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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Kermit de frog on July 16, 2006, 02:41:07 PM
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I know that a minimum of 2 seconds is required to hold down the Y key.
What I'd like to know is, what are the benefits of holding down the Y key for longer periods of time.
Will my bombsite be more accurate if I hold it down longer?
Will my drones drop closer to my lead plane if I hold it down longer?
How long can I hold down the Y key?
Do higher altitude drops cause the drones to drop further away from the lead bomber?
Does speed make a significant difference in bomb spacing when dropping mulitple bombs?
When I drop FH's, the first FH will be hit directly, all 3 bombs will hit it, but on the 2nd FH, my bombs are always scattered severly. I'm not moving my crosshair and my bombers are at a reduced manifold setting. My joystick is working correctly. Can anyone help me answer these questions?
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The longer you press the Y key, the more accurate is calibration. You can check this by bringing up your clipboard and klicking on E6B. The closer the True Airspeed on that dispay is to the calibrated speed in bombsight, the better it is. Both values should not differ more than 2-3 mph for optimum results. I usually hold Y down for about 10 seconds, but you might best check it for yourself using the above method.
The relative position of your drones has nothing to do with altitude or bombsight calibration process.
Speed has an influence when dropping bombs in salvos, for each bomb drops after the time you set via ".delay xx" command. So if you fly 400mph the distance the bombs of a given salvo covers on ground is of course double as long as if you were flying at 200mph.
In real life, higher altitude drops causes a lot more dispersion in bombing pattern . But I still havenīt noticed such effect in AH2 yet. I usually drop my payloadfrom about 20-25k and get no worse accuracy as when bombing from 10k.
Im not sure about your last question. Do this effect appears after a turnaround and a second attack run, or is it happening when you attack both FH in a single run?
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single run
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RE: second drop being off(?). Sometime if you setup doesn't handle sounds well, you can get a bit of shudder and delay on your next release. Have that problem due to onboard sound myself. But from what I recall, you have a top end system(correct?).
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Regarding one of my questions.
If there are 2 FH's in row and I drop on the first one, I'll have to wait 2 or 3 seconds before my crosshairs are over the 2nd hanger. So, after I've dropped twice without ever needing any adjustments, my bombs will be highly scattered on the 2nd fighter hanger and will be very concentrated on the first hanger.
This is just 1 of many things I'd like to have help in getting cleared up on with bombing.
I'm now begging skuzzy or anyone at HTC to help me answer these questions.
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Hm, just run some offline tests and I have to say that I canīt duplicate your problem. The only time is seem to get scatter on second drop is when I make adjustments to my flightpath...
But what are the other "many things" you want to have cleared up?
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Go into external view and watch a full salvo of bombs drop.
They do not all fall the same. The reason I don't know but they all do not follow the same predictable path when the are released
I watch it every now and then one really gets some turbulence and sort of flings off to the side. I say turbulence but I am not sure thats really it or a randomizer to include some uncertainty in the bomb drop.
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Um the only thing that is hurting me is that when I go to set up my bombing sight I will be at 10 grand, and set my sight when i push the U key to set it it gose strait back down or if it stays at an angle the drop is way off. I have noticed that in my calculations window I can never get a drop Alt. or Calculation speed I dont under stand this is there a KEY that I might have hit to mess this up or ??? I love to run bombers but now its a pain trying to guesstamate the drop and land a good one can some one help me with this???:aok :O :O :O
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red, after pressing "U" once to enter calibration mode - the bombing cross can now be *moved* around with the Joystick, without steering the bomber! - youll need to hold down Y key to calibrate. Before dropping you now have to press "U" *again* to exit the calibration mode (all text in the left corner should be GREEN now). When not in calibration mode, the cross is fixed and moving stick will steer the bomber. Wait till target is in sight, then drop.
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The text in the upper left of the bombsight view, F6, will describe what you need to do.
