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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: MrCoffee on July 18, 2006, 02:12:55 AM
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Lebanon has no oil? Or wmd, neither does iraq but thats besides the point.
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Heres my take on the situation.
Hezbollah has been attacking Israel. Israel attacks Lebanon in an effort to punish them for not supressing Hezbollah. Hezbollah, with help from Iran, attacks an Israeli ship with a missle. The U.S. is backing Israel, in hopes that Israel with its brand new F-16Is (what a coincidence) will strike Irans nuclear facilities. But Israel can't locate alot of Irans nuclear facilities.
I would be willing to bet that the U.S. has special forces in Iran right now, trying to locate those nuclear facilities. We might see some U.S. bunker busting bombs loaded on Israels F-16Is here pretty soon.
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Might have few wrinkles in it, but not bad plan.
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I support aQuaShriMps vision :cool:
Iran is going to get the treatment :cry
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My wife, who was born, raised and educated in Iran, been to Isreal, Lebanon...has this take...
Asking the Lebanese "army" to take up arms against hesbulshizzle, is like asking the US Marines (a federal force) to move on the Ca National guard (a local force) to the folks in that area....
Could you imagine a foreign govt insisting Americans take up arms against each other?
Keep in mind here in the US separation of church & state is supposed to occur, but in the mid east the two are married. Some of us vote for 1 party, they vote for who represents their beliefs... lots of them believe Israel is evil, they did live under Israeli occupation, we didn't.
Hezbollah, to the average Lebanese, is relative to a radical wing of the republican / democratic party, they have about 20 duly elected members of the Parliament that influence official policies and Hezbollah spends a lot of $$ in the poor areas building schools / feeding people. A tactic to recruit members, create loyalty for sure, but not unlike what our own politicians do with 'pork' and campaign promises.
Also keep in mind, many of the military age men taking up arms with Hezbollah grew up under Israel's "brutal" occupation, all they know is hate fueled by rhetoric of clerics and $$ from Iran / Syria. No strongly worded e-mail from the UN is going to erase a lifetime of hate.
Imagine if your dad/brother was swooped up off the street by Israel, or any occupation army, and detained for 10+ years with no due process, charges, or word on his well being, supposedly a common occurrence when Israel was in charge... You'd grow up pissed too, join with others and even take up arms to defend yourself against it ever happening again. You might even snatch someone to trade for your family member since there's no process in place for justice.
So my wife asks, who are the real terrorists? because the media or govt says "they are terrorists", it's true? when Israel snatches someone, the Arab media reports it as a terrorist action, CNN calls it a terrorist "arrest".
Basically it's ok for our friends to cross borders & kidnap, I mean arrest, people.. but when our non friends do it, its terrorism.
When a whack-o takes out an abortion doctor here in the US, the Arab media reports it as a terrorist attack by radical republicans... My wife thought the Calif Minutemen were an armed terrorist militia killing Mexicans...as reported by the Arab media. We ask why the Lebanese army doesn't disarm Hezbollah, they wonder why the US military doesn't dis-arm the Minutemen or terrorist repubs / dems.
And US gangs to the Arab media; armed terrorist militias who roam the streets, with their "war lord" leaders.. why doesn't the US military move to dis-arm these terrorist groups inside the US?? who every day kill innocent Americans?.. the Arabs don't understand how we can lecture them about disarming militias, when we don't.
Its all about the rhetoric.
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The UN isn't sending strongly worded emails to Hezbollah. They are denouncing Israel though.
All about rhetoric? Not hardly.
It is all about who is the aggressor, and the aggressor ain't Israel.
The gangs here should be taken care of by law enforcement. Our hog tied legal system prevents that.
But the gangs here are not going to Canada or Mexico and blowing up mass transit buses and pizza parlors.
It just ain't all the same, regardless of the excuses made by some.
Understand, I have nothing personal against you or your wife, I'm just not buying the idea that good or evil, right or wrong, is all a matter of perspective and rhetoric.
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Peace, Propaganda, & the Promised Land (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696)
Over an hour long... enjoy. Tracks right along with what x0847Marine had to say.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
Excellent post. I am currently staying in the US and I am constantly amazed at how different the coverage of the palestinian situation is.
Back home we get news coverage showing both sides to be as bad as each other, but it seems like here you would never hear a news story about the israeli army bulldozing palestinian people's houses with them inside, or any of the other atrocities that seem to be a daily fact for people living under israeli rule.
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Very informative 0847 Marine. You gave me a new perspective on it.
