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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: handy169 on July 16, 2006, 01:41:05 PM
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why is it the JU-88 can launch with no ords but the other bombers cant. i think being able to launch the other bombers without ords would be nice to do too.
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That reason is because the Ju88 is a bomber/dive bomber. So if your ganna dive bomb you wouldn't select the internal bombs, you would get the external bombs. If your level bombing you might not use the external bombs, but you would us the internal bombs for bombing. Basically with the Ju88, you can choose not to have certain bombs, and you can choose to have certain bombs for a certain mission. The other bombers don't have this kinda roll as the Ju88 so they always have bombs. Just take a B24 and drop the bombs on the runway. They won't blow up.
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Drop your bombs on the runway before takeoff.
Problem solved.
:aok
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cant do that if the ords are down. which is my point. if they are down you can up ju-88's but not any other bomber.
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SBD, IL2, D3a and the AR234....are also available without ords :huh Yet the A-20 isnt???????? The A-20 has 8 forward firing MG's...With its forward firing guns it is able to gun down barracks, ord bunkers, fuel bunkers, and radar...It is also able to kill Jeeps, M3's, M8's, and can turret ostwinds, basically rendering them useless unless they are guarding a map room with their pintle gun...What I just stated makes the A-20 a legitimate attack aircraft to be flown without ords...If for anything, atleast a more legitimate attack aircraft without ords then the D3a, SBD and JU-88...Hell even the AR234, but I understand it was used for recon....
Okay thats my rant about the A-20 (which I am 100% correct about)...
This is a flaw, and HITECH and Skuzzy are undoubetdly aware of it...please fix!
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plz do fix that htc. I would love to just take an A20 up as a fighter, or to just gun down bases with 50cals.
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It's been stated before..
The A20 is a bomber/attacker. Not a fighter/bomber. The planes that have "no bomb" loads are those that really had them. SBDs could be used for recon, sub hunting, you name it. Ju88 just has a coincidental "no bomb" load -- you need to be able to mix and match, and if somebody really wants they can "match" two empty loadouts. That doesn't mean it can *do* jack once it's taken off.
The A-20 is primarily a bomber. It just flies like a fighter.
That's what you want. You want fighters enabled after the FH is down. That's the only reason you want this. Well why not have fighters launch from the VH?? Why not have bombers launch from the VH too?! Because then bombing the hangars doesn't mean anything.
This is, first and foremost, a game. The A20 cannot take off without ord precisely because it is categorized as a bomber. If it were categorized as a fighter/attack you'd still not get it, because FH are the first thing to go down.
If you really really want base defense with a "bomber" aircraft, take up the IL2. No aircraft in the game beats this bugger for stopping base taking at the last second. Take off, HO everything in sight. Die. Rinse. Repeat.
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Krusty...with all due respect, since when do attack aircraft have to carry ords???? and please explain how the D3a fits into the picture
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Never mind.
The point is it's a game. There has to be lines drawn somewhere. Most level bombers (save for the Ju88) have to carry bombs. The A20G is a converted level bomber. For bombers to take off without ord would mean they are not bombers. I'm sure HTC had a logical reason (or set of them) when they made that decision.
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I just dont see it with the A-20...The thing doesnt even have a friggin bomb site! I wish HTC would explain
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cav58d HT is out to get you.
:noid :noid :noid
Bronk
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The solid-nose B25 wouldn't have a bombsight either. It would very much be a bomber. The A26 wouldn't have one either. It would very much be a bomber.
Just because something has a nose full of guns doesn't mean those are the primary weapon. The primary weapon of bombers will always be bombs. :D
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i think the point is.. it can fly without ords.. and should be allowed to flown with the option to carry no ords .. there is no rule that says that it has to carry bombs to take off .. when they where transfered from production line to the bases did they have bombs in them .. NO yet they took off just fine..
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Originally posted by handy169
i think the point is.. it can fly without ords.. and should be allowed to flown with the option to carry no ords .. there is no rule that says that it has to carry bombs to take off .. when they where transfered from production line to the bases did they have bombs in them .. NO yet they took off just fine..
Okay if the ords at the base you want to take off from are down,,, use another base. If the ords are down that usually means the base is under attack. If the base is under attack why the hell would you want to roll a bomber from there anyway? Unless you wanted to roll a buff in an attempt to use it as a flack wagon. If thats the case that may be the reason HTC has the game programed so bombers can't take off with the ord down. If you really want to fly something un-armed grab a C-47 with supplies fly to the base that has no ords and re-supply it and solve the problem.
