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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Bombardy on July 17, 2006, 04:04:41 AM
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My fiancee is Japanese, and in addition to all the great things you get when you are involved with a Japanese women (really!) are the snippets of things from "the other side" regarding WW2, which are totally fascinating. I can tell you 2 things:
A) they teach history of WW2 totally differently than what you would find american highschools - although it's not too far off perspectives in college courses.
B) Never ever dispute what they say, who can be sure who's right?
Okay, so the Fiancee used to live in DC and give tours of the air and space museum to visiting Japanese - and along the tour she would take them to the A6M and say:
"This is the A6M Zero which was the most advanced fighter in WW2 until the Americans caputred one and copied it's technology and made improvements"
Slightly slanted eh? at first I recoiled at her description...... then I remembered that the US had been cowering the pacific islands in hopes of finding an intact example for analysis and the F6F's design included specifications that were the result of the data collected from a captured A6M
I was just about to tell her something along the lines of "wait a sec, the F4U-1 was designed before the capture of an A6M and I routinely *power* PWN Zero's in the MA with it" but....... I let it go
tune in next week when I will pose the question "who started WW2?" to the the Fiancee......
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:lol
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Trust me, its not an argument you will win. Even if you manage to prove you are right, you'll end up wishing you had the sense to just keep your mouth shut and nod your head. Choose your battles wisely. Some victories are not worth the cost.
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Originally posted by Bombardy
tune in next week when I will pose the question "who started WW2?" to the the Fiancee......
I love hearing the other side. What does she make of Midway?
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Dont forget the zero was based at least partly on the howard hughes design.
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I think the idea that the F6F was designed based on the tests conducted on a captured A6M are false... I don't have the book in front of me but I believe the F6F prototype was flown before the A6M was found in the Aleutians. I don't think any signifigant design changes were made to the prototype after that.
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Mustaine: I'd read that that, too, was a myth.
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"tune in next week when I will pose the question "who started WW2?" to the the Fiancee...... "
"A peaceful Japanese fishing fleet was brutally attacked while in international waters off coast of the Hawaii. For some unknown reason, the rest of the world then attacked Japan and dropped bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki killing approximately 2.6 billion people."
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^^^^^^^
What Star of Africa said.
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Thats grand, but yeah. Never argue about that kind of thing, you may win, but you will regret it
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The F6F was designed to counter the zero, which is why I believe it did not serve long after the war like the Corsair coninued to serve into the Korean War.
You could get her to look at planes such as the P38, which was designed in 1939 and held the highest K/D ratio for any USAAC fighter. See what she thinks about that plane (without trying to prove you are right to her).
You should register as axis for Operation Downfall and let her watch, the key is YOU must fly Japanese or she may get mad:lol
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if you intend on having a peaceful and fruitful domestic life then the best advice I've heard on this topic was given by C3PO to R2D2 and that was "let the wookie win" sage advise I often wish I had applied it more at home.
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(http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/attack/a2/a17s.jpg)
the A-17 kinda reminds me of the ijn planes .
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Originally posted by Raptor
You should register as axis for Operation Downfall and let her watch, the key is YOU must fly Japanese or she may get mad:lol
Hehe
Raptor, when I went to the site to sign up for the scenario, I had every intention of signing up to fly for the IJN, hoping to get a ride in a Ki-61.
Of course when I saw the layout it was absolutely impossible. I had to fly for VF-17. Honor demanded it.
My wife was sitting next to me in our office, fiddling with something on her computer, and when I told her I signed up for the US side she just shook her head and said "Why, you have a deathwish?"
I'm not quite sure still if she meant during the scenario or for real. Japanese may be quiet about their national pride, but dont mistake that for pacifism lol. Meanwhile I'm being VEEEEEERRY nice to her until this is over. :noid ;)
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Trivia:
Where was the first A6m found that they gathered their info from?
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
Trivia:
Where was the first A6m found that they gathered their info from?
One crashlanded during the Aleutian campagin... forget which island it was...
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Soulyss is correct. It was at Unmak during the Dutch Harbor raid in June of 1942.
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We do win some battles......but they always win the war.
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win the battle... occupy the doghouse.. ha ha ha..
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wtg soulyss
I seen this the other day thought it was kinda funny that someone named soulyss had this score.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/902_1153171684_soulyss666.jpg)
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Originally posted by Soulyss
I think the idea that the F6F was designed based on the tests conducted on a captured A6M are false... I don't have the book in front of me but I believe the F6F prototype was flown before the A6M was found in the Aleutians. I don't think any signifigant design changes were made to the prototype after that.
Not true, the US found that the f6f was underpowered to combat the a6m so modifications were made immediately following the find. First of all the hellcat, pre-zero find, was going to be powered by an r2600, after they realised that wasn't enough power to give the hellcat an atvantage, the r2800 was chosen. If they hadn't found the zero the r2600 would have been used and our beloved hellcat would have probably been nicknamed the FAT wildcat! "The tactics were brutally simple, and almost foolproof: dive in, shoot, if necessary dive out of a fight--never get into a turning contest and never enter a fighter-to-fighter hassle in anything like a climb. It all worked to the extent that the Hellcat established an astounding nineteen-to-one kill vs. loss ratio in the Pacific, even better than the Corsair."
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Originally posted by Mustaine
Dont forget the zero was based at least partly on the howard hughes design.
Funny how both sides spew the same BS.
And it is BS in both cases.
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Not really true, the XF6F-1 was flown on 26th of June 1942, and after initial tests it was decided that the R2600 was too small, and so they decided to go with the R2800. On June 30th 1942 the XF6F-3 was flown (yes, only days later), and Grumman chose it because it met the specs laid out before.
The requirements for the "new fighter" were set out months before, and there was very little time for any feedback from any captured Zeros.
Combat with the Zeros vs the USN had been limited to just Coral Sea and Midway by June 1942, by which time the Hellcat program was well under way.
Certainly Grumman and the USN would have been mindfull of European and British designs, and the Japanese, and were to some degree going to be influenced by what info they were getting on fighters from other nations, such influence is par for the course in wartime. Did they have the Zero in mind during the months of work on the Hellcat prototype? I am sure they did, but I think its an overstatement to directly link the Hellcat design to the Zero that closely.
"Hellcat" by David Anderton.
EDIT: Just dug out my Zero dates, the "captured Zero" was not ready for testing untill October 1942, with trials vs US types taking place in December 1942.
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I'm showing my age here....
If you ever watched 'Starblazers' as a kid, they made a Japanesse version of an episode about how the "Argo" (Yamato) was sunk, which never aired.
