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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SirLoin on July 10, 2006, 11:38:02 PM
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1:Winter terrain
2:People switching sides for play ballance
3:Close range icon settings
4:Historical plane-sets
5:No big red dar-bar horde intent on vulching an airfield
6:Not having to worry about a high 109 while fighting a P47
7:Listening to whines about the map being too small
8:Excellant bak-at-ya fites with some of the best pilots in AH
9:Not having to squelch Doom on ch200
10:Me..When Mindano is up in MA with 500+
:D
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:aok
Sondog and I had a good time in there Saturday night. Lots of good fights and lots of praise for a young stick.
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4:Historical plane-sets
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Yea only until it doesn't suit them.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Yea only until it doesn't suit them.
Bronk
"them" who?
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Slash lets not get into it again.
Staff have stated planes will be omitted to balance plane set.
Nuff said.
Bronk
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If "nuff" has been said why is it brought up agian?
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Because
4:Historical plane-sets
Is going against what you have said yourself.
I wanted to clarify .
Hope that's OK with you?
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
Because
Is going against what you have said yourself.
I wanted to clarify .
Hope that's OK with you?
Bronk
Go dig up where I contridicted myself on "historical plane sets" and Ill agree with you. Assumptions dont count as facts btw.
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I have had times in the ava that were fun and times that were worse than the ma...
the historical planesets mostly sucks with very little variety and... the place can be nothing but a few squads gangbanging .... it also does have it's share of timid players the players are not anything special either...but...
The ma has gotten so bad lately that... Oh well... I think the only way most people in the ma want to fight is if they can get planes landing or taking off or.... in that first visor down jousting head on charge.
The ma has proven that teamwork and organization lead to boredom.
The ma has proven that if you have a game with a really low price per month you get a whole bunch of guys that you would be better off not having to play.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Lazs just because ma is boredom for you doesn't me the others don't enjoy it.
"6:Not having to worry about a high 109 while fighting a P47"
-You wish
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Originally posted by SirLoin
4:Historical plane-sets
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
10/10 for having the unmitigated nerve to post it.
Slight change -
4:Hysterical plane-sets
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Originally posted by Kev367th
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
10/10 for having the unmitigated nerve to post it.
Slight change -
4:Hysterical plane-sets
How about "more historical than what you find in the MA," does that suit you?
I'm constantly amazed that three or four dogs in the manger feel such a compulsion to trash the AvA whenever it comes up. If you don't want to fly there, that's fine, but why the knee-jerk tirades over something you know very little about?
- oldman
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LOL come on OM, you know it's easier to bash and ridicule rather than offer something constructive, or listen to sound reasoning!!:aok
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Originally posted by daddog
:aok
Sondog and I had a good time in there Saturday night. Lots of good fights and lots of praise for a young stick.
Did Sondog tell you about flying me into the water tower?
It wasn't the high point of my AH flying, but it was the funniest. You got quite a 109 experten on your hands there Dad.
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anyway we can use any of those cool ava maps in the MA?
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Originally posted by 1Duke1
LOL come on OM, you know it's easier to bash and ridicule rather than offer something constructive, or listen to sound reasoning!!:aok
Cmon, every time Kev has a problem with a plane set he backs it up.
Then every time the same reason is used " If plane X is in the set people wont fly here.".
I have no problem with the AvA I fly in there when MA bores me.
I'll fly what ever is in the plane set.
Just don't go calling it historical cus we all know it is not.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Slash27
Go dig up where I contridicted myself on "historical plane sets" and Ill agree with you. Assumptions dont count as facts btw.
OK you said
"Go ahead dig up when and where then current AvA staff made claim that all sets will be 100% historically accurate 100% of the time while always catering to a LW squads whims and wishes. I'll settle if you can find where its even implied.
Assumtions, personal bias, baseless accusations, and lies. You guys consider that a valid argument?".
From thread
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=178786&perpage=40&highlight=historicly%20accurate&pagenumber=1
Now you will reply with 100% being a caveat.
As to the personal Bias comment yup both sides.
You want to call it trying to be accurate . I jump up and down calling you on it.
Baseless accusations??? I was agreeing with only with kev on Spit MK entry dates.
Lies now you can go find something about this topic I lied about.
Hows that for a valid argument ehh.
Guys don't think I have something against the AvA staff. Cuz I don't. You all do a thankless job. We just have a difference of opinion. I get mixed information from the ava staff.. like this thread for instance.
Like I said in other posts on this topic either you strive to be accurate or you don't. Subbing for planes that are missing yup good call can work with it. But burring you heads in the sand and ignoring an AC that was actually used.... Come on .
Bronk
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Originally posted by Oldman731
How about "more historical than what you find in the MA," does that suit you?
I'm constantly amazed that three or four dogs in the manger feel such a compulsion to trash the AvA whenever it comes up. If you don't want to fly there, that's fine, but why the knee-jerk tirades over something you know very little about?
- oldman
Oldman,
I am not trashing the AvA or it's staff. What I am doing is pointing out what I see is a flaw nothing more.
Lemme reverse this a little bit suppose you didn't add the k4 to a plane set.
Then you add cause it would be to unbalancing. What you do you suppose would happen.
Bronk
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1:Winter terrain
should read: 1:Wineter terrain with Altitude spawns.
mosy won't fly in the AvA for several reasons, people runnin other people off by treating them like crap,no spit 16's, la's or other late war dweeb rides that are on full time in the MA.I have always promoted the AvA but it is really hard too get folks to come in there and play.maybe change the name again,that always sparks intrest.........
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Originally posted by lazs2
I have had times in the ava that were fun and times that were worse than the ma...
the historical planesets mostly sucks with very little variety and... the place can be nothing but a few squads gangbanging .... it also does have it's share of timid players the players are not anything special either...but...
The ma has gotten so bad lately that... Oh well... I think the only way most people in the ma want to fight is if they can get planes landing or taking off or.... in that first visor down jousting head on charge.
The ma has proven that teamwork and organization lead to boredom.
The ma has proven that if you have a game with a really low price per month you get a whole bunch of guys that you would be better off not having to play.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Nobody has to go to the main arena if they don't want to.
Word of advice: if you don’t want to be quoted for being critical of the Main Arena.., resist the urge — don’t criticize it. If tempted close your eyes and repeat the phrase "Lots of good fights" or join the closest horde.
