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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Bluefish on July 14, 2006, 07:21:56 PM
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Just saw the news report about the Israeli missile boat that was apparently hit by an explosive-carrying "drone" launched by Hezbollah.
My recollection of earlier stories is that the drones previously flown over Israel by Hezbollah were remotely piloted ultralights which were evidently invisibile to radar.
Assuming this is true, what are the best methods of detection and destruction?
My own best guess would be thermal sights (they've probably got enough of a heat differential vs. the background sky to be visible, even if they've got the engine off) and a manually aimed .30 cal. minigun.
Maybe the USN better be thinking of something along these lines if we ever have to mix it up with Hezbollah's Iranian paymasters in the Persian Gulf.
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the next world war is very clearly taking shape. I just hope we dont wait until the islamers have a stockpile of nuclear tipped ICBMs. Those folks need to get thrown off the ship before they sink the damned thing with all of us on board.
I wish Israel would just destroy the whole lot of them.
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How could an ultra-light not be visible to radar?
U.S. ships have such good radar that Phalanx missle systems were shooting down seagulls.
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Good point, Shrimp; I've also heard about ol' R2 shooting up porpoises. However, I don't know if the Israeli boats have a CIWS on board. Apparently the earlier ultralight flights were over land.
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WWIII opening salvo happened sept 11 , 2001. The US has positioned itself very nicely to deal with the main event that is coming soon. The only question is will china sit on the sidelines while we castrate iran and N korea. I am pretty confident they will, as they have tasted a bit of US capitalism through trade.
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The news I saw this evening said there is no confirmation it was a drone. It could have been a rocket or artillery.
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Originally posted by Maverick
The news I saw this evening said there is no confirmation it was a drone. It could have been a rocket or artillery.
News I saw called it a drone, but no details on what type. First thing I thought of was the remote control Cessna type that Iraq had pre-OIF. I could see a warship hesitant on firing on a slow small civilian craft.
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Originally posted by Bluefish
Good point, Shrimp; I've also heard about ol' R2 shooting up porpoises. However, I don't know if the Israeli boats have a CIWS on board. Apparently the earlier ultralight flights were over land.
Some of them do. I know the corvettes and missile craft do, but im not sure about the smaller vessels. Until we find out what class of ship was hit I cant tell you for sure.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
How could an ultra-light not be visible to radar?
U.S. ships have such good radar that Phalanx missle systems were shooting down seagulls.
Sounds like hype.
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Dunno about current weapons systems, but I witnessed this incident.
During REFTRA in 1979, I was on the crew (projectile loader) of a Mk51 5" gun on our cutter. We were using radar guidance to fire on a jet dragging a drone chute. We actually hit the tow cable and parted it. The Mk51 gun director radar continued to track the chute and we fired all the way to the sea.
Granted, a target chute and a bird are 2 different things. But, if junky old Vietnam era equiptment can accurately track small targets, I don't see why state of the art weapons can't do the same.
And BTW, Phalanx is not a missile system. It's a 20MM gatlin thats more deadly and accurate than the old Mk51 system. As a matter of fact the Phalanx replaced the Mk51 as the main gun on my old ship.
(http://tri.army.mil/LC/CS/csa/phalanx.jpg)
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Good info. I meant to type "anti-missle" system.
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First news I saw was the dude from Hezbolland saying: "You think you Israelis are so funny? Check this out - we are gonna **** up one of your boats. How's about them apples? Hows that for funny?"
Immediately following his announcement was a report that an Israeli ship got manhandled by some bottle rocket.
Following that was a report that said "well actually, no.... the bottle rocket skipped off the deck and blew the snot out of an Egyptian boat well over yonder."
Who knows what to believe with these guys? Some of it has gotta be right..... right?
I aint used to this crap. I long for the olden days when I knew that everything they said was bull.
Ya gotta admit, though.... this is the perfect follow-up to the World Cup. All ya need here is the refs running all over the place waving red cards around.
"Illegal bottle rocket - You're OUTTA HERE!"
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Well, the latest news is that it was an Iranian C802 missile that hit a SAAR class missile boat. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3275923,00.html
Based on what I could find, the C802 is a shore to ship variation of a Chinese missile based originally on the Exocet http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/c-801.htm
Interestingly, apparently all SAAR class boats carry the Phalanx, http://www.answers.com/topic/saar-4-class-missile-boat.
From what I've heard (and seen in Dangerous Waters) you have to be pretty careful when you activate the Phalanx because of the danger of engaging friendlies. I wonder if they even had it turned on?
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I'd bet they have it on now........
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Tell me if I have this right... they can hit an Israeli ship offshore with a rocket and yet they send inDUHviduals into Israeli market places strapped with explosives to kill?
What's wrong with this picture? Guess the rocket doesn't get the 70 Virgins?