Now if I were a political member in Israel, I would try to use Lebanons religious beliefs in my favor. After a particularly brutal series of airstrikes, or a ground invasion, I would broadcast to the Lebanese people a couple of messages
(1) Why isn't your god protecting you?
(2) You have made your god angry by attacking your neighbor (Israel). Now he is punishing you.
Its not enough to just bomb people. One has to break their will and morale.
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Originally posted by Gryffin
Excellent post. I am currently staying in the US and I am constantly amazed at how different the coverage of the palestinian situation is.
Back home we get news coverage showing both sides to be as bad as each other, but it seems like here you would never hear a news story about the israeli army bulldozing palestinian people's houses with them inside, or any of the other atrocities that seem to be a daily fact for people living under israeli rule.
Our, so-called, news is all about ratings. This leads to exploitation and our reporters have had many years to develop thier craft. Unfortunately, too many people actually believe what the reporters say.
I have always detested the one-sided opinionated perspective spin the media has. The way they present thier opinions as fact is another art form they have gotten very good at.
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but it seems like here you would never hear a news story about the israeli army bulldozing palestinian people's houses with them inside, or any of the other atrocities that seem to be a daily fact for people living under israeli rule.
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I dont agree with this, if your talking about the US media, I have always felt the Israelis got unfair and misleading treatment by the mainstream american news media.
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Yeah, it's really all about the rhetoric, the spin and the ratings. Other than that, there is total parity in the middle east. People are people and other than geography, there is no difference.
I pose this question:
If the Middle east was composed of 95% Jews, separated into various nations of varying wealth, and 5% Muslims, all concentrated on one piece of land and effectively surrounded, can anyone imagine the Jews supporting (whether passively or actively) the creation and implementation of suicide bomebers in that one isolated Muslim enclave? Can anyone image the Jews creating 'government parties' that not only promote but also actually carry out random rocket attacks on strategically useless targets, all for the purpose of instilling fear in the enemy that they outnumber 20 to 1.
I seriously doubt it. And yes, I've been to the middle east, spent time there, and spoken with the people. If the Israelis are 'snatching' people off the street, then there is at least a minute chance that those people are threatening the security of their nation. At the very least, there is a minute chance that they are receiving medical attention and having their needs attended to.
But all that aside for a moment. I'd like to look at another aspect of this whole exchange, an aspect that I've mentioned before....
The Israelis improve their land, they invest in their people, they grow their society, they make advancements (anyone hear of Buffet's recent acquisition of an Israeli precision machine tools firm?). The Arabs, for all their rhetoric and whining have done little besides pump oil and sell it in order to build resorts and temples either the religion of their god or to the religion of their indulgence, all the while developing an increasingly inhumane, intolerant social view of the Western World as a whole. The Israelis, given, with our help, have developed a technologically advanced society. They are a benefit to humanity as a whole, and, therefore, are worthy of our monetary and military support. If there is intolerance there, it is because it was bred into them, grown over the course of 3 generations spent under passive as well as active siege, and nourished by a constant sense of impending pain, suffering and annihilation. They are surrounded. I know it is a cliche, but it is a valid one. They are surrounded, they know it, and they continue to hang on. They are merely keeping their enemy at bay, while their enemy grows, developes and carries on an ongoing PR campaign that has somehow turned them into the victim and Israel into the oppressor. If Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, Iran and whoever else decides to toss their hat into this ring constitute a brotherhood of victims, then please explain to me, who is it exactly that outnumbers and surrounds them?
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yeah... that's all well and good but... the noble freedom fighters are not asking that poor innocent people who were kidnapped by the jews (so that they could be fed and housed for 10 years in a jewish prison) be released...
What the are asking for is the release of PLO and hazbo whatevers to be released...
they have in the past (and will this time) ask for the release of the "hero" who killed a jewish policeman and a father, his 4 year old daughter and 2 year old son. This is who the jews "kidnap".
Pray tell... why would the jews kidnap innocent women and children and hold them? for what purpose?
lazs
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
The UN isn't sending strongly worded emails to Hezbollah. They are denouncing Israel though.
All about rhetoric? Not hardly.
It is all about who is the aggressor, and the aggressor ain't Israel.
The gangs here should be taken care of by law enforcement. Our hog tied legal system prevents that.
But the gangs here are not going to Canada or Mexico and blowing up mass transit buses and pizza parlors.
It just ain't all the same, regardless of the excuses made by some.
Understand, I have nothing personal against you or your wife, I'm just not buying the idea that good or evil, right or wrong, is all a matter of perspective and rhetoric.