Much like Rolex says, when we attacked and sank that ship, we came out of no where, for no reason, yada yada
I'll hunt around, something that unique must be on DVD or even YouTube by now
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My wife is Chinese... Korean War discussions are somewhat useless. Though I will say that when my in-laws were here we spent some time on it with the wife as a translator and it was fascinating.
Standing on the Oshkosh FL last year and pointing out the hydraulic speed brakes on the F86 and their purpose did not enhance my love life later that evening.
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Kind of sort of true. The Navy had ordered two prototypes of the F6F to be built, both with different engines (the Wright 2600 in both, though the second was to be turbocharged). The XF6F-1 first flew on June 30, 1942. The USN suggested, before much meaningful testing had been done, that the plane needed a more powerful engine. The decision was taken by the design team at Grumman to use the P&W R-2800. This was placed in the second prototype (completed as the XF6F-3) which first flew on July 29, 1942.
The Aleutians Zero crashed on June 4, 1942. It was found June 10th. It was then recovered and shipped to San Diego (NAS North Island) where it was repaired and flown. It is important to note, though, that flight evaluations of the captured aircraft began in late September 1942. This was 2 months after the XF6F-3 had flown with the P&W R-2800.
What the Aleutian's Zero did was confirm everything that had been reported by the Navy concerning the Zeke's performance. It proved that putting the new engine in the Hellcat was the right thing and that the F6F was truly a Zeke-killer.
I type too slow and it seems as if Squire more or less said the same thing.
Felt like I should add a pic of a Hellcat and its favorite target in formation:
(http://webpages.charter.net/wbarritt/HellcatAndZero1.jpg)
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One can easily make an argument that the Japanese borrowed heavily from American aircraft design.
In 1937, the Japanese government purchased Vought's V-143 prototype. This little fighter was extensively flown and examined by both Nakajima and Mitsubishi.
When captured Ki-43s were later examined by Vought engineers, they stated that they could see the influence of the V-143. Judge for yourself. Mitsubishi did borrow the oil cooler ductwork design and based their landing gear design on that of the Vought (the landing gear being designed by Northrop before they sold the design to Vought).
No one designs in a vacuum, everyone looks at what came before them and applies what technology they can use.
(http://home.att.net/~c.c.jordan/V-143-Ki-43.jpg)
My regards,
Widewing
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I am quite certain that the decision to go with the r2800 was influenced by the examination of the captured zero. Although no actual test flight of the a6m had been performed before the decision was made, initial examinations of the captured zero confirmed that the aircraft was capable of the data being recieved from the field. Therefore the more powerful r2800 was the only alternative!:aok
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Originally posted by Mathman
Kind of sort of true. The Navy had ordered two prototypes of the F6F to be built, both with different engines (the Wright 2600 in both, though the second was to be turbocharged). The XF6F-1 first flew on June 30, 1942. The USN suggested, before much meaningful testing had been done, that the plane needed a more powerful engine. The decision was taken by the design team at Grumman to use the P&W R-2800. This was placed in the second prototype (completed as the XF6F-3) which first flew on July 29, 1942.
The Aleutians Zero crashed on June 4, 1942. It was found June 10th. It was then recovered and shipped to San Diego (NAS North Island) where it was repaired and flown. It is important to note, though, that flight evaluations of the captured aircraft began in late September 1942. This was 2 months after the XF6F-3 had flown with the P&W R-2800.
What the Aleutian's Zero did was confirm everything that had been reported by the Navy concerning the Zeke's performance. It proved that putting the new engine in the Hellcat was the right thing and that the F6F was truly a Zeke-killer.
I type too slow and it seems as if Squire more or less said the same thing.
Felt like I should add a pic of a Hellcat and its favorite target in formation:
(http://webpages.charter.net/wbarritt/HellcatAndZero1.jpg)
Sweet pic, Mathman! :aok
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Although wasn't McCampbell's killboard on the starboard side of the aircraft?
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Originally posted by Saxman
Although wasn't McCampbell's killboard on the starboard side of the aircraft?
On the panel below the gunsight with pencil marks.
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Originally posted by LePaul
I'm showing my age here....
If you ever watched 'Starblazers' as a kid, they made a Japanesse version of an episode about how the "Argo" (Yamato) was sunk, which never aired.
Starblazers..... Great cartoon:aok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9A9jLHjD3c
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Originally posted by LePaul
I'm showing my age here....
If you ever watched 'Starblazers' as a kid, they made a Japanesse version of an episode about how the "Argo" (Yamato) was sunk, which never aired.
Much like Rolex says, when we attacked and sank that ship, we came out of no where, for no reason, yada yada
I'll hunt around, something that unique must be on DVD or even YouTube by now
(http://www.starblazers.com/images/gallery_images/10.jpg)
Wave motion gun baby.:D
Bronk
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Bombardy, show your girlfriend the Japan1 terrain and ask her what she thinks of it. I would really like to see what she thinks. P59 is Tokyo and P86 is Nagasaki.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Not true, the US found that the f6f was underpowered to combat the a6m so modifications were made immediately following the find. First of all the hellcat, pre-zero find, was going to be powered by an r2600, after they realised that wasn't enough power to give the hellcat an atvantage, the r2800 was chosen. If they hadn't found the zero the r2600 would have been used and our beloved hellcat would have probably been nicknamed the FAT wildcat! "The tactics were brutally simple, and almost foolproof: dive in, shoot, if necessary dive out of a fight--never get into a turning contest and never enter a fighter-to-fighter hassle in anything like a climb. It all worked to the extent that the Hellcat established an astounding nineteen-to-one kill vs. loss ratio in the Pacific, even better than the Corsair."
I think your info on the engine is mistaken. Grumman was not yet evaluating the Hellcat when the Navy pressed production by insisting on the most powerful engine available the R2800.
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Originally posted by Chalenge
I think your info on the engine is mistaken. Grumman was not yet evaluating the Hellcat when the Navy pressed production by insisting on the most powerful engine available the R2800.
The first hellcat had an r2600 but was not enough power. So, the r2800 was used and it gave the hellcat a 40 mph advantage over the zero at 10,000 and I think 70mph at 20,000. I need not post in these type of threads as I am definitely not the expert, just a huge fan of the hellcat! :aok
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If you're in the land of the rising sun, swing by Nagasaki and check out the museum there. There's a timeline right at the front labled (in English) "Events Leading Up To The Atomic Bomb Attack" or something like that. THE TIMELINE STARTS IN 1943... I thought to myself when I saw that "Hey, aren't they missing some things?"
Go figure that one out...