Through long experience, this has been found to be the most effective way to rejoin your fellow sleepwalkers...
Reo
Crisis Communications for Women’s Wear Daily
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
should read: 1:Wineter terrain with Altitude spawns.
mosy won't fly in the AvA for several reasons, people runnin other people off by treating them like crap,no spit 16's, la's or other late war dweeb rides that are on full time in the MA.I have always promoted the AvA but it is really hard too get folks to come in there and play.maybe change the name again,that always sparks intrest.........
Wouldn't be so bad, but a 1944 Spit XVI performs NO BETTER than a 1943 LF IXc, only difference is 50cals v .303s.
Yet this plane is SO unbalancing to the late war LW rides it has to be deliberatley excluded from setups it would historically be in.
I suppose if the VIII had been clipped it would be gone from the AvA also.
Maybe some need to look at Spit VIII v Spit XVI comparison -
http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=spit16&p2=spit8
Spit VIII - 1943
Spit XVI - 1944 aka Spit LF IXe
Spit LF IXc - 1943 (Spit XVI with .303s in place of 50cals)
Huge difference in performance...NOT. Only big difference is the XVI roll rate, but this would also apply to a clipped 1943 LF IXc or a clipped VIII.
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Or the Mk IX from the north Africa set up.
Repeat after me .
It was never there.....It was never there.
There that fixes it.
Ohh but it's ok to sub early fw190 with the A5.
:aok
Bronk
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Or the LF IXe (XVI) from the Italy setup (for which there is a HISTORICAL skin!!!, 40sqn SAAF)-
Repeat after me .
It was never there.....It was never there.
There that fixes it.
In all honesty, everyone should give the AvA a try, even if just once.
I did the first week it was relaunched, just didn't like it, was expecting more.
Just for the moment it seems to have fallen back into it's old CT mentality.
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Kevy's got a lot of books on airplanes.
Repeat after me .
Nobody cares.....Nobody cares.
Sorry couldn't resist
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:lol
Althoguh Kevy's got work soon :cry
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Some people just aren't happy unless there ******in about something:(
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Originally posted by Bear76
Some people just aren't happy unless there ******in about something:(
You just figured that out?
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mojo... after the first sentance I didn't I didn't understand your comment. Was it english of some kind?
The whole thread was simply a put down of other peoples styles and a attempt at being elitists.
The ma is bad and getting worse but... the ava isn't much of an alternative with much of the same problems and some that are unique to it.
like....
low numbers... stilted planesets with lack of variety that only an ava planeset can have...
one suad or group being able to dominate due to lack of numbers..
an inability of most of it's players to accept the fact that they are mostly just mediocre so far as skills go.
on the plus side... it does have a few players like oldman who are class acts and the lack of numbers allow them to stand out.
and... less land grab timid horders.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
The whole thread was simply a put down of other peoples styles and a attempt at being elitists.
Elitist arena?
i can't believe the negative feedback for an alternate arena where most everyone that loggs in has a great time.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Elitist arena?
i can't believe the negative feedback for an alternate arena where most everyone that loggs in has a great time.
sssssshhhhhh leave them in the MA.
sirloin is plain wrong and as far as correctness goes, lasz is 100% kev is 244.34% and bronk is so right he's going full circle to being wrong.
stay away from the AvA. it sucks. I never go there ask anyone.
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And does any of this really matter considering the news that Rocky Road ice cream replaced the walnuts with almonds (a much better choice in my opinion)?
Seriously, let's focus on what's important.
Also, AvA rules, MA drools!
Just trying to keep with the high school-esque bickering that ensues when someone enjoys something that someone else doesn't.
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I agree with Plank, the AvA is a cool arena, everytime I have been in there I have had a good time.
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storch... you are there most times I believe but you are never there as a single player... allways as a cog in the squad wheel.
I make fun of peoples styles of play all the time... that is why it is so easy to see it in this thread. I at least admit it tho.
The ava can be fun with as little as 20 people.... it is rare to see that many tho. the reason is because there is no real base capture and very few fluff girls. the fights therefore, tend to happen at one or two places and that is pretty much the closest fields.
All that is good and the guys seem ok but...you will allways find one or two that are crybabies or braggarts... one or two tho..... equals about 10-50% of the arena.... not so unlike the MA percent wise.
Skill levels are about the same. the fights tend to be much less complex tho do to the fact that.... there are only a couple of combinations that you may run into.
In my opinion it is a great arena for newbies.... simpler plane sets and people more willing to spend the time to help and less ways to pick up bad habits like fluffing and hording and suicide bombing.
Also... they would get to (be foreced to) fly a lot more different types of planes it they stayed with it a month or so even if the variety of the actual fights would be lacking..... in other words... they would only be able to fly one or two planes but it would rotate a lot but... they would never have to learn how to fight against more than one or two different types of planes at a time.
An ideal arena for newbies. I really do wish more would go there for a while at least.
I have allways been treated well there except for a couple of guys (10-50%) but then... that is about the same as the ma.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by SirLoin
9:Not having to squelch Doom on ch200
:D
If you were squelching the Doomster, no wonder you wasn`t having fun in the MA. :)
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Originally posted by lazs2
Also... they would get to (be foreced to) fly a lot more different types of planes it they stayed with it a month or so even if the variety of the actual fights would be lacking..... in other words... they would only be able to fly one or two planes but it would rotate a lot but... they would never have to learn how to fight against more than one or two different types of planes at a time.
This was and still is one of my main attractions to the arena. Being forced to learn different planes. If I were a betting man, I'd say the majority of the MA players don't even have their views set up in a P40 of either variant. Just a guess, I could be wrong. Not everyone needs this of course, not saying it's necessary or its good for everybody. I consider myself a constant newbie, a perpetual student. Ask anyone that flys against me, they'll tell you the same :p
I wouldn't say its a full on newbie arena, I seem to get more pelts in the MA when I'm there. Maybe that's just because of sheer numbers, not sure.
But I'll tell you one thing, Rocky Road ice cream is much better now.