1) Make MAKE MAKE MAKE sure you are at a constant speed. In my experience 2 or 3 mph error adds up at altitude and can throw your calibration out the window. Constant speed means steady AT XXX mph. At full throttle it's harder to get to that constant speed so lowering the throttle a little, the manifold pressure about 5, can give you some added correction.
2) ONLY when 1) is done go into calib mode U and hit Y key to actually calibrate.
HOLD Y down for as long as you can. 2 seconds is absolute minimum. I try for 10 minimum with 10 to 15 my usual time.
3) Note your 'calibrated speed' in bombsite view, compare this to your TAS on the Clipboard/E6B and if equal, you calibrated accurately. If not try to adjust with throttle if a mph or three off. If 5+ mph off, recalibrate , but correctly this time.
BOMB BAY DOORS add drag so you can deal with this in two ways.
A) Open them early before you start stabilizing your speed and be careful on your bomb release key.
B) Open the bay doors immediately before you release your bombs so the drag added is miniscule, very small. Remember though, even if your bombing two hangers with some distance between them you will deccelerate some and your second drop wont be as accurate as the first.
Another thing, the bombs themselves. With a formation you will drop a triangle pattern of bombs. This triangle is not always consistant and has a margin of error. If you drop when the black + is ON target in your view, the two drones will drop and hit slightly behind that +. You should try to drop when the target is in the center of your 'bomb impact' triangle.
Another thing is bomb size. IMO it's better to drop a salvo of 2 3x500lbs on a hanger instead of a salvo of 1 3x1000lb bombs. You don't carpet bomb the target but you cover it better that way and give yourself a larger margin of error.
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Originally posted by red26
Um the only thing that is hurting me is that when I go to set up my bombing sight I will be at 10 grand, and set my sight when i push the U key to set it it gose strait back down or if it stays at an angle the drop is way off. I have noticed that in my calculations window I can never get a drop Alt. or Calculation speed I dont under stand this is there a KEY that I might have hit to mess this up or ??? I love to run bombers but now its a pain trying to guesstamate the drop and land a good one can some one help me with this???:aok :O :O :O
when speed & alt is stable just do like the instructions on screen tell you:
press U to enter calibration mode
press Y for at least 2 (better: 10-15) seconds
press U again to leave calibration mode
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Ok, fuzeman was faster and mor detailed ;)
but i might lead your attention to the very detailed Level Bombing Guide at http://www.netaces.org
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Ok I when calibrating my sight I pull about 10 to 15 % off my speed bomb bay doors are open to compinsate drag I press Y to enter when AC is in level flight and around 3 Mph off is were it is wile i cali. I hold the Y key down for around 10 to 15 sec, ok then i hit the U key to set my sight sight will lock in place. OK in the screen were it tells you the drop alt. and drop speed its RED im aound 10 grand, ok when I drop it will to erly or to late but I will be like around 200 ft off target. I tryed to do the dive bombing B-26 thing but the wings came off quite quickly LOL when I pulled out of the dive. What do I do?? Form here???:aok :O :O
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After you calibrate and exit calibration mode, if everything is done properly the text should be green. Green does not mean accurately though.
It can take a full sector for your speed to stabilize and be steady enough to calibrate accurately.
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rgr but is there a key that would mess up the drop alt, and drop speed?
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Do not move your Joystick when in calibration mode. This will throw calibration off.
Also, make sure you dont enter and exit calibration mode without calibrating.
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once I hit the set key to set my cali, i dont even touch my plane Im pritty good a putting my plane in the right path before I get to the base im hitting.
I just dont understand it its like once I cali, and hit U to set my sight it all goes away with only touching U???
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In a calibration routine you hit U once to enter it and calibrate and then hit U a second time to exit.
You do not hit U again unless you want or need to recalibrate.
You drop bombs from the F6 view after having calibrated.
You can make minor course changes in F6 view with gentle left and right movement of joystick or controller.
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rgr that once I set my sight I dont touch my stick until I kick the servo drop switch loose and its still off.