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I read an article on POW's in PTO , in which one of them went back to japan to confront his captors.Upon his visit he went too Hiroshima and found that school children in Japan must go to that place so that they are reminded of america's war crimes.I don't know if it was all true but that sounds twisted, them thinkin that the USA droppin the bomb on them is a war crime.
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I wouldnt say they view it as a "war crime". "Criminal", perhaps, in the sense that War robbed them of those lives. They certainly acknowledge their own culpability though. You have to understand the modern Japanese mentality that has been shaped by 60 years of Pacifism and anti-war sentiment. They certainly view the use of Atomic weapons as "evil". Only in the most recent generation can they even think of using armed force for more than just defending their borders. Or rather for expanding the definition of "defense" to include preventative action instead of waiting for the fight to come to them. Even that is hotly debated.
I'm not even sure I'm putting it into the right words. Rolex could probably explain it better, or maybe busa (but I'm not sure he even reads the boards anymore).
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The A-bomb has always been a sensative subject that many have different oppinions on, somehow it doesnt surprise me that some feel it was a war crime. Many belive the A-bomb was totaly overkill. I personaly belive there must have been a better solution than to kill so many innocent people, let alone un-leash such a nasty weapon onto the world. I cant imagine the people who decided to drop the bomb sleep well at night, I know Einstein fealt very badly about it.
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My wife is a third-generation native Tokyoite.
She did junior college and has an English-teaching license.
Until I told her 2 years ago, she had no idea that there had been fire raids, or indeed any other kind of raid, on Tokyo during the war.
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Everyone missed the whole point!
WOMAN ARE EVIL!
You won't win, you might think you win, but you just lost.
Phaser11
Member "Heman womans haters club"
"I die free"
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guys, track down the recent video release "the fog of war" documentary and interview with Robert S macnamara,
compared to the firebombing, the atom bombs were nothing
1 night over tokyo and 150,000 died, 60% of the city destroyed, and we did it to just about every single city, big or small, in japan.
even Macnamara said "we were behaving as war criminals"
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I don't really give much creditability to anything that comes out of McNamara's mouth. Ask Lemay what he thought.
Two books I'd recommend--"War Without Mercy" (can't remember the author), and "Thank God For The Atom Bomb" by Paul Fussel.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
They certainly acknowledge their own culpability though.
I have a bit of a problem with this statement. This is exactly the sort of thing the Japanese (at least, the Japanese GOVERMENT) has PROBLEMS doing. Remember the whole flap last year or so about textbooks glossing over what Japan did in China and the Koreas? IIRC there's never even been an official apology until RECENTLY.
Germany and Japan both have a bit of a problem where--whether out of shame, pride, or whatever--they try to bury what they did during the war, rather than face up to it.
Which don't the Japanese have a shrine honoring the leaders executed for war crimes as heroes?
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bombardy, let it go my friend.or the next sound you may hear will be battery-operated.;)
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You should ask her about Pearl Harbor and see what she says
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I don't think many girls have as good of an understanding of war history as they do about shoes. :)
It's pretty interesting to still see people say that Japan has never apologized. Japan has apologized over and over. Prime ministers and 2 emperors have apologized over 40 times. If you don't believe me, let me know and I will post every one of them here. It will look like a Ripsnort post... ;)
Where are all the apologies from the confederates for the Civil War? Where are all the apologies from the British from their colonizations? Where are all the apologies from the French, Dutch and Spanish colonizations? Where are all the apologies from Norway and Italy? Where are all the apologies for US slavery and Indian wars? Where are all of these other apologies?
China and Korean politicians have a domestic political purpose in keeping the wounds alive.
No, the Japanese do not have a shrine honoring the leaders executed for war crimes. They have a shrine for all Japanese war dead from all wars. In the Shinto religion, those who die are no longer judged. They may be judged in life and be executed, but they have paid the price for the deeds in their life. In death, they are just dead.
What exactly have the last several generations of Japanese or Germans done in the past 60 years to deserve this never ending scorn? Who of you have they harmed or attacked? Japanese have provided hundreds of billions of dollars of aid to countries around the world and is the 2nd largest contributor of aid for the last 5 decades.
They learned their lesson.
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Where are all the apologies from the confederates for the Civil War?
Uh ......they aren't trying too sell their cars here either.
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Originally posted by Stoney74
I don't really give much creditability to anything that comes out of McNamara's mouth. Ask Lemay what he thought.
Two books I'd recommend--"War Without Mercy" (can't remember the author), and "Thank God For The Atom Bomb" by Paul Fussel.
According to Macnamara, Lemay said "if we had lost the war, we would be tried as war criminals"
even Lemay was aware that there is a another side to the "justification" coin.
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Originally posted by Saxman
I have a bit of a problem with this statement. This is exactly the sort of thing the Japanese (at least, the Japanese GOVERMENT) has PROBLEMS doing. Remember the whole flap last year or so about textbooks glossing over what Japan did in China and the Koreas? IIRC there's never even been an official apology until RECENTLY.
I think Rolex covered most of your post pretty well, but I'll just say here that there is a big lack of awareness on the part of most Americans just how much or how little the Japanese have acknowledged anything. Even if you were right, there is a big difference between official govt. positions on things and the average citizen's perspective. Also, the "flap" about the textbooks was about NEW textbooks that would gloss over some of the more horrible aspects rather than going into detail, flogging themselves and their ancestors with the whip of guilt as they have done for 3 generations now. Some of them believe they have done their penance, and there is no need to continue to force their children to bow their heads in shame from the time they begin school for something their great-grandparents did. I personally agree.
Rather typical of us Americans, we rely on what we see on the news to tell us what goes on around the world, when that's really not a good indicator of world events at all. Not only that, most Americans tend to see other countries and their values through eyes prejudiced by personal views, rather than trying to understand the those of the culture they are studying. I have been, and am still just as guilty of it as anyone else. It's something I have to work to overcome.
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Originally posted by Bombardy
According to Macnamara, Lemay said "if we had lost the war, we would be tried as war criminals"
even Lemay was aware that there is a another side to the "justification" coin.
Like the guy said, I'd give zero credibility to anything that comes out of McNamara's mouth.
One more thing. No one tries the winner of a war for war crimes, everyone tries the losers. So what LeMay said was just being realistic, not an acknowledgement of guilt.
By 1943, there were any number of possible outcomes for Japan, none of them good. They lost, most of them (those who knew strategy) knew they had lost before they attacked Pearl Harbor. The only thing to be decided was how badly they'd get mauled. The longer Japan fought, and the more ferociously they fought, the worse they'd get mauled.