Also, storch wears womens underwear :D
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well lazs last night in the AvA was a fair example of what happens when the MA cartoon heros arrive in the arena. most were in ponies at 15k plus, the minute they lose the advantage all a person sees is elbows and rumps pumping. the MA is the place for timid players to play, the AvA inspite of all it's limitations is where the fights are. these fights occur under 5k and they are always between the closest bases. the only times it's not like that is when the MA crowd shows up then the porking and fleeing begins. if you are going to play in the AvA try to play slightly differently try the MA unthinkable, to actually fight for once in your cartoon life. if not stay in the MA corral with the rest of the pixellated wusses. I'm not one of those that thinks more retards = a better arena. the best fights I've ever had have been between myself and one other player, just the two of us on. and as far as being a cog in a wheel, sometimes I am but most times all of JG54 flies alone. send me your address I'll send you a quarter so you can buy a clue.
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storch... I have no interest in the 15 k fights where the peee 51's tend to hang out and the luftwhiner squad guys practice teamwork and e retention to the point of boring a sane man to death.
I have had very good fights in the ava.. they were lacking in variety but made up for it in aggresiveness for the most part... in all tho.. some of the very best fights are in the Ma when a CV gets close or when the FT map is up... they beat the ava in both intensity and numbers and variety of opponenets plane types.
I can use the quarter tho.
When in the ava I am usualy the guy at the lowest alt tho.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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I like AvA :)
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Originally posted by lazs2
storch... I can use the quarter tho.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Heh, I got a chuckle outta that :D
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6:Not having to worry about a high 109 while fighting a P47
I thought Storch was flying in there.:D :rofl
Lazs just because ma is boredom for you doesn't me the others don't enjoy it.
Most nights and maps are boredom. Except Donut, Fester and Oz.
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oh look its mars!!!!! another BK tard that needs a magnifying glass, tweezers, map and both hands to find his joystick.
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oh look its mars!!!!! another BK tard that needs a magnifying glass, tweezers, map and both hands to find his joystick.
Awwww dont be like that Storchita, it's just the way you fly - Not that there is anything wrong with that. LOLHROTFPAOMS :rofl :rofl :rofl
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it's ok mamasita marsita-01. you have no clue as to how I play, stop by some time so I can wipe the arena with you. it's fun and easy to depixellate you.
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Ahhh you only wish :lol- every time I saw you, you were diving in from high while I was engaged. Every time it was you Vs me you were dead. When I get back from my competition I'll jump in and slay you. :aok
I have some good film of it too.
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Oh, come on. Limited planesets and "historical" maps / setups can't be exciting to everyone. There's always something to whine about, no matter the planeset/map (uh, Kev, I am not talking about you).
Glad you enjoyed your time there, SirLoin. :)
The others, give it a try.
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AvA is a blast on some nights ... and on others, it is boring or uneven
the same goes for MA
the diff being in ma with the right map you can usually hunt around and find a situation more to your liking .. ava is either great or it blows due to its limited numbers
with half a dozen decent sticks on both sides AvA, it is the best AH has to offer - unless you prefer gvs and base capture to a2a, then you best stay in ma
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Originally posted by Eagler
with half a dozen decent sticks on both sides AvA, it is the best AH has to offer - unless you prefer gvs and base capture to a2a, then you best stay in ma
Actually, the best fights I've had have been 1 vs 1 and most often in the AvA.. never mind the numbers. Thanks to the individuals who've been flying against me...
Thanks and to Eagler, TexMurph, Redd, Tankman2, Storch, Wasq, Oldman, Grunherz, 1Duke1, Arlo, Sasmox, Fork, Furball, "Lentolaivue 34", Airo, Charge, ... the list is too long to remember each individual, sorry to all of those whom I've forgotten (to the whole lot of them). :)
But I've had fun, and I hope I have learned something as well.
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Flew there last night. Flew both sides, got kills in both the -109 and the -51B. Got killed some in each too.
Flew the 109 up north at first, engaged below 10 for a bit. Then the fight got higher so I contacted Nuke on private to set up some quick fighting.
Nuke and I went south and engaged at 5k or less, no holds barred. Great fun...the type of stuff I fly AH to do. Went several rounds, swapping sides and planes.
Went back up North for a bit as a Knight to even out the sides. Fight was climbing ever higher. Storch left, complaining. I stuck around a while but got tired of being bounced by 109's and 190's that were going ever higher.
I like the AvA when there's a close opposing field set-up and people are there to fight. Otherwise... it's just the MA bore n' zoom with fewer numbers.
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Originally posted by storch
stay away from the AvA. it sucks. I never go there ask anyone.
If you never go there it can't be all bad.
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When I go in Allies vs. Axis
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Originally posted by DipStick
If you never go there it can't be all bad.
oh look it's dip**** my other favorite easy to kill bk tard. how's the suckage lately, don't tell me you're actually getting worse!!!!!
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11. When you're engaged in a 1 vs 1 dogfight, most friendlies that come by ask if you need help. They just don't barge in and steal your kill.
12. A setup that takes input from the community, then takes a balancing act that suits the needs of the limited aircraft available and posts setups. If they don't work right, or based on input from AvA players, we make changes.
13. ROLLING PLANE SETS. Historically based. New aircraft phased in, old phased out. Matched gameplay based on aircraft available for the time. Radar slowly getting more powerful each year.
14. Custom terrains based on the scenarios for the date.
15. 's when someone shoots you down. 95% of the time.
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Now that everyone is maybe done arguing , Is there any way we could use the AvA maps in the MA?:);) :aok
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Breath normally Storch. The vein in your neck is starting to show.
It's all good, but the vein could become a problem. That would depend on the elasticity left in that thing.
Be nice to your veins.
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I like the AvA......can you all fly more at 4:00 am in the morning so I can come to
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Originally posted by Redd
I like the AvA......can you all fly more at 4:00 am in the morning so I can come to
Who the hell is up that late?:D
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To sumarize.... It is a good thing the ava is there...
It would be better if it were a rolling plane set that didn't have the boring variety limitations of allied vs axis.
It can be fun when there are a decent number of people on and the planes are fairly early war.
The players are no better or worse by percentage than the MA but smaller groups allways tend to be more polite in any human interaction.
They are kinda full of themselves tho (as evidenced by this thread).
one or two luftwhiner squads tend to gangbang and fly pretty timidly.
It is a good alternative when the MA is really getting you down but a bad night in the MA followed by logging on and getting the worst the ava has to offer (late war with a luftwhiner squad if full high alt B&Z mode) can really ruin your night and make you want to give it all up for something fun.