Really?, so the US born terrorist group knows as "Mara Salvatrucha ", aka MS13, are not blowing things up in Mexico? or El Salvador? or here in the US?
They have be-headed mexican cops, leaving thier heads in the center of town, kidnapped politicians, left dismembered bodies as post it notes, and recently not too far from the US border rolled into Ensanada 40 strong armed to the teeth taking captives and killing a cop.
Mara Salvatrucha is a us born terrorist group to the arab media, we call them a street gang. Who is more accurate?
My wife has an Arab centric local perspective we don't, and cant relate with. It's all the same.
I don't know what its like to grow up hearing every day on the news terrorist militias inside, and outside, the US operate with near impunity while US politicians create laws to oppress / incarcerate Americans, flap lips, take millions in donations, live the cushy pampered "Saddam lifestyle" while Americans go homeless, get laid off and starve.
Yet American politicians do almost nothing to fix anything beside bicker about which party has the better idea. Yet they have time to lecture Arab countries about how they should dis-arm militias and be more like us. Of course they laugh.
The idea we as western media informed Americans know better than the ones who live there, is looked at as a giant farce. Just like we think thier views about us are laughable... the Minutemen an "armed terrorist militia"?? pleeeese, a bunch of fat guys in SUVs armed with beer driving in circles at the border?? hardly a cause to roll out the Marines. Yet before my wife got here, they were an armed militia killing mexicans, and the US Govt did nothing about it... but lecture Lebanon about dis-arming thier border guarding militia.
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soooo.... Mara Salvatrucha is sending rockets into the civilian population of mexico from somewhere in the U.S.?
It is operating with and protected by the U.S. government and citizens?
They aint my buddies how bout you? I would love to see em arrested if they broke any U.S. laws. I doubt if they are even U.S. citizens for the most part are they?
So your example is totaly false.
Try again.
lazs
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comparing our street gangs to the hezboobs?
no stretch there ..:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
but lecture Lebanon about dis-arming thier border guarding militia.
People guard borders by firing katyushas into strategically-valueless, civilian-populated areas? It must be my lack of Arab-centric perspective that isn't permitting me to see the inherent logic and reason behind such a defensive tactic.
Good thing the IDF isn't quite so Arab-centric. If they were, we'd have pre-emptive nuclear strikes in downtown Beirut to ensure the survival of Israeli soverienty.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Very informative 0847 Marine. You gave me a new perspective on it.
Now if I were a political member in Israel, I would try to use Lebanons religious beliefs in my favor. After a particularly brutal series of airstrikes, or a ground invasion, I would broadcast to the Lebanese people a couple of messages
(1) Why isn't your god protecting you?
(2) You have made your god angry by attacking your neighbor (Israel). Now he is punishing you.
Its not enough to just bomb people. One has to break their will and morale.
At first my wife and I argued over this, I don't not agree with her on many issues.
She grew up watching bloody, horrific and graphic video of the israeli army bulldozing homes with people inside, bloody kids, dead infants, and the aftermath of an air strike by a US made plane with a US trained pilot using US bombs.
When is the last time your 10 year old saw a bloody suffering carcass on TV with the caption "More israeli terrorist acts backed by USA" emblazoned across the screen? No 10 year old American kid will ever see that. 10 year old Iranians see it daily.
The Arab media is very good at using shocking video to make its point. My wife vividly remembers, as a kid, watching horrible footage of the "evil acts" done by Israel, and how it's OK to bulldoze a family since they are Americas little brother.
Nobody can erase a lifetime of media conditioning with any quick fix, my wife still thinks Isreal is just as evil as any terrorist group... and based on where she grew up, I cant say I blame her.
For the record my wife says there will never be peace in that area, all sides share the blame for decades of 'bad blood'.
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Originally posted by Yeager
I dont agree with this, if your talking about the US media, I have always felt the Israelis got unfair and misleading treatment by the mainstream american news media.
You don't want to hear about the conflict from the australian media then!
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When is the last time your 10 year old saw a bloody suffering carcass on TV
Me. I was 10 years old (born 1983) and distinctly remember seeing footage of Muslims dragging dead U.S. soldiers through the streets of Mogadishu.
As I was watching this, I remember my dad saying "Were over there trying to feed them, and this is how they repay us". I was confused at the time, I wasn't sure if the soldiers were alive or dead being dragged through the streets.
The difference though is I can be objective about the situation (now), because I have education.
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Originally posted by Gryffin
You don't want to hear about the conflict from the australian media then!