The truth is, compared to what might have happened, the atomic bombs, despite their horrifying results, were close to merciful. Imagine the destruction of Japan had there been a reasonably long period of bombardment leading up to an invasion. With the B-29s dropping incendiaries by the ton on Japanese cities, Japan would have been a smoldering ruin with millions dead and millions homeless by November, even at the rate the bombing was going in mid 1945. No doubt, the bombing campaign would have been ramped up dramatically in preperation for the invasion.
War is horrible, it is ugly, it is the greatest atrocity man commits on his fellow man. No one escapes war unscathed, it touches everyone living, those it kills, and those yet to be born. if truth is the first casualty of war, civilians are the second, and it is a close race, nearer a tie.
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Poor girl, she obviously has made a mistake... ;)
-C+
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Like the guy said, I'd give zero credibility to anything that comes out of McNamara's mouth.
I am curious, why?
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You can say whatever you want about the jap government but after reading this it doesn't matter to me i say they got what they deserve and if they want they can get it again.
http://www.battlingbastardsbataan.com/dbh.htm
I strongly urge everyone to read the entire story all the way through.
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So you blame people who are mostly now anywhere from 2 to as much as 4 generations removed from those actions? Give it up man. Bad things happen sometimes in a war. My grandfather slogged through the jungles in the Philippines fighting the Japanese, and served for a brief time with the army occupying Japan after the war. He certainly never taught us or his kids to hate the Japanese. Just the opposite. I've seen Pearl Harbor survivors meet survivors from the Japanese attack force here on Pearl Harbor Day, and shake hands.
I dont see why they can get past something that happened 60 years ago and realize that today is a new day with new people, but you for some reason cant. Do you have some personal grudge or are you just trolling?
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The problem is the kind of "burying" that's going on easily leads to apathy, or worse, the potential for repetition.
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Have you ever been shot at in Combat, in real life?
Did you read the whole story?
That guy went too japan( after being talked into going) too confront his past and finally put it behind him.He confronts the one jap peacefully and the little jap won't even look him in the eye or admit to what he did.
Thats just how i feel and you don't have too agree or disagree with it.
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Yes I've been shot at. Combat? No. I've never been in any branch of the service. I suppose if someone shoots at you and you shoot back, it could be called combat, but I'm not going to play semantics games.
I read the story. I fully understand why the man in it would feel the way he did. He obviously doesnt lump all Japanese into one group either, or he wouldnt have been there doing the story for their news program in the first place.
Are there some racist Japanese? Sure there are. Are there some really ignorant people living on those islands? Most definitely. I could say the same about us in America, or in any other country in the world. How does that make them different?
You are certainly welcome to your opinion on the matter. All I'm saying is, there's more to it than just one perspective.
People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. And these days, we all live in glass houses.
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This will be my last post in this topic.
I think you, Autopilot, need to read the story again.
All soldiers in all wars do brutal acts to their enemies and civilians. Roman, Greek, British, American, Canadian, Russian, German, Australian, Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, Serbian, Croatian, Israeli - they have all done it.
As the story you linked to points out, the Japanese making the documentary years after the war and the descendants and relatives of the old soldiers showed no ill will toward the former POW or Americans as a whole. Even the writer appreciated the hospitality and concern they showed for him.
You are the one continuing the hatred. And you were not even there. Your use of the offensive slang "Japs" says more about you than anything you write.
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As a side note, "Japs" is not an offensive slur. "slant-eye" or something similar would be. "Japs" is a nickname. Like "Brits" "Yanks" "Krauts" and so forth. Americans shorten probably 99.9999% of all names down to 1 syllable at some time or another. That's a product of the language, and holds no connotation negative or positive, other than the full word has.
In war with Japan, people are going to spit out the word "Japanese" with the same vehemence as they would "Nazi" -- doesn't mean the word is a slur, just means they (at this time) hate the people.
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Yes it is. Look in a dictionary, Krusty.
Jap
n. Offensive Slang
Used as a disparaging term for a person of Japanese birth or descent.
******
n. Offensive Slang
Used as a disparaging term for a Black person.
(This really is my last post. If someone wants to argue with the dictionary, have at it :) )
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Eventually some soldiers of every country in a war go bad. It is the nature of warfare. I for one feel for all the innocent children who get and have gotten caught up in wars. It is a crime that humanity has yet to wipe from the face of the planet. To this day there are children dying in every conflict that is going on at the moment. Did we have to hit hiroshima and Nagasaki, that is a question that is mute. Maybe we could have dropped one or two in areas that would have let the Japanese see what they eventually saw without killing so many children, but then again that question will never be answered! I think MacAurthur showed the Japanese people that whatever the US did during the war, we were willing to treat the Japanese with honor afterwards. Yes you have some, maybe many in Japan that would like to rewrite history and show americans in a bad light, but many more find that if they could have been captured by any of their enemies, they would rather it be Americans. Sometimes crimes have to be committed in war as a sort of endall to the main problem, but its how you show your former enemies honor that will count in the end! Although I have posted on this I would hope that skuzzy would either lock or move this thread as this is not the forum for this type of discussion!
Mark
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With all due respect Krusty (and agreeing with your POV by the way), whether the term was ever meant to be derogatory or not is irrellevant, if it is taken that way. Just sayin.
I remember when I started playing AH regularly, and tried out the Combat Theater (our current AvA arena). It was a Pacific setup, and there were a few good fights to be had. Then someone started on what I am sure was a mock verbal assult on "japs". My wife was with me, watching, as she hadnt yet been turned off by the foul language of the MA, and she left the room. It embarrassed her and quite frankly hurt her feelings some of the things they were saying. To be quite frank, it ticked me off. Still, I politely asked the people in the arena not to use those terms. I was blasted every which way possible. I didnt attack anyone or ask them to give anything up. I just asked them to be more polite. Instead they became less so.
From what I've seen people who use the term "jap" are more likely to be upset and defensive when called on it than any Japanese person is upset at hearing it. That doesnt mean they like it. I could call you all sorts of names that, strictly speaking, are not offensive. Doesnt mean you wouldnt take them that way.
Just something to think about.
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Your use of the offensive slang "Japs" says more about you than anything you write.
thats funny, and it was my second choice as words used to describe them.I guess somebody has too love them, it's just not me.Rolex i never cared what you thought before and i sure don't now.As far as i am concerned you can kick it with them all you want too, hell might as well throw in Barberella and drive a Honda and think thats it's koe-sha
Krusty a big WTFG on makin him break his werd
This will be my last post in this topic.
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understand that history is told by the goverment on what they want thier people to know.. with that being said enjoy the differnt view points the 2 of you have and leave the arguments for more important matters as soon you will have when she goes from the to be mrs. to the mrs. :)
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"Brit" is used as affectionate slang.