No base capture and people tend to go where the fight is.
Some crybabies and arrogant types are in there.... not many but... the same percentage as in the MA,,, bout 10-50%
lots of reasons no one goes there. Numbers are the main one but ava is another huge one.
anoyone thinking of trying it should. the people in there are not near as arrogant and full of themselves as it appears in the ava threads. for the most part you will be welcomed and treated well.
It is both good and bad for completely the oppossite reasons that most of the guys there claim are the reasons.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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That storch dweeb really crax me up.
laz your right on the Money.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
That storch dweeb really crax me up.
laz your right on the Money.
go ahead and put the glass pipe down son. if you keep that up you'll end up a bk. now, do you mean that storch dweeb that hands you your head each and every time you show it in the arena? is that why we don't see much of you any more? come on back. I'll close my eyes when I fight you so you'll have a chance.
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I like both arenas...each for something different. Thing I dont like so much about the MA is how so many use the plane. Rather than even fights you often see guys grabbing the fastest, biggest guns types. The scores show it..whats flown the most. Its probably not so bad if you yourself fly one of those planes, but its magnified if you dont. That and eveyone just seems to be getting meaner.
I dont like to lose but I except the fact that many are better than me. I think that may be a part of the problem.
Billy: AwwwCrap!!!
Dave: Good fight
Billy: Cheater!
Dave:I didnt cheat, I just flew better.
Billy:You're not better than me. Mrs. Swanson my teacher said we are all winners..........loser!
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Originally posted by BMnot
Now that everyone is maybe done arguing , Is there any way we could use the AvA maps in the MA?:);) :aok
From what this non-expert has seen they are tailored to a 2 sided war with one country down in a corner being Swiss.
Of course bases and stuff could be reassigned but I'm not sure that would be as good as a map designed to have three sides.
Especially when strat stuff is considered. I think the map is ONLY setup strat wise for two sides and that would be the nail in the coffin to kill the idea.
PS- I really don't think they are done yet.
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ok. thanks fuzeman.:cool:
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you mean that storch dweeb that hands you your head each and every time you show it in the arena? is that why we don't see much of you any more? come on back. I'll close my eyes when I fight you so you'll have a chance.
lol and you tell me about the glass stem.
B
you need too get your mind right for real.You HO everyone you fight or you runaway like the rest of them.it is rather amuzing though how you get quiet after your butt is shoved down yer frote.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
it is rather amuzing though how you get quiet after your butt is shoved down yer frote.
Damn Storch I never heard of a frote................. Much less something getting shoved down one. Pictures please!!;)
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
lol and you tell me about the glass stem.
B
you need too get your mind right for real.You HO everyone you fight or you runaway like the rest of them.it is rather amuzing though how you get quiet after your butt is shoved down yer frote.
anyone who plays the arena with any regularity knows how I play. I find your posts amusing especially coming from a player who dies while flying alone more often than not. I've had a rough day here so I thank you for the comic relief and the heart lightening belly laugh. any time you and three of your squaddies want to put me to the test just ask, you alone are no fun to fight.
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Originally posted by Shifty
Damn Storch I never heard of a frote................. Much less something getting shoved down one. Pictures please!!;)
it must be
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I just asked sondog which enjoys more the MA or the AVA. He told me the AVA, but could not articulate as to why. After some probing questions he concluded that he likes the AVA more because he does better in there then in the MA. That surprised me, but it could be because his lack of SA is more of a handy cap in the MA than the AVA due to the large numbers and always having to watch your back. I do know that when he flys in the MA he does not have any stories unless he is with some squadies. If he is in the AVA he often calls me to tell me about something that happened, not so much in the MA. Also I think he gets more positive feed back from the crowd in the AVA than in the MA. Then again I don’t let him tune to 200 in the MA, just the AVA. He knows so many of the regulars in the AVA which is another reason he might be more comfortable in there.
LOL Shifty your post is a perfect example about what I commented on. He ran upstairs to tell me that you were on him and he flew through some smoke and fire and just missed a tower, but you crashed into it.
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Originally posted by daddog
I just asked sondog which enjoys more the MA or the AVA. He told me the AVA, but could not articulate as to why. After some probing questions he concluded that he likes the AVA more because he does better in there then in the MA. That surprised me, but it could be because his lack of SA is more of a handy cap in the MA than the AVA due to the large numbers and always having to watch your back. I do know that when he flys in the MA he does not have any stories unless he is with some squadies. If he is in the AVA he often calls me to tell me about something that happened, not so much in the MA. Also I think he gets more positive feed back from the crowd in the AVA than in the MA. Then again I don’t let him tune to 200 in the MA, just the AVA. He knows so many of the regulars in the AVA which is another reason he might be more comfortable in there.
LOL Shifty your post is a perfect example about what I commented on. He ran upstairs to tell me that you were on him and he flew through some smoke and fire and just missed a tower, but you crashed into it.
That's a great point that often gets overlooked by the AvA/MA regulars. There is much to learn when given a limited planeset, in fact, I love that aspect of it. But your SA can't be improved better than it is in the MA due to sheer numbers. Part of my game improves in the AvA and part of it improves in the MA and yet another part of it improves in scenarios and the like (which I haven't had the time to be involved with over the past 6 months).
The only posts that reach a nerve for me is when people knock one arena or the other just because they feel 'their' arena is the best arena and the 'other one' is somehow inferior. I love watching people tell others that their opinion is wrong.
"I don't like onions."
"Shut up, onions are awesome, you are stupid for not liking onions. In fact, you like onions but you just don't know it yet."
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sondog is becoming a great player. he's always a plus when he's on your side and a good adversary when in red.
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Originally posted by daddog
LOL Shifty your post is a perfect example about what I commented on. He ran upstairs to tell me that you were on him and he flew through some smoke and fire and just missed a tower, but you crashed into it.
Well let him know I'm sporting a full blown case of Sondog-phobia now.:aok
He may of picked up two kills on that move . I think Reddg died laughing when I crashed.;)
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a player who dies while flying alone more often than not.
That is because i will fly " ALONE " at 4 enemy players and fight them all wether i die or not it's a GAME.
any time you and three of your squaddies want to put me to the test just ask, you alone are no fun to fight.