I sure would!
I'd like to hear any convincing arguement that paints the Israelis as the oppressors of the poor, gentle, noble Arabs. And what a story it must be, a nation of 6 1/4 million keeping a boot on a people over a quarter billion strong.
Of course, we shouldn't be surprised. It's long been known that the Zionist conspiracy to undermine and subjugate the world has been brewing for at least 5 millenia.
Now that we've turned our vigilant backs, they've gone and overrun Europe and North America.
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Originally posted by Neubob
I sure would!
I'd like to hear any convincing arguement that paints the Israelis as the oppressors of the poor, gentle, noble Arabs. And what a story it must be, a nation of 6 1/4 million keeping a boot on a people over a quarter billion strong.
LOL!
For a start, there aren't a quarter of a billion people in the west bank, gaza and east jerusalem. The israelis have the numerical and military advantage over the palestinians.
Secondly you have (probably intentionally) misunderstood me. Both sides are portrayed as being as bad as each other. When the palestinian side does something bad, sets off a bomb somewhere, or fires rockets into israel, whatever, it gets reported.
It's just that we also hear about what the israeli military does to the palestinians in the occupied areas. And it doesn't look good when we hear about a military force attacking a civilian population. I saw an interview a few years ago with a palestinian woman whose elderly father was shot because he had been told to leave his house by israeli soldiers, and he was too slow. When do you see interviews with palestinian civilians in the american media?
Honestly I think it will be generations before peace will be possible in the region. Neither side can forgive the other after the events of the last decade or so since the violence started.
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Originally posted by Gryffin
(probably intentionally)
You're probably right.
I must apologize if I responded caustically. Listening to and seeing this crap on the radio, TV and internet all day long, not to mention dealing with my life as a whole, tends to wear my treads down a little.
My mention of the quarter billion, however, was intentional. I see this as a Pan Arab/Israeli issue, and while some bring up only Palestine, I tend to go back to the more global problem of nation versus nation, ideology versus ideology, ethnicity versus ethnicity.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
.. TV with the caption "More israeli terrorist acts backed by USA" emblazoned across the screen? .... 10 year old Iranians see it daily..
sounds like they are brainwashed well ...
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Originally posted by Eagler
sounds like they are brainwashed well ...
You make it sound as if propaganda does not exist anywhere but the mid-east.
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Originally posted by Sandman
You make it sound as if propaganda does not exist anywhere but the mid-east.
I didn't say that but ignorance and US hatred brainwashin are alive and well in the ME .. do you not agree?
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Just as ignorance and arab hatred brainwashin is alive and well here in the US.
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Hey gryff, its really not that hard to do. I mean with the tard net we are all just one big media family!
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/
http://www.news.com.au/
http://www.thewest.com.au/
http://www.abc.net.au/news/
Looks to me like you guys get the same media crap as everyone else :rolleyes:
Its all a matter of what you want to believe.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Just as ignorance and arab hatred brainwashin is alive and well here in the US.
so you are saying the average teen/young adult in the US is running around with the same level of hatred for the arabs/muslims as the average teen/young adult in the ME has towards the US?
I say BS .. and I know you know it's BS
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Originally posted by Sandman
Just as ignorance and arab hatred brainwashin is alive and well here in the US.
Yeah, no kidding....
Just this week alone I attended at least a dozen flag burnings of flags belonging to Arab nations. I personally burned a few of their leaders in effigy. Oh yeah, and I forgot, I chant 'God is Great' every time I see one of them scraped off a sidewalk.
I remember seeing shots of Hoboken NY right after 9/11. A lot of smiling, pleased faces when the news of the collapses came, partying in the streets. Not so many shots of crying, weeping, Arabs in the middle east, distraught that so many of their fellow humans had perished.
We're less brainwashed here simply by virtue of the mixing. And maybe brainwashing isn't the right term. Personally, I think they're convinced in their rightouseness, and yes, even in that sense, they've got us beat. There are more Arabs living here, in DC, than there are in many Middle eastern cities. I don't need to watch them on TV or read about them in the papers. If there's anything that promotes suspicion, fear and, yes, hatred, it's watching them live.
I sometimes think that their biggest advantage over us is that they've embraced and legitimized their dislike of the West. While they've made up their minds, we're still wallowing in our politically-correct guilt, unable to decide between standing up and doing something or lowering our collective pants to the floor. We can't force ourselves to think of them as then enemy, and yet, at the end of the day, they know where they stand on the issue of Western civilization. We're too busy trying to save everyone from their own ideology to smell that they're shoveling at us. Their resolve makes our nuclear arsenal limp.