I dont mean to be a pain in yer arsh but its kinda hard to help pork a base with a bad bombing sight. Were do I go to get a replacement? Do I go to Supply or The Wing Commander and how long to ship a new scope to me im in Bamberg at a little grass airstrip the Eng, cut out for us. LOL :rofl :rofl
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when i do bombinb runs, and i'm no expert, but hit, 80% of the time.... I usually climb to 10k if very heavy, or 15-20k if not so heavy (i.e. bombinb towns, or what not)....
light up inital approach, press f6, (bombing sight)
Press U enter calibraton mode)
Press Y hold, for x+2 where x = how ever long you feel is right
Realease Y
Press U, exit calibraton mode
Wait... Adjust as needed with stick, maybe add .salvo or .delay if i feel like it
trigger bombs...
press F3 if not in combat
check skys with views.. then Press 0 (default down view)... watch target for effect.... Eject if miss... chute... rince and repeat
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All my stuff is in check Im going by the book and its still off. I dont know whats going on.
I think one of my aircrew droped my sight when they were puting it in and they didnt tell me I will have there heads for that because I have to go to wing commander over this and get a new one. and its going to take forever for it to get to me. But once it dose I will be hitting on target once agin and busting hangers.:aok :aok :O :O :t
Oh and Im just lidding about going to the wing commander about the sight. I played D & D but never got much into it.:O :rofl :rofl :rofl :lol
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Any Ways, Crying to the wing commander never gets anything done... you need to follow Coc (chain of command), find out who worked on your plane, there should be papers, who signed off on calibration or even install of the sight, then make sure you know their chief, since you being an officer should never talk directly to an enlisted.. unless you have a specific reasion to.. the supervisor should be talked to first.... of course. telling them they are doing a good job is allowed... and not getting caught sleeping with the cute ones is allowed also.
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if you are still having problems i found this in the air wing library you should read it
http://www.netaces.org/ahbombing/bombing.html#title
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what i do is get to a nice alt.. (25-28K for me).. about a sector out from target i open my doors to get plane to constant speed.. once cruising good ill go to bomb sight.. ill move the crosshairs forward pretty far, zoom in, find a tree to aim at and then calibrate while keeping the crosshairs on the tree or whatever target i pick.. ill hold my calibration key for about 10-15 seconds keeping the crosshairs on my tree..... sometimes ill have to do it twice. Im pretty good at bombing and ill hit on the money 90% of the time. when you drop your first salvo and your not perfect calibration, your aircraft will start to speed up and that will throw your next salvo off... for example, your in lancs with 14K bombload.. your calibration is off by +3 MPH.. you release a salvo of 3 (3K worth of bombs), you aircraft is now 3000lbs lighter.. your going to be +4 MPH or more off on your next quick drop.. ive noticed this before.. look me up in the MA sometime and we can go on a run and ill show you what i mean. my callsign in the game is ken96r30
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rgr will you be online tonight?? if so I will see ya there.
By the By I was 82nd Airborne "ALL THE WAY" :aok :O
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82nd Airborne... well in that case... your on your own pal.. ha ha ha... just kidding... ill be on tonight.
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rgr Ill try to find ya if I can get on working late tonight but Im shure I will be able to get fo a little wile.:aok :O
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SKUZZY!!! Don't make me post in the Tech Support forum! Help me please.
Anyone from HTC, please help!!!
Oh and quit hijacking my thread you noobs!!!
:D
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read the first post i made.. i think that answers your origional question... well kinda answers it..
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Originally posted by 101ABN
read the first post i made.. i think that answers your origional question... well kinda answers it..
101ABN, I do know how to calibrate, but I was just curious and want to the know the advanced stuff. I fear only HTC can give me the right answers.
(http://lgmfilms.net/aceshigh/ahss97%20copy.jpg)
The drop to the left was done at 201mph ground speed and the drop to the right was done at 300mph ground speed.
Both were at 20k. Both a salvo of 4. Both a delay of 0.05. Bombs were 100lb'ers. No stick adjustments were made for at least 20 seconds before drop. Anyone know why this happens?