You mean my Schwarm? And i have fought you,waste of my time of your skill level is lower than what i usually fight against, plus as i said before you either HO, Run away.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
That is because i will fly " ALONE "
yes and die while attempting to "take off". as I previously stated, put the pipe down boy it's affecting your health.
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yes and die while attempting to "take off"
You really are that stupid too think i would up from a base that is being vulched.
B you are way too full of yourself for a cartoon Plane GAME.Right now as it stands it's Todd420- 2 and Storch-0 so get some new tactix storchy.Why do i have the feeling i am not the only one too tell you that?
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autopilot, that's a good handle for you it applies perfectly to how you play. you die while taking off because you suck not because anyone is around you. you are impossible to vultch as you self destruct in most cases, to everyone's amusement. you are incapable of a decent takeoff let alone a fight. furthermore you are denser mercury. there are boxes full of rocks demonstrating considearbly more intelligence than you. you should consider taking up basketweaving you may be a little more successful at that.
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I don't know about the rest fo you, but...........I'm feeling a lot of love in this thread.
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Originally posted by 5554
When I go in Allies vs. Axis
..you're unable to complete a sentence?
:D
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I wonder about the whole 'no uber rides in the AvA'.
I think the most fun I've had so far is last Wednesday in the Snapshot, where I had to drive a Spit I against some 110Cs.
The Spit 1 forced me to fly much differently than other spits due to its quirkiness. It made me think more about my positioning and E and maneuvers.
Personally I think that's a good thing...
The MA seems to be mostly about vulching and gang-banging lone pilots anymore with the better rides... I'd much rather be challenged with a more realistic arena than the MA.
Problem is that there's never anyone in the AvA.
:(
I guess it depends on what you are trying to get out of the game, if you just want to hover around and vulch fields, the MA is the place for you!
:cry
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Seems that Auto has swallowed a hook. This is good. Please continue.
Post a thread in the general about the AvA, take note of the non-participants that down it, then you’ll know who tried it and couldn’t hang. BK’s came in once, they just capped, vulched, and ganged - afraid of any remotely congruous competition – much to their chagrin the regulars kept upping unimpressed and unaffected by the dweebery.
Wwwwhhhhhhiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrr…………ker-splash……….click…click… click…………
Seriously though, everybody is welcome, you’ll find the regulars prioritize the fight over the kill and could care less about real estate. The channel 200 exchanges are, in general, just smack talking for fun, but have left some of the more ‘sensitive’ types with a grudge.
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To all participants of the AvA.
I wish to clarify I have only one difference of oppinion that is all.
The AvA is deffinately fun, most of the time.
OT
Ya know storch just when people think they have your disposition down... you go and smackdown one of the the biggest numpties in the game. IMHO
For that big <>.
Bronk
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so far as I know the BK's never went there as a squad. I have been there many times and my observations are as noted. I guess if you are one of the 6 or 8 guys in the luftwhiner squad then it must feel like being swarmed and vultched when 2 or 3 BK's are in your sandbox... I can see how you would be overwhelmed and feel picked on.
It is too much like a playground for luftwhiners who can't cut it in the ma and have to be at least 50% or more of the players on one side and... have to have very little competition.
When the luftwhiner squad isn't on the ava is a lot better. they pretty much suck anyway tho.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
so far as I know the BK's never went there as a squad. I have been there many times and my observations are as noted. I guess if you are one of the 6 or 8 guys in the luftwhiner squad then it must feel like being swarmed and vultched when 2 or 3 BK's are in your sandbox... I can see how you would be overwhelmed and feel picked on.
It is too much like a playground for luftwhiners who can't cut it in the ma and have to be at least 50% or more of the players on one side and... have to have very little competition.
When the luftwhiner squad isn't on the ava is a lot better. they pretty much suck anyway tho.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Don't hold back, lazs, tell us what you REALLY think :aok
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Originally posted by lazs2
so far as I know the BK's never went there as a squad.
I'm pretty sure it was in the setup - perhaps a year ago? - that pitted the Spits against the Ki84s. Possibly it wasn't the entire squad, but certainly many of them were there, and Lev has occasionally said something along the lines of "veni vidi vici" (in the plural, which I can't do).
Actually, I enjoyed that setup. I thought the banter was fun and the gunnery impressive. Wish they'd come back again.
- oldman
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it seems that the public relations officer for the bks is treated in much the same way mushrooms are grown. for that epiphany I am truly sorry.
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Originally posted by scottydawg
Problem is that there's never anyone in the AvA.
Oh but that's not true, I've had fun fights in there, with the few brave individuals that have been there. As I said before, 1vs1's have been a lot of fun...
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You know for the longest time i have introduced the CT or AvA too just about everybody i have ran into playing this game.Some have stuck around other come in every now and then for you always hear of the regulars crying because there is no one in there.When in actuality it's the so called " Regulars " that have ran everybody off.
So i will no longer support the AvA or turn anyone on too it,this is what you get for promoting the arena too others then you can have it.Now most of you will think " yea like he made a difference anyway" but yes you will see the silence will get even more louder.
So you keep on keepin on givin each other reach arounds and pattin your backs, storch i will be lookin forward too your PM's after i waste your arse again in the MA, the score still stands:
Todd420-2 kills on stench
Stench-0 kills
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Originally posted by Oldman731
I'm pretty sure it was in the setup - perhaps a year ago? - that pitted the Spits against the Ki84s. Possibly it wasn't the entire squad, but certainly many of them were there, and Lev has occasionally said something along the lines of "veni vidi vici" (in the plural, which I can't do).
Actually, I enjoyed that setup. I thought the banter was fun and the gunnery impressive. Wish they'd come back again.
- oldman
They were there for that one and a Finn/Russ set up. I enjoyed it.
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well... maybe as many as four or five BK's at once... For sure it wasn't planned in any way. certainly less than the goosesteppers have in there on a regular basis.
I guess I can understand the trauma that taking over the worshipper of kurt tanks sandbox must have had tho.
There might have been a little chuckling on the BK squad BB but It was no big deal.
The mystery that has plauged flight sims since the very beggining remains...
Does flying the german planes make you an arrogant whiner or.... is it just aht arrogant whiners are attracted to the german planes? Is it ignorance or mascochism that makes em post on BB's?