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Meanwhile, the "Israel as a victim" PR campaign has been a bright shining success.
Think what you want. I could give a **** if Israel disappeared tomorrow. It's just one more pissant little country on my government's teet.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Think what you want. I could give a **** if Israel disappeared tomorrow. It's just one more pissant little country on my government's teet.
as soon as that happened, we'd have 100% of their hatred aimed at us
or do you think they'd love us once Israel was pushed into the sea? Even if we just stood by and let that happened, we'd be next ... it would probably fuel their hatred if anything ..
but your above statement does show whose side you are on .. thx for clearing that up
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Oh I get it... Israel is the hate sponge.
:aok
I know exactly which side I'm on... mine.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Meanwhile, the "Israel as a victim" PR campaign has been a bright shining success.
Think what you want. I could give a **** if Israel disappeared tomorrow. It's just one more pissant little country on my government's teet.
I wouldn't call them pissants, but, then again, I've actually been there, seen it for myself. And as far as being on your government's teet--well, so are a lot of people, including many of the people living right alongside you, carrying American passports, and doing a whole lot of nothnig to better the world. Of course, you feel for your downtrodden countrymen, and you become blind to the fact that as parasites go, they could teach the Israelis, and the world, a thing or two about the art of leeching. Funny, I haven't seen you use words as strong as these in reference to those people. The only difference is proximity.
Israel is one of the US's better investments, which isn't saying much, since we've invested a whole lot in nations that will never support themselves, much less build advanced societies out of a desert wasteland. Nevertheless, they've made themselves into a focal point for technological and medical development, and they've done it with our help. Something to be proud of, I'd think. They're also, wait, wait, an actual ally--something that's not all that easy to come by these days, as many of the nations at whom we've tossed money continue to quietly, or not so quietly, hate us.
Being indifferent, or, as in your case, contemptuously indifferent in regards to their ongoing existence is exactly the sort of the attitude that will play a key role when it comes to deciding who survives this thing. The world would be worse off without Israel--at least for us it would be. I'm sure a billion Muslims will disgaree with me there.
And I wouldn't call Israel a victim, either. Victims are defenseless. Israel is anything but. It would just be nice if the world acknowledged that the Arabs aren't either.
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Originally posted by Eagler
so you are saying the average teen/young adult in the US is running around with the same level of hatred for the arabs/muslims as the average teen/young adult in the ME has towards the US?
I say BS .. and I know you know it's BS
Average american teen never got bomed.Their main concern is cristal meth(for the moment)
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Originally posted by KgB
Average american teen never got bomed.Their main concern is cristal meth(for the moment)
And you know their main concern how?
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he is talking smack out his poop vent, pay no matter.
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Originally posted by KgB
Average american teen never got bomed.Their main concern is cristal meth(for the moment)
:rofl putz
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Originally posted by Maverick
And you know their main concern how?
Stats my friend,teens in US use meth more then weed,cocaine and heroine combined together .
btw Why don't you focus on first sentence of my post.
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Originally posted by RedTop
:rofl putz
Congratulations.
Your favorite president has made more enemies and spend more money then all presidents before him combined together
(again,sorry)
Idiocity must be very comon in your neighborhood.
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* Hezbollah is a political party in Lebanon. Their main platform: Kill the Jews.
* That may seem like a horrible platform, but at least they're for something... unlike the Democrats.
* Translated from Arabic, Hezbollah means either "Goat-Enthusiast" or "Goat-Lover" considering the scholar you ask.
* Either way, they have sex with goats. That's pretty much their whole
day: plotting to kill Jews and hot, steamy goat sex.
* Hezbollah is considered a terrorist organization by Israel and the U.S., while the E.U. consider Hezbollah "delightfully eccentric".
* Come on; if you were going to list every organization that wants to kill Jews as terrorists, then that going to be a pretty big list and I know I ain't keeping it updated.
* Hezbollah, like many nations in the Middle East, doesn't recognize Israel due to, I guess, far-sightedness that infects many of the region. I mean, they recognize the U.S. and we're a couple continents away.
* Many suspect that Syria and Iran support Hezbollah in their terrorist attacks. Those Syrians and Iranians - they're almost as meddlesome as the Jews!
* Members of Hezbollah tend to be Islamic. Have you noticed that so many terrorists these days are Muslims? Terrorism really is one area that could use more religious diversity.
* Hezbollah is situated in southern Lebanon at the border with Israel. If they hate Jews so much, you'd think they wouldn't live so close.