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actually flying it as a flak wagon is what i want to do .. there no reason other then it forces you put bombs on the thing for it to take off.. which is really bogus.. it doesnt need bombs to fly .. just gas and engines and a pilot.
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Originally posted by handy169
actually flying it as a flak wagon is what i want to do .. there no reason other then it forces you put bombs on the thing for it to take off.. which is really bogus.. it doesnt need bombs to fly .. just gas and engines and a pilot.
No using a large WWII bomber as an ack wagon to defend a base under attack is bogus. The B is for Bomber, not Interceptor.
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Originally posted by Shifty
No using a large WWII bomber as an ack wagon to defend a base under attack is bogus. The B is for Bomber, not Interceptor.
So back in AH1 when I shot down two Niki's while climbing is not supposed to happen?
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Have you ever tried to up a set of buffs at a field under attack? You are more populat then jessica simpson in hot pants! I dont think "flak wagon" is an accurate term...Dont forget that the guns dont start shooting until wheels up, if you ever make it that far...
and the whole arguement about bombers being able to be flown without ords, is that all it takes is at a small airfield, 6 rockets to disable them...(2 rox per ammo bunker)....What the point of BH's if you can take them out this way
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If its that big of a deal to fly a bomber without ords then when you get on the runway drop all your ords and then takeoff you can take off and drop at the same time. You might get the bomber in the air and get some kill's but please dont up a bomber with me over the base because thats just target practice for me. But like I said just drop ords when you start to roll they wont blow up and then your not loaded up.:aok
Oh and by the way if that was all so afective in WWII dont you think you would have read about bombers doing interseptions?:O
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red> you cant up any bombers if the ords or down .. therefor you cant drop the bombs .. you can up Ju-88's though .. but not 25's or 26's 17's etc. cause it requires you have a load of bombs to take off.. and for those that dont know i am not in for the points .. i am in it for the win.. and honest those that know how i play .. i up a set of 88's til the field is uncapped.. if they run out of ammo or shot down they cant cap the field very well .. i would love to use the .50's on the other bombers rather then the puny 88 guns.
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Well then up the 25's,26's wile you can then move on to the 88's if you like:aok :O
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
So back in AH1 when I shot down two Niki's while climbing is not supposed to happen?
I don't know, but I'll play your silly game....... Was it supposed to happen?:rolleyes:
No I never have tried to up from a field under attack with buffs Cav. I have a hard enough time trying to up a fighter under attack.
Again why would anybody want to take buffs up without ords? Other then to take advantage of the three buff formation firepower. Your sure not taking off to bomb anything. Therefore if the ord is gone and there are no bombs at that field, then it makes sense there should be no bombers.
Whats the point of BH at small fields if they can be taken out with just two rockets, you ask?
Now you have a point there. Maybe they should remove the BH from small fields
:aok
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Well I can see the arguement about the B-17's and lancs ect....but I still dont get it about the A-20...It is a bomber/attack aircraft...Keyword attack! am I the only one here that thinks 8 forward firing MG's is a legitimate attack platform? Like I said it can kill jeep,m3,m8, M-16, LVT2, LVT4, and can turn ostwinds into useless hunks of metal... Thats 3/5ths of the vehicles in the game!!!!!!
Call me crazy, but that figure alone makes the A-20 a valid attack aircraft with just MG's.....
What GV's can the SBD and D3a kill with their mg's?
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Originally posted by cav58d
Well I can see the arguement about the B-17's and lancs ect....but I still dont get it about the A-20...It is a bomber/attack aircraft...Keyword attack! am I the only one here that thinks 8 forward firing MG's is a legitimate attack platform? Like I said it can kill jeep,m3,m8, M-16, LVT2, LVT4, and can turn ostwinds into useless hunks of metal... Thats 3/5ths of the vehicles in the game!!!!!!
Call me crazy, but that figure alone makes the A-20 a valid attack aircraft with just MG's.....
What GV's can the SBD and D3a kill with their mg's?
I agree with you on this Cav. The A20, JU88, and Mossie all had versions that were used as night fighters , or had versions with forward firing guns. These should be able to up with ord down IMO. Unfortunatly my opinon don't COAD.:)
I'm not real sure which version of the B25 had all the forward firing guns in it, but if we ever get it in the game it would be nice to see it flying with ord down.
My hostility towards buffs as ack wagons goes back to Warbirds in the mid 90's. People did that all the time, plus they had otto shooting for them. They didn't even have to aim the guns. Just troll through a furball, and pick up kills. So if my dislike for buffs being used to defend bases seems over the top..... Well theres why.