nation and the world, Neo Nazism is alive and strong. In fact, in case you haven't heard, we secretly control the economy, the entertainment and the federal government.
Since the arguments agaisnt reparations are moot, I want to know, where's my damned money???
I'll tell you where it is...Last year, when I started the process of applying to Law School, I learned that if I'd belonged to a certain demographic, I could get into the top schools with lower LSAT scores and a lower GPA. Big surprise, my status as a Jew didn't help me one bit. If I were a black jew, however, I'd have gotten a full ride to UCLA LAW.
The reparations have been made, by private hands as well as public, in the form of numerous aids and crutches designed to 'give a helping hand' to the downtrodden. The result is what we have today, quotas, affirmative action and a ubiquotious excuse and rallying cry. And are we better off? Are the minorities better off?
Nobody living in this nation today deserves any guilt money, and until somebody founds the National Association for the Advancement of Everyone Else, it will remain so.
-
Laying aside all our natural sympathetic tendencies toward the sufferings of our fellow man, this is bad policy.
While using the term "slippery slope" is trite, it is nevertheless applicable here.
Not only is that slope steep, that sucker is greased.
The implications and possible consequences of implementation are staggering:
The hard-won gains in income of middle-class blacks and the respect of their white counterparts would be placed in jeopardy. A permanent split might open between the two groups.
A one-time payment would accomplish little and provide no incentive for lower class blacks to strive for economic and academic achievement. This class has suffered the disastrous, debilitating effects of an idiotic welfare policy, which has accomplished little aside from garnering votes for the pols who sponsored it.
In addition, a one-time payment would be unlikely to satisfy those elements in the black community that are addicted to the government tit. It would merely whet their appetite for more. A more likely form for reparations would likely be a long-term annual or monthly payment.
Who would pay for all this? The businesses who were involved in the fostering of slavery in the U.S.? White-people exclusively? All tax payers?
What happens when other ethnic groups, and there are a plethora of them, start demanding compensation for past wrongs. The Irish, Native Americans, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Arabs, Egyptians, Lawyers, and Rednecks?
The costs would be monumental...and a deadly drain on the economy.
-
Forcing apologies is a strong arm tactic and doesn't accomplish anything but more resentment. What bothers me most is universities apologizing for having a building on campus built by slaves. Instead of apologizing, the universities should be giving recognition to the contribution made by slaves, and emphasize the fine work they did. Slaves had many talents and this is what should be given credit imo. It bothers me that anything associated with slaves is automatically shunned, rather than being celebrated as a part of our heritage.
Les
-
sirloin.... I have no idea what your point is. marriage is not a human right. As such... laws can be made about it so long as everyone is equal under the law.
It is an institution that treats everyone the same. There are rules however. the rules are based on what the people paying the price think is worth rewarding.
One of those rules is that the marriage consist of a man and a woman together and faithful.
everyone is able to participate. I am single and do not want to get into that kind of a relationship so... I am just as "discriminated" against as any gay person... in fact.... more so... many gays can and have had married relationships with the opposite sex.
By your reasoning... no one could own property simply because they could afford it.... if titles to property were given out they would have to be given out equaly to everyone.
Good idea or bad.... marriage between man and a woman is what was the rule allmost everyone wanted... if gays want a marriage and the benifiets then they need to get their own form or.... put it up to the people to vote on. It is not a right and it is not a discrimination.
I will be glad to discuss the very simple facts of this with you in private if you are unable to understand what I have written here.
lazs
-
Originally posted by lukster
I didn't read the article, how much money are we talking? If we pay will that put an end to welfare?
Pretty Funny - Good one! :lol
-
Originally posted by lazs2
sirloin.... I have no idea what your point is. marriage is not a human right. As such... laws can be made about it so long as everyone is equal under the law.
It is an institution that treats everyone the same. There are rules however. the rules are based on what the people paying the price think is worth rewarding.
One of those rules is that the marriage consist of a man and a woman together and faithful.
everyone is able to participate. I am single and do not want to get into that kind of a relationship so... I am just as "discriminated" against as any gay person... in fact.... more so... many gays can and have had married relationships with the opposite sex.
By your reasoning... no one could own property simply because they could afford it.... if titles to property were given out they would have to be given out equaly to everyone.
Good idea or bad.... marriage between man and a woman is what was the rule allmost everyone wanted... if gays want a marriage and the benifiets then they need to get their own form or.... put it up to the people to vote on. It is not a right and it is not a discrimination.
I will be glad to discuss the very simple facts of this with you in private if you are unable to understand what I have written here.
lazs
:aok