* Hey, maybe their attacks on Israel are just Hezbollah's immature way of showing they have a crush.
* Not that Israel shouldn't slaughter the lot of them; I'm just suggesting another way of looking at all this.
* If you think you see a member of Hezbollah, contact your nearest shotgun.
* If you are surrounded by Hezbollians, just remember that they are more scared of Jew than Jew are of them.
* The diet of the Hezbollians consists of ham and bacon. If you need to feed someone from Hezbollah, give him lots of ham and bacon.
* No! Still more ham and bacon! Don’t listen to him when he says, “No more!” That’s just him trying to be polite.
* The main weakness of Hezbollah is a deadly allergy to air-to-land missiles.
* Hezbollah, much like the fresh-water carp, does not have a long history of genius and invention.
* In a fight between Aquaman and Hezbollah, Hezbollah would point their guns at Aquaman and Aquaman would just laugh and pull out his sword and cut the heads off some of them. Then he'd start gasping because the current Aquaman can't stay out of water very long. So he'd head back to the water, and you'd think he'd call sharks to attack Hezbollah, but I haven't seen that this Aquaman even knows how to talk to fish. So he'd just wait in the water for Hezbollah to follow so he could cut them with his sword... but he could be waiting a while.
* The U.S. Department of State accuses Hezbollah of killing up to 300 American citizens, but Hezbollah denies this. What they don't realize is it isn't the murder that makes us so angry, it's that they just won't admit to it when we know they did it.
* Wait, the murders do make me angry. Kill Hezbollah!
* The terrorist part of Hezbollah is estimated to be several thousand supporters and a few hundred terrorist operatives. That doesn't seem like
a very large group to take on millions of angry Jews.
* Then again, I'm not a murderous Muslim, so how can I judge? Frankly, if I lived in the Middle East, I'd think I'd spend my time making an internet business to sell gullible Americans sand, but that's just me.
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I'm just glad Isreal is not bombing the lebanese christians...because that would completely blow the sterotype of the dead hezbolla loving lebanese muslim everyones clammering for...
Tronsky
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Originally posted by Eagler
so you are saying the average teen/young adult in the US is running around with the same level of hatred for the arabs/muslims as the average teen/young adult in the ME has towards the US?
If you look at this BBS, I'd say yes, very much.
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Originally posted by KgB
Average american teen never got bomed...
the average ME teen has never been bombed either. Pecentage wise.
amazing how some try to make the average US dolt out to be as backwards, ignorant & full of hate as the average ME dolt.
I have nothing against anyone, regardless of religion or race, except when their favorite activity is jumpin around shouting their fav mantra "death to america". Then we have a problem ...
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Originally posted by Saintaw
If you look at this BBS, I'd say yes, very much.
nah, here is just words. no one is being fitted for a bomb belt, maybe a tux or two. I do not think anyone lifes goal here is to jump on a bus full of women and children and blow it up .. and if it is, I'm pretty sure his/her parents and friends would not think that person a hero, a nutbag maybe but no hero ..
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Of course, majority of those are mighty couchwarriors.
"I R FIGHTING TERRORISM WITH A BEER IN MY HAND!!!111B0MBZTHEMALL!!!"
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Ok.. now... lets get some perspective. I listen to national public socialist radio on occassion and all they do is talk about the horror of the jews killing poor innocent rocket launchers... NPR is very far left and allmost allways slants the news to show the terrorists as victims.
I have yet to hear about these horrible jew bulldozing houses with people in em.
Have any of you operated a bulldozer? I have. they are not quite nor are they fast nor can they take down most structures in an instant.
sooooo.... methinks this hand wringing is over an urban myth and that you have been conned.
I can see how terrorists might not want to throw down their weapons and come out to go to prison... I might even be able to see how they might hold their fellows at gunpoint in the house while the dozers come..but...
I can't see civilians of their own free will staying in a home that is being leveled by a dozer.
I call BS.
lazs
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Laz you are probably not familiar with muzlims.In afganistan they were known to lay in front of tank tracks so tanks wouldn't lavel their houses. There were few cases of body pars removal from tracks.
Last thing you wanna do is to go into country with guns blazing and half the fackts......
Oh i'm sorry,too late.
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See Rule #4, #5
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Originally posted by Eagler
See Rule #4, #5
Uh? Some of the US posters on this BBS have worse spelling ang grammar than him. Lead by example first, pls.
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Reynolds (whom I seem to remember is in his fresh teenage years) writes better than 90% of the english language natives here. I blame the red states.