"Jap" is used as offensive and derogatory slang, or are you so naive as to think the Americans in WWII were using an affectionate tinted word to refer to the Japanese?
Maybe to you people in inland areas don't see it as an insult, but given the scarcity of Japanese people you deal with I think you ought to consider that those of us on the west coast just might know what we are talking about in this case.
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thats funny, and it was my second choice as words used to describe them.I guess somebody has too love them, it's just not me.Rolex i never cared what you thought before and i sure don't now.As far as i am concerned you can kick it with them all you want too, hell might as well throw in Barberella and drive a Honda and think thats it's koe-sha
You've got some serious issues.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
hell might as well throw in Barberella and drive a Honda a
Krusty a big WTFG on makin him break his werd
You can have the wonderful American actress that played Barberella, but I will take that Honda........
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This has to be trolling. Nobody is that much of a neanderthal.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
This has to be trolling. Nobody is that much of a neanderthal.
OMG look at some of his previous posts . The boy just aint right.
This is mild compared to most.
Bronk
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SoA2, you've made a good post there, and have a good point. I, however, tend to believe that the word itself is not a slur. I believe words can be turned INTO slurs, by the invection and the way they are said/spat out of the mouth. You can say the word "Friend" with growl and it instantly becomes clear it means enemy. That doesn't make the word "friend" a slur. Far from it.
I don't disagree with what you've typed SOA, but I still believe it's more the use and not the word.
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Originally posted by Lye-El
You can have the wonderful American actress that played Barberella, but I will take that Honda........
Gawd I havent seen that movie for 10 years!
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Originally posted by Krusty
SoA2, you've made a good post there, and have a good point. I, however, tend to believe that the word itself is not a slur. I believe words can be turned INTO slurs, by the invection and the way they are said/spat out of the mouth. You can say the word "Friend" with growl and it instantly becomes clear it means enemy. That doesn't make the word "friend" a slur. Far from it.
I don't disagree with what you've typed SOA, but I still believe it's more the use and not the word.
Errrr........yes, but you are missing the point. I honestly dont think most people who use it intend it to be derogatory. But then you arent the one getting your feelings hurt either.
I suppose if you were Hispanic and I called you "spic", and said its a legitimate contraction of the proper term, you would just accept it?
Little bit different take on it ..........
I have several black friends. They toss the "N word" around pretty lightly amongst themselves. I'd never dream of using it, even though we are good friends. Why? Because for them, its a put down but joking. From me, they'd see it as using a derogatory term. I cold argue I dont mean it that way, but would it matter?
How my friends view what I say is important to me. How my wife views what I say is important to me. I would never use the N word around my black friends, I'd never say Jap around my wife's family. And honestly, even if I agreed with your position and understood you didnt mean anything by it, if you called my wife a Jap and hurt her feelings I'd have to punch you in the nose. ;)
I think that makes sense.
Btw, thats not a threat, its intended in a light-hearted manner. I dont think you are the kind of person who would do any such thing, just trying to make you understand that if you hurt someone, what difference does it make what you meant? Why not just say it the right way to start with?
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Oh, I get what you're saying now. I did miss that point in your previous post. Sorry!
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ask your fiancee about the little parade they had on Bataan..
then show her the pictures & tell her the story ..
if she can't handle the truth, you may want to throw her back in and grab another ..
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Quick little take about the whole "criminal" aspect of dropping The Bomb . . .
Always remember it is the aggressor that sets the rules. Well before Pearl Harbor, the Axis powers had established the rules of World War II -- it was to be Total War, and civilians were a legitamate target. The Japanese had made that perfectly clear at Nanking and elsewhere, the Germans made that clear as early as the invasion of Poland when they bombed Warsaw's civilian population. ([aside] I always laugh when revisionist historians try to pin the start of bombing civilians on Churchill [/aside])
So, IMHO, since the Axis had established the rules, the Allies shouldn't be faulted for following them.
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With regard to the atomic bombs in WWII, there are credible estimates that not using them would have caused an additional 1 million US casualties and an additional 10 million Japanese casualties. Operation Downfall, which is the topic of the scenario starting Saturday (I encourage all to participate), was the planned invasion of Japan that was to take place if the atomic bombs weren't able to be used -- it would have been an enormous conflict, and we had lots of information in previous island invasions from which to estimate what it would be like.
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We would not dream of telling the japanese what to call us in thier own language. They would be outraged if we did.
I sure dont expect a 20 year old japanese or even an 80 year old one to apologize for IJA officers keeping ausies alive so that they could take the tender bits off of them to eat over a period of several days. But I dont expect them to tell me to stop talking about it either.
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Originally posted by E25280
Quick little take about the whole "criminal" aspect of dropping The Bomb . . .
Always remember it is the aggressor that sets the rules. Well before Pearl Harbor, the Axis powers had established the rules of World War II -- it was to be Total War, and civilians were a legitamate target. The Japanese had made that perfectly clear at Nanking and elsewhere, the Germans made that clear as early as the invasion of Poland when they bombed Warsaw's civilian population. ([aside] I always laugh when revisionist historians try to pin the start of bombing civilians on Churchill [/aside])
So, IMHO, since the Axis had established the rules, the Allies shouldn't be faulted for following them.
I sure as hell hope we have more dignity and moral substance than to follow the rules of our enemies. Usually, there are just a few to blame from the ground to the top brass for most war crimes that take place during warfare. Take for instance, in vietnam where a few generals in a board room decided to go with "body counts" to assess how the war was going, or when Falkenhayn came up with this brilliant idea at Verdun "German General Erich von Falkenhayn was convinced that the war could only be won in the west. He decided on a massive attack on a French position 'for the retention of which the French Command would be compelled to throw in every man they have'. Once the French army had bled to death, Britain would be fighting alone on the Western Front.", or Mark Clark's "brilliant tactics" in Italy that sent thousands to their death without a fighting chance! I hate to think about how Clark stopped chasing the German's so he could make a photo op in Rome that the germans had left for the taking, not to mention the Rapido river incident and all those brave Texans that were ordered into that Grave with banks. I'm getting a little off subject here, but the point is there are many American's throughout the history of wars that have made decisions that were infact down right criminal and horrific crimes against humanity, there are also, by a thousand fold or even a million fold, many Americans who have fought and died with dignity, honor, and moral character and many who even aided their adversaries after the battle was over. Basically, for every war crime, there are a million stories of humanitys triumph over the evils af war! The greatest enemy of all, though, is the enemy of deception! It usually comes in the form of a charasmatic leader and the powers that be around him. History warned all of our leaders and some intelligently reacted. Some reacted like animals! Damn, I think this beer is bad!
