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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AquaShrimp on July 18, 2006, 04:06:04 PM
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(http://www.ausairpower.net/FB-22A-Montage-S.png)
Has a prototype FB-22 been made?
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IIRC they are already in service.
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Originally posted by rpm
IIRC they are already in service.
ehm... you are 31 years early
the FB22 is not reality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FB-22
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/fb-22.htm
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Oops, I was thinking of F-22A's.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
ehm... you are 31 years early
the FB22 is not reality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FB-22
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/fb-22.htm
Seems silly to me. They can predict all they want, and make projections until they're blue in the face, but nobody can say for sure what technologies will become prevalent, which techniques will become favorable and, most of all, which new obstacles and functions will need to be addressed. Making it a manned, jet-powered aircraft that cannot fly beyond the atmosphere illustrates the short-sightedness well.
If they're gonna schedule thingslike this fighter bomber this far in advance, they should go ahead and design a line of 5.56mm small arms for combatting the race of aliens we have yet to meet.
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The bombs look fake.
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i've seen a very similar picture with a B2 dropping those exact same bombs. hmmm...weird.
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Assuming those are at least mk-82s, they look too small in relation to the a/c. Photoshopped.
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F-22a and the FB-22 (if it exists) dont carry regular bombs. They carry special 'small diamater' bombs.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
F-22a and the FB-22 (if it exists) dont carry regular bombs. They carry special 'small diamater' bombs.
After looking again I have to agree that those aren't mk-82s. They are too flat and uniform throughout their length.
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Originally posted by lukster
Assuming those are at least mk-82s, they look too small in relation to the a/c. Photoshopped.
They're also the wrong shape.
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Originally posted by Golfer
i've seen a very similar picture with a B2 dropping those exact same bombs. hmmm...weird.
If it was this one, note the shape of the bombs...
(http://www.danshistory.com/b2weapsb.jpg)
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I'm pretty sure the pic is real. Those look like small diameter 250lb bombs. The F/A22 can carry JDAMs internally as well, even release them at supersonic speeds.
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thats a real pic... look... you can even see chuck norris in the cockpit.
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Guys, that photo is actually a composite image generated by my friend and occasional co-writer, Dr. Carlo Kopp
for his website (http://www.ausairpower.net/)
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I'm pretty sure the pic is real. Those look like small diameter 250lb bombs. The F/A22 can carry JDAMs internally as well, even release them at supersonic speeds.
GBU-39?
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Originally posted by Widewing
Guys, that photo is actually a composite image generated by my friend and occasional co-writer, Dr. Carlo Kopp
for his website (http://www.ausairpower.net/)
My regards,
Widewing
I stand corrected ;)
It's a concept-shop so to speak.
And yes Sandy the 22 is either in development or developed to carry the SDB
(http://www.defense-update.com/images/sdb.jpg)
and I'm pretty sure it can carry at least 2 GBU-31s
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I stand corrected ;)
It's a concept-shop so to speak.
And yes Sandy the 22 is either in development or developed to carry the SDB
(http://www.defense-update.com/images/sdb.jpg)
and I'm pretty sure it can carry at least 2 GBU-31s
Hehe... okay smarty... has an aircraft ever dropped 20 smart bombs all at once? :D
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Originally posted by Sandman
Hehe... okay smarty... has an aircraft ever dropped 20 smart bombs all at once? :D
If you consider a JDAM smart then yes and the number is closer to 80 ;)
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi-bin/client/modele.pl?prod=24015&session=dae.21887706.1153262983.RL1lh8Oa9dUAABuoPns&modele=jdc_1
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
If you consider a JDAM smart then yes and the number is closer to 80 ;)
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi-bin/client/modele.pl?prod=24015&session=dae.21887706.1153262983.RL1lh8Oa9dUAABuoPns&modele=jdc_1
Wow... that's cool.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Wow... that's cool.
yup!
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What about that new bomb that F-16s carry, the tank buster that shoots out a bunch of discs, and can take out like 75 tanks with a single bomb? I forget what its called, but surely the 22 can carry it, and do the individual discs count as bombs in and of themselfes?
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
F-22a and the FB-22 (if it exists) dont carry regular bombs. They carry special 'small diamater' bombs.
They are asian?
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the body of the plane looks a bit elongated to me, and those bombs have a pretty small diameter,...im gonna have to come down on the side of faked,touched up, or just plane wierd....
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Originally posted by stephen
the body of the plane looks a bit elongated to me, and those bombs have a pretty small diameter,...im gonna have to come down on the side of faked,touched up, or just plane wierd....
Yep, my thoughts too.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
F-22a and the FB-22 (if it exists) dont carry regular bombs. They carry special 'small diamater' bombs.
there are no F-22s, they are F/A-22s. F for fighter and A for attack. like the F/A-18.
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Unless of course it is an F-117.... in which case the F really means B. =)
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Originally posted by Reynolds
What about that new bomb that F-16s carry, the tank buster that shoots out a bunch of discs, and can take out like 75 tanks with a single bomb? I forget what its called, but surely the 22 can carry it, and do the individual discs count as bombs in and of themselfes?