I think this board was created as an experumiment for the mensa lads. They are having a ball.
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Originally posted by Saintaw
If you look at this BBS, I'd say yes, very much.
Of course they are! I was at the mall just a few hours ago. Nothing but teens with table cloths over their faces, holes cut out for the eyes, and mock-up dynamite clusters strapped to their chests. They were burning flags, chanting various slogans in near perfect synchronization and holding an effigy of somebody in a noose. I'd tell you what they were chanting, but I couldn't make it out over the clamour of pre-ban assault rifles being fired into the air en masse.
This BBS is no indication of anything going on in the minds and hearts of America's youth. If anything, the teens in this country are clueless and indifferent to what's happening in the Middle East. It touches them, at the most, for a few minutes per day, which is about 1/100 the time they spend zoning out on their various pop-culture icons and idols. So long as 50 Cent and Christina Aguilera keep putting out albums, so long as their little girlfriends and boyfriends keep returning their text-messeges, so long as their weed supply from Canada and Humbolt doesn't dry up, the bulk of our youth are perfectly happy in their isolated little world.
Before anyone decides to burn me in effigy, I will radily acknowledge that while this may not go for everyone, it is certainly the norm.
On a personal note, I would like to say that even if they weren't indifferent, I seriously doubt they'd be as vehement as their ME counterparts. America's youth has the benefit of a decent quality of life, which eats into their potential hatred quite a bit. Back in 2001, not long after the attacks, I myself was relatively fresh out of my teenage years. I remember hanging out in a bar one night, in Hollywood, and getting wasted amidst a group of Arab-Americans in their early 20s. THere was no throwing of glasses or exchanges of epithets. The gist of our drunken conversation was, basically, 'why do we have to live with this?' Even if we'd inherited a reason to suspect from our parents, we'd never found our own reason to hate each other. We saw each other at that bar, spent time together, maybe even took the first steps to becoming friends, and yet the world didn't end. Why can't those in power, those in positions of authority think and act similarly? I remember, however hazily, leaving that night and thinking that perhaps the succeeding generations would be more like us, less like those preceeding. Now, years later, with my own opinions galvanized towards the negative, I'm wondering what those young Arabs are thinking at this very moment.
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Originally posted by KgB
Stats my friend,teens in US use meth more then weed,cocaine and heroine combined together .
btw Why don't you focus on first sentence of my post.
Your stats are...........where? I don't see the stats you are mentioning. Please provide them and the source. Secondly are you basing any of this on personal observation. If so please provide the location so your observations can be confirmed.
As to the first sentence. I do not see it has any relevence to your claim in the second.
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Originally posted by KgB
Stats my friend,teens in US use meth more then weed,cocaine and heroine combined together .
btw Why don't you focus on first sentence of my post.
While the Russian youth are the image of chastity, abstinence and good judgement. And spare the statistics. I've spent 2 months there in the last year and a half. I'd quicker find good habits in a Vegas brothel than I would on the streets of Moscow, Vladivostok or Petersburg.
BTW, has the average Russian been bombed?
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Originally posted by Neubob
BTW, has the average Russian been bombed?
Should I remind you ww2 sir?
Why is it always
when Israel talks it's true,when arabs it's an automatically a lie?
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Originally posted by KgB
Why is it always
when Israel talks it's true,when arabs it's an automatically a lie?
genetics?
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Originally posted by KgB
Should I remind you ww2 sir?
The average Russian was alive 61 years ago?
My mother, still an infant, grandfather and late grandmother fled east from Moscow in the opening months of thatoffensive. I'd be the last person to forget what the Germans did, but even to those family members of mine that witnessed WWII, the events of today, including 9/11, are more relevant to their lives than what happened back then.
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Given the population statistics of Rusia at the present time, what ratio of living Russians with experiance of being bombed from WW2 is there compared to those who were born after the war? Are those with WW2 experiance more numerous than those without?
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Originally posted by Maverick
Your stats are...........where? I don't see the stats you are mentioning. Please provide them and the source. Secondly are you basing any of this on personal observation. If so please provide the location so your observations can be confirmed.
As to the first sentence. I do not see it has any relevence to your claim in the second.
Kinda difficult to provide the stats using pocket PC,give me time to get home.
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Originally posted by Neubob
The average Russian was alive 61 years ago?
My mother, still an infant, grandfather and late grandmother fled east from Moscow in the opening months of thatoffensive. I'd be the last person to forget what the Germans did, but even to those family members of mine that witnessed WWII, the events of today, including 9/11, are more relevant to their lives than what happened back then.