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oh and btw, my speed was off my 1mph on the left side drop (202mph) I checked my e6b 3 seconds prior to dropping bombs.
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Well, if you use the same delay in a salvo and drop two salvos at different speeds the spaceing will not be the same.
Calibrated or not the distance between the impacts will be greater just because your faster and travel a longer distance between the individual drops in a group salvo.
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The picture shows that by going slower, you will have a tighter, but longer area of bombing.
That just doesn't seem right.
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Sorry there Kermit de frog I didnt mean to ruin your thred wont do it agin promice.
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Originally posted by 101ABN
what i do is get to a nice alt.. (25-28K for me).. about a sector out from target i open my doors to get plane to constant speed.. once cruising good ill go to bomb sight.. ill move the crosshairs forward pretty far, zoom in, find a tree to aim at and then calibrate while keeping the crosshairs on the tree or whatever target i pick.. ill hold my calibration key for about 10-15 seconds keeping the crosshairs on my tree..... sometimes ill have to do it twice. Im pretty good at bombing and ill hit on the money 90% of the time. when you drop your first salvo and your not perfect calibration, your aircraft will start to speed up and that will throw your next salvo off... for example, your in lancs with 14K bombload.. your calibration is off by +3 MPH.. you release a salvo of 3 (3K worth of bombs), you aircraft is now 3000lbs lighter.. your going to be +4 MPH or more off on your next quick drop.. ive noticed this before.. look me up in the MA sometime and we can go on a run and ill show you what i mean. my callsign in the game is ken96r30
You do not need to hold your crosshairs on anything to calibrate.
1) Level out
2) Open doors
3) Allow speed to stablize
4) Press F6 to enter bombsight
5) Bring up clipboard and E6B
6) Press U to enter calibration
7) Press Y for 10 sec and release
8) If calibrated speed = E6B speed, Press U to exit calibration. If not, repeat. (Note: If you cannot get the speeds to match exactly, +- 2 mph is ok. If the E6B speed is 2 mph faster than your calibrated speed, drop a little sooner, if E6B speed is 2 mph slower than your E6B speed, drop a little later. This is depeneds on your speed difference and you'll have to experiment to find what works.)
9) Minimize clipboard
10) Zoom bombsight and make very small addjustments to flight path using sitck if needed.
11) Right before crosshairs cross target, release bombs.
12) Close doors
13) Fly home.
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
The picture shows that by going slower, you will have a tighter, but longer area of bombing.
That just doesn't seem right.
I guess before I responded I should have asked what direction those bomb runs were made.
I'm crawling back in my cave. My brain hurts!
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There was no need to ask the question fuzeman. All you had to do was read my poorly written statements in my earlier posts. I should have said "the drop to the left in the picture" and "the drop to the right in the picture" otherwise, you may think I meant "my right" or "my left", and since my bombers are going down in the picture, my right would mean to the left in the picture. Is this better. :)
Yo Red26, by the way, I'm just messing wit ya. :D
Alas, I feel like I'm getting frustrated on this thread. I'll email someone at HTC and I hope they will be able to help me out.
Thank you all for replying to this thread. Some great links ended up on this thread and will be of good use for me and others as well.
Someday, we all might know all the rules to bombing in Aces High II.
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who are you and what have you done with kermit the typh noob?
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Originally posted by Messiah
who are you and what have you done with kermit the typh noob?
After pwn'n you in the TA, I've felt that my fighter skills have achieved the ultimate fighter level, and I'm now ready to retire to bomber status. :noid
I'm after your FH's haisseM. I will hunt you down and stop you from upping near the furball. I will vulch you from 30k. I will kill your radar, locally and nationally. There will be no place safe to hide from the all powerful and all mighty Flying Fortress. You want to stop me? Climb up to my level and try it boi!!!!!!!!
You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya Messiah?
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Muahhaahhahha!
P.S.
I'll still up my typhy and kill your 109 or is it the ez mode spit8?:D
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I challenge you to a 1v1 b17 duel