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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I would suppose that the sounds you heard (figurative speaking of course) on the bk bjbbs would be the sound of clucking as opposed to chuckling. hens make those sounds after they lay eggs.
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Originally posted by Slash27
They were there for that one and a Finn/Russ set up. I enjoyed it.
Yeah, I’m with you, enjoyed it too. There’s an attitude some just can’t comprehend.
Good stick beats you most of the time – fun to have around, good to learn from.
Really good sticks working together blowing you to pieces repeatedly – What a hoot, watch how they work it, cool.
Bunch of good sticks maintaining advantage, double/triple teaming, talking all kinds of smack – nirvana, no boredom tonight.
Also,
I feel really sorry for the folks who get their feelings hurt. I really do. On the other hand I have problems understanding what the big deal is. Only thing anyone can do is shoot down your pixels or type smack. If you can’t handle that, how emotionally equipped are you to handle reality. Could look at it as helping someone develop a thicker skin and better prepare them for success in life. ;)
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Originally posted by KONG1
I feel really sorry for the folks who get their feelings hurt. I really do. On the other hand I have problems understanding what the big deal is. Only thing anyone can do is shoot down your pixels or type smack. If you can’t handle that, how emotionally equipped are you to handle reality. Could look at it as helping someone develop a thicker skin and better prepare them for success in life. ;)
Truer words have never been spoken... at least on this forum.
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Post a thread in the general about the AvA, take note of the non-participants that down it, then you’ll know who tried it and couldn’t hang. BK’s came in once, they just capped, vulched, and ganged - afraid of any remotely congruous competition – much to their chagrin the regulars kept upping unimpressed and unaffected by the dweebery.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
OK I had to leave for a competition when this thread started so I am catching up LOL.
Cmon Kong - most of your squad fought it out decently down and dirty on the deck with us. I did find it funny tho how one of your guys, we all know who, stayed as high as he could and only came down to cherry while you guys were doing all the fighting. Even with cherryboy it was fun. :aok He didn't last that long anyway. And if you felt like you were being vulched that was because you guys couldn't push the fight to our base.
AvA 6 out a 10 times it's a lot of fun. Lazs summed it up pretty well.
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lol mars-01 is still smarting from his azzwhooping all those months ago? the part I enjoyed most were your whines on 200. staying high? that is a squad trademark with you frilly blue gnus. you're all high. the question is where do you miscreants come up with so much money for narcotics? it cetainly can't come from pimping lesspheus, or could it? I forgot about those pelts, thanks for bringing it up.
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Well at least even he knows who he is hahahaha.
Yes storch your right you are Teh l33t3st picker in the cherry farm. :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by mars01
Well at least even he knows who he is hahahaha.
Yes storch your right you are Teh l33t3st picker in the cherry farm. :rofl :rofl
well I know what you whined about many times. besides if you guys are so great then how is it that a scrub like me whipped so many of you? oh and thank you I had tons of fun killing you guys but more reading your whines. please come again. I thoroughly enjoyed the fights up until the point you guys started capping fields. I know you guys are used to preying upon the very new in the MA and perhaps didn't expect that many whippings but look at it this way it will help you improve your skills.
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Originally posted by mars01
... you guys couldn't push the fight to our base.
Thank you mars. That statement says more than I ever could. It’s not about ‘pushing’ the other team back to their base to establish cap and prevent the other team from upping. Sometimes when new players come in they do that and it’s not unusual to see a regular on country implore them to ‘back off’ and ‘let ‘em up’.
You know aluminum is a fine conductor. The paranoid dons the aluminum foil hat to ward off mind control waves. May I suggest another use. All you guys fashion little pointy foil hats. Wire all your hats together. Have everybody concentrate REALLY hard. Maybe together enough intellectual energy will be generated for you to actually ‘get it’.
:D
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Thank you mars. That statement says more than I ever could. It’s not about ‘pushing’ the other team back to their base to establish cap and prevent the other team from upping.
Well Kong I actually thought your squad was better than storch and the guys we fought were as well. If you really think we capped your base then you are just as misguided as Storch. We did not cap your base. I remember waiting half a sector from your base waiting for you guys to come back, only to find most of you upping from another base to grab alt.
My point was that we always seemed to be flying to your field. You guys never once pushed to our field. I guess the Storchita has infected all you guys. It's a shame some of you actually put up some good fights.
Nice try on the twisting of the conversation tho:aok
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well I know what you whined about many times. besides if you guys are so great then how is it that a scrub like me whipped so many of you? oh and thank you I had tons of fun killing you guys but more reading your whines. please come again. I thoroughly enjoyed the fights up until the point you guys started capping fields. I know you guys are used to preying upon the very new in the MA and perhaps didn't expect that many whippings but look at it this way it will help you improve your skills.
Storch you couldn't whip and egg. As I have said, all you ever did was cherry one of us as we fought your squaddies on the deck. If that is what you consider great. Then yes you are the greatest.
BTW - None of us think we are "so great".
Here is an idea, how about you put your money where your mouth is me and you a little DA time???
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Originally posted by mars01
I remember waiting half a sector from your base waiting for you guys to come back...we always seemed to be flying to your field.
Which is it? Try the hat thing it just might help.
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Originally posted by mars01
Storch you couldn't whip and egg. As I have said, all you ever did was cherry one of us as we fought your squaddies on the deck. If that is what you consider great. Then yes you are the greatest.
BTW - None of us think we are "so great".
Here is an idea, how about you put your money where your mouth is me and you a little DA time???
well then at least we have determined that you are no egg since I certainly whipped the crap out of you.
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Storch - Yeah I figured your all talk, when you grow a pair lets go to the DA if you whiped me so bad. LOL
KONG it's too bad you are comming off a total sweetheart here, I actually thought you were OK up to this point. I guess your just another guy that thinks he is better than he is and can't face the truth when it comes to the fights. I know I suck. And I do know you guys controlled very little of that battle that night. Instead of accepting it like a man, you come in here and portray it as if we did something like cap a field in the AVA. Which most know is totally preposterouse since we don't even do that in the MA.
Nice try tho really, for someone of your abilities.:aok :rofl
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Originally posted by mars01
KONG it's too bad you are comming off a total sweetheart here, I actually thought you were OK up to this point. I guess your just another guy that thinks he is better than he is and can't face the truth when it comes to the fights. I know I suck. And I do know you guys controlled very little of that battle that night. Instead of accepting it like a man, you come in here and portray it as if we did something like cap a field in the AVA. Which most know is totally preposterouse since we don't even do that in the MA.