There were many average teens 61 ago.
Ok,lets compare amount of Russian lifes lost due to ter. atacts and wars to US losses.
Never did I support war in any country.
Iraq is BS,so is current conflict.
But what do we care,after all we will "feel" these war's only at the gas pumps.
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Originally posted by KgB
Congratulations.
Your favorite president has made more enemies and spend more money then all presidents before him combined together
(again,sorry)
Idiocity must be very comon in your neighborhood.
While yours made money selling things illegally to Iraq.
You don't live in my neighborhood....so no...it's not.
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Originally posted by KgB
There were many average teens 61 ago.
Try to understand... With a male life expectancy of barely 60 years, I doubt very highly that the 'average' Russian old enough to remember the Great Patriotic War is alive and lucid today. Yes, you still see some of them pacing up and down the streets every now and then, but the segment of the population they comprise is miniscule. In fact, as I've learned, many of those broken old souls who can pass for 70 or 80 are often 20 years younger. The tragic, lasting effects of that great society
Long story short, the Average teenage Russian living today has been bombed no more or no less than his American counterpart.
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Originally posted by RedTop
While yours made money selling things illegally to Iraq.
You don't live in my neighborhood....so no...it's not.
You don't understand,this is just the beginning.It's not gonna end,ever.Afganis were trained by US,they were given American weapons to fight Russians right?To fight the agressor,well in Iraq US the agressor.
Do you have any prove,that Russians sold wepons illigaly?
20 year old mig's and t74 don't count.
I was referring to Bush.
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Originally posted by Neubob
Long story short, the Average teenage Russian living today has been bombed no more or no less than his American counterpart.
Fine,we were talking about bombing Arabs but somehow it turned to talking Russia.My point was.
When Israel kidnaps people we call it arrest,when arabs do the same it's terrorism.
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Originally posted by KgB
Fine,we were talking about bombing Arabs but somehow it turned to talking Russia.My point was.
When Israel kidnaps people we call it arrest,when arabs do the same it's terrorism.
When was the last time a team of Israelis beheaded a non-combatant arab on camera and circulated the video to the world press?
When was the last time an Arab nation took in an injured(only the detonator went off) Israeli suicide bomber and gave him medical treatment?
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Originally posted by KgB
You don't understand,this is just the beginning.It's not gonna end,ever.Afganis were trained by US,they were given American weapons to fight Russians right?To fight the agressor,well in Iraq US the agressor.
Do you have any prove,that Russians sold wepons illigaly?
20 year old mig's and t74 don't count.
I was referring to Bush.
Hmmm..Seems that there were quite a few stories of Russia selling materials to Iraq before the War in Iraq started. You google it. I don't feel like it nor do I need to. Oh and Russia wasn't alone in this either. Resolutions at the time before the war by the U.N. were being violated by Russia and a few more countries. But , who the frik cares.
I was referring to Bush as well. He11 he has been pres. for working on 8 years. SO what if he spends the money on the military and a war. Frik I don't care. All these bleeding heart Libs. here want the U.S. to just make happy faces and hold hands and "Talk". Talk is over rated IMO. Hit someone in the mouth and don't be suprised when they beat your ***.
The world is all about what each country and get from another today. Then screw em tomorrow.
Israel can kick Hez. *** til the frikin cows come home. I say get after it. Just less work someone else will eventually have to do. You don't mind terrorist running around all over killing and cutting off heads in the name of Islam and Alla then fine. I say "F" em and kill em. Kill em all.
You and your country on the other hand , can deal with them as you see fit. I don't give 2 cents if you kill em indiscrimanatley either.
Just a personal side note. I'm becoming tired of the Media , Network News , Local , National , Papers and all ranting about some proportional response.
I heard today , the Israeli official saying that if Tel Aviv is hit , that doomsday will follow.
We'll see.
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And your right , it will never end. Because for every loony we kill 2 more take their place. Crank up the bullet plants....we're gonna need em. The "War on Terror" is a war for the rest of my life I'd bet.
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Originally posted by KgB
When Israel kidnaps people we call it arrest,when arabs do the same it's terrorism.
because when Israel has to snatch someone who has committed a crime against them, they usually place them in a cell whereas when the arabs grab someone they usually grab anyone which ends with that person losing his/her head - sometimes on video
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Originally posted by KgB
When Israel kidnaps people we call it arrest,when arabs do the same it's terrorism.
That statement is right out of Sandmans video.
It's biased. Good try.