Just to take one step back.. you guys tell me. Could you live with 70 Virgins in the Kitchen? Imagine the screaming and crap... you'd never have the hot wings ready for the game.... Imagine trying to sleep at night..atleast 69 Virgins are gonna voice their opinions and hell if I could finish anything over all that stuff..
"Mac you didn't say you loved me" "Mac am I prettier" "Mac they don't love you like I do..." "Mac...Mac.... Mac"
To me wasting my life to be with 70 Virgins would be Hell!!!
Thank Gawd for LukeFish...Nilsen you must be the Messiah!!!!
* he has a Beard as no one else has...
* he has preached....
* he has brought lukefish to mine eyes...
* late at nite he speaks in tongues...*ask his wifey*
Nilsen Haar!!!!
:aok
Mac
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Maybe you get to specify optional equipment on the virgins (like whether they're deaf-mutes with flat heads and large ears).
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More on what Bluefish was saying:
JERUSALEM - Elite Iranian troops helped Hezbollah fire a sophisticated radar-guided missile at an Israeli warship, Israeli officials said Saturday, describing an apparent surprise blow by militants who had been using only low-tech weapons.
Iran denied that it had any troops in Lebanon.
Israel initially believed that an aerial drone armed with explosives hit the warship, but it became clear that Hezbollah had used an Iranian-made C-802 missile to strike the vessel late Friday, an Israeli intelligence official said on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the information.
Iran's embassy in Beirut issued a statement late Saturday that called the Israeli allegations "meaningless."
It is "an attempt to escape reality with the aim of covering up (Israel's) inability to confront the Lebanese nation and resistance," the statement said.
One Israeli sailor was killed and three were missing after the attack. The ship was returning to its home port in Israel, the army said.
About 100 fighters from Iran's Revolutionary Guard helped import, equip and fire the missile at the Spear, a missile ship cruising off the coast of Lebanon, which is under an Israeli naval blockade, Israeli officials said.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad condemned Israel's military offensive in Lebanon, saying "the Zionist regime behaves like Hitler," Iranian state television reported.
Hezbollah is widely believed to have been trained, funded and guided by the Revolutionary Guard since the militant group was founded during Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon. The Islamic republic's elite corps of more than 200,000 fighters is independent of the regular armed forces and directly controlled by Iran's supreme leader.
"We can confirm that it (the ship) was hit by an Iranian-made missile launched by Hezbollah. We see this as a very profound fingerprint of Iranian involvement in Hezbollah," Brig. Gen. Ido Nehushtan told The Associated Press.
The *****e militant group had been firing only highly inaccurate Katyusha rockets at Israeli targets. Israel appeared surprised that the guerrilla group had high-tech weapons.
Israeli officials speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information said that Hezbollah also has Iranian-made drones that are more accurate than missiles, as well as longer-range projectiles that could hit Tel Aviv, Israel's commercial hub.
An Israeli military official said the Spear's missile detection and deflection system was not on during the attack, apparently because the sailors did not anticipate such an attack.
The military official said the ship is one of the most technologically advanced in the Israeli fleet, boasting an array of high-tech missiles and a system for electronically jamming incoming missiles and other threats.
Nehushtan said another Hezbollah radar-guided anti-ship missile hit and sank a nearby Cambodian merchant ship around the time the Spear was struck. Twelve Egyptian sailors were pulled from the water by passing ships, Brig. Gen. Noam Fieg said.
Nehushtan said the body of one of the four Israeli soldiers missing in the attack was found on the damaged warship. Other Israeli military officials said two bodies had been found.
Israel launched an offensive after Hezbollah guerrillas crossed the Israel-Lebanon border on Wednesday and captured two Israeli soldiers. Israel has bombarded Lebanon's airport and main roads in the most intensive offensive against the country in 24 years, while Hezbollah has launched hundreds of rockets into Israel.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060715/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_attacked_ship
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I had to laugh when I heard about the "unmanned drone loaded with explosives". That's called a cruise missile folks.
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You realize folks that if the Israelis get definitive proof that the Iranians fired the missile at their warship that it would mean a serious escalation, possibly leading to them hitting the Iranians directly. Should that happen, you have to figure the Iranians declare war on Israel for the 'unprovoked attack' and all hell breaks loose.
Perhaps the Iranians plan to provoke Israel wasn't such a good idea after all...
:O
EagleDNY
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Originally posted by Bluefish
Just saw the news report about the Israeli missile boat that was apparently hit by an explosive-carrying "drone" launched by Hezbollah.
"Initially, it was believed that an unmanned drone laden with explosives had hit the Israeli warship; it later became clear that Hezbollah used what Israel described as an Iranian-made, radar-guided C-802 missile. "
(http://army.tom.com/images/weapon/missile/toship/23.jpg)(http://user1.7host.com/drno/news/C802.jpg)