You're thinking of the CBU-97 with BLU-108 bomblets. When released, each CBU-97 releases ten sub-munition dispensers. Each one of those springs out four arms with 4 BLU-108s attached for a total of 40 "skeet" submunitions. Each dispenser fires it's own rocket motor before launching the "skeet." Individual submunitions scan out using IIR imaging cameras to search for a target. Once it finds a target, it fires a forged copper penetrator down through the engine deck. Thus far it has only ever been dropped once, on a column of Iraqi vehicles during the initial invasion. Two CBU-97s obliterated half of the column, causing the remainder to either split or surrender. They are expensive as all hell to use; clocking in at around $400,000 a pop. For reference, a Mk. 82 500lbs bomb costs somewhere between $900-1,200 to acquire. Adding a JDAM kit to that Mk 82 balloons out to $18,000.
Submunitions are bomblets (mini-bombs) and do not individually count towards the aircraft munitions load.
And the F-22 can't carry them. It will be able to haul JDAM and the new SDB once it is placed in production. Beyond that? Forget it. The "F/A" designation throws a lot of people off, making them think the "F/A-22" will have the same ground pounding ability of the F/A-18. Ground attack functions were added to the F-22 as an after-thought. Primarily, it is an air-superiority fighter, not a mud-mover. They may design mod kits permitting increased ordnance options in the future, but for now all that thing can carry is JDAM.
However the F-15E, F-16C/D, B-2, B-52, A-10A and most likely F-35 can haul the CBU-97.
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Flakbait [Delta6]
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Those look way over modeled :rofl
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there are no F-22s, they are F/A-22s. F for fighter and A for attack. like the F/A-18.
I see that you accidently fell into a time machine about a year ago, and just woke up today.
Its F-22, they dropped the F/A.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
I see that you accidently fell into a time machine about a year ago, and just woke up today.
Its F-22, they dropped the F/A.
WHOAH!!!! No need to be so harsh...
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Originally posted by flakbait
You're thinking of the CBU-97 with BLU-108 bomblets. When released, each CBU-97 releases ten sub-munition dispensers. Each one of those springs out four arms with 4 BLU-108s attached for a total of 40 "skeet" submunitions. Each dispenser fires it's own rocket motor before launching the "skeet." Individual submunitions scan out using IIR imaging cameras to search for a target. Once it finds a target, it fires a forged copper penetrator down through the engine deck. Thus far it has only ever been dropped once, on a column of Iraqi vehicles during the initial invasion. Two CBU-97s obliterated half of the column, causing the remainder to either split or surrender. They are expensive as all hell to use; clocking in at around $400,000 a pop. For reference, a Mk. 82 500lbs bomb costs somewhere between $900-1,200 to acquire. Adding a JDAM kit to that Mk 82 balloons out to $18,000.
Submunitions are bomblets (mini-bombs) and do not individually count towards the aircraft munitions load.
And the F-22 can't carry them. It will be able to haul JDAM and the new SDB once it is placed in production. Beyond that? Forget it. The "F/A" designation throws a lot of people off, making them think the "F/A-22" will have the same ground pounding ability of the F/A-18. Ground attack functions were added to the F-22 as an after-thought. Primarily, it is an air-superiority fighter, not a mud-mover. They may design mod kits permitting increased ordnance options in the future, but for now all that thing can carry is JDAM.
However the F-15E, F-16C/D, B-2, B-52, A-10A and most likely F-35 can haul the CBU-97.
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Flakbait [Delta6]
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I posted this about a year ago. Here is a GREAT animation of the BLU-108
http://www.systems.textron.com/videos/530.1-SFW-in-OIF.wmv
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
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Its F-22, they dropped the F/A.
It is referred to as F-22, F/A-22 at Boeing. Both terms are used and both are correct.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
It is referred to as F-22, F/A-22 at Boeing. Both terms are used and both are correct.
actually rip, the USAF is dropping the Attack designator, it's specific designator for the USAF is F-22A. Why they are doing this....I have no Idea, it's a hellof an attack plane.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
actually rip, the USAF is dropping the Attack designator, it's specific designator for the USAF is F-22A. Why they are doing this....I have no Idea, it's a hellof an attack plane.
I was talking within the confines of Boeing and Lockheed. F-22A is also used.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
actually rip, the USAF is dropping the Attack designator, it's specific designator for the USAF is F-22A. Why they are doing this....I have no Idea, it's a hellof an attack plane.
Well... Okay, some other interesting tidbit i saw earlier about the F-117's designation is similar:
F-117: They called it F because when they first asked for it, they had just got the B1. But that wasnt good enough so they wanted another. When they asked congress, congress said "no." So they thought, well, how about a fighter? congress said "sure". So, they named the B-117 the F-117 and congress never realized it wasnt a fighter.
The F-22: The military just wants to be a bit more traditional, and, im sure they are thinking of leaving some loopholes for the future similar to the one that let the F-117 be created.