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originally I started this thread with the idea that the Fiancee says stuff that ocasionally sounds a bit off the wall to me and how it's interesting to hear "the other sides'" perspective. The war is over, wayyyy over, and now all sides can enjoy the peace that we have now. And my oh my it is a *wonderful* peace!!
I finished my original thread with a comment that I regularly PWN A6M's in my F4u-1, but to be honest I am surprised no "DA ME NOW BEEEYOTCH! I WILL SHOW YOU A REAL A6M PILOT THAT PWNS YOUR F4U ARSE CO ALT CO E" have surfaced.
:aok
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cruel and arrogant? but...but... they are gentle paper folders and flower arrangers and they bow and all....
They simply have a different outlook on how to treat pow's and conquered peoples is all.... a subtle difference.
I'm sure that they have learned their lesson and their entire beings are changed now.... history could never repeat itself.
Even rolex would have to admit that their attitude... arrogance... changes with their economy tho.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by SkyRock
I sure as hell hope we have more dignity and moral substance than to follow the rules of our enemies.
I believe another way to state your point is, don't stoop to their level. While I agree that would be ideal, it is an unfortunate lesson of history that unless you truly, completely, utterly defeat your enemy, there will be no peace. Your enemy dictates what he considers defeat by how he conducts his own campaigns. The only way he then knows he is defeated is when you show him you can essentially one-up him whenever you like.
That is how armies keep the peace. You intimidate your enemies into never attacking you. They know that whatever they break of yours, you can return back on them manyfold. When it becomes clear you are unable, or in the case of the modern day US, unwilling to take that step, you have ceased to intimidate. Then any lamo crook, thug or dictator anywhere can do whatever they want knowing they will either get away with it entirely, or the response will be so weak as to be meaningless.
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SOA.... If you have "friends" that are colored and call each other a name but you are not allowed to do the same...
They are not your friends. They should either let you be a part of that or not do it around you... that simple. Yours or their skin color should not give you or them special rights.
I avoid most colored people when I can because of this. I am polite but.. they are more trouble than they are worth and I don't like being played... It appears that you are being played.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
SOA.... If you have "friends" that are colored and call each other a name but you are not allowed to do the same...
They are not your friends. They should either let you be a part of that or not do it around you... that simple. Yours or their skin color should not give you or them special rights.
I avoid most colored people when I can because of this. I am polite but.. they are more trouble than they are worth and I don't like being played... It appears that you are being played.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
wow
you are truly a sad person...
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Originally posted by lazs2
SOA.... If you have "friends" that are colored and call each other a name but you are not allowed to do the same...
They are not your friends. They should either let you be a part of that or not do it around you... that simple. Yours or their skin color should not give you or them special rights.
I avoid most colored people when I can because of this. I am polite but.. they are more trouble than they are worth and I don't like being played... It appears that you are being played.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
You missed the point too. Oh I might get away with it, depending on the context of how it came out.
The point is I WOULDNT, because its disrespectful.
And because I might get some teeth rearranged.
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Originally posted by Bombardy
originally I started this thread with the idea that the Fiancee says stuff that ocasionally sounds a bit off the wall to me and how it's interesting to hear "the other sides'" perspective. The war is over, wayyyy over, and now all sides can enjoy the peace that we have now. And my oh my it is a *wonderful* peace!!
Amazing how that works, isnt it?
I finished my original thread with a comment that I regularly PWN A6M's in my F4u-1, but to be honest I am surprised no "DA ME NOW BEEEYOTCH! I WILL SHOW YOU A REAL A6M PILOT THAT PWNS YOUR F4U ARSE CO ALT CO E" have surfaced.
Good luck with that. :)
:aok
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Originally posted by Krusty
SoA2, you've made a good post there, and have a good point. I, however, tend to believe that the word itself is not a slur. I believe words can be turned INTO slurs, by the invection and the way they are said/spat out of the mouth. You can say the word "Friend" with growl and it instantly becomes clear it means enemy. That doesn't make the word "friend" a slur. Far from it.
I don't disagree with what you've typed SOA, but I still believe it's more the use and not the word.
I agree with both of you. My wife is from Tokyo and she uses the word Jap in everyday conversation with me as she watches Japanese news, etc. I sometimes use it in conversation ONLY with her for the reasons SOA gave.
Bombardy,
Good luck! I love Japanese women, especially if they haven't been too westernized.;)
DJ229 AIR MAFIA
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SOA... no... I believe I got your point. You did not get mine. the fact that your "friends" would use a word around you that they would be offended if you used... is.... disrespectful of you... they truely are not your friends if that is how they feel.
If they don't want to hear the word out of you then they should not use it around you.
navajo.... I have no idea what you mean... If you mean that my believing that skin color should not be considered makes me a "sad" person then it is you who are "sad" in my opinion.
I know colored people.. they are aquaintences. You were talking about friends tho... and entirely different thing in my opinion.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Did the United States of America need to drop the bombs? Well that is a question that no one person can truly answer. Our government did what it felt it needed to do at the time. Its just that simple.
No need to argue over that point what so ever. We all have different views on that subjet. Personally I dont believe we needed to drop two. I would of been satisfied with one. But of course I was not around at the time. And I am quite sure two seemed to be the perfect number for the people who made the decision.
Japans actions during the war were also something that they decided that they needed to do. I hold no grudge against Japan for their governments decisions. And I hold no grudge against the soldiers who fought for their country and even their citizens for supporting their country during what I am quite sure they considered a time of need.
War simply put is Hell, Nothing more nothing less. Every country at one point or another has done something in the time of war that they should not be proud of. But I do not think for a single moment, That any country should feel shame or be forced to change the way they think or are taught just because another country decides. "Well thats not the way it happened"
Just because some people may quote something in a book. Or our governments decide to tell us what happened. Doesnt mean that it is really how it happened. The best that any of can do is to attempt to view history from many different teachings.
And in my opinion Bombardy has a exelent chance of finding out a little more of the war than most of the rest of us do. His wife. from what I understand seems to be at least slightly versed in What happened in WWII from the Japanese side of the Coin. Perhaps with her input and his own knowledge he can piece together a little more of at least what some of the actual events were. Or atleast a Fine Start
And yes, Every country does have racism... Normally from the ignorant uneducated fools of the world. It is much easier to just pass off not understanding someone or someones culture by not even aknowledging them with respect of any sort. It always seems to so much easier to insult someone or dismiss them, than to sit down and try to learn who that person is. But sadly we will always have idiots like this. Once again it is as simple as that. One day, Maybe in the future when we have more important things on our minds. When something truly horrible happens that forces the World to actually learn to work together that we will finally put this behind us. But I truly doubt that shall ever happen.