Nice try tho really, for someone of your abilities.:aok :rofl
Someone get your goat? :D
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hehehe
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hey mars I'd be glad to meet with you in the DA any time. perhaps you would also like to stop by the AvA and demonstrate your elite skills in a more game pertinent environment. just saying. :aok
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Cool will do!
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I'd just like to make a comment refering to people mentioning others need to ge thicker skin.
I have to dissagree with you. Personally I don't fly to spare verbally with folks. I don't think it adds anything to the game. I think it's also a big reason many people stay away from the AVA. We can complain about plane sets or axis/allied bias all day. However this arena has a small number of people in it day after day . When just a couple of those people act like thugs constantly , it's worse than the smack in MA. Because of the fewer numbers.
I don't have to squelch 200 in MA , I have to do it almost everytime I fly in AVA which has now become rare for me mainly because I got tired of the attitude.
Okay call me thin skinned. Say I need to adapt. I'd argue that some of the smack talkers need to adapt. I don't find the smack talk scarey , or insulting. I find it ignorant. it's like flying with children. Your hundreds of miles away from the person your insulting, theres no way in hell you have to meet him face to face and back up your actions................. What is so damn cool about that? The constant smack talk is childish, and annoying.
I don't find anything cool or intimidating about it.
If you want intimidation I got one word for you. Eagler. He's never talking crap , he just flys , wins , and acts like a man. Thats more intimidating then all the smack talk in the world. Plus you can respect him.
I know sooner or later almost everyone has a bad night and gets into a heated exchange. Thats natural, things like that happen. To come on every night with the intention of seeing how many you can insult , just because it amuses you..... Thats a problem.
Thank you now back to your head bashing.
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I never said people should get a thicker skin. I said a thicker skin will lead to greater success in life. The former is telling people what to do, the latter is just an observation and I’ll stand behind it. Do you disagree?
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I agree that letting things bounce off you rather than letting them upset you will certainly make life easier. But the people who , in real life, constantly try to belittle other people around them generally are not successful in life.
I think the AvA is no better than the MA, same smack talk, vulching, cherry picking and ho'ing. The hardest thing for most players that go in there is the lack of participants. I have thick skin but every time I have gone in there all I could think was that I could get that in the MA where there are actually more than 5 people.
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Originally posted by KONG1
I never said people should get a thicker skin. I said a thicker skin will lead to greater success in life. Do you disagree?
No I don't disagree, but I'm not talking about my life. I'm talking about my leisure time, which I spend to get a break from real life.:)
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I contend your leisure time is part of your life and if stuff doesn’t bug you. you’ll enjoy it more.
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Yes my leisure time is part of my life. Since the antics of a few tend to ruin said leisure time in the AVA...... I have moved to the MA where the whines, and insults are drowned out in the mass of text traffic. You guys have fun doing your thing, and I'll go have fun doing mine.
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Originally posted by Shifty
Yes my leisure time is part of my life. Since the antics of a few tend to ruin said leisure time in the AVA...... I have moved to the MA where the whines, and insults are drowned out in the mass of text traffic. You guys have fun doing your thing, and I'll go have fun doing mine.
Sadly, I came to the same conclusion about a year ago and moved to the MA. There was a time that if HT would have closed the AvA I would have canceled my account, I flew there exclusively. Now its just not worth the trouble.
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Great time in AvA tonight, interesting match up, players switching to even sides, no drama on 200. The majority of the time that's how it is. It takes two to escalate the rhetoric. Maybe the problems you guys had with the AvA wasn't just "everybody else’s" fault.
Peace, K
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Originally posted by KONG1
Great time in AvA tonight, interesting match up, players switching to even sides, no drama on 200. The majority of the time that's how it is. It takes two to escalate the rhetoric. Maybe the problems you guys had with the AvA wasn't just "everybody else’s" fault.
Peace, K
Nice try. I had very few problems flying in the AVA. The things I've been talking about were usually being aimed at somebody else , not me. You don't have to be involved in it to see it's stupid.
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Well said Shifty and an accurate assessment.:aok
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I have to agree with shifty to a a degree. I leave the smack talk for the BBS and the arenas for the flyin. Unless attacked.
Guys that start getting stoopid on 200 are just that. Take your beating like a man and shut it LOL. Now if a guy is runnin and a little smack will get him to fight that is a degree I guess.
Some people go too far and I can see how that takes the fun out of it for some, especially when the numbers are low.
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I agree about it all being “stupid”. I’ll admit that “stupid” communications occur in the AvA. I’m posting to dispel a myth propagated by a few begrudged players who continuously and vehemently denigrate the arena in every thread that tries to promote it.
If “stupid” communications bug you, the amount in the AvA is a fraction of that which occurs in the MA. Fact is there are entire nights even weeks where no channel 200 purse fights occur. That’s right folks, all this moaning and gnashing of teeth is all about what is in reality a rare thing. Face it the dweebfest is in the MA.
I also agree that it’s different when there are only a few players. However it is you choose to fly, you best not be ashamed of it or defensive about it because everybody knows who you are and what you’re doing. There’s no place to hide. Most of the time we know whom we’re fighting by how they’re flying. For example, if you always hang back till everyone’s engaged and pick -everyone will know, if you HO every pass - everyone will know, if you’re not proud of it don’t do it, at some point you will be called on it.
Shifty, bring your crew back some time. I know you got teased for your ‘historically accurate’ flying, but everybody was actually glad to have you guys there. And please feel free to squelch anybody you feel is particularly abrasive (wink wink).
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Originally posted by KONG1
Shifty, bring your crew back some time. I know you got teased for your ‘historically accurate’ flying, but everybody was actually glad to have you guys there. And please feel free to squelch anybody you feel is particularly abrasive (wink wink).
Agreed.
- oldman
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Kong.
I appluad your efforts on promoting the AVA. I agree with you that there are some who have nothing good to say about it, and they should be countered.
As for me I wasn't run out. I didn't get tired of things said to me , or really anybody in particular. Purse fights as you call them. (and thats the best description I've heard yet):rofl Were becoming the norm for a while. Even if not directed at me , I thought they ruined the whole experiance ,,, for me. The worst are the guys who get killed then get on and insult the guy that killed them. I think a 2 minute squelch on dead guys would work wonders for any arena.