Thank you for your time.
And Bombardy. Im quite interested in hearing your next question. At least for America's Involvment for the war against Japan. Im willing to bet it was us. But I would love to hear why she thinks that.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
thats funny, and it was my second choice as words used to describe them.I guess somebody has too love them, it's just not me.Rolex i never cared what you thought before and i sure don't now.As far as i am concerned you can kick it with them all you want too, hell might as well throw in Barberella and drive a Honda and think thats it's koe-sha
"Them"..... When did you reach handsomehunk Level IV?
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He is rarely gifted isnt he?
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Racially gifted, if you ask me.
I can smell the white superiority just oozing from his pores. Too bad my yellow chink-ass just can't match the inherently gifted likes of him.
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Seriously, it isn't worth getting worked up over Autotroll. He's demonstrated his lack of worth or wisdom many times over. Just ignore him. Maybe he will go away.
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Originally posted by lazs2
SOA... no... I believe I got your point. You did not get mine. the fact that your "friends" would use a word around you that they would be offended if you used... is.... disrespectful of you... they truely are not your friends if that is how they feel.
If they don't want to hear the word out of you then they should not use it around you.
navajo.... I have no idea what you mean... If you mean that my believing that skin color should not be considered makes me a "sad" person then it is you who are "sad" in my opinion.
I know colored people.. they are aquaintences. You were talking about friends tho... and entirely different thing in my opinion.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
laz
so why am i sad when i called you sad first?
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Originally posted by lazs2
SOA... no... I believe I got your point. You did not get mine. the fact that your "friends" would use a word around you that they would be offended if you used... is.... disrespectful of you... they truely are not your friends if that is how they feel.
If they don't want to hear the word out of you then they should not use it around you.
navajo.... I have no idea what you mean... If you mean that my believing that skin color should not be considered makes me a "sad" person then it is you who are "sad" in my opinion.
I know colored people.. they are aquaintences. You were talking about friends tho... and entirely different thing in my opinion.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
:huh :O
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what kind of friends do you guys have that you have to walk on eggs around em?
Do you get that silly little red faced, embarassed look and stare at your shoes when they use the n word in front of you? Do you enjoy being humiliated?
I don't need that kind of friends.
I have mexican friends.... I have a mexican girlfriend.... we say whatever words we want to each other and no one is excluded because of their skin color.
perhaps your friends are not as enlightened as mexicans? Maybe..... they aren't really your friends?
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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I think alot of it has to do with social programming. Blacks are programmed to be sensitive to it coming from any source other than within their own ranks. Probably in most cases with good reason. Most Mexicans, in my experience, really dont give a rat's arse what anyone thinks of them (except the young punks). Maybe thats why I found Mexico so relaxing. At any rate, while I understand the point you are making Lazs, I dont "walk on eggshells" around anyone. I just understand that using that one little word is a no-no, and quite frankly would be no matter what crowd I was in, whether there were black folks present or not. For my part, I think its disrespectful and I wont use it. Perhaps I could, and my friends wouldnt mind, but I'm not going to test the theory. Its not like they ever came out and said "dont do that or we'll kick your prettythang".
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SOF... believe what you want. I personaly will not be around "sensitive" people.... it allways causes problems.... I won't listen to their whines or learn top accomadate their poor little sensitive ego's. I don't expect them to accomadate me...
I don't expect special treatment in the workplace or social places and I don't give it out. I don't want to hang out with or work with anyone regardless of color who is a whiner.
mexicans.... and indeed... white immigrants have been treated every bit as badly and had words worse than the "n" word used on em in the past.
Mexicans realize that the only way to take the venom out is to not act so friggin little girlish about it. You don't want to be treated differently? then don't ask everyone to treat you differently. I am fed up with that PC crap.
Long as we have "equality" and "free speech" that entails one group being able to say a word or have special privliges and not another.... based on, of all things... skin color.... we will have a problem.
They want me to treat em differently because of their sking color?
I can do that. I will treat em like spoiled little babies and I will avoid being around such losers. You are welcome to put up with it.
Again... what do you do when they use the forbidden word around you? do you get all red and stare at your shoes? Give that scared moron grin?
When they say it next... try telling em that the word offends you and to not use it around you. I have done it a couple of times. Try it. You will see just how you "friends" believe that they are special compared to you.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
SOF... believe what you want. I personaly will not be around "sensitive" people.... it allways causes problems.... I won't listen to their whines or learn top accomadate their poor little sensitive ego's. I don't expect them to accomadate me...
I don't expect special treatment in the workplace or social places and I don't give it out. I don't want to hang out with or work with anyone regardless of color who is a whiner.
mexicans.... and indeed... white immigrants have been treated every bit as badly and had words worse than the "n" word used on em in the past.
Mexicans realize that the only way to take the venom out is to not act so friggin little girlish about it. You don't want to be treated differently? then don't ask everyone to treat you differently. I am fed up with that PC crap.
Long as we have "equality" and "free speech" that entails one group being able to say a word or have special privliges and not another.... based on, of all things... skin color.... we will have a problem.
They want me to treat em differently because of their sking color?
I can do that. I will treat em like spoiled little babies and I will avoid being around such losers. You are welcome to put up with it.
Again... what do you do when they use the forbidden word around you? do you get all red and stare at your shoes? Give that scared moron grin?
When they say it next... try telling em that the word offends you and to not use it around you. I have done it a couple of times. Try it. You will see just how you "friends" believe that they are special compared to you.
lazs
Laz, you got the hate! You obviously don't have black friends or you would know that many blacks avoid using the N-word like it was the cancer! They understand that to get respect you have to give respect, they work hard and pay their taxes, they defend their country, they teach their kids to behave, they show respect to their neihbors, etc. Now if you want to go into the bowels of society and judge a race from the people you meet there, then all races have a portion of their own that don't deserve to be called humans. I would suspect that you get a certain attitude from the blacks you hang around with because your hate cannot be masked by hypocritical politeness! Maybe its that you don't associate with educated people of different races, who knows, but to come on to this public forum and spew your crock 'o hate about people of color, shows that you are not far from those you try to degrade here! :aok
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skyrock... nice lecture...
course it has nothing to do with what was being said. I told you that I judge people on how they act.
More of a mlk kinda thing ya know? It was SOF that said it was ok for his "friends" to use some words but not him. Is that what you are defending?
If I can't have a conversation with someone that includes free speech and not a bunch of whining based on what happened centuries ago to people they never even knew....
Then I will just avoid such losers. raising a family and having a job is no end all either... there were serial killers who raised a family and had a job... Don't want to be around them either.
I am sure that I would get along fine with your friends... so long as everything was equal and they didn't try to peddle some guilt trash or affirmative action or PC crap on me.... We would get along fine.
I am afraid tho that the liberals have succeded in making most of the race dependant whiners tho... even the best... I know a fireman who is colored and a great guy... but even him.... he is allways hyper alert for some imagined slight... he is the first to bring up race in any training or conversation.
I would just as soon avoid him because of it.
This may seem cold to you but.... I am not interested in colored peoples percieved mistreatment. I haven't got time.... I am interested in blocking any new programs or taxes that go to contiueing the inequity of treating one race differently than another.
In short... if you play the race card on me I get disgusted and walk away.
lazs
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<---Agree with Lazs 100%. :p
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Originally posted by lazs2
skyrock... nice lecture...
course it has nothing to do with what was being said. I told you that I judge people on how they act.
More of a mlk kinda thing ya know? It was SOF that said it was ok for his "friends" to use some words but not him. Is that what you are defending?
If I can't have a conversation with someone that includes free speech and not a bunch of whining based on what happened centuries ago to people they never even knew....
Then I will just avoid such losers. raising a family and having a job is no end all either... there were serial killers who raised a family and had a job... Don't want to be around them either.
I am sure that I would get along fine with your friends... so long as everything was equal and they didn't try to peddle some guilt trash or affirmative action or PC crap on me.... We would get along fine.
I am afraid tho that the liberals have succeded in making most of the race dependant whiners tho... even the best... I know a fireman who is colored and a great guy... but even him.... he is allways hyper alert for some imagined slight... he is the first to bring up race in any training or conversation.
I would just as soon avoid him because of it.
This may seem cold to you but.... I am not interested in colored peoples percieved mistreatment. I haven't got time.... I am interested in blocking any new programs or taxes that go to contiueing the inequity of treating one race differently than another.
In short... if you play the race card on me I get disgusted and walk away.
lazs
I think this needs to be locked or sent to lazs political page! You know the O'club! :aok
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Squadies more than not, think alike. What lazs said.
It's all such a burden being PC. I'm much too busy going about life to care about that.
Callin it like you see them is enlightening. Just tends to be a little too honest for alot to digest.
An unburdened poop.
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Had an Uncle who survived,,,,until his death a year ago,,,,would not deal with ANY Japaneese(asians),,,he would literally cross the street if he saw one coming toward him on the same sidewalk
Mulligan
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As an American caucasian living in asia (by choice), let me offer a couple of observations:
As a 90 y/o Chinese woman told me 10 years ago on a train out of Beijing: All people are the same; only the governments are different.
All people want the same thing: an opportunity for a decent life with a good standard of living. Government breeds corruption.
Secondly, too much freedom is not necessarily a good thing, especially when the people who have it lack self-discipline, ethics, consideration for others, and a sense of responsibility for their own actions.
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Originally posted by Docc
and a sense of responsibility for their own actions.
:aok PC does not equate to that statement. PC is a reach around.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
I read an article on POW's in PTO , in which one of them went back to japan to confront his captors.Upon his visit he went too Hiroshima and found that school children in Japan must go to that place so that they are reminded of america's war crimes.I don't know if it was all true but that sounds twisted, them thinkin that the USA droppin the bomb on them is a war crime.
This is not intended to the hijack this thread...
I have been to Hiroshima several times and Nagasaki as well but I have never seen a document decribing that as a war crime, let alone an American one. Of course, there will be children there, learning about the past about ourselves, just like any other noted for its history. Nobody is forcing our kids to go there. Every school district in Japan has the freedom to decide where the students go on an excursion.
Think about it, if we are to go back to being an absolute monarchy and resort to our imperialist ways of the past, we would make our kids go visit our emperor. That would be our priority, and not labeling USA as a war criminal.
Autopilot, I think you should come visit us one day. And see for yourself what Japan has to offer you. It will probably do you good. I think Bombardy and his fiancee would agree...
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Just for the record I'm not arguing against what Lazs said, because there's nothing wrong with it. He may be a little less tolerant than me of other people's quirks (in this case anyway), but that doenst make him wrong. It just means he doesnt want to be bothered with wading through someone else's emotional BS. Cant say I blame him either. I'm the same way in alot of respects.
Its just that I am not a person who makes friends easily. Not close friends, the kind that I feel comfortable having at my house or would loan my stuff to, etc. 2 of them happen to be black, and yeah they toss the N bomb around like its nothing. I just ignore it. I've had plenty of opportunity to find out what kind of friends they are, and they've never let me down when I needed them. More than I can say for alot of others. I'm willing to overlook some annoying character flaws, they certainly do for me.
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Skyrock,
Your posts make me believe that you know almost nothing of Japanese behavior in WW2. And that you prefer it that way because it makes your opinion and attitude easier to maintain.
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SOF... I am not a guy who makes friends easily... I have a lot of aquaintences. Friends do not get offended by what friends say nor do they try to lay guilt trips on each other.
People have enough genuine problems without adding some artificial guilt trip PC junk into the mix.
I like the mexicans I am around for the most part... the liberals are doing their level best to make mexicans dependent on them tho... Soon.. we will have a whole generation of people of mexicans decent who are a bunch of crybabies and whiners.
I have never found the asians to be whiners... they were allways smart enough to realize that to fit in.... you can't be a sensitive little wussy.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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i heard lazs is so rugged and manly thateven chuck norris can't help but find him insanely attractive!
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everyone finds me attractive. I feel bad that I bring out hidden homo urges in otherwise manly men. I try to ignore it so as to not make it worse for them.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by Pongo
Skyrock,
Your posts make me believe that you know almost nothing of Japanese behavior in WW2. And that you prefer it that way because it makes your opinion and attitude easier to maintain.
Is that what you think? I know exactly what the Japanese did in WWII. Would like to question me on any battle/incident that you may think I am not aware of? Next time post a quote and relate your comment directly to what you are referring! :aok
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Originally posted by lazs2
... I am not a guy who makes friends easily...
Usually most people avoid befriending complete morons, but then again it's probably those liberals that made you that way! :rofl
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uh oh... I got poor little skyrock all angry with me. I'm in big trouble now...
Better brush up on my fourth grade retorts if I want to compete on an even keel.
naaaa... think I will take the high ground here. If you have a point... I will debate it. otherwise.. go ahead and stalk.
If there is something I say that you disagree with... go ahead and explain what it is and why and I will be glad to discuss it with you.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
.....poor little skyrock....
Better brush up on my fourth grade retorts
Sounds like you are taking the high ground!:rolleyes:
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Help for you (http://www.theblueknights.com/rolleyes.html)
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Funny stuff, Nopoop! :aok