All that aside........................ .................. AVA is different. A different crowd with a different attitude flies there now. Then say back in 2001/2002.
The arena now usually promotes small or individual fights. You guys are always talking about great fights that go on between two pilots that last half the night. Theres not a thing wrong with that. Thats what you guys are looking for and you have a place to make it happen.
:aok
I couldn't find what I was looking for in AVA any longer since the squad operations have been downplayed in favor of the fight between two air fields. Now this may not be the case but my opinon has been the AVA is the place where people are looking for the perfect dogfight.I'm not knocking the AVA it fills the needs of the guys that fly there. It's also the home of some of the best sticks in the game. It's got a lot of great guys on the staff who work very hard trying to please as many people as possible. You may get more people to stick around if some of the more colorful personalities will throttle back just a bit. Plus you may just change the minds of some of the AVA detractors. Fighting it out on a BBS only has so much effect, plus as we've learned since last night.... May not be in the combatants best interest.
Once I hooked up with 880 Squadron and started flying Special Events , I knew I found a home. The dedicated mission, single life per night thing really appeals to me, and is what I'm looking for in a sim.
I enjoy the squad Monday night ops in MA too. It's fun to just let your hair down and fly , fight, and laugh your butt off. I'll still be in AVA when I need a quick furball fix, I just don't fly there exclusivley anymore.
Best of luck to you guys.
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Well... the new MA map is horrible... one of the worst I have seen... amazing how the map guys can figure out a way for 500 people to all hide from each other.
Sooo.... went to the ava.
It had La las and yaks against ki 84'a and niks and 61's.... It had two close fields and it had about 20 people on.
It had action... there were constant fights with a lot of planes but... In only an hour... you knew exactly what you could expect from the enemy..
The allied vs axis thing... the jap planes all did the exact same thing and we all did the exact same thing. You knew exactly how it would turn out because of the abilities of the limited planes you were facing or were available to you.
In my opinion.... it was fun but.... It would have been ten times as much fun if it was not allied vs axis... if you could have chose any plane from the planes available... if ki84's could wing with yaks or lala's and face other ki61, lala, yak, nik combos.... infintely more variety and complexity.
It was fun because it limited the planeset to some sort of close to equality and it was fun because it was close fields with field capture not considered...
It was ruined in my opinion by the whole allied Vs axis thing.
It allways seems that one side in their knows they are in the inferior planes but they just suck it up and do the best they can.
That's fine but it would be better if neither side had to .
Just saying..
Oh... and storch was on and flying allied with no squaddies and we got along fine.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Lets be realistic. The ava will never see substantial numbers. Why?
Because 99% or better find it boring and lifeless. AH has basically always had an AVA of sorts, and it is very low populated. Why? Because the vast majority isn't interested in Scenario type game play. This is the very reason that i fear the up and coming HTC Game Combat Tour (I think that is what we are calling it these days?) isn't going to do as well as needed to compensate for the work going into it. Although the 50 or so players playing the new game wont really feel lonely because the 200 AI drones will keep them company. Kinda like that blow up party doll i seen in the corner of batfinks living room. :D
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Originally posted by lazs2
Well... the new MA map is horrible... one of the worst I have seen... amazing how the map guys can figure out a way for 500 people to all hide from each other.
Hide? your full of stuff. LOL There was always plenty of furballs in the the new map. lotsa fun fites down and dirty.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I have had times in the ava that were fun and times that were worse than the ma...
the historical planesets mostly sucks with very little variety and... the place can be nothing but a few squads gangbanging .... it also does have it's share of timid players the players are not anything special either...but...
The ma has gotten so bad lately that... Oh well... I think the only way most people in the ma want to fight is if they can get planes landing or taking off or.... in that first visor down jousting head on charge.
The ma has proven that teamwork and organization lead to boredom.
The ma has proven that if you have a game with a really low price per month you get a whole bunch of guys that you would be better off not having to play.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
All are very good reasons that Ah2 needs a Fighter town of sorts. Think of it as an AVA with a full fighter planeset. No base capture possible...and no vulching possible. just massive fun fights
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AvA had btwn 20 and 25 ppl in it last night
AH has never been better
thanks to all those that showed up
thx Slash for posting the fight in the ava forum - hope it happens again soon
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Originally posted by lazs2
It allways seems that one side in their knows they are in the inferior planes but they just suck it up and do the best they can.
Exactly, couldn’t of said it better myself. Makes you a better player. Cool thing is if you get tired of being disadvantaged you can switch any time. You can work together to overcome disadvantages. You can up the better plane and engage multiple planes or attack at a disadvantage. Last night was pretty much a big furball, was great fun, other times the game play is quite dynamic.
Don’t think I’ve ever seen the LA7 in the AvA. What a beast. You can get really aggressive, down and dirty, with that thing. Be fun to go in the MA, up a 7, play the dweeb to lure some spitniks away from the crowd then turn all Cujo on ’em.
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kong... I guess that is where we differ... I don't play AH to become a better player.... I become a better player because I enjoy playing... It is a subtle difference I know but to me.... an important one.
I first of all want to have a fun and fair fight... If I die... fine.. It is my fault and I will just keep plugging away at it.
I think that a lot are like me... we don't want to start out with a big disadvange or.... equaly... we don't enjoy a big advantage.. this would seem to no be true tho based on the MA style of play but... when there is a close fight you see fair fights and fun ones.
mugs... I have no idea what you are talking about. I seen no furballs last night in the ma... I seen one horde of one side or the other doing endless circles above a field in the hope that someone would take off and give them that all important skilless and risk free kill in their late war B&Z metrosexual plane.
In the MA probly 90% of all kills are on planes just taking off or just landing or by a plane being chased down by more than 4 to 1 odds or... the visor down, HO joust. A real furball happens only at the very few close fields or when a CV is involved. The ava is way different... most fights involve getting on a planes six who is aware you are there and either killing or being killed... rarely do people HO or shoot runway ducks.
There were at least 10 fights I had in an hour or so that rivaled an entire MA tours worth of the best fights.
When people tell me that the MA is chock full-0-furballs all the time I have to wonder if they even know what a furball is.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's